nubbins`: in fact, our washout booth has a backlit corflute wall
nubbins`: even the dimmest light shines through
nubbins`: oh my god, this is going to be amazing
nubbins`: i'm sure there's a bot in an apple chan somewhere that screams MAGICAL DEVICE! every time someone says "magical"
nubbins`: we actually have some stands left over from a multi-layered glass project that could be useful for holding corflute sheets
nubbins`: this gives me a lot to think about
ozbot: MAGIC FOUNTAIN (Official Video) - Art vs Science - YouTube
nubbins`: that video just spurred an impromptu dance party
mircea_popescu: mod6 how's urbit these days btw ? you been keeping any track ?
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mircea_popescu: lol you're special. people were complaining he ate their comments earlier.
gecko_x2: i trust u all know schneier's history and who he is
gecko_x2: schneier is the original crypto guy in our generation
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gecko_x2: his blog is the original public crypto blog
gecko_x2: the primary enemy of the NSA and the illuminati
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gecko_x2: schneier was involved in smuggling the original PGP source code outside of us borders
gecko_x2: they did it by printing it out on A4's and physically mailing it
gecko_x2: back then the pentagon defined him as enemy of the state
gecko_x2: he later fought off those charges in US courts
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BingoBoingo: Schneier is just the Dude who submits algorithms to NIST competitions and never makes it past second place.
gecko_x2: i trust schneier more than zimm
gecko_x2: the surname zimmerman is jewish
gecko_x2: no jew surname begins with sch
mircea_popescu: gecko_gs2 for the record, schneier was like 17 in 1980.
gecko_x2: damn i need more alcohol and music :D
gecko_x2: now the zionists form the basis of the illuminati
gecko_x2: and the banker system known as the city of london
gecko_x2: and yes, the huge dildo shaped building in london really does represent a penis
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gecko_x2: their latest trick is called 'the shard'
gecko_x2: it represents themselves fucking the ppl in the world in the anus with a broken glass bottle
KRS1: yeah, and the phone company killed kennedy.
gecko_x2: kennedy wanted to introduce debt free money
ozbot: Metallica - Whiskey in the jar - YouTube
KRS1: I think it was Northeastern Bell.
gecko_x2: the shape of a church bell represents the shape of their power structure
gecko_x2: the narrow top, the wide middle part and then the scum of the earth
KRS1: I think it was corporate or maybe one of their subsidiaries. Maybe billing.
gecko_x2: every church you visit on the earth has it's doors shaped in a certain way
gecko_x2: that shape represents the vagina
KRS1: Just had to make a new tinfoil hat. My old one fell apart.
KRS1: this one fits much better.
dub: I've lost count if this guy is trolling or an acutal fruitcake
gecko_x2: you all know how every church door is shaped with the pointy top
gecko_x2: represents the vagina and the clit
KRS1: he's got a lot of energy, he was talking all this jazz when i left the office at 4:30
gecko_x2: that's why men used to leave all their weapons outside
KRS1: just don't mention Finland.
gecko_x2: you go to any capital on this planet
gecko_x2: look up the biggest building there is
gecko_x2: ofcourse, you have to know the etymology of the word 'bank'
gecko_x2: do you know where that comes from?
dub: let me guess, if its made of concrete and steel its secretly a bank
gecko_x2: before humanity knew of that word, all 'banks' were called credit anzthalt'
mircea_popescu: dub same root as bankruptcy, italian (lombard) middle ages.
gecko_x2: but that word was born in london england
gecko_x2: where they figured out that it's useful to build your gold deposit house on top of a hill
gecko_x2: because it was easier to fend off the ppl rushing to the place once they realized that they had issued much more receits for the gold than there actually was gold
gecko_x2: building the vault on a 'bank' or a hill was a good idea because it slowed the ppl down, and made it easier to push them down with sharp sticks
mircea_popescu: no dood. banca yielded banque in french, and either or both of these yielded bank in english
gecko_x2: all 'official' stuff u learn in school is a lie
gecko_x2: the word bank comes from the bank of england
gecko_x2: which was the first gold vault to be built upon a hill
gecko_x2: to make it easier to fend off the people
KRS1: idk we just some dumb bitcoin monkeys what do we know
mircea_popescu: so what's the alternative etymology fior bankruptcy then ?
gecko_x2: there is a even more interesting etymology that ties into this
mircea_popescu: gecko_gs2 you ever been in the old bank of england building ?
gecko_x2: if you want to know, or should i stfu?
dub: if you fold up the bank does it look like twin towers?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck it actually was, it's close enough to the thames.
gecko_x2: but i'm no expert.. i just like etymology
gecko_x2: and i really like to know the TRUE reason for things
gecko_x2: which is not the same as you are thought through these school books
gecko_x2: what was that main publisher again
mircea_popescu: but you know, some proposed reason doersn't become true just because it contradicts the common answer.
dub: dood it becomes true when alx jones screams it
gecko_x2: dun remember, anyways check the back's of every school book published in the west
gecko_x2: and it will lead you back to the illuminati
gecko_x2: but aj is right in his own way
gecko_x2: and wellin & göös or something
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gecko_x2: every school book in the north
dub: for the love of god, shut the fuck up
dub: and preferably kill yourself immediately
Vexual: do the spears msut be spharp?
