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furuknap: I wrote my first programming language in Perl, though, somewhere in the mid-90s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00080893 = 12.0126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.0008104 = 6.4832 BTC [+]
furuknap: It was nice; the only language I've used that understood what you mean, even though you don't know how to phrase it.
furuknap: By 'It' I mean Perl, not my language.
benkay: what langs do you enjoy working in these days, furuknap?
furuknap: I'm not as focused on language as I am on design. Programming languages, to paraphrase someone far smarter than me, is to programming as telescopes are to astronomy.
furuknap: In short, I choose the language that makes sense for a task rather than choose tasks based on the languages I know.
furuknap: Generally, I spend less time learning a language than I do understanding the problems I need to solve.
benkay: what problem spaces are you involved in? that's a way more interesting topic...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 462 @ 0.040399 = 18.6643 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 537 @ 0.040499 = 21.748 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 136 @ 0.040499 = 5.5079 BTC [+]
ryan1894: opinions on bASIC and COGNITIVE?
mircea_popescu: basic still exists ?!
furuknap: These days, I work mostly with SharePoint in programming, and my goals is to get the world to improve the user experiences of SharePoint solutions.
ryan1894: yea it's somewhat tanking
kakobrekla: both are scam
ryan1894: why
mircea_popescu: you mean the failed van ryp "asic" ?
ryan1894: oh it's furuknap
furuknap: ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 9 @ 0.004 = 0.036 BTC
ryan1894: did you issue BFMINES knowing full well that achieving ROI is near impossible?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00081113 = 5.2723 BTC [+]
furuknap: Did you just use the word ROI without knowing what it means?
ryan1894: well i use it in the context of making back the principal
furuknap: So, you didn't know what it meant. That's fine, I'll just assume your assumption of the answer is funded on about as much insight.
ryan1894: ive read your blog
mircea_popescu: ryan1894 pretty much all mining shit is not going to make its money back.
mircea_popescu: you make ~30% as an average over the past coupla years.
ryan1894: is this only dividends?
mircea_popescu: it's whatever you're getting.
ryan1894: securities like COGNITIVE and aminer have been profitable though
mircea_popescu: then yuou have your answer right there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.040301 = 0.7254 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.178799 = 1.6092 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1788 = 0.5364 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1789 = 0.5367 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.18 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.82 = 1.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00081113 = 7.7868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.040002 = 2.8001 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: <troll> mpoe is the least profitable thing I ever invested in
thestringpuller: </troll>
kakobrekla: troll forgot to invest in bbet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0409 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 65 @ 0.04129999 = 2.6845 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002498 = 0.005 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I used bitbet to create a betting racket in my hometown
thestringpuller: we bet on teen pregnancies and relationship lifespans
thestringpuller: :D
Smoovious: some of those Muary-quality girls would be pretty lucrative I imagine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.041797 = 3.0094 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.0019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.871 = 1.742 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [-]
ll: !t h kcim
assbot: [HAVELOCK:KCIM] 1D: 0.85000000 / 0.89688889 / 1.03000000 (9 shares, 8.07200000 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.86876768 / 1.03000000 (65 shares, 56.46989900 BTC), 30D: 0.60000000 / 0.9291314 / 1.16990000 (100 shares, 92.91313990 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 2 @ 0.04897 = 0.0979 BTC [+]
ll: !t h vtx
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.55400000 / 0.77292071 / 0.99800000 (280 shares, 216.41779954 BTC), 7D: 0.47000000 / 0.64328104 / 0.99800000 (559 shares, 359.59410054 BTC), 30D: 0.41520000 / 0.54700949 / 0.99800000 (1200 shares, 656.41139132 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.002498 = 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.041099 = 0.0822 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.020297 = 0.0406 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 5 @ 0.020298 = 0.1015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.9 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 15 @ 0.00395 = 0.0593 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 485 @ 0.004 = 1.94 BTC [+]
furuknap: BTCT struggling...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 811 @ 0.041001 = 33.2518 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE
furuknap: And that would be..?
thestringpuller: I'm being brought up on disciplinary charges!
thestringpuller: WAIT
thestringpuller: that's not good news at all!!!
furuknap: What did you to this time?
bgupta: ryan1894: Anyone issuing PMBs is betting buyers of the securities won't make back their principal, or they wouldn't be issuing/selling them. furuknap would have to be an idiot to not be aware that buyers of BFMINE will likely never make back their principle. (The one scenario where it might payback is if btc crashed down to almost nothing and everyone stopped mining, causing difficulty to drop, however he has
bgupta: clause in his prospectus to prevent loss in such a scenario.)
bgupta: (And allowing him to buy back)
furuknap: You may have missed the memo.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041099 BTC [+]
bgupta: furuknap: I'll bite. Which memo would that be?
furuknap: 1) I'm buying into my own asset. I would have to be an equal idiot to do that, knowing that I would never make my money back, right?
furuknap: 2) I already answered your question several times; I'm more likely to get a higher ROI if I have cash in hand than the average investor because I actually follow the market and invest significant time to stay on top.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.040521 = 4.0521 BTC [-]
furuknap: 3) If mining stopped, both the investors and I would make huge amounts of money, so the price would skyrocket and the buy-back price would be impossible for me to pay.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.170001 = 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 224 @ 0.040512 = 9.0747 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: wow
ThickAsThieves: has a bigger load of bullshit ever landed on this channel?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 44 @ 0.00249 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 5 @ 0.02029 = 0.1015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
Blastbob: someone might be butthurt :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.041979 = 1.3853 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: this btc price :/
Chaang-Noi: and this AM price....
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 5 @ 0.02029 = 0.1015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 391 @ 0.002499 = 0.9771 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC [+]
parseval: I like that insurance idea, furuknap
furuknap: Which insurance idea?
parseval: For the btc-tc hot wallet
furuknap: Ah, yeah, I think that would make sense. I suggested it to burnside in private a while back, but he gets a lot of suggestions :-)
ryan1894: man i wish avalon would ship
parseval: Yeah, I had some ideas too, but more on the technical side. Not that I particularly need the hot wallet myself, but it was an interesting problem to try to solve.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/5/4496852/adblock-plus-eye-google-whitelist
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ThickAsThieves: start coding your AdWorss Blocker
ThickAsThieves: profit.
ThickAsThieves: adwords*
thestringpuller: what's more dangerous Detroit or Chicago?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.27 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker btctc Asciminer-pt
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
thestringpuller: !ticker btctc Asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 4 / 4.27245 / 4.71 (467 shares, 1995.2 BTC), 7D: 3.4 / 4.44531 / 5.17 (5783 shares, 25707.2 BTC), 30D: 2.15 / 3.36094 / 5.17 (18260 shares, 61370.8 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: <thestringpuller> what's more dangerous Detroit or Chicago? Parts of Chicago
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 109 @ 0.029699 = 3.2372 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [+]
benkay: chaang-noi, why do you copy what everyone says in your responses?
benkay: the string to which you're responding, less idiotically phrased.
