assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063173 = 2.7297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15289 @ 0.00063188 = 9.6608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 893 @ 0.00063548 = 0.5675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00063072 = 3.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2140 @ 0.00063036 = 1.349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 743 @ 0.00063548 = 0.4722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00063598 = 10.1757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2073 @ 0.00063599 = 1.3184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2181 @ 0.00063036 = 1.3748 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063036 = 8.7021 BTC [-]
maximian: s.dice is currently up 10162 BTC for the month, not bad
maximian: ;;calc 0.00010162 / 0.00597198
maximian: yields 1.7% per month at current price
maximian: what other bitcoin stock performs like that and isn't a scam?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2195 @ 0.00063036 = 1.3836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063036 = 2.7238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063036 = 8.7021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00063035 = 4.872 BTC [-]
Namworld: BTC-BOND pays almost 1% per month
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.80001, Best ask: 29.86000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05999, Last trade: 29.86000, 24 hour volume: 33027.28505548, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.67916
jurov: funny how one can get psyched about it
DeadWeasel: christ, 17 pages on that post already?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4167 @ 0.00063036 = 2.6267 BTC [+]
jurov: well, it shouldn't worry me as a prospective btc banker at all
jurov: but i just don't like having 1M limit and transactions with $20 fees
jurov: as some "members" imagine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00063036 = 2.2693 BTC [+]
jurov: cause they want to play with their nebulous off-blockchain schemes
jurov: they even propose to get funding from bitcoin foundation for it
jurov: as if it was more important than improving the BTC protocol itself
jurov: they even told me that instead of having IPv4 with 64bit addresses proper and thus avoiding NAT,
jurov: IPv6 should have come sooner?
jurov: kako, we should just join btc foundation and introduce some healthy reason there
jurov: fortunately gavin has his wit together, but he seems alone
mircea_popescu: <jurov> fortunately gavin has his wit together, but he seems alone << this.
mircea_popescu: being the bitcoin lead developer is part time kindergarten headmaster.
jurov: ^ unlike btctalk, peeps are quite intelligent, you may find it bearable to read it
kakobrekla: phantomcircuit 1GiB blocks doesn't seem... practical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00587398 = 7.3425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063579 = 2.7472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00063597 = 5.0242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063598 = 8.7797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10661 @ 0.00063599 = 6.7803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3263 @ 0.00063654 = 2.077 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
jurov: don't you have terabyte hdd?
DeadWeasel: no, that's diablo, I have a 500gb and 60gb ssd
DeadWeasel: I get the best bang for the buck, and older drives are sellig cheap
DeadWeasel: would like to upgrade my ssd, but I'm not sure the OS will reinstall correctly on the the ssd.
DeadWeasel: Do you know if remastersys is a true ISO installation after you create it?
Diablo-D3: I have 2 400gb in raid 1, 4x750 in raid 5, and thats now being switched over to 2x2tb raid 1 and Ill have 2 spare 750s
jurov: i have one 1.5TB 5400rpm "WD Green" and two bitcoinds happily on top of it
Diablo-D3: you dont need the other one anymore
DeadWeasel: crikey, does that mean 14gb of blockchain?
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: no, the blockchain isnt that big to begin with
DeadWeasel: why did I have 7.6 gb in my bitcoin qt directory?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.68 = 1.36 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: i uninstalled that shit, I had to do a backup
DeadWeasel: i'll get it back later, thinking of multibit
jurov: while you were playing satoshidice
Diablo-D3: it was only like 3gb a month or tow ago
kakobrekla: also on a side note, funny, i remember people saying "we are paying banks to hold a number in a db, ridiculus, use btc, be your own bank"
iz: mo transactions, mo problems...
Diablo-D3: I'd solo mine and refuse tx for SD
DeadWeasel: but what options is there? it's an economy.
jurov: what are you all on? i'll happily accept 1TB blockchain.. its still little price for btc freedom
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: I dont solo anything, I use p2pool
jurov: you really want btc to be usable off a floppy with 1200 baud connection?
Diablo-D3: jurov: becuase if SD keeps continuing at this rate, thats 1GB a year
jurov: 1GB an year, go on!
