assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 132 @ 0.00251 = 0.3313 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 15 @ 0.02962 = 0.4443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 40 @ 0.0296 = 1.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 5 @ 0.004301 = 0.0215 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.00243 = 0.0194 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.00243 = 0.486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17651 @ 0.00080347 = 14.182 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.00243 = 0.017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 849 @ 0.00080534 = 0.6837 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.0024 = 0.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.002399 = 1.1995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 355 @ 0.002372 = 0.8421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 4 @ 0.0185 = 0.074 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.018002 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.01651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 11 @ 0.0163 = 0.1793 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 31 @ 0.016001 = 0.496 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0159 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 8 @ 0.0159 = 0.1272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7932 @ 0.00080534 = 6.388 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041591 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04062 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040612 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.040613 = 2.3149 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040613 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040614 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04096 = 0.1229 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.183 = 1.281 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 198 @ 0.002549 = 0.5047 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.9 = 1.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 3 @ 0.004689 = 0.0141 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.001934 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 50 @ 0.0303 = 1.515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 31 @ 0.049083 = 1.5216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.041583 = 0.0832 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.199 = 0.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.185 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.204995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2963 @ 0.0008024 = 2.3775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080131 = 7.2919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7037 @ 0.00080091 = 5.636 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.04096 = 1.2698 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.04096 = 0.2048 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 60 @ 0.183 = 10.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 10 @ 0.049083 = 0.4908 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 6 @ 0.030999 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.1783441 = 4.4586 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.1783431 = 3.5669 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.17834209 = 1.9618 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.17833805 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 43 @ 0.178334 = 7.6684 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 462 @ 0.001623 = 0.7498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 147 @ 0.040611 = 5.9698 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 146 @ 0.040611 = 5.9292 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 196 @ 0.040611 = 7.9598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 84 @ 0.040611 = 3.4113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.040611 = 0.4061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.040611 = 1.2183 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 64 @ 0.040611 = 2.5991 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.040611 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.040611 = 0.8122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.040836 = 0.2042 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.040611 = 0.0812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.040612 = 0.0812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.040611 = 0.0812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040611 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0407 = 0.2035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.040405 = 1.0909 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.041239 = 0.9485 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i wonder how much of the money taken from ASICMINER went into MPOE or where it went in general ;P
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.004689 = 0.0281 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Money moved out of ASICMINER slowly since dividend payment.
assbot: [BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00152 / 0.00166 / 0.001995 (992 shares, 1.6 BTC), 7D: 0.00089 / 0.00139 / 0.0035 (16151 shares, 22.4 BTC), 30D: 0.000637 / 0.00112 / 0.0035 (43883 shares, 49.3 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 18 @ 0.001787 = 0.0322 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: You should put anything that would go as dividends into cash on hand, and invest. :P
Namworld: ehrm... that's not the purpose of BitVPS
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002377 = 0.1189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 61 @ 0.002199 = 0.1341 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.002199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002378 = 0.4756 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 220 @ 0.002199 = 0.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 604 @ 0.002377 = 1.4357 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 328 @ 0.002199 = 0.7213 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 155 @ 0.0022 = 0.341 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.040501 = 0.4455 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 151 @ 0.002375 = 0.3586 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.04041 = 0.2021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0405 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.040401 = 0.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.040401 = 1.818 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0404 = 0.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.040219 = 1.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0401 = 0.4812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.041 = 0.082 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.04001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 29 @ 0.041 = 1.189 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 57 @ 0.004689 = 0.2673 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00080091 BTC [-]
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00995 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 48 @ 0.004689 = 0.2251 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 82 @ 0.00469 = 0.3846 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 500 @ 0.00469 = 2.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 285 @ 0.0047 = 1.3395 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 70 @ 0.0047 = 0.329 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.0047 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.00469 = 0.0094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00080447 = 6.9989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 18 @ 0.00469 = 0.0844 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.00469 = 0.0094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16563 @ 0.00080091 = 13.2655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2937 @ 0.00079983 = 2.3491 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 18 @ 0.199999 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.041 = 0.656 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.193 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.3515 = 0.703 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.001626 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 33 @ 0.001623 = 0.0536 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 5 @ 0.001622 = 0.0081 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 17 @ 0.00162 = 0.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 820 @ 0.001602 = 1.3136 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 139 @ 0.001601 = 0.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 500 @ 0.001601 = 0.8005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 15 @ 0.0016 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 600 @ 0.0016 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 240 @ 0.001599 = 0.3838 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 483 @ 0.001576 = 0.7612 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 470 @ 0.001576 = 0.7407 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1015 @ 0.001575 = 1.5986 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 50 @ 0.001525 = 0.0763 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 50 @ 0.0015 = 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 2 @ 0.0015 = 0.003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.041 = 1.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.041 = 1.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0409 = 0.4499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 48 @ 0.041 = 1.968 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.13 = 8.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.13 = 8.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.111001 = 20.555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.111 = 8.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.1 = 12.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.040112 = 0.6418 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 200 @ 0.0015 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00080191 = 1.2831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0008024 = 2.7282 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0017 = 0.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.004451 = 0.0267 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1838 @ 0.001749 = 3.2147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 29 @ 0.03 = 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 953 @ 0.00175 = 1.6678 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 500 @ 0.001888 = 0.944 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.87 = 1.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 6 @ 0.001899 = 0.0114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00995 = 0.0199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 720 @ 0.00079983 = 0.5759 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.001911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0019 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 74 @ 0.0411 = 3.0414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1 @ 0.00060001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 199 @ 0.00055051 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 532 @ 0.00201002 = 1.0693 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00201001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1087 @ 0.00201001 = 2.1849 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000895 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.001654 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.0411 = 1.0686 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.00161 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.085006 = 20.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00079983 = 12.3174 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.018993 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.085006 = 20.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 60 @ 0.009902 = 0.5941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3072 @ 0.00201001 = 6.1748 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00200007 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5075 @ 0.00200005 = 10.1503 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002403 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0062 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.041171 = 1.1528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.0008024 = 0.8826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00080261 = 13.2832 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.085005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.085005 = 20.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.085 = 12.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0415 = 0.083 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.0025 = 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.31002114 = 1.8601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0415 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 93 @ 0.04198696 = 3.9048 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.19349799 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.04198696 = 0.2519 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.04198697 = 2.5192 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.04198 = 0.4198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04198699 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 30 @ 0.018875 = 0.5663 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.125006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 226 @ 0.001799 = 0.4066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 120 @ 0.0018 = 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.02575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.018876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 120 @ 0.04157 = 4.9884 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 19 @ 0.018876 = 0.3586 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 55 @ 0.018898 = 1.0394 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.018898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04195 = 0.0839 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.04195 = 0.3776 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04196999 = 0.1259 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.04197 = 0.6296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.3402205 = 2.0413 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.0189 = 1.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.3402215 = 1.3609 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.04197 = 0.6296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.3402215 = 0.6804 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.018993 = 0.1899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 50 @ 0.019091 = 0.9546 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 118 @ 0.0192 = 2.2656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04198 = 0.1259 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.00163 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 25 @ 0.019644 = 0.4911 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 11 @ 0.183 = 2.013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.186 = 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 21 @ 0.187 = 3.927 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009903 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 999 @ 0.009902 = 9.8921 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 44 @ 0.001899 = 0.0836 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 4 @ 0.00199 = 0.008 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 56 @ 0.001999 = 0.1119 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
gribble: burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <burnside> sadly, gotta head out. withdrawals to process and day job to attend to.