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 10 @ 0.0297 = 0.297 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.042485 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: <benkay> chaang-noi, why do you copy what everyone says in your responses? im cool like that :)
benkay: incompetence, then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00080825 = 0.6466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00080819 = 9.5366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00080541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8240 @ 0.0008054 = 6.6365 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0025 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 81 @ 0.040512 = 3.2815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.04051111 = 6.0767 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.040511 = 2.1876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 61 @ 0.039501 = 2.4096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.0395 = 9.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.039499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0392 = 0.2744 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.03911001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.03910801 = 0.3911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.03830001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0383 = 3.83 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 157 @ 0.03816 = 5.9911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.03815 = 0.0763 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.038117 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.038112 = 1.9056 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 88 @ 0.0381 = 3.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.037324 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.037322 = 0.3732 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.03714319 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0369 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 523 @ 0.03663366 = 19.1594 BTC [-]
Blastbob: nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.041201 = 2.0601 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0412 = 0.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.041099 = 0.822 BTC [-]
ryan1894: oh wow
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.042483 = 0.2124 BTC [+]
Blastbob: what happend on havelock :)
Blastbob: someone added a extra zer0
Blastbob: or someone got hacked? :)
ThickAsThieves: or someone wants to cash out
Blastbob: yea i accually read them as full AM shares
Blastbob: time to go to bed
Blastbob: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.179949 BTC [+]
asswatch: I don't want to tell mircea_popescu how to do his job or anything, but I think it's time to lay on the hyperbole and aggrandizement for ministry of games. Does anyone have any idea how awesome the game is going to be?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.02029 = 0.0406 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.299995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.038365 = 0.0767 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asswatch depends when.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 29 @ 0.038498 = 1.1164 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eventually it'll be pretty awesome im sure.
furuknap: Aaand Ciphermine feel 40%...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.00099 = 0.0059 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.337925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.038498 = 2.6949 BTC [+]
asswatch: for the huge launch, though, needs embellishment. It has been at least thoroughly researched or something right? The technology is a several steps beyond next generation everything?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00099 = 0.099 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.12 = 20.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.1 = 8.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.063 = 12.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 20 @ 0.0017 = 0.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040821 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.04082 = 0.1633 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040811 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04081 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 10 @ 0.001941 = 0.0194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04081 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040807 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040803 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040803 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040803 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0407 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04061 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0406 = 0.2842 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.0406 = 1.7052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0406 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0405 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.040219 = 0.5228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 84 @ 0.00099 = 0.0832 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 109 @ 0.03999901 = 4.3599 BTC [+]
furuknap: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.83000, Best ask: 68.83499, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 68.84000, 24 hour volume: 93000.15609641, 24 hour low: 65.42448, 24 hour high: 79.89999, 24 hour vwap: 70.67927
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.04022 = 0.0804 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.040219 = 0.4826 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.04001 = 0.5201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 94 @ 0.004499 = 0.4229 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 236 @ 0.00467 = 1.1021 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.041 = 2.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.039997 = 5.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.039997 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.039997 = 0.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.179949 = 1.6195 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.17995 = 1.7995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.03999499 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.040011 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.0416 = 1.9968 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0416 = 0.5408 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.04001 = 0.3201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.062008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4859 @ 0.0008025 = 3.8993 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00080201 = 2.2055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1091 @ 0.00079817 = 0.8708 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 35 @ 0.00467 = 0.1635 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 75 @ 0.001802 = 0.1352 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 827 @ 0.001802 = 1.4903 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 5 @ 0.001802 = 0.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 402 @ 0.0018 = 0.7236 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 15 @ 0.00176 = 0.0264 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 29 @ 0.001759 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 4.07 = 81.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 133 @ 0.00185 = 0.2461 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.040011 = 0.3201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.04001 = 0.4401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.040011 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 24 @ 0.00161 = 0.0386 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00467 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 38 @ 0.02029 = 0.771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 72 @ 0.020298 = 1.4615 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 57 @ 0.020298 = 1.157 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 25 @ 0.0204 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.020497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 7 @ 0.020498 = 0.1435 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0405 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.04 = 0.64 BTC [-]
furuknap: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 245029 | Current Difficulty: 2.1335329113983E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 245951 | Next Difficulty In: 922 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 8 hours, 39 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24667284.0186 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.61708
furuknap: ;;nethash
gribble: 175663.636948
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00080396 = 2.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293 @ 0.000805 = 0.2359 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.040999 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.062002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 228 @ 0.00467 = 1.0648 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 212 @ 0.0047 = 0.9964 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5766 @ 0.000805 = 4.6416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1704 @ 0.00080575 = 1.373 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.040201 = 2.0101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0402 = 0.201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.0401 = 2.2055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.04001 = 0.5201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.04 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.039999 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 28 @ 0.053 = 1.484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.039998 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.040002 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.040001 = 0.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00079921 = 6.1539 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.179997 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.179998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.18 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 11 @ 0.1807 = 1.9877 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0391 = 0.391 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.03900013 = 0.117 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 107 @ 0.03900012 = 4.173 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.03900012 = 0.117 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.037 = 0.592 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 229 @ 0.036901 = 8.4503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 78 @ 0.036901 = 2.8783 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.036901 = 0.9963 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 134 @ 0.0369 = 4.9446 BTC [-]
furuknap: Whoops.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.040301 = 0.8866 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.039995 BTC [+]
benkay: whoops?