Vexual: and thats why we have skyscrapers
ozbot: Ratt- Dance - YouTube
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion of putting a bank uphill is silly... all the customers'd get tired hauling all the gold
KRS1: Anyone here know anything about trading gold
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gecko_x2: the origins of fractional reserves stems from the gold receits in amsterdam
gecko_x2: where the ppl stored their gold in a safe vault for a receit
gecko_x2: later they noticed that periodically there was always a bank run
gecko_x2: when the ppl noticed that there were way more receits than there could ever be gold
gecko_x2: and so they built the bank vault on a hill to slow the ppl down once they came running
Vexual: theres no hills in amsterdam
mod6: probably eaten by a grue.
mod6: or got his dick stuck in an iceberg.
gecko_x2: "The Bank's headquarters have been in London's main financial district, the City of London, on Threadneedle Street, since 1734. It is sometimes known by the metonym The Old Lady of Threadneedle Street or The Old Lady, a name taken from the legend of Sarah Whitehead, whose ghost is said to haunt the Bank's garden.[12] The busy road junction outside is known as Bank junction."
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, all finn chicks i ever met were pretty hot and kinda slutty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure it was a sa op and got neatly closed.
dub: isnt there like 9 chicks to every dude
gecko_x2: "When the idea and reality of the National Debt came about during the 18th century this was also managed by the Bank. By the charter renewal in 1781 it was also the bankers' bank – keeping enough gold to pay its notes on demand until 26 February 1797 when war had so diminished gold reserves that the government prohibited the Bank from paying out in gold. This prohibition lasted until
mod6: huh, well that seems like a saving grace.
mircea_popescu: gecko_gs2 no, actually, it weas much earlier. the 1711 south sea bubble was a mostly failed attempt to finance the english natl debt with paper.
mircea_popescu: there had been a natl debt since there was a nation. everywhere.
gecko_x2: only storing gold carries debt
gecko_x2: and storing it.. they tried with holes foro ages
gecko_x2: until they realized a bank was much better than a hole
gecko_x2: because when the ppl come storming, you dont want to sit in a hole
nubbins`: exchanging bitcoins in the lobby
Vexual: id rather be in a hole
nubbins`: does the hole have pens you can use?
gecko_x2: i don't know if any of you know that 'the city' really means
gecko_x2: are you aware that today the city has their own police force, their own army, their own justice system and their own judges?
gecko_x2: if you take a trip to london tomorrow
gecko_x2: and do something to get arrested
gecko_x2: the police that arrest you will carry guns
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gecko_x2: which the rest of the english police do not
nubbins`: police not carrying guns is sort of the exception
gecko_x2: because they are a separate police force from a separate legal juridistiction
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gecko_x2: you need to be aware of this shit my friends
gecko_x2: the city has their own army too
gecko_x2: the rest of england's secret service is called MI6
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nubbins`: "We’re police officers without the salary, the title and the gun."
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gecko_x2: in bond movies they are always referring to MI6
gecko_x2: you need to learn your fucking history
dub: I guess that means no, how much bitcion would it take to have you sterilised?
dub: seriously, the genome is broken enough without you polluting it further
dub: have you considered homosexuality?
gecko_x2: do we have a change agent here?
Vexual: he makes a good point tho
KRS1: just shh vexual dont get him started again
KRS1: the IQ of this channel went down about 30
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Vexual: id think he will have confused himself into unconciousness soon
gecko_x2: "financial institution," late 15c., from either Old Italian banca or Middle French banque (itself from the Italian word), both meaning "table" (the notion is of the moneylender's exchange table), from a Germanic source (cf. Old High German bank "bench"); see bank (n.2)."
gecko_x2: "Bank holiday is from 1871, though the tradition is as old as the Bank of England. To cry all the way to the bank was coined 1956 by flamboyant pianist Liberace, after a Madison Square Garden concert that was packed with patrons but panned by critics."
gecko_x2: "earthen incline, edge of a river," c.1200, probably in Old English but not attested in surviving documents, from a Scandinavian source such as Old Norse banki, Old Danish banke "sandbank," from Proto-Germanic *bangkon "slope," cognate with *bankiz "shelf" (see bench (n.))."
gecko_x2: "to act as a banker," 1727, from bank (n.1). As "to deposit in a bank" from 1833. Figurative sense of "to rely on" (i.e. "to put money on") is from 1884, U.S. colloquial. Meaning "to ascend," as of an incline, is from 1892. In aeronautics, from 1911. Related: Banked; banking."
dub: he's gone full retard
gecko_x2: "Meaning "to ascend," as of an incline"
gecko_x2: Old English benc "long seat," from Proto-Germanic *bankiz "bank of earth," perhaps here "man-made earthwork," later "bench, table" (cf. Old Frisian bank "bench," Old Norse bekkr, Danish bænk, Middle Dutch banc, Old High German banch), from PIE root *bheg- "to break." Used for "office of a judge" since late 13c. Sporting sense "reserve of players" (in baseball, North American football,
gecko_x2: etc.) is by 1909, from literal sense of place where players sit when not in action (by 1889).
gecko_x2: "to take out of the game," 1902, from bench (n.) in the sporting sense. Related: Benched; benching. Old English also had a verb form, but it meant "to make benches."
gecko_x2: Old English beddian "to provide with a bed or lodgings," from bed (n.). From c.1300 as "to go to bed," also "to copulate with, to go to bed with;" 1440 as "to lay out (land) in plots or beds." Related: Bedded; bedding."
gecko_x2: Old English bedd "bed, couch, resting place, garden plot," from Proto-Germanic *badjam "sleeping place dug in the ground" (cf. Old Frisian, Old Saxon bed, Middle Dutch bedde, Old Norse beðr, Old High German betti, German Bett, Gothic badi "bed"), from PIE root *bhedh- "to dig, pierce" (cf. Hittite beda- "to pierce, prick," Greek bothyros "pit," Latin fossa "ditch," Lithuanian bedre
gecko_x2: "to dig," Breton bez "grave"). Both "sleeping" and "gardening" senses are in Old English. Meaning "bottom of a lake, sea, watercourse" is from 1580s.