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.030989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.003999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.041146 = 0.5349 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.04198 = 0.2939 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.04198699 = 0.4199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00200005 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00080625 = 6.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 46 @ 0.049083 = 2.2578 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.040502 = 1.4581 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0405 = 1.0125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0404 = 1.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.040302 = 0.0806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0403 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0403 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.040211 = 0.6032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.04021 = 0.4021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0402 = 3.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0402 = 1.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.04015 = 0.3614 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0402 = 0.201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.04015 = 0.6023 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00469 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.030989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041146 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 477 @ 0.00469 = 2.2371 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 20 @ 0.0047 = 0.094 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.004458 = 0.4458 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 217 @ 0.004452 = 0.9661 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 4 @ 0.00445 = 0.0178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1270 @ 0.0044 = 5.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0408 = 0.816 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.04114 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0025 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041145 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.041147 = 0.7406 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 4 @ 0.0023 = 0.0092 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.00164 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 6 @ 0.00163 = 0.0098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 101 @ 0.001621 = 0.1637 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 20 @ 0.017612 = 0.3522 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.017611 = 0.1761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19140 @ 0.00080625 = 15.4316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 7 @ 0.0018 = 0.0126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 7 @ 0.0018 = 0.0126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 2 @ 0.049083 = 0.0982 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041157 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004384 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.004383 = 0.4383 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004381 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 7 @ 0.00438 = 0.0307 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0043 = 0.0086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.1798 = 12.5394 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.17998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019594 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.179995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 4.181995 = 41.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.0025 = 0.0175 BTC [+]
Scrat: droopy left eyelid
Scrat: 2/10 would not bang
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.00109, Best ask: 69.28796, Bid-ask spread: 0.28687, Last trade: 69.28797, 24 hour volume: 26550.16216519, 24 hour low: 66.60001, 24 hour high: 71.11212, 24 hour vwap: 68.67714
Namworld: Ah, mircea. Withdrawals flush please
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.041157 = 0.0823 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.019594 = 0.0588 BTC [+]
mjrIII: i've been doing financial calculations all night and i am so confused
Namworld: What kind of financial calculations, if I may ask?
mjrIII: i am looking to delta hedge positions so i can sell options
mjrIII: right now, the implied volatility of the options at the prices currently quoted is 300
mjrIII: while bitcoin is volatile, it isn't that volatile
Namworld: The options have a big premium currently
mjrIII: based on a few different calculations, i think the MAX volatility is 50
Namworld: I haven't traded options in a while
mjrIII: because of these huge premiums
mjrIII: but, if i can sell options, at a much more lower price, i should be able to collect a decent amount of bitcoin
mjrIII: and that would be where my delta hedging comes in
mjrIII: but i am still working out the numbers
mjrIII: if i sell a futures contract at the current price
mjrIII: expiring at months end
mjrIII: how covered am I if i sell an option that moves inversely
mjrIII: for example, if i sell the future, i could sell a put
mjrIII: since i profit from the future's contract if the price goes down, as long as my premium is at a certain price, i won't lose money in the total portfolio though i lose on the put, my future should hedge me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.0406021 = 0.7308 BTC [-]
mjrIII: it gets complicated when you start evaluating profits in btc vs profits in usd
mjrIII: and also, since it is not possible to know how many bitcoins i would need as collateral, there is a little uncertainty in ROI
mjrIII: and then there is the rolling forward return of the futures contract, which is extremely weird
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041157 BTC [+]
mjrIII: for example, i think the 68put is around .3 btc to buy
mjrIII: what if i offered it at .15
mjrIII: curious as to interest levels
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.300091 BTC [-]
Namworld: I'll take them at 0.05 a piece
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041157 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.30009 = 1.2004 BTC [-]
mjrIII: and yeah, i'd be selling them via mpex
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1000 @ 0.004 = 4 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so...selling puts at .1 could be interesting
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.48659, Best ask: 69.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01341, Last trade: 69.47957, 24 hour volume: 26399.30211272, 24 hour low: 66.60001, 24 hour high: 71.11212, 24 hour vwap: 68.68513
mjrIII: to figure out how hedged I am, i need to calculate the total value of my position over different prices btc/usd
mjrIII: by the way, using my calculated volatility for bitcoin
mjrIII: that put should cost around... .0466 btc
mjrIII: which is probably why namworld said he'd be interesting in buying at .05
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 69 @ 0.0025 = 0.1725 BTC [+]
mjrIII: by the way, to calculate the volatility, i looked at historical data over the last year
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.01859 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 65 @ 0.002525 = 0.1641 BTC [+]
mjrIII: not only on a daily basis (much lower, but irrelevant for a monthly option)
mjrIII: so i looked at the deviation from the mean for each closing month
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.002535 = 0.038 BTC [+]
mjrIII: and that is still around 23
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.041979 = 0.7556 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so i looked at the one month in which volatility was the greatest
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 87 @ 0.002545 = 0.2214 BTC [+]
mjrIII: well, given vol of 50, that option should cost $3 or so
Scrat: spamming a bot for 1 pic at a time = worst way to fap
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 230 @ 0.00255 = 0.5865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00255 = 0.0153 BTC [+]
mjrIII: is that not called a movie?
mjrIII: so anyway, i think that the options are really expensive, but it seems to be working for mp, so i understand why he wouldn't offer it cheaper
mjrIII: but if i CAN, maybe i can make some money
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.2 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.2 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.2 BTC [+]
mjrIII: but i don't want to speculate on the rise and fall of btc prices, i just want to arbitrage
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.041157 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
mjrIII: oh, volume still seemed pretty high
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.04198 = 0.4198 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 74 @ 0.0408 = 3.0192 BTC [-]
mjrIII: 30 day volume is 71,000 btc...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 99 @ 0.00448 = 0.4435 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.041169 = 0.2058 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.04117 = 0.8234 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I think if another month or two of low sales go by, he'll adjust
kakobrekla: mjrIII! the legend, you in panama yet?
CheckDavid: I was just confused by the lack of info on the website I guess
mjrIII: he specifically said that because no one is going in the mid market, he is not adjusting
mjrIII: so if i jump in, he might compete
ThickAsThieves: mostly i've been too busy with other areas to fuss over options lately
mjrIII: i just think that most people would be too scared to writeoptions
ThickAsThieves: stressing over btc/usd was much less enjoyable than trading assets
CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves, most websites don't even have irc channels ;)
CheckDavid: I just can't interpret the syntax used by assbot
mircea_popescu: <mjrIII> while bitcoin is volatile, it isn't that volatile << so you think.
jurov: mjrIII, do you think this year's march and april won't happen anymore?
mircea_popescu: the problem is exactly that. you can end up with 500k btc in liabilities. then what ?
mircea_popescu: start thinking not from "o i could make some btc" perspective but fgrom the "how could i employ my btc" perspective.