DeadWeasel: my commodore 64 hashing the blockchain. 1 block every 15 years
jurov: we can manage 1TB a year, it's 2013!
jurov: someone is stuck in 1990's
DeadWeasel: it's true, storage technology is keeping pace
jborkl: I got a 32gb flash drive for 9 bucks
jborkl: with my external hdd, a coupon extra from best buy
DeadWeasel: i've got all of 170GB including OS and video/music/docs/dev stuff
DeadWeasel: I feel like there is a manipulator keepng the price just under 30 right now
DeadWeasel: for the weekend, then use the lemmings and his own power to push past 30.31.32
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.78090, Best ask: 29.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.11909, Last trade: 29.90999, 24 hour volume: 32622.24662481, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.67901
DeadWeasel: volume dropping for the evening it seems?
Diablo-D3: Im thinking about selling my 100btc
DeadWeasel: why is my invoice from Cheyanne Wyoming, but you say you are all sleeping as if you ar eon the other side of the world?
jurov: midnightmagic, what do you meant?
DeadWeasel: I sold to cover my investment, so my money is out, my other 150BTC is all profit if I sell
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: people will probably bitch that Im stealing from dmc, but I dont give two fucks
Diablo-D3: its my money, and the money didnt come from dmc
midnightmagic: jurov: What do you mean, what do I mean? I'm not trying to argue or anything, I'm just saying IPv6 kinda sucks for what it's become, and I'm not surprised at all it's not installed everywhere right now.
DeadWeasel: Weird, you said you were all sleeping when I sent my emails. I'm just making sure my shipments is coming from outside the US
DeadWeasel: BTW, thank you for INVOICE, makes my taxes much easier
DeadWeasel: and for putting up with me. I will likely work with you again. Also, if you have a particular area you need a review in, let me know.
coingenuity: NP, that's why i made it that way(with a lot of USD numeracy) :D
coingenuity: your order comes from the USA, but we ship worldwide with no issues excepting some rare countries
coingenuity: and with special customs forms to make sure you don't get charged taxes, if that is the case in your country
DeadWeasel: I see, that bitctalk thread was worrisome, felt as if it wsa coming ex-USA.
DeadWeasel: you might want to clarify on that thread that you are US based.
jurov: midnightmagic, i see, but it's not so obvious. you could have meant something "ipv6 needs nat too" :)
pigeons: fuck nat and fuck those people that want ipv6 nat
DeadWeasel: Also, never found anything in my spam. So gmail might be filtering on a higher level.
coingenuity: DeadWeasel: we're pretty verbose about it, not sure why people get a different impression, but yeah- always ship from the usa, no matter what
DeadWeasel: fuck IPV6 altogether, the protocol is still shit
coingenuity: DeadWeasel: even set up our distribution network such that we're close to the biggest airports in the world for expedited global processing ;)
coingenuity: but yeah, i agree= it looks like a high-level filter to me
DeadWeasel: coingenuity: that's awesome. The most recent thread doesn't make that clear, and new customers will find that first.
DeadWeasel: I will update that thread since you've worked so closely with me.
jurov: mircea_popescu behind nat you are second class net citizen...just cuz some dumbass misallocated the bits
coingenuity: DeadWeasel: thanks, we do our best to be communicative despite being a small company with people working 20 hour days, lmao
jurov: you share ip address with other users and nobody can connect to your computer directly, you have to initiate the connection or it has to involve third party
mircea_popescu: the fact that nobody can connect directly to my terminal is perfect.
mircea_popescu: and i don't share the connection at all. i own the ip ranges and i use nat routers pretty much everwhere
jurov: mircea_popescu, firewall is for that purpose
jurov: mircea_popescu i pay 4 euros/mo for ip addy
mircea_popescu: jurov i trust a router more than some software solution.
jurov: it's normal around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063433 = 2.7409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4579 @ 0.00063402 = 2.9032 BTC [-]
jurov: firewall can be dedicated, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 449 @ 0.00063654 = 0.2858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063688 = 2.752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00063688 = 4.4773 BTC [+]
jurov: and i really hope your router isn't $10 crap if you trust it so much
mircea_popescu: well sure. but a router is an inexpensive, widely available, easily deployable well specified item
pigeons: nothing wrong with routers, for routing.