KRS1: good god are you trying to fill up the logs or something
KRS1: u might be more annoying than that other gecko from the insurance commercials.
KRS1: not entertaining in the least bit.
gecko_x2: the best tv action serie evar.
ozbot: CBC stories on leaked report 'irresponsible': minister - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
adis99: hey can we remove password on the new bet?
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin will drop back below $150 before end of 2013
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BingoBoingo: adis99: It seems essentially by publishing the password.
nubbins`: man, i just watched the video from that cbc article and it's making my brain hurt
BingoBoingo: adis99: Do you have a better place to publish it?
adis99: well i didnt mean to make it private ;)
adis99: i dont mind if its unlocked or password published
BingoBoingo: adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces.
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adis99: so you guys think Bitcoin price will go below 150 USD or not?
gecko_x2: the mere fact that you ask this question practically guarantees the outcome
adis99: well let me specify, by the end of this year?
gecko_x2: and when it gores there, what will 150 mean?
gecko_x2: but then again, if that happens
adis99: it that happens i win bet
gecko_x2: in this life, everything you think will happen will happen
gecko_x2: because you are the life itself
adis99: i see, sounds like you a a philosopher ;)
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gecko_x2: no i just hate the illuminist black magicians
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KRS1: dude go to #illuminati or something
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BingoBoingo: TheSeven: How is Amazing Labcoin Amazing along on Cryptostocks?
Kleeck_: How do I phuct the phuctor?
BingoBoingo: Kleeck_: First or Fist you have a GPG public key you paste into
http://nosuchlabs.com then you bookmark it and return to check it periodically, and so the Phuctor works.
Kleeck_: Why do I care about Phuctor?
Kleeck_: aside from the awesome name?
BingoBoingo: Kleeck_: Because it offers a service that was wanted.I tells you if public keys were obviously weak. It is amazingly more valuable to test your correspondents keys than your own since encryption depends on theirs anyway.
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ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: idea is to make it look sort of similar to an old-style bearer bond
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Maybe keep the GPG signed contracts in their native file format?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: this is more for show than anything
nubbins`: this would be silkscreened onto nice 100% cotton paper
nubbins`: skeuomorphism at its finest :P
BingoBoingo: Beautiful nubbins` but generally cotton paper of archival quality is paired with ink to last rather than color to look good
nubbins`: i know, this is what i do for a living ;)
BingoBoingo: Silkscreening paper kind of sucks generally too.
nubbins`: you can silkscreen on any sort of paper. we use acid-free archival rag
nubbins`: speedball products, these are not :)
Vexual: are those hops leaves at the top?
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ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i wouldn't mind adding some of those spirograph-style curvy lines
Vexual: to me that is, im not offering some alternate history of the world
nubbins`: fun fact, hops and cannabis are members of the same family
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Vexual: i am aware of that fun fact
Vexual: only two known members of cannabe or whathaveyou
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Vexual: i wonder if it was an ice age divergence? one being cold climate and one warm
nubbins`: who knows? interesting how they both ended up being enjoyed as intoxicants
Vexual: and vikinings tended to prefer ale where chinese preferred weed
Vexual: theres some symbiotic epigenetic unknown stuff happening there
nubbins`: i watched a documentary a while back that was about apples, tulips and weed
nubbins`: on the surface, not much in common
Vexual: all been influenced by man?
nubbins`: but all have successfully spread from one small geographic area across the globe, because of their relationship to humans
ozbot: Botany of Desire | Watch Online | PBS Video
Vexual: genetic engineering of plants has done much less than so many generations of selective breeding
Vexual: thats not to say new gene slpicing tools arent exciting
nubbins`: no, but the varieties that were around before genetic engineering could be said to have so far withstood the test of time, which isn't a trivial test
nubbins`: engineered varieties, who knows?
BingoBoingo: The only think more boring than watching grass grow just might be watching plants fuck.
nubbins`: i mean, it was what, a year ago? two? that it was suddenly announced "lel, whoops, BPA gives you cancer"
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nubbins`: when the "lel, whoops" has the ability to grow beyond a certain scope, it becomes much less of an attractive option, in my mind
nubbins`: which is why i'm cautious about my optimism towards engineering
nubbins`: or any number of things. lel, whoops, 30,000kg of hamburger meat recalled because we contaminated it with e. coli!
Vexual: dna is a tricky machine
Vexual: probably the coolest too
nubbins`: it's pure hubris to assume you can fully understand the results of manipulating such a complex thing
Vexual: im out of touch with current tools for mapping genes
nubbins`: it's been so long since i even touched up on the basics, all i have left now are opinions :P
Vexual: ive got half a memory of some cool shit happening that ive blocked to avoid becoming a mad scientist
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Vexual: i remember now, theres on open source software package where you can create dna with object oriented visual language
Vexual: and you can get it printed
Vexual: i think they check its not airbourne swineflu or whatever
Vexual: too many splices gets very expensive if memory serves
Vexual: its loaded with a lot of known outcomes i think
Vexual: yeah genetics is still going places, people forget
Vexual: ive sent my dna to every lab in the us
mircea_popescu: of course it could not really be made into a real bearer bond...