mircea_popescu: how much premium today would you want to give away your btc capital tomorrow ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 500 @ 0.004 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 4.085 / 4.14438 / 4.29495 (124 shares, 513.9 BTC), 7D: 3.59001 / 4.52831 / 5.17 (5205 shares, 23569.9 BTC), 30D: 2.15 / 3.41124 / 5.17 (17701 shares, 60382.3 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.139999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 4.13 = 16.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.12 = 20.6 BTC [-]
mjrIII: but my point is that when march and april happened, the vol was 50
mjrIII: the implied vol by these prices is 300
mjrIII: and my goal is to acquire bitcoin
mjrIII: since i don't have much capital
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00448 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so, if i can "employ my btc" by writing options and collecting premium, while doing it in a fully backed way (not exposed to the risk at the expense of some profits), then that seems like a great way to acquire more btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.004481 = 0.009 BTC [+]
mjrIII: and also, hopefully see more volume in options
mjrIII: as i've said...the goal was not to speculate, the goal was to arbitrage
mjrIII: mircea_popescu: does that not make sense?
jurov: well, i did not understand how... you want to hedge by selling futures?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004481 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so i can build in profits in either direction to offset losses by the options
jurov: is there a market with matching liquidity/expiration time?
mjrIII: although let's pretend there is
mjrIII: i can find one person, and craft my own forward contract between me and him
mjrIII: which does entail cp risk
mjrIII: but let's say i am more comfortable with the cp risk than i am with the fx risk
mjrIII: anyway, if i can for example, sell 10 btc at $68 at months end, and only have to put up 1 btc as collateral
jurov: sry, what is cp risk?
mjrIII: so, i am effectively guaranteed to receive $68 per bitcoin at months end, up to 10 bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04082 BTC [-]
mjrIII: which means that my profit occurs if the price falls, i can sell at the higher price of my contract
mjrIII: BUT if the price rises, i still have $680 dollars
mjrIII: fewer bitcoins, but same dollar amount
mjrIII: so that would be the future side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00080532 = 16.7507 BTC [-]
mjrIII: since with the future, i profit when price falls, i should be able to take risk in that direction
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.300001 BTC [-]
mjrIII: so now, due to the put, i lose money when price falls
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002545 = 0.0255 BTC [-]
mjrIII: but as the future profits on price falling, it should offset the loss from the put
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002535 = 0.0051 BTC [-]
mjrIII: if prices rise, i still collect premium, and futures gives me less btc, though same USD
mjrIII: remember that i only put up one bitcoin for the future contract, though that allows me to hedge 10 bitcoins prices
mjrIII: so i should be able to sell some number of puts (can't figure out how many without actually trying)
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 26 @ 0.019547 = 0.5082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 15 @ 0.019548 = 0.2932 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 219 @ 0.019549 = 4.2812 BTC [+]
mjrIII: but the combined premium of that number of puts should more than offset any losses from the future contract if i can charge .15 btc per put
mjrIII: that is what i mean by arbitraging the difference between the future and the option
mjrIII: of course there are risks
mjrIII: and its very complicated, depends on if you measure p&l in btc or USD (that is not as simple a decision as one might think)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04198 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so, i really don't know, all i know is that the implied vol of those prices is 6 times higher than the greatest vol i've observed in any given month
mjrIII: meaning there should be signifigant profits in the middle (which no one has tried to take) if you can handle your risk
jurov: now you've lost me
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0025 BTC [-]
jurov: on "implied vol of those prices"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.002405 = 0.0361 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 146 @ 0.002404 = 0.351 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002403 = 0.4806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 400 @ 0.0024 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00239 = 0.717 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 338 @ 0.002377 = 0.8034 BTC [-]
mjrIII: one of the largest factors in an options price is the volatility
mjrIII: which is just a measure of how much it moves
mjrIII: if you reverse engineer the prices being offered, for the underlying price and the strike price
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 38 @ 0.187 = 7.106 BTC [+]
mjrIII: you arrive at implied volatility, or what that person writing/pricing the option thinks the possible moves are
mjrIII: at the current prices, that number is 300
jurov: oh yes, i somehow thought vol=volume and went derp
mjrIII: by looking at historical data i can calculate the daily, monthly, yearly, etc volatilty
mjrIII: and even in march and april and may, it never went above 50
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00080532 = 2.416 BTC [-]
mjrIII: meaning if i opened an options contract on the beginning of the month, the change would never have been sharper than volatility of 50 (that was the highest number i could make the spreadsheet give me)
mjrIII: if you look at daily volatility, its around 11 i think
mjrIII: and to calculate that, i took the "returns" on btc on options expiration days for the last 12 months
mjrIII: then calculated their standard deviations from the average return
mjrIII: which was much lower than 50
jurov: hmm, did you consider they are american style?
mjrIII: yes...and that does make it harder to price
mjrIII: typically you pay more of a premium for the increased optionality
mjrIII: but not like 10x the price of the european option
mjrIII: i haven't done the math perfectly
mjrIII: but if i do this as a thought experiment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 10000 @ 0.00017 = 1.7 BTC [+]
mjrIII: there must be a scenario where the premium is not 33% of the underlying
mjrIII: so, if the actual greatest volatility we have seen so far is 50, let's assume that is true
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
mjrIII: underlying premise and all that
jurov: not sure if you're taking this from the right end
mjrIII: but given that vol is 50, and options are being priced at vol 300
mjrIII: there should be an arbitrage opportunity, i think that is self-evident, no?
mjrIII: if the numbers are wrong, of course it wouldn't make sense
mjrIII: but if that IS the case...does my hypothesis make sense?
jurov: i'd rather try to consider btcusd as random walk and determine in which range it's going to stay with, 95% chance during the 1 or 2 months
jurov: then use that price range as breakeven points for options
mjrIII: well, that is what i am trying to do, in a way
mjrIII: i am basically trying to show returns for any given price between 40 and 130
jurov: ^ yes, someone called that fat tail events
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 30 @ 0.016005 = 0.4802 BTC [+]
mjrIII: depending on what you think of as extreme
jurov: 300% increase in a month is extreme
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.019549 = 0.0391 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 30 @ 0.019549 = 0.5865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 90 @ 0.019549 = 1.7594 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 25275743.691 based on data since last change | 24539552.1447 based on data for last three days
mjrIII: yes, and for the month where the price tripled, that is where i calculated volatility of 50
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.004466 = 0.0268 BTC [-]
mjrIII: which was the highest vol for any month
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 22 @ 0.048994 = 1.0779 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00099 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [-]
mjrIII: and i arrive at vol by doing the following
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.040551 = 0.2839 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.04055 = 0.1217 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.04052 = 4.2546 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0405 = 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.040202 = 0.804 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.040162 = 2.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.04016 = 0.6024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.04015 = 1.7666 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.04012 = 0.1605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.04005 = 0.4005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.04004 = 0.1201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.04002 = 2.3612 BTC [-]
mjrIII: square root of the avg(difference from avg return for n periods)^2
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004466 BTC [-]
mjrIII: not sure if i wrote that correctly
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.004466 = 0.0089 BTC [-]
mjrIII: i'm gonna redo the numbers for every day in the last year
mjrIII: see what i arrive at, brb
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 132 @ 0.048994 = 6.4672 BTC [-]
mjrIII: YTD i think daily historical vol is 120
mjrIII: which is much higher, but still not even half of 300
mjrIII: jurov: i think that is your random walk
mjrIII: which should correspond to an option price of .11
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04085 BTC [-]
mjrIII: again, these are just using standardized finance tools, which i am not sure how well they apply
mjrIII: but intuitively, while the bots options are fully backed, they are not hedged
mjrIII: so if you wrote options while hedging you should be able to offer more efficient pricing i would imagine
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019548 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04092 = 0.1228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.004466 = 0.0089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11694 @ 0.00080625 = 9.4283 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
jurov: mjrIII, with how much confidence you computed that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00099 BTC [+]
jurov: or it implies that using volatility 120, the model should stay break-even over a long time?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 25 @ 0.004466 = 0.1117 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.041789 = 1.0447 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, to get the leverage for your futures, you need to pay interest... and that can eat considerable part of your profit
jurov: i did some rough estimates while trying to prop up MPBPT, and this haas been a problem, too
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.12 = 20.6 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: so anyone use reddit? im new, but i cant post more than once in 10 mins, and im even gold level, wtf?
jurov: are you posting links or only comments?