jurov: it's like... when i got my first non-dialup connection (by putting computer with wificard to attic and scanning the ether lol)
mircea_popescu: well sure, as a solution to the ip limit problem they're kludgy
jurov: it was fascinating i can put anything on the computer
jurov: and anyone in the world can come and see it, use it
jurov: behing nat you cant do it
jurov: cuz you can pay $$ to get the server elsewhere
mircea_popescu: the isp ppl were looking at me like i was a talking bear or something
jurov: my crazy ideas like public linux shell server aren't welcome at any hosting
jurov: at least not like at such price it earns
jurov: just for fun... and being able to do stuff from behind comapny firewall
jurov: that doesn't allow ssh
mircea_popescu: what is this, the semi competent half serious hacker ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00587398 = 11.748 BTC [-]
jurov: okay, you play elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063679 = 2.7516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5679 @ 0.00063688 = 3.6168 BTC [+]
jurov: and you know any "fully competent" and "serious" hackers?
mircea_popescu: yes. also pornstars, escorts, dope dealers, politicians, investors, actresses and rockstars.
jurov: and were they so competent and serious in their 20s, too?
jurov: heck, even 30s. lol
mircea_popescu: actually most hackers give up hacking by the time they're 30
mircea_popescu: move on to more respectable endeavours like playing games and shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3158 @ 0.00063688 = 2.0113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10058 @ 0.00063689 = 6.4058 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: jurov: Nope. I made a comment about it while you were talking with petertodd but I think it was lost in the scrollback.
jurov: but i think wherther ipv6 is good or not, was besides the point
jurov: the point is, to allow extending capacity currently well working thing while it is possible
jurov: otherwise kludgy hacks ensue
DeadWeasel: I figure i could review all my dealings with bitocin related businesses
jurov: bitcoin business reviews would not be bad
pigeons: DeadWeasel: fake quote alert on the ben franklin
DeadWeasel: the Woman is yelling at me. Send me Ideas, they stored in the log
pigeons: cause its the declaration of independence not the constitution that mentions "pursuit of happiness (property)"
pigeons: well, really cause he never said that
jurov: quote Linus Torvalds instead: Bitcoin is user friendly. It just chooses who his friends are.
kakobrekla: DeadWeasel, you can change anon to pseudonymous to be more correct
jurov: or "He Who Shall Not Be Named"
kakobrekla: DeadWeasel and id put drugs on that list on the last place if needs to be
jurov: and third row should be "Virtual Private Shows"
DeadWeasel: I have two minutes, those are all awesome suggestions and will be fixed
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.80009, Best ask: 29.80010, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 29.80000, 24 hour volume: 34766.89802243, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.68182
DeadWeasel: awesome stuff. I put this together in two hours with no idea for content. The first paragraph is too preachy I think
DeadWeasel: I'll reorder and word much. It won't go truly live until I have some content
jurov: and you forgot bitcoin investments completely
jurov: being on #bitcoin-assets, quite weird :)
jurov: you can try coinbr, i have some tips for bugs
kakobrekla: yeah #bitcoin-assets got its own page, its just not public yet
DeadWeasel: i'll go through this log after dinner and make adjustments. This is great stuff.
jurov: so you can write scathing review
DeadWeasel: jurov: thanks! hahaha, you can let me know
jurov: oh, you're here instead in bed with wife? good lad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00063673 = 10.7607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063411 = 3.1706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 364 @ 0.00063403 = 0.2308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00584883 = 2.9244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00584883 = 1.7546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00584882 = 2.9244 BTC [-]
burnside: kakobrekla I've seen a few mentions of LTC-GLOBAL here. I didn't really think there would be, but if there's interest in tying that in for trading I'm happy to.
burnside: could probably convert to btc on the fly or something if that made more sense.
thestringpuller: 18:35 < mircea_popescu> actually most hackers give up hacking by the time they're 30
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00063689 = 3.7577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063415 = 2.7402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10044 @ 0.00063403 = 6.3682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3507 @ 0.00063402 = 2.2235 BTC [-]
Bowjob: so any idea why dice tanked?
burnside: I bought in right before the big 2 mil sale, heh. couldn't have timed it worse.
Bowjob: that whale is gonna have to work lots of hours at mcdicks
Bowjob: to make up for his 37k btc loss
burnside: maybe sleep in a cot in the corner
Namworld: That guy probably had the most fun of his life gambling. His 1 million lasted quite a long time for many bets
Bowjob: he still has around 3k left
Namworld: He's waiting for his 3k to be worth 1 million
burnside: might not be all that long. heh
Bowjob: he'd be better if he just sat with his 40k
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.00065 = 0.0039 BTC [+]
Namworld: I hope people buy more of these PT of mine
Namworld: I need to cycle selling and buying more. Reach a worthwhile outstanding amount.