Vexual: apparently im susceptable to alcoholism
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, it came as a cardano. in which case it COULD be a bearer instrument
nubbins`: Vexual: now you can't hash the result and use it as a brainwallet to store all your funds.
nubbins`: home sequencing is the way to go ;p
Vexual: they're out there now tho
Vexual: at least i have plausable deniability
nubbins`: "overall, i turned my life around"
nubbins`: i feel like there's a pun hiding in the last picture, but i can't quite find it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: more of a fancy paper wallet than anything. cardanos as bearer bonds is an interesting idea though
Vexual: hey mp, if i start a genetics lab that does splices for btc, can i float for free on mpes?
Vexual: it will be an ongoing concern from the outset, repleat with bespectacled korean hotties
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Vexual: ithe ipo money would be to install a manager and lab the fuck out of that shit
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BingoBoingo: I can't believe I haven't though of abusing Cardanos into bearer bonds yet.
Vexual: maybe put a petent lawyer on the books
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Vexual: i just saw a gecko hiding behind my toilet cistern, hows that for imagry?
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Vexual: a crazy psychiatris wrote a long book, and a normal human is expected to see a penis where a skyscraper is?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Lawyers aren't that worth that much or I would have hired one without a drive through for their office.
Vexual: patent lawyers are gold bullion
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure Vexual, I mean we are all pink on the inside...
Vexual: true enough, and time marches on
Vexual: as the finance experts will tell you
Vexual: and most is what is true of dollars is true of bitcoin
Vexual: bitcoin is still in the real of philosiphers
Vexual: you can copy paste something from wikipedia, or imagine it through the eyes of your favourite ancient author
Vexual: but money talks and bullshit walks, as willful man will tell
Vexual: for those who are unfamiliar with the internation, ill give you this piece
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Vexual: ive rode a wild bull round round a yard to win a five pound bet
Vexual: but this is sure the derndest ride that ive encountered yet
Vexual: ill give that two wheeled outlaw best, it's shaken all my nerve
Vexual: To feel it whistle through the air and plunge and buck and swerve
Vexual: but what ill sit while hide will hold and girths and straps are tight
Vexual: i'll ride this here two wheeled concern right straight away at sight
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ozbot: Damian "Jr Gong" Marley - Old War Chant (Mr. Marley) - YouTube
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Vexual: i just got an unusual sign of regression
Vexual: but i doubt its related to the bitcoin dollar price
Vexual: it was a bird i havent seen for a year
Vexual: then she took off on black and white wings
ozbot: Afroman - Hungry Hustler - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Bitcoin Dollar price will be irrelevant in not less than a year. Before long the importance will reverse.
Vexual: thats why i have no idea how to sell
Vexual: ill wait til i can buy something i want
BigBitz: I will buy your coin from you :)
Vexual: you got a large parcel of fruitful land?
ozbot: Black Sabbath - Paranoid(1970 - Music Video) - YouTube
Vexual: if its usd, you can save your keyboard strokes
Vexual: fuck off with your fake money
Vexual: no really im not selling
Vexual: im looking for some nice acres, anywhere
BigBitz: you must have a lot of bitcoin :)
Vexual: 2 bitcoin will buy a nice acxre in 10 years
Vexual: more billion humans gonna want more food
Vexual: life gets cheaper, prices get steeper, that s the future boys
BingoBoingo: I'll be honest. I would part with some coin soon for a Dodge Stealth in decent condition.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The thing is I'd have to find the sort of redneck who has both a Dodge Stealth to sell and an awareness of what Bitcoin is.
ozbot: The Black Eyed Peas - Weekend ft. Esthero - YouTube
Vexual: nice cars are tempting, but they dont make income aunless one is a limo driver
Vexual: im not rich enough to spend 30k on 4 wheels
Vexual: i like to keep a car with no ecu in case of emp
Vexual: also incase real style is required
Vexual: buy an old 70's mustang and make it nice with extra money you stupid american fuck
Vexual: a two door 70s ford is no less than 50 in australia
ozbot: Mad Max chase - YouTube
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 492 @ 0.00114889 = 0.5653 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62982726 = 6.9281 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00565657 = 0.5939 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17236 @ 0.00014718 = 2.5368 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00084324 = 2.6562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 95 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1031 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC [+]
ozbot: Time to let the cat out of the hat. : SilkroadUNcensored
jurov: another lulzy piece how proactive is btc community toward scammers, silkroad edition
davout: jurov: scam hunting is good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1085 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: What was even more interesting, was that the notice used a high quality logo unable to be found by anyone else despite an hour of searching, until a random user popped in and said I found it in 2 minutes by using Google. No, you did not. I spent 30 minutes staring at Google images, and I found nothing.
mircea_popescu: funny how the dork mind works. "i can't do shit therefore shit can't be done stop lying to me!!11"
davout: "His nose is constantly being edited." --> the jews, always the jews
mircea_popescu: "The mouth which comes from this photo is one shameful mistake." whay ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "wrong guy" suspicions aren't entirely without merit, even if reddit makes a typically redditarded soup out of it.
mircea_popescu: "The FBI has not made a single official comment via any of their press channels. The FBI media relations team has updated nearly every day before" ahahah forum mentality, i think the government is a scam because it hasn't posted in the thread for a week!!1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 258 @ 0.00108 = 0.2786 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: is bitkoins.com really the #1 Bitcoin news and forum site
mircea_popescu: godaddy domain Registered OnMarch 30, 2013. so it has to be.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62998 = 1.26 BTC [+]
KRS1: never heard of it heh
krlbrgmn: mircea_popescu can you please give more hints?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083981 = 4.535 BTC [-]
KRS1: you might have to ask him for a complimentary Trilema subscription, there are hints in there from time to time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084216 = 1.8949 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: ...I accept nothing. - Imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084287 = 2.36 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces. << mod just forgot private bets need 10btc in zeroconf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00566 = 0.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 358 @ 0.002 = 0.716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3247 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00084452 = 1.0979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083917 = 4.5315 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
kakobrekla: you know, i wouldnt have to be reposting if the idiots wouldnt be deleting.
davout: being banned from the forums sounds like a promotion!
kleeck: Yeah... reposting. SO HARD. SO NOBLE.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 5405 BTC profit, 59.2k BTC invested, 197.69 mio bets, 4.24 mio BTC wagered
kakobrekla: deleting a scam accusation makes the deleter an accomplice/shill
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6101 = 6.101 BTC [-]
samson_: I see Cryptsy.com is offering 100,000 shares (20% of company) on cryptostocks.com in an IPO with no expiry date for 0.05 BTC each - listed yesterday by the looks of it
pankkake: altcoins dying? time to sell the company!