Chaang-Noi: one was in btc area, not i try ltc are and im doing too much
Chaang-Noi: you are doing that too much. try again in 2 minutes.
Chaang-Noi: i paid for a eyars worth of gold in btc already
jurov: prolly someone turned you in as a known troll
Chaang-Noi: cuz right after i signed up it was like this
Chaang-Noi: btw how do i get to that gold section again?
mjrIII: jurov: it depends, confident enough to try a test program
mjrIII: and as far as i can see, no interest calculated on the futures
mjrIII: i'm looking at icbit.se
mjrIII: though the actual place i get a futures contract from is not relevant
mjrIII: as i am pretty sure i can do futures with some businesses
jurov: well, if you can insure MPBPT with reasonable terms.. i'm all in
mjrIII: that is what I eventually hope to have
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 6 @ 0.0018 = 0.0108 BTC [+]
mjrIII: by the way, check out the current edition of the site
mjrIII: buttonwood_advanced.meteor.com
mjrIII: i am refactoring and debugging the old site and adding it into the new site slowly
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002478 BTC [+]
mjrIII: and will launch this one at satoshisquare.com when it is ready
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.115 = 12.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 4.11 = 16.44 BTC [-]
mjrIII: but i basically have to put up .2 bitcoins as collateral to hedge one bitcoin
mjrIII: then i collect hopefully .15 bitcoins as premium...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.1 = 12.3 BTC [-]
mjrIII: and let's for simplicity's sake say 1 bitcoin for mpex put
mjrIII: maybe i should reverse them so i can know with certainty the collateral on the mpex side
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004466 BTC [-]
mjrIII: sell calls/buy futures
mjrIII: CheckDavid: from assbot?
mjrIII: the last one is a "print" from BTCTC for an asset called virtualmine
mjrIII: 1 unit was transacted for .004 bitcoin
mjrIII: the terms of its creator i suppose
CheckDavid: Was it transacted on a specific exchange?
mjrIII: it was a print from btctc
mjrIII: if i told you it was a print from nasdaq
mjrIII: the different exchanges publish market data
mjrIII: or should i say broadcast might be more accurate
mjrIII: what level of understanding of traditional finance you had
mjrIII: so i could draw analogies for you
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 63 @ 0.004466 = 0.2814 BTC [-]
mjrIII: are you asking for a comparison of which one it is more similar to?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 9 @ 0.004467 = 0.0402 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: its like that econ class i had in 6th grade
mjrIII: or are you asking if it is like either
jurov: go there and make your own opinion
mjrIII: like nyse and nasdaq are exchanges
jurov: his is too broad question
CheckDavid: How does a "company" or "business" register there?
Chaang-Noi: i did the same shit when i was 12, we made up companies and traded stock
mjrIII: on mpex, you need to be vetted by mircea_popescu (good luck)
CheckDavid: Ok ok, you all dominate thsi shit when you were born
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 10 @ 0.004467 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.002379 = 0.0262 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.002378 = 0.0214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 17 @ 0.002377 = 0.0404 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002365 = 0.0118 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 52 @ 0.002358 = 0.1226 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002355 = 0.1178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00235 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 18 @ 0.00235 = 0.0423 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00234 = 0.007 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00232 = 0.232 BTC [-]
mjrIII: so, CheckDavid, you see those prints?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.0023 = 0.069 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00225 = 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.0022 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2460 @ 0.00215 = 5.289 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00215 = 0.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00211 = 0.1055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 975 @ 0.0021 = 2.0475 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00201 = 0.0503 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002002 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.002001 = 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002001 = 0.4002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3000 @ 0.002 = 6 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: mjrIII, these ones now? this flood? lol
mjrIII: that is an equity called s.dice-pt which is what they call a pass through
Chaang-Noi: that right there is a pass though to mpex of one of iots only stocks being sold off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.192999 = 3.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 45 @ 0.193 = 8.685 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.1931 = 2.3172 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.1936 = 0.5808 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.1937 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.1939 = 0.5817 BTC [+]
mjrIII: ChaangNoi: depends on what you think the point of equity markets are
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: i think of it as a place for businesses to sell equity in exchange for capital
jurov: CheckDavid: if some parts are confusing, you'll still be able to ask better questions
mjrIII: in which case, its fine, the businesses who sought capital got it
mjrIII: secondary markets are not really important
Chaang-Noi: yeah but the traders and users left after getting fcked over and over
mjrIII: in the grand scheme of things
Chaang-Noi: mpex is dead, no one will ever list there agin
Chaang-Noi: he had to make up a company to get a new one to list
mjrIII: that remains to be seen, i am confident in mpex
jurov: sour grapes, goat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00080625 = 5.6438 BTC [+]
Namworld: just-dice? What's so great about just-dice?
Chaang-Noi: better odds than s.dice and run by a guy more trusted than erik
mjrIII: let's go to blockchain.info and see how many just-dice transactions vs s.dice transactions happen
Chaang-Noi: mjrIII okay okay, buy s.dice then, :) hehehe
mjrIII: i thought just-dice gave you both options
mjrIII: and i think erik is pretty well trusted
pankkake: no, but I doubt you can see the in/outs, and it would not provide any useful info
mjrIII: i do see the transactions for s.dice
Namworld: Blah... coinroll all the way... same thing but came earlier.
mjrIII: as if there weren't s.dice clones in the past
pankkake: the advantage of satoshi dice, as a gambler, is that the btc go back (or not) to your account quickly. you don't have to put much trust in the operator
pankkake: as an investor, it's all the same really
pankkake: and it's much more convenient on just-dice
mjrIII: pankkake: well, as an investory, whichever is more appealing to the consumer is the one i'd rather invest in
Chaang-Noi: <mjrIII> and i think erik is pretty well trusted he was, but then he fucked over the people who gave him money and did not do what he said
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: in what way?
pankkake: just-dice has no fees at each gamble, has immediate results, it's better in almost every way
mjrIII: are you referring to when he released 3% more of the company
Chaang-Noi: erik did not take the money and improve the site like he said, all he did was sell sell and then take the pool money
Namworld: pankkake, so does Coinroll, PrimeDice and plenty others which were there before just-dice or these...
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: omg, you really don't understand s.dice huh
mjrIII: its a bitcoin blockchain transaction, how exactly does one block anyone?
jurov: mjrIII, but erik really did that, or tried to
mjrIII: oh, the website that is irrelevant to the actual game
mjrIII: i can't look at the list of addresses on that website
jurov: it really seems like it's a liability for evoor
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 4.1 = 36.9 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he is a huge target, but he got like 10 million usd out of it
mjrIII: does blockchain still offer that list?