Bowjob: Sticky: 20 - 31 cm of snow is enough to paralyse bfl.location
DeadWeasel: he's giving me feedback on a total shit site I just jammed up on an EC2 server.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063601 = 2.7482 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22479 @ 0.00063596 = 14.2957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00063596 = 1.8894 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13229 @ 0.00063402 = 8.3875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4142 @ 0.00063689 = 2.638 BTC [+]
BitHub: looks a bit dodgy pigeons
DeadWeasel: usagi: I think i will mostly do reviews of services I've used
DeadWeasel: and continue to use. become the angies list of bitcoin services
BitHub: ASIC.COOP owns a 3 BitForce Single SC order. The order date is July 14th 2012. - and they want 1btc a share?
DeadWeasel: reputation based currency, reputation directory
pigeons: DeadWeasel: check out stuffexists.com for inspiration on angies list type thing. needs updating though
DeadWeasel: pigeons: that is a huge resource. gracias!
burnside: deadweasel, I'd be interested in a review of btct.co
burnside: if you've used the other exchanges a bit, I'm always looking for ways to improve.
DeadWeasel: Only bitfunder and setup an account on btct.co
DeadWeasel: it would take me a week, since I ahve a full time job.
DeadWeasel: But I am going with the review angle. Just got ot sort it out. and the rest of the HTML
DeadWeasel: usagi: I'll check it out, add it to the list
burnside: sounds great, let me know what you come up with.
burnside: definitely check out cryptostocks too
burnside: usagi I think everyone has quality control issues. it's a huge challenge for all the exchanges.
gribble: Current Blocks: 222447 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1328 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4341299.39731 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.90675
burnside: even MPEx which has been pretty picky has had some stuff go bad.
assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC)
burnside: I was thinking about having a requirement that you actually have been in business for at least 6 months before listing
burnside: at least for the stocks and bonds
burnside: The escrow side of things I've thought a lot about. The problem is that if the goal is for them to raise funds, well then escrow completely negates the benefit of raising funds.
burnside: what's the point of selling shares if the company can't use the cash
DeadWeasel: i see. well, if they want to list, they have to put up the trust cash
DeadWeasel: they will make much more if htey are worht it. If they do well, it is returned
DeadWeasel: this is the real world. it can't always be run by the seat of our pants
burnside: one of the things we considered early on was having trading fees higher on the new assets. would deter traders who are not confident in the new asset.
DeadWeasel: to safeguard your good name as an exchange, that is totally worth it.
DeadWeasel: even if you have only 5 assets... it's better than 15 with 10 bad
DeadWeasel: because more trust, more per person, maybe more people if the trust is high enough
DeadWeasel: quality over quantity, if you can prove that, you will be the #1 exchange.
DeadWeasel: mirceaP is not nice, but he keeps out the riff-raff pretty well
burnside: that's largely why I put together the moderation system
DeadWeasel: i will have to check it out, sorry I haven't yet. Will do very soon.
burnside: hoping that XX voters in the community will be more eyes and ears into scams than just myself
DeadWeasel: cannot rely on that. You can trust them, but you MUST VERIFY with your own investigation, personal communcation
DeadWeasel: OTC is good start, poor execution and easily games, but it's children may be better.
DeadWeasel: gotta see that for myself to even understand it
pigeons: burnside did sniff out a user transferring shares for the purpose of voting to get an asset approved and made appropriate changes to the system
DeadWeasel: the whole asset thing i feel can be gamed by someone with enough cash and know-how
burnside: creating the account to vote you now have to wait 7 days, not impossible, but spendy and a pita
pigeons: i assume people will go to the url in your contract to look for the other side of the story
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.79028, Best ask: 29.89690, Bid-ask spread: 0.10662, Last trade: 29.79028, 24 hour volume: 35115.23774819, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.68355
burnside: I'm going to implement something that will show the public each mods vote history as well. it'll still be anon, but if patterns don't match up, then some abuse will get caught
burnside: working on a way to respond to the comments too, it'll be a generic shoutbox kind of thing, but should help out.