VanCleef: i only invest in PIF and Amythest
samson_: Apparently they are going to apply for licensing so they can sell coins for USD
pankkake: and they value themselves at 25000 BTC, sure :)
samson_: never mind the alts - it's a way into BTC
samson_: Well that's the issue - it looks a bit overpriced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00566001 = 0.5094 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I don't even see how they are going to complete raising 5000 BTC
pankkake: worst of all, why aren't they using their own websites to sell the shares?
samson_: I would normally buy some as the value would probably go up anyway but with no end date listed for the IPO price they might not sell all 100,000 and that would fix the price
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the part where most bitcoin people seem to fail the most is company/assets valuation
samson_: I bought some ASICMINER shares just over a year ago, that was the last time I invested in any assets - that wasn't so bad
ozbot: "I Support an Orwellian Police State in America" - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00084452 = 2.4913 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.604975 = 24.199 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 296 @ 0.00565845 = 1.6749 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00553028 = 0.8351 BTC [-] {9}
taub: btcn more volume than gox and bitstamp last 24h !
taub: are chinamen pushing the price ralley?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.594304 = 5.943 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: samson_ you know tjhe story of the fraudulent ipo of cryptostocks itself righ ?
kleeck: Chinese Government is pushing BTC to destablize the USD further and have stronger grounds to push BRIC away from the USD.
mircea_popescu: well basically the guy made an ipo of his own site, which included a hefty licensing fee to be paid to himself
mircea_popescu: the deal got altered after the ipo so as to vacuum most value from the supposed "investors"
mircea_popescu: provided kakobrekla didn't delete all the posts meanwhile, of course.
mircea_popescu: kleeck yeah, totally, bric needs more reasons to move away from usd. the chinese also summoned the us ambasador in paris, i bet.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's a joke, kakobrekla was complaining above he got banned for reposting deleted posts.
mircea_popescu: obviously it'd be the forum administration deleting old smoking gun posts, not kakobrekla
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00545598 = 0.3656 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC]
kakobrekla: its still there, the 3rd version of it or whatever.
kakobrekla: but badbear felt butthurt when i pmed him
kakobrekla: that i know that he is trying to push ban for me
kakobrekla: the info that he is pushing ban for me in the staff department forum
kakobrekla: 4. garr cries over my pm to leave britney alone
kakobrekla: 7. i get info who is deleting and trying to ban me
mircea_popescu: i don't think you;'re getting banned here for expliciting it.
kakobrekla: 8. i pm that douchebag that he should stop deleting to stop reposts
kakobrekla: drama continiues in the mod department
kakobrekla: some stuff i guess is "the slander of garr"
kakobrekla: im just having some morning coffee forum fun
davout: i can confirm that the butthurt level rose in the mod sections
jcpham: i can confirm i've never used btctalk in the sense of this conversation
Apocalyptic: davout, you still do btc-central's btc withdrawal manually ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares anyway, not like that cryptowhatever is doing anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00084452 = 0.8867 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Terrifying Search Engine That Finds Internet-Connected Cameras, Traffic Lights, Medical Devices,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00083849 = 3.6097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2812 @ 0.00084278 = 2.3699 BTC [+]
dexX7: i assume you don't do 100x am100 -> am1 conversions?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.30515, Best ask: 215.76366, Bid-ask spread: 2.45851, Last trade: 215.76433, 24 hour volume: 27047.04154481, 24 hour low: 198.51000, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 207.62934
benkay: "None of us, none of the people in that room want to just accept these kinds of conditions written in a top-down fashion by the Foundation that is effectively today a US foundation."
ozbot: Bitcoin in Israel: Interview with Meni Rosenfeld and Ron Gross, Part 2 – Bitcoin Magazine
benkay: tee hee us bitcoin "foundation" rejected like a tryhard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.627 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you mean nobody cares about yet another group of posers ?! but who could have imagiend this!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1145 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bitfunder - no reason for a fire sale
ozbot: Assessing The State Of PGP Keys With Phuctor | Mike the Crypto Goat
dexX7: "the latter guy is uh, infamous in the bitcoin world" :D
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.57751099 = 28.8755 BTC [-] {9}
pankkake: I'm not sure central bank governor is a good title. sounds like scammer mafia boss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00083662 = 2.8863 BTC [-]
ozbot: SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 115 @ 0.0011487 = 0.1321 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it will turn "salami" scams, where small amounts are defrauded from investors, into the new normal,"
deadweasel: "This is not a good day for financially unsophisticated investors who will be targeted unrelentingly by stock promoters."
deadweasel: small time is easier. many more, harder to regulate, etc.
mircea_popescu: measure has its downsides, definitely. also kind of unavoidable.
deadweasel: crowdfunding americans are going to lose their shirts.
deadweasel: in general, we are exceedingly ignorant.
mircea_popescu: you mean the borrowed shirts they currently wear ? or what "their" ?