Namworld: blockchain still direct link SD for its user
jurov: mjrIII it's not about game itself, that's bulletproof. it's about the owner
Namworld: Major source of gambling for SD
Namworld: and apparently does it "for free"
Namworld: But of course, won't put other website there other than the SD option.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.08 = 8.16 BTC [-]
mjrIII: i would argue that more people learn about s.dice because they use blockchain than because they stumbled upon the site
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.06133 = 12.184 BTC [-]
mjrIII: and that isn't blocked
mjrIII: so, the whole OMG they blocked the website from US Users was silly from the perspective of someone who understands how s.dice works
jurov: mjrIII how many users do understand?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.0613 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: new users who try to play go to the site and well are blocked
mjrIII: or just send it straight from blockchain
Chaang-Noi: mjr3 must hold s.dice stock, no one is that retarded
mjrIII: my point is that almost everyone uses blockchain
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so you are more likely to be exposed to s.dice via blockchain than by going to their site
mjrIII: and no, i hold no equities at the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.04198 = 0.3778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.04198699 = 0.4199 BTC [+]
mjrIII: but s.dice's .28 P/E ratio is quite tempting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [+]
Namworld: I hold equity in more than one dice websites.
jurov: okay, and would that stay forever? is there any known agreement between blockchain and sdice?
jurov: mjrIII and what do you say to the fact that evoorhees intrduces himself as Coinapult CEO, not mentioning SatoshiDice much?
jurov: even if coinapult is much smaller operation
mjrIII: 648.55972400843 that is june's div for s.dice
arij: is there something wrong with that/
mjrIII: that is a positive number i believe
mjrIII: and that is 13% of their total profit
mjrIII: ;;calc (648.55972400843 * 100)/13
jurov: mjrIII of course it's good.. but company isn't numbers. company is people
Namworld: Just look at the per share dividend. Does it match 100% profit divided by 100 million shares? Always
mjrIII: did justdice make 5k bitcoins last month
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.22500, Best ask: 71.24000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01500, Last trade: 71.22501, 24 hour volume: 31145.86411387, 24 hour low: 66.60001, 24 hour high: 71.61334, 24 hour vwap: 69.02590
Namworld: It made 755.67132996 so far, apparently
gribble: Current Blocks: 245330 | Current Difficulty: 2.1335329113983E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 245951 | Next Difficulty In: 621 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25440669.41 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.24198
mjrIII: Namworld: do they not match? net profit/total shares doesn't add up?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.030989 = 3.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 40 @ 0.03099 = 1.2396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 49 @ 0.031 = 1.519 BTC [+]
mjrIII: anyway, for a company that is doing so bad, to have 8X the revenue of your paradigm of the "best" site says that the market doesn't think just-dice is the best
mjrIII: and that s.dice is still doing just fine
mjrIII: jurov: and what did you mean about the people, i trust erik more than almost everyone in btc
mjrIII: i would say the relative "risk-free" people in btc are you, mp, erik, kako
mjrIII: maybe namworld and smickles too
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
mjrIII: lol that was a conversation i was having with him lol
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: anyway, profit of 5k bitcoins last month pretty much says everything i need to say about s.dice as a company
mjrIII: with no US website, they did 800% of what just-dice did
mjrIII: and I think just-dice is great
jurov: as i said, erik is trustworthy but he seems to consider sdice a liability
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 13 @ 0.31002215 = 4.0303 BTC [-]
mjrIII: jurov: he def does i think
mjrIII: and is exploring how to protect the company and himself, as he should
mjrIII: but at the end of the day, there are few companies in btc space who can claim to have made 5k bitcoins, much less 5k in one month
mjrIII: probably count them on both hands i am guessing (ones that are still around at least)
mjrIII: i'm sure glbse must have to
mjrIII: and mt gox makes more than that i'd bet
mjrIII: mpex i'm sure also has done that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.041599 = 0.0832 BTC [-]
mjrIII: but, think about this just from a fundamentals perspective
mjrIII: they had expenses of 167 bitcoin last month
Chaang-Noi: mjrIII> Chaang-Noi: anyway, profit of 5k bitcoins last month pretty much says everything i need to say about s.dice as a company what the loss the month before? is that what it says, lulz do you know luck, you are just an ignorant troll. be my guest, sell your ouse and buy s.dice, its best evar
mjrIII: that is the most ridiculous number i've ever seen in my life for a profit margin
jurov: yes,. let's try fundamentals. did you read mircea's recent accounting stuff implying that since assets are iuner full control of owner/management anyway, they need not to be reported?
jurov: *under full control
mjrIII: is this referring to the private placement?
mjrIII: um...tiberslav is very bearish...
mjrIII: and yes, i know about luck
mjrIII: but it isn't luck when it happens, oh and by the way, that 5k was AFTER taking the loss from last month
jurov: and s.dice is considered "zero assets company" afaik
Chaang-Noi: nothig you can do to trick me into thinking s,dice is a smart buy, but honestly i hope you invest all you have, and even borrow to invest in it
jurov: for me that implies that personal integrity of the owner is more important than in meatspace where everything is reported
mjrIII: so they got lucky and made 5k instead of their expected 3k
jurov: and evoorhees has his problems with it
Chaang-Noi: erik has fallen from grace over 500k usd :/
mjrIII: jurov: yes, there is little recourse in case of fraud
mjrIII: jurov: but my point is that erik is trusted, so mgmt counts for a lot
mjrIII: so when you aggregate trusted mgmt, ridiculous profit margins, low share price, and great market share
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 10 @ 0.004597 = 0.046 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 9 @ 0.0047 = 0.0423 BTC [+]
mjrIII: you have a strong buy IMO
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 299 @ 0.0047 = 1.4053 BTC [+]
mjrIII: i'm not advising people to buy
mjrIII: but i honestly don't understand why it is valued so low
Chaang-Noi: i bet tiberslav does more in life to be honest.
jurov: he doesn't stand up to the trust
mjrIII: jurov: what do you mean?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.324776 = 0.9743 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: <mjrIII> but i honestly don't understand why it is valued so low this i 100% agree with, you really do not understand... :(
mjrIII: i chalk it up to retards like you...
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.031 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yes it is my fault you do not understand
jurov: mjrIII if he was interested to maintain his trust, he would announce shit in advance
mjrIII: not always the case, IMO
mjrIII: what did he do that he didn't announce?
jurov: that s.dice has no own betting pool
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.0047 = 0.47 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: goat why are u even starting shit we all know sdice can both not live up to its potential and look like decent investment at the same time
Chaang-Noi: i did not start, it was mrj3 telling me how good a deal it was
Chaang-Noi: <ThickAsThieves> doesnt make someone a troll or idiot just cuz i was thinking that, does not mean i said it!
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: i am saying, that if you look at a stock, and see a P/E ratio of .28 or whatever, and then see that they have huge market share, as well as very low expenses to profit ratio, what would you think
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.17831404 = 0.3566 BTC [-]
mjrIII: i'm not talking about s.dice, i am saying any company
Chaang-Noi: mjr3 look at the numbers last month, what was the PE???
mjrIII: P/E is a measure over time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.31002215 BTC [-]
mjrIII: how long will it take to get the returns to cover the cost i paid for the stock
Chaang-Noi: TAT this guy does not ahve a clue but he thinks he does
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0444 BTC [+]
jurov: mjrIII: i am saying, that if you look at a stock where mgmt suddenly claims it's 6k in debt and it will be paid from next dividend, what would you think
Chaang-Noi: jurov i doubt he even knows about that issue
mjrIII: difference between in debt, and taking a loss for the month
mjrIII: only profits should be distributed, not losses?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.041599 = 0.2912 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 7 @ 0.0047 = 0.0329 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 64 @ 0.048994 = 3.1356 BTC [-]
jurov: mjrIII no it was not caused by normal dice losses
Namworld: Considering expectation of ~4000 satoshi per month on average, at 0.002 BTC per S.DICE, 50 months.