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 446 @ 0.001611 = 0.7185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1201 @ 0.00161 = 1.9336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00079921 = 5.7943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00079817 = 0.1995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.040305 = 0.2015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.040012 = 0.6802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1463 @ 0.00080251 = 1.1741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18124 @ 0.00080529 = 14.5951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2713 @ 0.00080603 = 2.1868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.193899 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9852 @ 0.00080603 = 7.941 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.040893 = 0.2863 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.180697 = 0.7228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.180698 = 1.4456 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.169995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040893 = 0.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00080603 = 2.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040893 = 0.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.0701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00080603 = 12.0098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 20 @ 0.02 = 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.039996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2085 @ 0.00080603 = 1.6806 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00080725 = 11.7859 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 30 @ 0.02 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8202 @ 0.00080904 = 6.6357 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17031 @ 0.00080865 = 13.7721 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.063 = 8.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.062002 = 8.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.062001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.062001 = 20.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 4.062 = 24.372 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 26 @ 0.0047 = 0.1222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.0612 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.189798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 4.189799 = 33.5184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.170005 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.040893 = 0.4907 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 68 @ 0.049181 = 3.3443 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.0037 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 7 @ 0.00362 = 0.0253 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 45 @ 0.009903 = 0.4456 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 755 @ 0.009902 = 7.476 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.009902 = 0.9902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040893 = 0.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.0047 = 0.0282 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001995 = 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.0047 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.001995 = 0.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.00152 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 248 @ 0.00152 = 0.377 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 20 @ 0.0047 = 0.094 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 8 @ 0.0297 = 0.2376 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 20 @ 0.016005 = 0.3201 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 94 @ 0.0385 = 3.619 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.040896 = 1.4314 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040896 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.189799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 55 @ 0.004 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.040896 = 0.5725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.040897 = 1.4723 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.189799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.199 = 20.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.198001 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.040896 = 0.3681 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.00194 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00080904 = 3.4384 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002373 = 0.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.040897 = 0.5726 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002372 = 0.4744 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0409 = 1.0225 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 36 @ 0.002373 = 0.0854 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 20 @ 0.004 = 0.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.016005 = 0.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 3 @ 0.001941 = 0.0058 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.002499 = 0.0625 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.040131 = 0.4414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6369 @ 0.00080904 = 5.1528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0008103 = 7.6979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231 @ 0.00081185 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0409 = 0.2045 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0385 = 0.154 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.03845 = 0.4614 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.03821 = 0.6496 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.038 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.03795 = 0.8349 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 48 @ 0.037922 = 1.8203 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0375 = 3.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.041799 = 0.2926 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.020497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.199 = 12.597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.041799 = 0.1672 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0418 = 0.5434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00081185 = 15.9934 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0418 BTC [+]
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.94267, Best ask: 74.96998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02731, Last trade: 74.93867, 24 hour volume: 90237.49734351, 24 hour low: 65.42448, 24 hour high: 77.76191, 24 hour vwap: 70.11701
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.29 = 8.58 BTC [+]
parseval: There sure are a lot of MPEx tickers
Namworld: I haven't seen much lately...
parseval: I just mean in total
Namworld: Oh, you mean all the futures/options
parseval: there are like a hundred of them, they make my page's navigation stretch down past the pagefold
parseval: I should fix that into subgroups
parseval: I'm importing the assbot history to production now, from now back to feb
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.15 = 12.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.1404 = 8.2808 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.040606 = 0.7715 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0418 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.1404 = 8.2808 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.040606 = 1.2588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.040605 = 2.0303 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.040605 = 0.203 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.002499 = 0.0075 BTC [+]
parseval: And done :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 5 @ 0.001941 = 0.0097 BTC [+]
ryan1894: is this coinflow?
ryan1894: oh its the irc bot
parseval: Yeah, it's the charting site, fed by the irc bots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00081059 = 12.9694 BTC [-]
parseval: and apis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00080865 = 5.3371 BTC [-]
ryan1894: how does one make a site like coinflow?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [+]
parseval: Just collect all of the data, then find some pleasant way to display it
ryan1894: is it jQuery?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 82 @ 0.0291 = 2.3862 BTC [-]
parseval: Part of the javascript charts are jquery and highstock charting software
parseval: The backend is django and python
ryan1894: eh why are so many modern websites written in python
parseval: with some task scheduling thrown in via message queue
parseval: Python's quick to code, at least relative to Java or PHP, and has a huge set of libraries behind it
ryan1894: so coinflow is basically scraping -> nice site
parseval: Performance wise it's not the greatest, but there's cpython and such
ryan1894: right?
parseval: Yeah, pretty much. I poll the API for BTC-TC and have an irc bot to monitor the bitfunder and bitcoin-assets bot announcements
parseval: Eventually I want to get entirely on the APIs, but not all of the sites have APIs with historic data.. that shouldn't be a problem now, so I can implement streaming from the websockets or something to be less dependent on the irc bots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14345 @ 0.00081185 = 11.646 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 38 @ 0.0047 = 0.1786 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.028503 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.299971 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 114 @ 0.020497 = 2.3367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00081184 = 4.0592 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00081185 = 5.1147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00080881 = 13.7093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00080865 = 5.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.180499 = 1.083 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1805 = 0.5415 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 13 @ 0.1807 = 2.3491 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.181 = 0.543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.039482 = 1.9741 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 13 @ 0.198501 = 2.5805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.1985 = 1.985 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.039498 = 1.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.198 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.1975 = 1.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.197 = 1.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 47 @ 0.1966 = 9.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1405 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.039498 = 11.8494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.041747 = 0.9602 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.020497 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041747 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13888 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.13 = 12.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.11 = 20.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.040603 = 1.0151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 250 @ 0.004 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 20 @ 0.02001 = 0.4002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 188 @ 0.02 = 3.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 195 @ 0.049181 = 9.5903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00080891 = 2.9121 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.170104 = 1.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.170103 = 1.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.170102 = 1.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1701 = 0.5103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 27 @ 0.170002 = 4.5901 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.11 = 8.22 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/if-youre-using-wp-super-cache/
ozbot: If you’re using WP Super Cache… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00080865 = 19.2863 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1391 @ 0.001941 = 2.6999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 100 @ 0.001942 = 0.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 625 @ 0.001944 = 1.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 100 @ 0.001975 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 4.08 = 12.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.039494 = 5.9636 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.179 = 1.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.179995 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.181 = 0.543 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3034 @ 0.00080865 = 2.4534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.19374799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00205096 = 1.4357 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.040603 = 1.0151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040602 = 0.406 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0402 = 0.804 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.03949 = 5.963 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.039491 = 1.0663 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0401 = 0.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.04003 = 1.321 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.04002 = 1.3207 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.040001 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00080455 = 9.5339 BTC [-]
jimmy2k: is theymos sometimes here?
pigeons: jimmy2k: try #bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 84 @ 0.02969 = 2.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.029693 = 0.5939 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 15 @ 0.029694 = 0.4454 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 15 @ 0.029698 = 0.4455 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 73 @ 0.0297 = 2.1681 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 52 @ 0.039479 = 2.0529 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.03948 = 2.0924 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 45 @ 0.039491 = 1.7771 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.0273 = 0.546 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.027225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 179 @ 0.027222 = 4.8727 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.039498 = 0.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.039498 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 40 @ 0.0198 = 0.792 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.0197 = 1.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 59 @ 0.01962 = 1.1576 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040011 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.02 = 0.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 50 @ 0.02 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld were you in quebec ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 20 @ 0.049181 = 0.9836 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/node/476089#comment-3725102 << lol
ozbot: Margin Calls Coming On US Too-Big-To-Fail Banks | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.8 = 3.2 BTC [-]
Namworld: If I were? The city or the province?
mircea_popescu: apparently it just exploded
Namworld: It just exploded? Someone nuked the city of Quebec?