deadweasel: yes, we are wearing china's old t-shirts.
deadweasel: because sweatshop kids wore them first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114852 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: hopefully, they will learn something and teach their kids and grandkids how to not be defrauded. but it's more likely they get drunk and beat them instead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.00114987 = 0.4025 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: well, kickstarter shows americans are happy to lose their money already :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00114989 = 0.23 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114989 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00545 = 0.3815 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i mean... that in bitcoin crazy lalaland people like that scam whose name escapes me now take pride in 80% return rates is onme thing. but mainstream ? just wow.
ozbot: No Accountability: Board Game Creator Cans $123K Kickstarter Project
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1295 @ 0.00083584 = 1.0824 BTC [-]
benkay: but mircea people are basically good
benkay: and make smart investments
Apocalyptic: they male smart investments until one day they don't...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00083508 = 4.0919 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 31.67198172 BTC to 8`451 shares, 374772 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.380015 = 3.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2458 @ 0.00114989 = 2.8264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3385 @ 0.00083169 = 2.8153 BTC [-]
ozbot: UPDATED SHIPPING NEWS | HashFast Technologies
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00083662 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ;;seen #bitcoin-assets thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian
mod6: wow. GTAV or a women has him pinned down.
phungus: he's been absent from BitVPS as well
phungus: I think he's been overwhelmed by life recently
mod6: is it looking for a home still?
phungus: BitVPS == homeless as far as a share exchange goes
phungus: MPEX should offer us a sweet deal to re-list... hint hint
nubbins`: "I wonder whether one of the team should contact one of the keyservers and request a dump of their database. "
phungus: a $6500 fee to join an exchange is a little excessive though and I'm not sure but that might be a show-stopper right there
phungus: we only got delisted because rg sold the corp to us and didn't tell anyone which broke the exchange rules
mod6: i rememeber vividly.
phungus: we're even more solid today than we were then tho
phungus: and have been profitable the whole year
ozbot: [CRYPTOAVE.com] New BTC/DGC exchange IPO
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
phungus: a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing
nubbins`: phungus: no, but it would help for people buying/selling
nubbins`: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1dcbd21828071f2ba4842d8ccd3869b43616b165010a4fef2c4aa785
gribble: You are now authenticated for user nubbins` with key CF2950F23C844002
nubbins`: it's 30 btc even if you're listing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2145 @ 0.00063999 = 1.3728 BTC [+]
mod6: you'd have to discuss listing with mp. and if bitvps was relisted, im pretty sure that at least the ceo/cfo would need to have an acct @ mpex to pay divs etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 851 @ 0.0011499 = 0.9786 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000235 = 1.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3158 @ 0.00115224 = 3.6388 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: even if the divs can be paid through a broker, i suppose that whatever float retained by the owners would need to be held somewhere, requiring an account.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.000648 = 3.24 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00083658 = 3.4844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 13.32992160 BTC to 374`436 shares, 3560 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 167 @ 0.001155 = 0.1929 BTC [+]
mod6: if you're angla merkel, would you believe obama when he says that he's not motitoring your phone calls?
deadweasel: you believe whatever he tells you to believe.
kleeck: I just read this gem of an article. Here's a very apt quote.
kleeck: "Crowdfunding today is rife with examples of consumers donating money to entrepreneurs, only for those people to take the money without ever producing the product or service that was pitched."
ozbot: SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00083658 = 5.8853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00083662 = 0.3472 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and no, the recent spying scandals have cost the us in europe more than what clinton has managed to build.
mod6: maybe merkel needs to fool 'em with some phonograph whitenoise records.
mod6: i wouldn't believe a goddamn word these guys say, they've always got their fingers crossed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.32353353 = 9.706 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: actually there's some talk of the eu making its own sigint and ditching nato
mod6: they certainly should.
mircea_popescu: except in this field the eu has more money and more human capital.
mircea_popescu: why, even last year the us could get away with kidnapping the future president of france.
mircea_popescu: im telling you, a lot has changed in the past ~6 months, and a lot in tjhe past 6 days.
mircea_popescu: the yurpeans are romantics, they've not killed a spy since forever.
mod6: mara hati was the last?
mircea_popescu: what's this, infantry engagement ? spying is about information not killing people
mircea_popescu: mod6 mata hari was supposed to die in her bed, except they couldn't find it, so they did the next best thing :
mircea_popescu: rivkin's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, the us has managed to drive itself into this narrow ally where practically speaking china is it's closest ally.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad state of affairs when a man can't really find a friend past his creditors.
mod6: true enough, you reap what you sow.
mod6: im paranoid enough as an american. they've got everyone on tap. if i was a forign int service, gov or private citizen, i'd boycott all us software, and rebuild.
mod6: no reason to use the stuff that comes with backdoors from these savages.
mod6: the nsa twisting nipples in enc algos and prngs is scary though. that stuff gets widespread.
mod6: not a lot of people can determine if its been diddled with or not
mod6: what was the one we were talking about most recently? the ECC backdoor?
mircea_popescu: maybe someone brings good quality hardware rngs to the masses.
mod6: when that day comes, it'll be a great day for personal and ditital liberty.