burnside: yeah, I'm not going to be a judge at a podium determining who passes and fails. I don't think I have the necessary skills to be fair about it.
burnside: I don't. I think just like GLBSE, it's going to end up being a fatal flaw in some of the other exchanges.
burnside: I do however feel like a pool of people with a vested interest in the well being of the exchange will do a better job.
burnside: Surely the decision to list or not list an asset on the NYSE does not come down to just one person. I need to look into it more, but I'm almost certain there's some kind of board that gets together and works things out.
burnside: Of course, money talks, but you get the idea.
burnside: I have the lawyer, that's why it's setup the way it is.
burnside: Belize I just have to do an annual report for taxes.
burnside: The rest of the reporting I'll probably be able to code into the exchange so you could pull a report automatically if you're a current shareholder.
burnside: We'll need to grow significantly before we can afford auditing, but it would definitely be a good problem to have. ;)
burnside: Yeah, I like that feature, very cool.
burnside: I get nervous about stuff like that though. 5 BTC and a user could attach a doc with a virus in it, guaranteed to reach all of the site mods. Dangerous.
burnside: Ahhh, I gotcha, that makes sense.
BitHub: there's two phrases that scare the shit out of me "Hi, we're the government and we're here to help you with your business"
burnside: The exchange fees for the asset issuers is a vector I hadn't considered. I'll definitely think about it.
burnside: yeah, jpeg, png, pdf, they all have attack vectors unfortunately
burnside: so while I love the feature, and would love to implement it, you kind of get a feel for the things I have to take into account.
burnside: I need like two different versions of a command line AV scanner in place first. heh.
burnside: even that wouldnt' catch hand-crafted attacks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.79041, Best ask: 29.93315, Bid-ask spread: 0.14274, Last trade: 29.79038, 24 hour volume: 38554.58576011, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.71137
burnside: catch y'all later. time to clock out.
gribble: There are currently 5050.5032 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 151511.635244 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 7131.364 bitcoins demanded at or over 29.0 USD, worth 209361.72919 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.89000, Best ask: 29.93314, Bid-ask spread: 0.04314, Last trade: 29.89000, 24 hour volume: 38502.76342113, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.71217
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063705 = 7.8676 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Bowjob: How is that S.DICE price doing???
Bowjob: Profits seem to be up, that dump by erik didnt help speculators
Bowjob: But its no where near your 0.2 predictions
Bowjob: i dont know, there was a recent sell of, who knows from where
Bowjob: could be from a profiteer
Namworld: Well someone selling 1+ million is not unheard of...
Bugpowder: Well. The funny thing is, right when a new address shows up with some decent coin, the selloff finally starts
Bowjob: It probably wont hit the 0.2 target price you're lookinh for
Bowjob: Maybe I'll sell just before the dividends
Bowjob: but I see a few baby whales
Bugpowder: It hasn't dropped after divvys last two times
Bowjob: probably down this time around
pigeons: yeah i would at least take your dividends
Bowjob: well.. i speculate the dividends will go down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8848 @ 0.00063705 = 5.6366 BTC [+]
Bowjob: i mean the share price will go down
Bowjob: so i need to sell the shares before this thing tanks..
Bowjob: right now its looking stable condition
Bowjob: pretty soon those whales will figure out they cant win.. lol
Bowjob: also it seems that bfl wont ship theirs this month
pigeons: yeah because gamblers always learn
Namworld: Bowjob: I'm pretty sure most already know they can't win...
Bowjob: We'll still go up from 30
Namworld: and gamble for fun and to show they have lots of spare money
Bowjob: Theres this dude, proudhon.. quite a bear. if he turns into a bull, we know the things gonna crash
Namworld: Thing is gonna crash no matter what
gribble: (asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.
gribble: There are currently 3601.3139 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 108039.417301 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.91002, Best ask: 29.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 29.91000, 24 hour volume: 42286.15180078, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.73967
Bugpowder: the 30 wall is getting eaten fucking fast now that we are touching it
Bugpowder: people know that once it goes, we go up a dollar
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.05000, Best ask: 30.09999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 30.10000, 24 hour volume: 44229.13560627, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.10000, 24 hour vwap: 29.75268
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.05000, Best ask: 30.17900, Bid-ask spread: 0.12900, Last trade: 30.17900, 24 hour volume: 44329.13560627, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.17900, 24 hour vwap: 29.75355
DeadWeasel: then my investment is safe. and I'm making 1500, plus some btc left over to try to increase on lows/highs on gox
Namworld: someone buy all my PT shares. I wanna be the guy who sells at the top.