Namworld: Sounds plausible...
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: apparently some fuel train
mircea_popescu: http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/estrie/2013/07/06/001-explosion-lac-megantic-train.shtml
Namworld: Yup. Nuke mushroom.
Namworld: (fake)
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: is it a fake report ?~!
furuknap: Doesn't look fake to me.
Namworld: No, fake nuke
Namworld: It's fuel mushroom
mircea_popescu: a a
Namworld: That's kinda remote town... but ouch.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00080455 = 1.2068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0008043 = 2.8151 BTC [-]
Namworld: https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=lac+megantic&ie=UTF8&ll=45.996962,-70.059814&spn=4.808363,13.809814&safe=off&hnear=Lac-M%C3%A9gantic,+Le+Granit+Regional+County+Municipality,+Quebec&gl=ca&t=h&z=7
ozbot: lac megantic - Google Maps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0008043 = 2.5738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.040021 = 0.7604 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.040021 = 0.8404 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.019621 = 1.9621 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019621 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 53 @ 0.01962 = 1.0399 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 99 @ 0.019608 = 1.9412 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.040021 = 0.9605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.040789 = 2.0395 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.04079 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.04099 = 0.4099 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: whats the time there now, 10?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 383 @ 0.00469 = 1.7963 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.001802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 399 @ 0.001802 = 0.719 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: imagine how it must suck to be nicely minding your own business atop some choice canadian pussy at 1 in the morning when suddenly they want you to move!!!
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 3 @ 0.048007 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 10 @ 0.048001 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 5 @ 0.046401 = 0.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 2 @ 0.0464 = 0.0928 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.00131 = 0.0066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 3 @ 0.00131 = 0.0039 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.0013 = 0.0026 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.001281 = 0.1281 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 200 @ 0.00128 = 0.256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00127 = 0.0127 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00126 = 0.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 159 @ 0.001255 = 0.1995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 16 @ 0.00125 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00125 = 0.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.053 = 0.212 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.0503 = 0.2012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.0502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.050002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-04/say-hello-inflation-inflation-dead
ozbot: Say Hello to Inflation, Inflation is Dead | Zero Hedge
mircea_popescu: o looky, americans are starting to wise up to the fact the dollar inflation is about 10% a year.
mircea_popescu: only took em half a decade.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.04003 = 0.4003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.040021 = 1.2006 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.040011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.04001 = 2.4806 BTC [-]
jimmy2k: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251186.new#new
ozbot: 22000 USD SCAM because of Phishing and Bank Transfer Chargeback
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 5 @ 0.00469 = 0.0235 BTC [-]
jimmy2k: thx for any kind of help
rulother-tab: What now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.039498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.039499 = 0.079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0008043 = 3.8606 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jimmy2k so you had the entire history pulled back.
mircea_popescu: how long ago was the first payment from the scammer ?
jimmy2k: last week wednesday i think
mircea_popescu: and the funds were pulled thursday ie two days ago ?
jimmy2k: last week friday was the freezing of my bank account and the accusation against me
mircea_popescu: aha so days apart.
jimmy2k: yeah friday of last week was the chargeback of the money from the first transaction
kakobrekla: sepa chargeback eh
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: sucks jimmy2k
kakobrekla: the world aint what it used to be
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 5 @ 0.04918 = 0.2459 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 145 @ 0.049181 = 7.1312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: payment, so that I can be sure that I will receive the money on the next day! After that a really strange thing happened! He sent me the login data for his clients online banking account and told me I should just log in and check for a proof! This was completely suspicious to me and I immediately decided to go to the police the next day... Then everything changed...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.29899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ouch. you actually did that jimmy2k ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.019204 = 1.9204 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 41 @ 0.019203 = 0.7873 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.019 = 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [-]
jimmy2k: you mean whether I logged in?
mircea_popescu: yes
jimmy2k: yes, because I thought thats a joke or something and just wanted to try it. Also I thought if it would be fraud why should he provide me this info to cause suspision. so i thought i just log in and check. i mean i couldnt do anything without the tans anyway
jimmy2k: after i was in I felt that here is something strange going on and immediately logged of
mircea_popescu: see, it was a trap.
mircea_popescu: you logging in from your home links you to the phishing he was doing.
jimmy2k: I told this the police so that i am free of any danger
mircea_popescu: you telling is not necessarily you being believed.
mircea_popescu: have you hired a lawyer yet ?
jimmy2k: yes, but the data was posted in the chat too and i can prove that i only logged in after receivinig the data from him
jimmy2k: so i think this is not dangerous for me. the only thing is really to get my fu... money back
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.045201 = 0.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.0452 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.04 = 0.36 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let me explain something to you. if you are named as an accessory to identity theft computer fraud etc,
mircea_popescu: you will spend way more than 22k on legal fees over the next decade.
Apocalyptic: logging in was really a dumb move
mircea_popescu: ima write this one up, it's fucking devious.
Diablo-D3: are we still discussing this one?
mircea_popescu: yes. it's pretty remarkable tbh.
jimmy2k: mircea_popescu, you are right. the police anyway doesnt cost me money
jimmy2k: I wont use a lawyer for doing research since i dont think he can help me here much
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.04099 = 0.4099 BTC [+]
jimmy2k: I just asked him some stuff about my situation and what moves would be best to do next
jimmy2k: and about things like accusing the phishing victims for not taking care of their data
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.298999 = 21.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.295 = 21.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.039499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.0008043 = 12.5471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00080395 = 23.6361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00079914 = 16.2625 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6685 @ 0.00079835 = 5.337 BTC [-]
rulother-tab: No good TV is on
mircea_popescu: jimmy2k sounds reasonable.
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 65 @ 0.049181 = 3.1968 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.049181 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.039499 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 50 @ 0.049181 = 2.4591 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.041685 = 0.1251 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: http://www.google.com/landing/solarimpulse/
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 39 @ 0.001987 = 0.0775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.041685 = 0.792 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.041685 = 1.1672 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jimmy2k http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/vultures-vultures-everywhere/
mircea_popescu: there, you inspire.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.29495 = 8.5899 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.041686 = 0.9588 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.041688 = 0.3335 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.04169 = 0.2085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.041709 = 1.7518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041748 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0418 = 0.3344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0422 = 0.211 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0422 = 0.211 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0423 = 0.423 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.042336 = 0.9737 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00080091 = 17.8202 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1799 = 0.5397 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.181 = 0.724 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.019799 = 0.0396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.0198 = 0.198 BTC [+]
furuknap: mp: lieing should be lying
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 5 @ 0.00469 = 0.0235 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: tis the sort of article that should be linked weekly
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.042399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.130003 = 20.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 98 @ 0.0025 = 0.245 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 302 @ 0.0025 = 0.755 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ty!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00080091 = 3.3534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00080163 = 5.0904 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 25 @ 0.004 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.042299 = 0.846 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.042299 = 0.6345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 25 @ 0.00469 = 0.1173 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 4 @ 0.004 = 0.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.042299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2613 @ 0.00080327 = 2.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00080461 = 13.1956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00080589 = 6.2054 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 75 @ 0.001999 = 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0025 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0421 = 0.1263 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.039499 = 2.0934 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.039499 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.004272 = 0.4272 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.039499 = 3.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 40 @ 0.001999 = 0.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.151 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://nerdr.com/bitcoin-exchange-scam-bitcoins-are-worthless/
mircea_popescu: the jig.
ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Scam – Bitcoins Are Now Worthless | NERDr.com
mircea_popescu: "We all know Bitcoin is a sham, it’s a pyramid scheme"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 4 @ 0.004 = 0.016 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Is, and always will be a scam… You can’t even find a real answer about bitcoins, even after you dig for hours through hundreds of links. Useless programs, useless dead sites, useless"
mircea_popescu: it's pretty fucking great.
Blastbob: their adsetup is a scam :)
mircea_popescu: well tha'ts ok, cause it's theirs.
mircea_popescu: i've noticed this, miost of the "real truth" sites have horrible ad arrangements.
Blastbob: if you report that setup to google, they might get banned
Namworld: I'm not quite sure 2 banners, one on each side, is ground to a ban...
Blastbob: you dont see the one in the middle also?
Namworld: The nature of the content or an excess of ad units can be, however, I believe.
Blastbob: thats the same size as the left and right ones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.039499 = 0.2765 BTC [+]
Blastbob: The above the fold setup is one big ad for me
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone gives a shit about some obscure blogger that knows shit he doesn't understand.
Namworld: Oh, yes. It was little on first page load.
Namworld: Just a single, small text ad
Namworld: I refreshed tho, now it's a large unit.
Blastbob: :)
Namworld: Still, ad units spliting the text isn't banned either per se...
Namworld: and I think they have a 3 google ads units per page limit...
Namworld: If, for example, they put an ad unit right over/under navigation links and styled them so they look similar/identical, that would be against their rules, tho
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.25 = 8.5 BTC [+]
Blastbob: maybe, been dealing with google alot before. They use every little error to fuck with you
Namworld: Or other similar confusing tactics
furuknap: "I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; their are 3 main users of Bitcoin. The Money cleaners/tax evaders. Those involved in non-legal activities. The Greedy." I'll pick '"none of the above" for 200, Alex.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.040422 = 0.1213 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alex knows best. besides, no true scotsman.
benkay: comments are gold
benkay: "Note, they DO pay-out small transactions, in hope that you TRUST them with MORE MONEY. Them who? Russian and German Mafia? Potheads? Mexican Cartell?"
benkay: can potheads even scam?
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 20 @ 0.049083 = 0.9817 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.039499 = 3.9499 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: I think it's miss Cartell.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.16 = 8.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 175 @ 0.039499 = 6.9123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [+]
benkay: scams are much more readily prosecuted when you can distract a sucker with multi-channel comms
benkay: hence miss cartell
mircea_popescu: hmm
benkay: ugh that's not coming across correctly
benkay: disregard. making more coffee.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.155002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 2 @ 0.001801 = 0.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 6 @ 0.001801 = 0.0108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 4 @ 0.001801 = 0.0072 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.001799 = 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 100 @ 0.0018 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 25 @ 0.00177 = 0.0443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 614 @ 0.00175 = 1.0745 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 300 @ 0.00175 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0395 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 68 @ 0.029979 = 2.0386 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.02998 = 0.5996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 11 @ 0.029988 = 0.3299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.040431 = 2.0216 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.04043 = 0.8086 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.040424 = 1.2531 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.040404 = 0.8081 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0404 = 0.606 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 410 @ 0.004 = 1.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.04149 = 0.5809 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.03949801 = 0.079 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.039498 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 47 @ 0.001601 = 0.0752 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 4.21 = 8.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0399 = 3.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00080776 = 21.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 23 @ 0.005501 = 0.1265 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 201 @ 0.001799 = 0.3616 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 100 @ 0.0018 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.3515 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.041479 = 0.1659 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.041479 = 0.8296 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0025 = 0.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 9 @ 0.049083 = 0.4417 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.041479 = 0.2489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00080814 = 9.9401 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.041005 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 42 @ 0.049083 = 2.0615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04129 = 0.0826 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.183898 = 0.5517 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.183899 = 1.839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1839 = 0.9195 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.002199 = 0.0088 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 4.151 = 33.208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 4.15 = 16.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 4.142 = 20.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 4.13 = 41.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.128888 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.041479 = 0.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 2 @ 0.001998 = 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 48 @ 0.001999 = 0.096 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 5 @ 0.001999 = 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 1 @ 0.001999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 376 @ 0.0025 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00252 = 0.0101 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 120 @ 0.00255 = 0.306 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 4 @ 0.049083 = 0.1963 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.019699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00080776 = 16.5906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00080756 = 2.929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.002199 = 0.033 BTC [-]
furuknap: Plance crash in SF?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041479 BTC [+]
furuknap: https://twitter.com/search?q=sfo&src=typd
ozbot: Twitter / Search - sfo
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.1839 = 1.2873 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.184 = 0.736 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.184 = 1.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.186 = 0.372 BTC [+]
rulother-tab: Looks like I sold a little early on that one
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00251 = 0.0151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 3 @ 0.004689 = 0.0141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8923 @ 0.00080756 = 7.2059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1614 @ 0.00080683 = 1.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2391 @ 0.00080658 = 1.9285 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 9 @ 0.004689 = 0.0422 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00243 = 0.0073 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.002199 = 0.0066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.030299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 2 @ 0.001999 = 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4616 @ 0.00080814 = 3.7304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5034 @ 0.00080891 = 4.0721 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0021 = 0.0042 BTC [-]
jurov: http://nerdr.com/bitcoin-exchange-scam-bitcoins-are-worthless/ << wasn't that nejc kodric?
ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Scam – Bitcoins Are Now Worthless | NERDr.com
mircea_popescu: not even sure who that is
jurov: lol what a company: https://twitter.com/btclondon/status/351988744968089601/photo/1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.040611 = 2.0306 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i dun see no skateboards
mircea_popescu: the rising stars of the ecosystem what ?
mircea_popescu: is this from the first ever second conference in london ?
jurov: no, from this recent one. got it from nejc's twitter
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.041479 = 0.1659 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.00251 = 0.0301 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 50 @ 0.00464 = 0.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://i-like-pancakes.tumblr.com/post/54092895998/what-god-modding-looks-like
mircea_popescu: funniest shit i read all day : rp butthurt.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 4 @ 0.004 = 0.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.8 = 8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 3 @ 0.00362 = 0.0109 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.00361 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 4 @ 0.001999 = 0.008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00080891 = 7.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.041479 = 0.4148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 150 @ 0.004 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1299 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.1299 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.04099 = 0.4919 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.01902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.01901 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 15 @ 0.019 = 0.285 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 75 @ 0.019 = 1.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.040501 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.186 = 2.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.04098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 41 @ 0.030299 = 1.2423 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.0303 = 0.606 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 9 @ 0.03049 = 0.2744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 2 @ 0.030497 = 0.061 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 15 @ 0.030499 = 0.4575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 109 @ 0.00099 = 0.1079 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 17 @ 0.031 = 0.527 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 47 @ 0.001899 = 0.0893 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0409 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BMF] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]
furuknap: ;;nethash
gribble: 175663.636948
furuknap: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 245169 | Current Difficulty: 2.1335329113983E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 245951 | Next Difficulty In: 782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25127864.7628 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.77585
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5424 @ 0.00080573 = 4.3703 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 25 @ 0.019 = 0.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040958 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5273 @ 0.00080891 = 4.2654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00080901 = 6.7148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1060 @ 0.00080941 = 0.858 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 31 @ 0.004296 = 0.1332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.001651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 3 @ 0.00168 = 0.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 50 @ 0.00168 = 0.084 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.041006 = 0.4101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 9 @ 0.00162 = 0.0146 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004689 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [AMC-PT] 13 @ 0.00162 = 0.0211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.041479 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.040959 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00191 = 0.0057 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 107 @ 0.049083 = 5.2519 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00243 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 26 @ 0.049083 = 1.2762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4641 @ 0.00080941 = 3.7565 BTC [+]
cads: hey has anyone done a study about the marketing impact that offering bitcoin payments in webstores has on traditional payments?
cads: one basic question - when would offering bitcoin tend to scare off regular customers?
cads: and vice versa - when would regular customers be more likely to purchase from you because they see that you also take bitcoin?
cads: I'm sure similar questions have been asked in the past by vendors considering adding, for example, a paypal payment option to their webstore
cads: or by traditional stored considering accepting credit card payment in addition to cash payments
cads: in the last case, at some point, store owners may have feared that accepting credit cards might not bring enough customers to justify the cost of the machine
cads: in the case of bitcoin, in the current atmosphere, web store owners might worry that adding bitcoin payment options might de-legitimize their business in the eyes of many customers
cads: this is because many people are afraid, mistrusting, or simply ignorant of bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 1.42 BTC [+]
emptyeddepended: do you think so? i'd say it depends on the website. if it's filled with hundreds of shady payment choices, it's not good anyway, but i see no reason to not accept bitcoin. most people don't know about it and the worst reaction which could happen might be "what? bitcoin? isn't that the internet currency? wow.. it really gets attention nowadays"
cads: yeah
emptyeddepended: but i can't supply hard facts though :/
emptyeddepended: there are some bigger players already accepting.. like wordpress
emptyeddepended: and spotify soon
cads: if your customers are techies, there's a good chance that adding that bitcoin payment button will increase customer conversion rates even in customers that don't use bitcoin
mircea_popescu: cads i really have no idea who'd be repelled by bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11793 @ 0.000807 = 9.517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00080573 = 5.3791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00080492 = 4.3466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7830 @ 0.00080364 = 6.2925 BTC [-]
emptyeddepended: cads do you plan integrating bitcoin or just asking out of curiosity?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00080347 = 7.3919 BTC [-]
cads: the former
cads: mircea_popescu: there is a large fraction of regular people that are instinctively mistrustful of bitcoin - there has been talk of people using it for tax evasion and money laundering, there is bitcoin's use in the silk road that leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths.
cads: worst, there has been talk about government sanctions of the digital currency - lots of regular late adopters and conservative types instinctively avoid it
cads: but then a webstore catering to early adopters, techies, and people with an anarchocapitalist bent, I'm sure bitcoin support can be a boon.
cads: *for a webstore
jurov: and there's that "it's just ponzi" kind
cads: I'm wondering if there's any business data available here.
cads: I have an idea of how a webstore could test what effect bitcoin support has on its conversion rate
cads: and this could be fairly discreet
mircea_popescu: a/b split ?
cads: simply give a small percentage of your customers the option to use bitcoin
kakobrekla: i doubt that thing is measurable
cads: and analyze the conversion rate
jurov: counting referrals from bitcoin-related sites?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've yet to comprehend this. i think paying attention to what people say (like on their own shitty blogs) is a waste.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.04148 = 0.2489 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nobody will NOT use a service they were going to use because there's more ways to pay than the one they use
mircea_popescu: it's not yet happened, this.
cads: okay, so
mircea_popescu: like, not go to a restaurant because they take both visa and maestro and you hjate maestro ? lol.
cads: your store says "we now take drugs as payment!"
cads: ...
jurov: that's hardly comparable
mircea_popescu: indeed.
cads: to my thought, this could easily reduce the legitimacy of your store
jurov: the "ponzi" people are vocal, but very few
mircea_popescu: i mean sure there's idiots boycotting this or that because they kill bunnies or w/e.
emptyeddepended: cads news reports aren't that bad, are they?
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone cares. the recent internet bullshit trying to bother some restaurant resulted in more customers rather than less.
cads: emptyeddepended: I dunno, there was talk about BTC receiving scrutiny from a US financial regulatory body recently
cads: mt gox had one of its stateside accounts frozen, or something
jurov: there was much bigger talk about that winklevoess etf nonsense
cads: My point being that the average person who has a 50% chance of not having hear about bitcoin at all, will, if you ask them about it, with 80% probability tell you that what they've heard about it is worrying
cads: at least here in the states, the average person may be more optimistic in europe
jurov: cads, you're now just pulling numbers out of the ass
jurov: we have google trends and other stuff you can actually use
jurov: instead of worrying here ;)
cads: jurov: who's worried, lol
emptyeddepended: how does google trends help in this matter?
emptyeddepended: google news + "bitcoin" would do though :)
jurov: it tries to show most influential news. you can check whether they are pos or neg
benkay: +1 for split testing
emptyeddepended: i see
cads: I'm simply proposing an experiment, and suggesting that my real life experience interviewing various people (people who are _not_, as a rule, very connected to the social network sphere or the blogsphere) suggests that BTC is a point of contention for many people.