KRS1-: doesn't their filtering/diddling cause a delay with time sensitive synchronization
mircea_popescu: well, actually, randomness is not a property of numbers. it's a property of processes.
mod6: thats the problem with hardware prng's, they can always be tampered with
nubbins`: haha, the color of bits re: 4'33
mircea_popescu: "random number" really shuld be "number obtained randomly"
nubbins`: that's some seriously christian-based logic right there
jcpham: christians are always right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.14288989 = 2.1433 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: i mean when you take communion, you are, in the view of the church, literally eating the body of christ
nubbins`: now, it looks and acts like a plain unleavened wafer
nubbins`: and put into the context of 4'33 in the article asciilifeform linked
nubbins`: "this string of zeroes isn't 4'33, but THIS string of zeroes *is*"
nubbins`: i didn't get more than a couple paragraphs into that article
nubbins`: and then i went off on a tangent
mircea_popescu: it's one of those rare bits written by a competent translator, ie, one who has solid familiarity in two different fields.
nubbins`: hm, i wonder if a contact mic would be useful in the context of RNGs
nubbins`: they're really small, and really cheap
mircea_popescu: for some values of useful. i prefer them to avalanche processes, but they have to be well filtered
nubbins`: maybe more suitable in a battery-operated device
nubbins`: on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need
nubbins`: but i don't think it's quite that straight-forward
nubbins`: these things are incredibly sensitive though
nubbins`: well. incredibly sensitive to touch, incredibly insensitive to regular sources of sound
nubbins`: you can put one inside your mouth and scream, and it'll barely register
nubbins`: or you can rub a feather against it, and deafen yourself
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need << o no, not at all. you can't use such low bits.
nubbins`: any amplifier would introduce its own brand of consistency to the signal, &c &c
mircea_popescu: what you do is you put up a mic and sample it at 0.00000001 hz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00083312 = 5.2903 BTC [-]
nubbins`: noise from contact mic fed into a non-linear equation as an input variable?
dub: is it still going to be random if I control input into the mic? because its trvial to do that remotely
nubbins`: i've got one in my hand right now
dub: I'd need to be a bit nearer to you but its doable
nubbins`: they're almost completely insensitive to air vibrations. you'd need to have it in your hand
dub: all you need is a radio and an amp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00083312 = 2.4994 BTC [-]
nubbins`: yeah, what i'm saying is that you'd deafen me before the contact mic would pick up the audio from my stereo
nubbins`: literally, i'd be dead with blood coming out of my ears
dub: you're wrong but keep talking
nubbins`: contact mics are orders of magnitude more sensitive to touch vibration than air vibration
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the interraction happens through em not airwaves.
dub: 20 years ago we could modulate an RF signal such that your skull would resonate a recognisable signal you would hear inside your head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00083776 = 7.1628 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if you make it a webservice this'll be a great group activity at april conference.
mircea_popescu: get everyone drunk, person with worst score picks up the tab
nubbins`: hm. well, i guess if i was onto something here, it would've been figured out ages ago
mircea_popescu: "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
mircea_popescu: dude wrote an article a decade ago, which saw 100bn page loads and 34 comments.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9116 @ 0.0008392 = 7.6501 BTC [+] {2}
dub: he should fartscroll.js it
pankkake: could a vacuum tube be used as an entropy source?
mircea_popescu: basically you put a diode into backwards mode and count the electrons that make it past the barrier
b0n1: is it profitable trading gold in china?
b0n1: meaning to ship it out and sell it on for example european market
b0n1: anyone a source or a clue?
pankkake: I like vacuum tubes for the looks basically :p I'd buy that kind of random number generator
mircea_popescu: b0n1 no. china is a net importer, and because of govt pressure consumer gold is even more expensive
pankkake: don't you have to smugle it? or it's india
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topace: do the coinabul peeps every lurk on irc these days ?
nubbins`: pankkake: plus you could be all badass walking into the music store
b0n1: what is a good chinese commodity for taking out and selling elsewhere more expensive
b0n1: jade? is there actually a market for jade in europe?
mircea_popescu: also, tshirts, electronic appliances of all kinds, small plastic toys
mod6: pankkake: seems like india has import controls, something like 15% tax on gold import
b0n1: well but there are certainly high market entry barriers, right? Maybe you need licences that are difficult to get?
mircea_popescu: basically you need to sign an agreement that if you steal their money they'll kill you with knives.
mircea_popescu: think of dealing with the mob, it's how china handles its export business.
pankkake: nubbins`: exactly, and I already have tubes for my amp anyway ;)
nubbins`: i'm picturing a Hiwatt with a built-in RNG
mircea_popescu: but speaking of gold, anyone saw the 2mn oz paper sale on the 11th ?
nubbins`: "5-level eq, all tubes, sub-harmonic generator, and here's a usb port"
b0n1: do you have to pay tax on gold in china?
coingenuity: you pay your 'tax' in the form of price-fixes by the government, which is the only authority allowed to sell/buy
coingenuity: you can bribe them and get an export authorization, or so i hear
b0n1: shadow banking system?
mircea_popescu: yes, all hail b0n1, the new black gold market czar of china
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, china buys 100-150 tons a month. thanks to the jpm&co keeping the price low with their derivative trades,
b0n1: coingenuity, is it difficult to get the export authorization?
mircea_popescu: start by getting the job of chinese foreign trade minister
b0n1: coingenuity, what do you think of jade?
b0n1: or as mircea_popescu said any textile stuff. you could just go to a trading company that ship the stuff always straight to europe
nubbins`: b0n1: curious to know what you're getting at here
mircea_popescu: yes yes. if you have a good opportunity they'll provide you goods. learn chinese, go hang out there fgor a year. it's a living.
mircea_popescu: not quite as good a living as it was in 1993, but anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0057 = 0.1995 BTC [-]
b0n1: nubbins`, maybe some cool sources to read a bit about that
b0n1: good forums or stuff... cant find any good source
nubbins`: i meant, why are you so interested in exporting a good from chins
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.80016, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.19984, Last trade: 221.80016, 24 hour volume: 37045.60898872, 24 hour low: 199.60000, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 211.91772
nubbins`: ^ that's getting a bit ridiculous
b0n1: nubbins`, because i think there is great potential after the opening
nubbins`: i'm having trouble deciding how greedy to be
mod6: kakobrekla: what does the x axis rep? im cornfused.