Namworld: Gambling amounts will probably go back up with BTC price drop however.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.0613 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.06 = 8.12 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: erik said he was going to do world wide adverts, never did...
Chaang-Noi: but this is only like 1 ov 20 issues mrj is ot aware of
mjrIII: still don't see the issue
mjrIII: he provided interest free loan
mjrIII: and now doesn't want to
jurov: rly? i give up then
Chaang-Noi: <mjrIII> he provided interest free loan so he claims
mjrIII: he could have just listed "operations capital" as an expense of 4k and then showed profit of 1k if he wanted
Chaang-Noi: jurov i give up too, we really should try to get this guy to go all in on s.dice stock
mjrIII: historically, it seems to me that S.DICE has paid out quite a bit in dividends
mjrIII: they still have great market share
jurov: ic, it's too big to fail
mjrIII: do you disagree with any of those points
mjrIII: i am not looking for investment advice
mjrIII: and don't really like playing with equitities in a market filled with retards
mjrIII: no, i am asking you a simple question
Chaang-Noi: see TAT he is the one with the insults
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.31002215 = 1.8601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00080532 = 10.8316 BTC [-]
mjrIII: has s.dice a) paid out a decent sized amount of dividends over their lifetime b) maintain a large market share c) have low expenses for the amount of profit they generate
jurov: mjrIII, i already told you i agree. and no need to argue with goat
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: and i wasn't directing that at you per se
mjrIII: i'm saying that most people in this space have no idea what they are doing
Chaang-Noi: <mjrIII> i'm saying that most people in this space have no idea what they are doing no argument ehre....
jurov: yes, including evoor, sadly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00080039 = 1.8809 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: erik made bank, he knew what he was doing
mjrIII: so, i personally don't like assets
mjrIII: i am looking for more arbitrage stuff
Chaang-Noi: then dont defent s.dice if you dont like it
mjrIII: i'll defend whatever i please
mjrIII: but i never said i didn't like it, i guess my sentiment is that i wish more mature investors saw this equity
mjrIII: and valued it appropriately
mjrIII: well...that is an interesting question
jurov: now tell me what does mature investor say about such liabilities disclosed in last minute?
jurov: with such poor wording
mjrIII: jurov: i totally agree
mjrIII: same issue as when he dumped 3% more on the market
mjrIII: and people got all pissed
mjrIII: im not saying its ran perfectlhy
mjrIII: just saying that the numbers speak for themselves...if you bought their IPO would you be happy or sad right now?
mjrIII: yes, enough talk of s.dice
Chaang-Noi: people who bought iop are out of money,
mjrIII: EVR has been wanting me to move the exchange to EVR
mjrIII: and it makes a lot of sense
mjrIII: WiFi, electricity, food and drink and private space, and shelter from inclement weather
mjrIII: it is the lounge which accepts bitcoin
mjrIII: charlie shrem is part owner
mjrIII: Chaang-Noi: not everyone lives by CME/CBOE
mjrIII: so, i think we will be moving there
Chaang-Noi: <mjrIII> Chaang-Noi: not everyone lives by CME/CBOE since most people dont know what that is, i bet its true
mjrIII: and then launching another day for the park
mjrIII: lol, it is where most options come from
mjrIII: and almost all commodities (US at least)
mjrIII: chicago mercantile exchange
mjrIII: i work in finance, but not a trader
mjrIII: and i def don't live in chicago
mjrIII: no CME group owns comex
mjrIII: which used to be nymex
mjrIII: but was acquired by cme
mjrIII: which also own the chicago board of trade
mjrIII: the oldest of all options exchanges
Chaang-Noi: yes i know, i was trading oil when it was bought
mjrIII: so, cme is where almost all options are traded (there are others but they are the biggest)
mjrIII: means you are somewhat savvy
mjrIII: from a finance perspective
mjrIII: moreso than most people in bitcoin space
Chaang-Noi: make my first 10k in less than an hour in that game
Chaang-Noi: let me reword that, first time i made 10k in less than an hour
mjrIII: so anyway, in the same way that cme group runs comex and the cboe
mjrIII: would still be big money for me
Chaang-Noi: sorry, just keep hold btc and we will try to pump it
mjrIII: anyway, trading pits were my inspiration
mjrIII: and i am building an app that will hopefully allow #bitcoin-otc to connect to all the local exchanges
mjrIII: ah you were there at the time and trading from there
mjrIII: so, my goal is to push the local exchange model, and build an app that allows trading to take place globally
Chaang-Noi: iv cut back from two fiths of gin a day to a few beers, so yes....
mjrIII: but without relying on a central point of failure like mt gox
matthew_boyd: Wouldn't really know how bad / good that was, not the legal age to drink, yet ;)
mjrIII: this may sound stupid but i let myself get scammed for 1 btc there, just so i would remember and not let it happen for an amount that matters
mjrIII: but it has served me well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 299 @ 0.042 = 12.558 BTC [-]
mjrIII: because i haven't been scammed since
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.042 = 0.756 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: im the most scammed guy in all btc land
mjrIII: anyway, it was interesting to get scammed in a controlled way, but i don't think i'd find that interesting
mjrIII: usually, with traders who are good, the losses look huge, but they have huge profits along the way
Chaang-Noi: jesus is chris brown the black version of justin timberlake???
mjrIII: people's accounts that swing from up a million to down a million
mjrIII: and that is a normal day
Chaang-Noi: 200k usd swing in 2 hours is nothing anymore... that happens all the fucking time
mjrIII: justin timberlake doesn't though right?
mjrIII: so, its just a matter of scale
mjrIII: that is a good question
Chaang-Noi: <matthew_boyd> Chaang-Noi, you have many asic shares? AM? if so i was a org board memeber
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1865 = 0.9325 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.187 = 2.805 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if not, i have 10k avalon chips... and yes i have BFL mining already, muhahahah
mjrIII: i set up two avalons, yifu made a great product IMO
matthew_boyd: Nice! I have 2 asic shares, but I am scared :( I want to get a new PC and so I have to cash out, but when I want to cash out, everything crashes, typical...
Chaang-Noi: i did not get an avalon... i was traveling and was like fuck it, should have... but i got the chips ordered
mjrIII: jurov: i really think an insurance service would be very helpful
mjrIII: how do you plan on doing the pcb stuff
jurov: mjrIII yes, if you come with a number (presumably a %) let me know
mjrIII: so AM, if i remember correctly, plans on having 25% of the hashing power of the network, correct?
matthew_boyd: Chaang-Noi: you seem like someone with stories, what's the best / worst escrow you have ever done?
mjrIII: percent, they should get 10% of all coins minted right?
mjrIII: do they have that now?
mjrIII: that is where i got that number from
mjrIII: i thought they were trying for a specific percentage of the total
mjrIII: because i wanted to figure out the npv of the future revenue stream
Chaang-Noi: they were but got up to 40% so had to sell off hardware
mjrIII: given their expected returns
Chaang-Noi: and now total net work is 200 th and they ahve 200 th on the way...