cads: this is not a bad thing, don't treat me as if I'm trying to rain on some parade
benkay: split test all the things
benkay: data is the ultimate arbiter
cads: I agree there
emptyeddepended: no, don''t get me wrong. i honor your opinion, but i for myself are super bullish and optimistic
jurov: point of contention is different than worrying
benkay: let's reframe then, shall we?
cads: sure
emptyeddepended: here is another scenario: let's say people do think bitcoin is bad. what do you think would happen, if amazon.com announces they start accepting btc?
benkay: has anyone tested impact of accepting btc on conversion rates?
jurov: kim dotcom?
mircea_popescu: so far namecheap is taking btc, i have yet to hear any bitchin'.
jurov: or wordpress
mircea_popescu: and for that matter wordpress
mircea_popescu: so yeah, you're hardly in the weird forrest of novelty here.
jurov: in wp case the buzz looked overwhelmingly positive
thestringpuller: Dude
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.79976, Best ask: 70.35900, Bid-ask spread: 0.55924, Last trade: 70.36499, 24 hour volume: 41641.06437256, 24 hour low: 66.81190, 24 hour high: 74.99997, 24 hour vwap: 70.17329
thestringpuller: what am I missing
benkay: out of the weird forest of novelty doesn't mean anything when trying to figure out affect of widget implementation on bounce rates
cads: I'm sure that various hybric bitcoin/traditional vendors have done that in a phase before adding bitcoin support, and I'm willing to hazard it generally the experiment is a positive for most vendors that even considers adding BTC support
cads: s/hybric/hybrid
cads: so far I've heard some rhetoric and no numbers
cads: numbers will be nice, I think we'll all agree
jurov: you heard some names, try asking there
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.041009 = 2.0505 BTC [-]
benkay: cads where are you considering implementing?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.041008 = 0.8202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.041005 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0405 = 3.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.040404 = 0.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040402 = 0.404 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.0404 = 2.626 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.0402 = 4.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.04012 = 3.3701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.040112 = 0.4011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.04011 = 3.3291 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 238 @ 0.0401 = 9.5438 BTC [-]
jurov: and maybe also ask yourself if your service will be used by people who can't/don't want to use credit card or paypal
cads: benkay: an NFC tag webstore that also takes bitcoin
Blastbob: Biggest tech site in norway accepts bitcoin for "premium" account
Blastbob: hardware.no
Blastbob: suprised me :)
benkay: (just because lots of people do a thing does not mean that it is a good idea. data answers that.)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.004689 BTC [+]
benkay: cads: can I get a link?
cads: the idea is just, you know, offer bitcoin payment as something to differentiate us from other stores selling NFC tags
emptyeddepended: i'm sorry, i mentioned spotify, but what i meant was shopify... christian@shopify.com was responsive, when i asked for confirmation of a planned bitcoin integration
cads: benkay: right now I just have some tags in the mail, that I'll be putting up on an associate's existing ebay store
benkay: I imagine eBay won't be terribly pleased to hear that you accept payment methods they don't get a slice of...
benkay: ;)
cads: benkay: I don't think they'll have much room to complain, as long as I don't link customers from the ebay store to my store
benkay: +1
cads: for now I'm just playing around with webstore techs - thinking of magento, and, funny enough, shopify :)
jurov: cads, that could be successful if more btc-related service, such as (example idea) nfc tags with vanity addresses
cads: sites like tagstand.com have been successful (I don't know how successful) offering an inventory of NFC tags at low volume/high cost, at the same time as offering a free NFC based task manager app
cads: actually, tag stand is the only example I can cite, here in the US
benkay: i recommend against magento
benkay: but have nothing to suggest in its place :(
cads: sure, what are you thoughts behind that?
benkay: well, my advice may be premature optimization for your use case
cads: why recommend against magento, I mean?
cads: so far all I've done is.. download a magento virtual machine
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community to enterprise
benkay: and aside from the conceived-in-hell EAV data store they fucked up
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.041895 = 0.1257 BTC [+]
benkay: it just falls over on basic stuff like search
benkay: plus php is not a great choice for us-based dev teams
cads: I haven't even run it - I have a lot more experience with wordpress, but that experience makes me want to stay away from using WP as a storefront
cads: I know there are a few ruby/rails based options,
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community to enterprise
benkay: and aside from the conceived-in-hell EAV data store they fucked up
benkay: derp derp derp
cads: :D
benkay: if you don't mind hiring "experts" from all around the world to make your application dance, it's probably a solid choice
benkay: what are your engineering requirements?
benkay: do you need to be able to hire dirt-cheap PHP jockeys or will you and your friends maintain it yourself?
benkay: yourselves*
cads: in the long run I might prefer the PHP route rather than derp around with effete rubyists
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 4.194995 BTC [+]
benkay: lulz
cads: being that I'm a semi-rubyist, in the short term I might like a ruby based option
benkay: my problem is not effete rubyists, it's rails brogrammers
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.04189 = 0.2932 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.041895 = 0.8379 BTC [+]
benkay: ruby works just fine (again, premature optimization alert), but it's incredibly easy to make a non-performant site in it
cads: to be honest I don't really see many reasons to swing one way or another at this point
cads: and this is probably my inexperience speaking
benkay: also look into magento's continuous integration environment
benkay: which, man, i have no idea how rigorously you want to build your store
cads: i like the idea of magento since it's got a big community and good documentation
cads: yeah, this is the first webstore I'd be building
benkay: heh. are you looking to become a magento expert? you can probably make more money doing that than operating your own store.
benkay: if you're doing webdev in the states and want to invest in skills that will be attractive to the people who hire devs and dev teams, i would avoid php.
benkay: but at the end of the day, languages are just languages, and anything you can do in one you can do in another
cads: turing tar pit :P
benkay: that said
benkay: some languages lend themselves to developer productivity
benkay: now, if you're just deploying capital, who cares about developer productivity
cads: http://www.tagstand.com/
ozbot: NFC Tags and Applications - Tagstand
cads: here's what I'd like to imitate
cads: aka steal wholesale :D
cads: I don't want to innovate for now
cads: I don't think that store has any particularly challenging engineering
benkay: dat bootstrap
benkay: it's just a CRUD app man
benkay: do it in your favorite language
cads: and I'm working on an open source project with the programmer that programmed tagstand's NFC app
cads: so my own nfc android app might be in the cards one day
cads: but yeah
cads: the site I'm thinking of is simple dimple :)
benkay: i recommend django for simple dimple sites
benkay: https://www.djangopackages.com/grids/g/ecommerce/
ozbot: Django Packages : E-Commerce
benkay: if you want documentation and community and all that feel-good stuff, python's not a bad place to be
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.186 = 0.93 BTC [+]
cads: how are pythonistas vs ruby brogrammers?
benkay: generally focused on craft and inclusiveness
benkay: more silly hair and men with painted nails
benkay: more inclusion of non-orthodox viewpoints
benkay: less lifting
benkay: more philosophical
cads: really?