mircea_popescu: on top of everything else however, like tech obsolesncence etc, the independent miners now also have the problem of dealing with people who mine for political rather than economic reasons
mod6: kakobrekla: i can't figure how those numbers are linear though
nubbins`: anyway, the dilemma is that if i sell this stack of btc now, i could lose out on potential gains if the trend continues to rise
☟︎ kakobrekla: its a copla of years chars since its started to chart
nubbins`: but if i sit on them with the expectation that the trend continues, i risk losing out on potential gains as well
nubbins`: and so i'm left trying to decide just how greedy i am
mod6: oh because { 26.x, 27.x, 28.x, 27.x, 26.x ...} etc
mod6: oh thats the date, not the month. got it.
nubbins`: well, that makes more sense now
nubbins`: you just said two opposite things
ozbot: Signature Thursday: How strong is yours? | Bingo Blog
deadweasel: yes, wake up, the price is actually $33/btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.31000087 = 2.48 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: well, there are plenty of judges that won't accept emailed documents but will accept faxes
nubbins`: not necessarily the most eager to embrace technology
nubbins`: anyway, i gotta go prep for a zine workshop. peace
mircea_popescu: yeah, but suppose it becomes law tomorrow that should your signature be forged, you're responsible as if you had signed.
mircea_popescu: part of a larger obama responsibility reform package, that also includes a rule that if your computer is hacked and sends spam, you're fined
mircea_popescu: (half of which going to the party that reports the spam, of course)
ozbot: Roger Hodgson - Dreamer [Live] - YouTube
mod6: only a matter of time until a party collects keys and then spams people to generate rev.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2662 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2503 BTC [+]
mod6: (if that should happen)
mod6: <dude> Your Honor, I swear I never sent those emails. <Judge> Sorry son, this spam has your key sig.
mircea_popescu: most of spam floating about today is traceable to clueless "businesses"
mircea_popescu: that run poorly secured, windows computers on the network
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57300014 = 1.719 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: consider : Subject: This Company Announced News Today From: frank@altimayachts.com
mircea_popescu: "Altima Yachts, Inc was founded out of a desire by our founder, Frank Sciortino, to produce the finest cruising yacht possible at a reasonable investment level."
pankkake: so running windows is now a crime in the US? at least government intervention does something positive!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00084594 = 6.8411 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ah the sweet day when im tyrant and everyone who ever worked for microsoft is permanently in jail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055432 = 0.2772 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1713 @ 0.00084719 = 1.4512 BTC [+]
ozbot: New device stores electricity on silicon chips | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt Universi
ozbot: Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust on Bloomberg
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.01112, Best ask: 223.79500, Bid-ask spread: 1.78388, Last trade: 222.01110, 24 hour volume: 37508.43892433, 24 hour low: 199.60135, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 212.23333
pgp: mod6: Regarding miner profits, Blockchain.info has not updated it's assumption of Watts/GH in a long time. Latest hardware is at around 10 Watts per GH not 650 Watts. Miners are still making plenty...
gribble: Current Blocks: 265603 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 508 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 380572529.595 | Estimated Percent Change: 42.14722
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 380572529.595 based on data since last change | 433506794.872 based on data for last three days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00571022 = 0.4911 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 267731249.482, is 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if they pay less than 1.75 dollars / kwh and the gear was free they're making a profit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 59 seconds
mod6: so could a hardware device that measures the decay of a certain isotope be contrived to obtain a reliable source of random numbers? and if so, what would be the best isotope to use?
mircea_popescu: if the gear costs 100k per terahash and it has to be amortised in 6 months however, the cost of electricity would have to be under -7 dollars/kwh or so.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'll tell you later, in the shape of a future nsa product :D
dub: it'll be a box with a camera and a turtle in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00084685 = 1.1856 BTC [-]
dub: best size vs. longevity I could think of in 8 seconds
dub: some of those little guys last 20 years
dub: big ones longer than us obviously but harder to ug around
jurov: <phungus> [18:45:17] a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing << why not? it can help you, infact i'm already doing stuff to help namworld with this passthroughs ;)
jurov: *with his passthroughs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61269944 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005496 = 0.1374 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 746 @ 0.005251 = 3.9172 BTC [-] {32}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 567 @ 0.00503144 = 2.8528 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 83 @ 0.04989408 = 4.1412 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.61275 = 3.0638 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: here, i'll trade you : "the writer here has something interesting to say and a few useful ways to explain it, but jesus if trilema hasn't completely fucking spoiled me for elegance and conciseness."
ThickAsThieves: <+AssetBot> [Graet.Loan] 2 @ 0.00502000 = 0.01004000 [-]
jurov: "slanderous soul" ... sounds almost poetic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00520001 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0052 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.627069 = 26.3369 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.57329476 = 10.8926 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084157 = 0.6733 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00500001 = 2.5 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00500084 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 401 @ 0.00500009 = 2.005 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 256 @ 0.0050002 = 1.2801 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00084657 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5621 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 668 @ 0.00017 = 0.1136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084124 = 6.1411 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10036 @ 0.00084082 = 8.4385 BTC [-] {2}
dub: its pretty easy realy
dub: when there are no resourcing limits, no regulations, no need to control quality
dub: of course they wont last more than a few minutes on the timescale of apple's history
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00519507 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00519871 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {3}