mjrIII: does the drop in price affect their profit? (when they have to convert for electricity)
mjrIII: i'm more curious about the massive hashing power that will result from the avalon chips
Chaang-Noi: yes they pay electric but man... its fuck all
mjrIII: yeah, they are printing money
mjrIII: but is it worth 4.2 btc for that revenue stream
mjrIII: i bought AM at .7 i think
Chaang-Noi: i ried to spend it in a week, got to 12 k and was like.. fuck...
mjrIII: you weren't trying hard enough!!
matthew_boyd: surely there isn't a limited number of strippers that would accept large cash sums? :P
Chaang-Noi: man girls is not something im short of
matthew_boyd: Heck, I would even get down for some of those shares ;)
Chaang-Noi: i have mothers callig me up offering me thier daughters...
mjrIII: um...that is a little sadder
mjrIII: i understand, but geez
mjrIII: where does goat come from btw
mjrIII: i noticed that you call ThickAsThieves TAT, and he calls you Goat
Chaang-Noi: i joined the forum to troll bfl with thei fpga claims of power.. they were 4005 off and i won a bet
Chaang-Noi: TAT is new so i think he just joined the others
mjrIII: anyway, what is P/E for AM now?
mjrIII: would you buy at this price?
mjrIII: that is what i was thinking
mjrIII: i hate that forum, but fine i will go there and look
matthew_boyd: "Smoothie has messaged Theymos and a few of the mods to try to get me to not post in this thread. Free speech man, even after 9 months. " -- For real?
Chaang-Noi: <ThickAsThieves> goat, your forum name still says goat it only says goat?
Chaang-Noi: <matthew_boyd> "Smoothie has messaged Theymos and a few of the mods to try to get me to not post in this thread. Free speech man, even after 9 months. " -- For real? tomorrow or soon i will post all the pms, its fucking lol!!!! he thinks missouri is not in the usa
mjrIII: wait wtf is going on in the forums?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.04199 = 0.4199 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: says goat in parentheses like it's the definition of chaang-noi or something
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.002299 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: chaang-noi means small elephant in thai
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.03 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: goat was just too much of a ledgend to abandon
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.020002 = 20.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 4.010003 = 16.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.01 = 12.03 BTC [-]
matthew_boyd: Chaang-Noi: Are you annoyed at the moment? From what you are speaking like, it would seem like you are giving up hope in the Bitcoin?
Chaang-Noi: btc it good to go, and if it fails ltc
Chaang-Noi: its the future, and if not it, something like it
matthew_boyd: Good, I felt you were leaving for a second, by the way you were speaking
matthew_boyd: Thought about that, but I felt that it was too big of a risk...
matthew_boyd: I remember you PMing me the amount of Litecoins you once owned... Damn....
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 14 @ 0.03025 = 0.4235 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ok, must have been in the last 5 months than
Chaang-Noi: im well known for holding massive ltc and caring when all others left
Chaang-Noi: lets just say i will never run out of beer or drug money evar
matthew_boyd: hahaha, that's rather ironic, what are you on at the moment?
Chaang-Noi: had 12 beers, but now onto soda and cigarz
Chaang-Noi: i cant post more than once in 10 mins, so fuck that
matthew_boyd: I upvoted all your posts, so you should be able to do it now :D
Chaang-Noi: i sent it back, but i cant check and see if you got it
matthew_boyd: He was a soldier and so I was very appreciative to him :)
Chaang-Noi: im very new to redit, im old school 4chan
Chaang-Noi: does that only show in gold area? or all over?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4821 @ 0.00080248 = 3.8688 BTC [+]
bj: wait whyd u get a gratz from empty
Chaang-Noi: i have no idea what you are talking about
matthew_boyd: I said gratz because he did something on Reddit
bj: well im here to show you this
bj: Biggest single bet ever
bj: poor guy is now broke
matthew_boyd: I think I would kill myself if I was that guy..
louong: there are people sitting on thousands of coins
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 393 @ 0.01 = 3.93 BTC [+]
matthew_boyd: I once tried to make a website for gambling with bitcoins, it kinda failed, but I got lots of experience out of it. I then used that to make a litecoin chain game with some friends : D
louong: it depends on one's mind and how big it can expand
louong: to some people $1k is a lot of money
Chaang-Noi: 200k swings when normal, means to get a rush you need like what 5 million bets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.0415 = 0.747 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0415 = 0.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0415 = 1.245 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: I lived in/close to Detroit for 22 years. My "favorite" moment had to be when I got robbed at knifepoint during the fireworks. There were cops 30ft away from me. When I ran up crying that I had been robbed, one of the officers said, calm as ever, "well... you're in Detroit" I lost all hope when I realized he did not care.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.0415 = 1.743 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.001799 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ha, some more BTC-BOND sold. Hmm
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 22 @ 0.002053 = 0.0452 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 243 @ 0.002046 = 0.4972 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002045 = 0.0041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.193899 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 29 @ 0.1939 = 5.6231 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.041302 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0411 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.041 = 3.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.041 = 0.082 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.04092001 = 8.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04092 = 0.0818 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.040836 = 1.0209 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.04081 = 0.8978 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.0406211 = 2.9247 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Exactly. I want juicy dividends, not some useless "reports". Dividends are my reports and they are pretty good. As long as dividends pay, friedcat can sit with his thumb up his nose for all I care."
Chaang-Noi: im too busy/drunk to read reports anyway, i just want results!
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 2 @ 0.031397 = 0.0628 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 15 @ 0.031787 = 0.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.031788 = 3.1788 BTC [+]
emptyeddepended: almost every word of friedcat ends up on reddit's bitcoin frontpage, followed by another price increase.. i don''t care about the reports, but it's effects
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0417 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: I have a doubt. If someone lists their stocks on btctc and then it goes under, hwo do you guarantee the rights of share holders? Does my question make sense?
CheckDavid: I wonder what would happen if it disappears in the practical sense.
CheckDavid: How a responsible company caters for his shareholders.
emptyeddepended: "The asset issuers already have all the data they need to move to another exchange."
emptyeddepended: i'm not sure, if i got your question right. do you ask about btctc itself or companies listed on btctc?
CheckDavid: So. Imagine you are a company, and you issue stock through BTCTT.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.010001 = 12.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 4.01 = 24.06 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: Now imagine BTCTC goes offline and is discontinued. You lost the medium by which your shareholders, and maybe even you being your own shareholder, exchange that asset.
CheckDavid: HOw would you proceed from that point on?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.004451 = 0.4451 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 4 @ 0.00445 = 0.0178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0044 = 0.0088 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.00438 = 0.0263 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 570 @ 0.004302 = 2.4521 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 3017 @ 0.004301 = 12.9761 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.01 = 8.02 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: And whcih measures would you have taken as a responsible company manager?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 4.01 = 24.06 BTC [-]
emptyeddepended: but afaik issuers receive a list of shareholders periodically and they should be able to identify those (don't ask me how)
ozbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp - FAQ
emptyeddepended: so if btctc would go down, the issuer should know his shareholders and thus the ownership still prevails
ThickAsThieves: correct, but up to a day's worth of trading would be lost
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.04021 = 0.0804 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04169 BTC [-]
emptyeddepended: what do issuers know about their shareholders? their username?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 29 @ 0.04169 = 1.209 BTC [-]
emptyeddepended: if it would go down, how would you then link the username to a person?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0417 = 0.0834 BTC [+]
MJR_III: ok, just finished reading that thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04169 BTC [-]
MJR_III: ThickAsThieves and Chaang-Noi
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.031897 = 0.6379 BTC [+]
MJR_III: Chaang-Noi do you have any experience with PE or M&A?