benkay: in my limited experience, yes
cads: I've just been lucky to be introduced to ruby by a very philosophical and zen person, I guess
benkay: ruby webdev lends itself to a "ship yesterday and fuck knowing why it works" mentality
benkay: there are exceptions
benkay: some pythonistas are fuckin' rude, for sure
cads: python might be a good language to cast my lot with
benkay: i endorse
benkay: i recently switched wholesale to clojure
cads: python's community /is/ pretty awesome for scientific programming / math programming
benkay: oh fuck yeah
benkay: that's how i started programming. controls systems in python and matlab.
cads: so it may be time to speak python, period
benkay: ruby really ain't that great for?stuff.
benkay: it's great for the web, though!
benkay: you can totally learn to code your biz site, bro!
mircea_popescu: no it's not.
benkay: it'll be great!
mircea_popescu: it's great for being owned on the web
benkay: your cluster will erupt in flames under its first real load!
mircea_popescu: like half of the bitcoin heists are traceable to ruby being a promiscuous piece of shit
benkay: mp i'm kidding
cads: I mean, I love ruby, and with JRuby I might be able to expect decent runtimes - I know python is compiled now and is supposed to be blazing
cads: but.. well
benkay: forget speed
benkay: not your problem
benkay: your problem is picking a language to live and breathe for the next n time periods
benkay: that is if you want to get good at the thing
benkay: if you just want to write passable code and pull down paychecks...
cads: ruby has always been a convenience thing - object oriented programming is much more light weight and actually tolerable compared to, say, java or (god forbid) c++
cads: it's got groovy zen introspection, like your smalltalk
cads: it's got lambdas and other things that evoke the feeling of functional programming
cads: (my main language of choice is haskell)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 17 @ 0.004301 = 0.0731 BTC [-]
benkay: oh man
Apocalyptic: <cads> (my main language of choice is haskell) // nice
benkay: if you're a func-y, just spend the time to learn clojure.
benkay: well, nvm.
cads: really my one peeve with python is that its asshole creator once made a statement completely discounting lambdas
cads: ... it's an immature reason to judge the language
Apocalyptic: i find haskell really awesome, after having some functional prog background with OCaml mostly
benkay: yeah, i wouldn't put that in the evaluation matrix
cads: benkay: tell me about your experience with clojure?
benkay: *swoon*
cads: I tried it a few years back
benkay: i'll embarras myself, man
benkay: embarass*
cads: well, commercial experience
benkay: interop with all of the things!
cads: ah, yeah
benkay: write your full stack in one language
cads: been thinking of scala for that
benkay: call functions client-side in ClojureScript and execute them on the server in Clojure
cads: kind of like a web-appropriate haskell
benkay: it is also a lisp.
benkay: did you get a chance to play with ClojureScript?
benkay: probably not, back then.
cads: I don't think it existed back then
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benkay: well, professionally it's always a tough sell.
benkay: except with clients who want to own and maintain the application.
benkay: except -> especially
cads: hmm, I can has clojurescript as a replacement of javascript?
benkay: yes.
cads: sold.
benkay: that's the point.
benkay: see?
benkay: full-stack lisp
benkay: you just got half your brain back.
benkay: https://github.com/magomimmo/modern-cljs
benkay: start there
benkay: however it's not ecom ready.
cads: I'm suddenly very interested to find out what web platforms clojure has acretted in the time I've been away from it
ThickAsThieves: I know i'm late commenting, but in general, offering more payment methods will likely only have one negative consideration. It may act as a distraction. For web shopping, most any "step" or "option" is a potential moment of distraction. Each of these moments can be considered an obstactle to a sale, the goal being to have the least amount of resistance between the impulse to buy and
ThickAsThieves: completing a purchase.
cads: I'm sure there's a blog
jcpham: http://pit.btcmu.org/
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ThickAsThieves: if you user has not heard of bitcoin you may incite them to learn
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cads: I'm hoping clojure has a ecommerce solution
benkay: clojure is evolving towards pluggable modules
benkay: nah, not yet.
cads: guessing it has a more nuts and bolts rails-alike
benkay: django is the batteries-included thing
benkay: rails, meh.
benkay: php, kill me now.
benkay: yeah man
cads: hates rails
cads: loves ruby
benkay: if all you want is a thing that serves stuff and is reasonably secure and performant and well documented, django's your gig
benkay: i typically recommend it as a good framework for apps that clients want to maintain themselves, or be able to hire people to maintain themselves
cads: php definitely has gamed the "worse is better" aspect very well
cads: and I hate to give it to it, but worpress is great, and the actual PHP you have to do to use it is very very minimal, even when you're writing your own theme
benkay: yo dawg
benkay: we herd u can't code
benkay: so we took the code out of your code
benkay: so now you can web while you bro
benkay: there is also the unquantifiable upside to writing the building blocks of a new ecosystem of web tech tools
benkay: clojure's still young enough for that
benkay: and it won't garner you fame or anything - everyone will always hate lisps
benkay: but you'll be happy :)
benkay: well, you *may* be happy. i have no idea.
cads: lol, even I hate lisp, mostly because it feels like someone was too lazy to write a parser
cads: although I have great fun using it, oddly
cads: but.. emacs lisp, for example?
cads: *revilement*
benkay: so many people have spilled so much ink on the topic of languages
benkay: i use what i feel like using when engineering req's don't clearly dictate alternatives, and when they do?i follow their directives.
benkay: engineering/business req's
cads: yeah, I don't want to put negative words to lisp, mostly since I don't have the experience to have that right
benkay: you could probably burn through joy of clojure pretty quickly
benkay: i liked that book
cads: I'll try and open my mind here - I really love the idea of clojurescript
benkay: *shrug*
benkay: i have zero investment in your choice of languages.
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benkay: but an open mind towards programming paradigms has a lot of value to the programmer
cads: sure, and I want to get over prejudices in my choice
benkay: whether the programmer has any value with those paradigms is a wholly different topic
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cads: definitely a JVM language will be great to have when/if I need to do android dev
cads: oh grovvy https://github.com/remvee/clojurehelloandroid
benkay: yeah man
benkay: clojure was designed to be hosted on all of the machines
benkay: the mobile integrations aren't quiiiite there yet, but getting close for sure
benkay: http://keminglabs.com/blog/angular-cljs-weather-app/
ozbot: Building an iOS weather app with Angular and ClojureScript
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cads: thanks for the conversation, benkay!
cads: I enjoyed it a lot, and you've given me some awesome directions to investigate
benkay: anytime
benkay: hey cads, check your pms
furuknap: I find it interesting how people seem incapable of seeing others as not having their own characteristics.
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