MJR_III: read everything from eriks announcement to the present
MJR_III: ugh, is anyone else randomlh disconnecting?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0417 = 0.2085 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: Well, reading the FAQ just made more questions pop up in my mind
MJR_III: people seem to think that the main problem with sdice is mgmt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0417 = 0.2502 BTC [+]
MJR_III: Chaang-Noi I think you agreed with my other points about revenue, costs, and market share
MJR_III: but your issue is with mgmt
Chaang-Noi: what it is now, is not what it is in 4 months
Chaang-Noi: you cant see 2 months a head you are a sucker
MJR_III: when there is a problem with mgmt, and there is value that is unexploited...what would icahn do?
MJR_III: exactly, so what would icahn or anyone else do with a company that is leaving money on the table?
MJR_III: acquire it, extract max value
MJR_III: you could also cut it up first, but i dno't think sdice has more than one piece
MJR_III: so, activist investors/corporate raiders should be all over this
MJR_III: AND this perfectly explains why it can appear to have good fundamentals and yet still trade so low
MJR_III: lol, i think it would be trivial to avoid jail
MJR_III: just in that thread, there were like 5 good suggestions
MJR_III: which could prob double the share price
Chaang-Noi: all he had done in a year is blcok the usa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7179 @ 0.00080248 = 5.761 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0411 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.04063 = 1.3002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 44 @ 0.002001 = 0.088 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.31002215 = 1.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.011 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.041494 = 0.083 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 3 @ 0.048994 = 0.147 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0415 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041491 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 20 @ 0.018001 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 79 @ 0.017627 = 1.3925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 20 @ 0.0018 = 0.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 100 @ 0.048994 = 4.8994 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 3 @ 0.004699 = 0.0141 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.179995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.017627 = 0.1763 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0415 = 0.415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0415 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.17999 BTC [-]
matthew_boyd: Also, BTC price looks like it is slowly recovering
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.041487 = 0.5393 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04148889 BTC [-]
Namworld: This price drop ain't over till I say so...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 98 @ 0.0406211 = 3.9809 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.04051142 = 0.2026 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.04051 = 2.0255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.04050001 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.04050001 = 0.243 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.04030001 = 0.6045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0403 = 1.0075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 20 @ 0.017631 = 0.3526 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.01763 = 0.1763 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 63 @ 0.017627 = 1.1105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0403 = 0.0806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.041479 = 0.6222 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 87 @ 0.048994 = 4.2625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.0402 = 1.3266 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.041479 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041479 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041479 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.003999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0402 = 0.402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 29 @ 0.016005 = 0.4641 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0402 = 0.4422 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 33 @ 0.048994 = 1.6168 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.016006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.016006 = 0.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.04009 = 0.5613 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.016006 = 0.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 141 @ 0.0405 = 5.7105 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.64451, Best ask: 71.64452, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 71.64452, 24 hour volume: 30700.52615495, 24 hour low: 66.60001, 24 hour high: 72.00000, 24 hour vwap: 69.30064
gribble: There are currently 26091946 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10846488.9983 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0072 seconds
gribble: There are currently 143883.41 bitcoins offered at or under 1.11111111111e+20 USD, worth 2.8038266971e+12 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.0546 seconds
gribble: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.041479 = 0.7881 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.1939 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00079837 = 4.8701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00079688 = 5.618 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 243 @ 0.002278 = 0.5536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002279 = 0.4558 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 88 @ 0.002051 = 0.1805 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00205 = 0.0062 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.002002 = 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.002001 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.002 = 0.014 BTC [-]
Namworld: So hmm... anyone selling some BitPride currently?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002298 = 0.023 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.041485 = 0.4149 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.04148 = 0.083 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.041479 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.179995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.198985 = 12.597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.19899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 4.199 = 16.796 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.041498 = 1.4524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.0416 = 1.7056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 22 @ 0.009902 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 5 @ 0.004451 = 0.0223 BTC [-]
MJR_III: i'm chatting from the page on my site :)
topace_: can't believe there's nearly 30000 BTC "invested" in just-dice
Namworld: I keep trying to PM you without success
dub: bitpride hasnt exploded yet?
Namworld: What's the problem with BitPride?
dub: op is dumber than a box of hammers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 52 @ 0.0401 = 2.0852 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.04009 = 1.0023 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 58 @ 0.04001 = 2.3206 BTC [-]
dub: surprised he can tie own shoes let alone hold scam together this long
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.1939 = 1.5512 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.196 = 1.568 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.197 = 0.788 BTC [+]
MJR_III: just dice raised 30k bitcoins?
topace_: MJR_III, yea, as their betting pool
MJR_III: i thought that was a really cool way to do the betting pool
MJR_III: but their max win is like 280 btc
topace_: 1/100th of their betting pool
topace_: that max win changes as the pool gets bigger/smaller
rulother: What would be the best to go about selling a website for btc? I know they're a few sites out, but they all seem pretty scattered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0399 = 0.2394 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0399 = 0.1197 BTC [-]
MJR_III: how do you mean selling a website
MJR_III: is your website a business?
MJR_III: or do you mean front end design for a website
MJR_III: or do you mean a domain name
MJR_III: each scenario is very different
rulother: Yes to all the above really, they can buy the business and site. Or the site for its platform and work done to it.
rulother: Its a site I developed, but don't really have time for anymore
rulother: Wow.attrueshop.com it's current design is being changed atm, but the platform and such is more so the selling point imo
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0416 = 0.3744 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: what is one buying here, cms, brand, stock, something else?
rulother: The cms, brand if you want, there is no stock we did drop shipping most of the time.
kakobrekla: i doubt its worth much and you will have to cut price if you wanna sell for btc even further
rulother: You could easily change the site to fit another business.
kakobrekla: but whats the point of buying this then
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 43 @ 0.0177 = 0.7611 BTC [+]
rulother: Well the work done to the cms itself mostly, and if you wanted to run the business, the seo work is alrdy there
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 50 @ 0.0046 = 0.23 BTC [+]
rulother: I don't know about that, I would say with the seo easily a 1000
rulother: What would you say would be a fair price? I'm just curious really, better to make something off it than nothing at all
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.002 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: take up any offer you get is my adviec
dub: im not buying that pos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00079462 = 3.2182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 33 @ 0.0177 = 0.5841 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 18 @ 0.0315 = 0.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 4.18 = 41.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 4.199 = 25.194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.185 = 0.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007966 = 2.589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1252 @ 0.00079851 = 0.9997 BTC [+]
emptyeddepended: how do you spot a non-bitcoin-believer? watch out for "BitCoin"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0417 = 0.2085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0416 = 0.2912 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0415 = 0.1245 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.041479 = 0.3318 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.041479 = 0.9125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.017701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.017701 = 0.0531 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 14 @ 0.0177 = 0.2478 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 19 @ 0.048994 = 0.9309 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.041785 = 0.9611 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 160 @ 0.0177 = 2.832 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 4 @ 0.017628 = 0.0705 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 32 @ 0.017627 = 0.5641 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 70 @ 0.048994 = 3.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 70 @ 0.017627 = 1.2339 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 25 @ 0.048994 = 1.2249 BTC [-]
KRS: when did we reach the bottom
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.04001 = 0.4801 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 112 @ 0.0018 = 0.2016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.017987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15185 @ 0.00080341 = 12.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 148 @ 0.187 = 27.676 BTC [+]