Namworld: I'm holding too many shares right now.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.20000, Best ask: 30.23000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 30.20000, 24 hour volume: 44696.56851652, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.30000, 24 hour vwap: 29.75824
gribble: 1 BTC = 30.30000 U.S. dollars = 22.6322079 Euros
Namworld: I'm selling S.DICE/S.MPOE/S.BBET on BTCT.co for those who can't pay 30 BTC for an MPEx account.
DeadWeasel: thank jebus, that wall is resetting down near 31
Bowjob: Why the recent price surge
gribble: There are currently 4662.0557 bitcoins offered at or under 31.25 USD, worth 143761.456325 USD in total.
Namworld: lol... someone bought bitcoins and killed all the bears...
DeadWeasel: this is insane buying. plutocracy of whales
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
Bugpowder: maybe this will just make me more money
gribble: There are currently 3364.4518 bitcoins offered at or under 31.0 USD, worth 103884.668102 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 13676.531 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 431569.109649 USD in total.
Bowjob: This is some historic shit going on
Bowjob: Guys are we growing too fast??
Bowjob: K, sell at 32, buy back at $1?
Namworld: I don't think it will crash to 1 this time.
Bowjob: Getting slightly nervous now
Namworld: We might just go to 50 and crash to 10.
Bowjob: We are going way too effing high
Bowjob: Id prefer 1-2 dollars per month
Bowjob: I made a bullshit prediction picture, lemme see if i can find it
Bowjob: the real results are even better
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.46999, Best ask: 30.47000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 30.46999, 24 hour volume: 45550.22658526, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.55000, 24 hour vwap: 29.77235
DeadWeasel: struggle to break 31, sell bell curve around 31.50
DeadWeasel: tiny transactoins, penny bot HAMMERING
Bowjob: how come gox shows at 30.5
DeadWeasel: probably let lemming fill in, then dump at 6:50AM eastern time.
Bugpowder: 150BTC was not that much back when I started
kakobrekla: yeah when i feel bad, i think of a pizza guy.
DeadWeasel: he did a service to us all. the first real media
Namworld: MtGox says: No one deposits/sell before we do... all sales suspended
DeadWeasel: put in your changes to my shite website, btw
Namworld: WAIT TILL THERE'S A LONG THIN LINE OF BIDS!
Namworld: then you can sell in multiple mini increments and crash like half a USD/BTC each time
kakobrekla: wtf is up with ppl here latley, all on drugs.
Bugpowder: I have asks below the bid price up for 2 minutes
Bowjob: We are going to the moon landing!
Chaang-Noi: hmm, btc people now have a lot of btc... hmm what can they use them for.. drugs? :)
kakobrekla: silk road became too cheap with this btc value rise
Bowjob: You know what.. this place is full of noise!!
Bowjob: The best strat.. is to buy bitcoins and forget them
Chaang-Noi: silk road going to be sold out pretty damn soon
Bowjob: check in 2 years and find youself a millionaire
Namworld: Bowjob: except the private key, never forget that one.
Bowjob: no one simply gets out of bitcoin news
DeadWeasel: so, when it crashes, how to do by btc by CC?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.24001, Best ask: 30.34990, Bid-ask spread: 0.10989, Last trade: 30.24001, 24 hour volume: 46512.50490835, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.78649
DeadWeasel: I'm a just small time douche who got in with his life savings and got out with 50% more, plus an extra 100btc to play with now
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.14601, Best ask: 30.35899, Bid-ask spread: 0.21298, Last trade: 30.35899, 24 hour volume: 46579.10632984, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.78865
Bowjob: maybe someone wants to make the price of bitcoin the same as pi
Bowjob: but shift the decimal place over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4351 @ 0.00064073 = 2.7878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064112 = 2.7703 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Time to put the Tesla deposit down :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3673 @ 0.00064113 = 2.3549 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: 265358929323846264338327950288419713939937510
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61524 @ 0.00064113 = 39.4449 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.10000, Best ask: 30.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 30.19999, 24 hour volume: 48532.80588620, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80061
Diablo-D3: we need like 5 blocks right htis second
Bowjob: I want a bored billionaire play around with BTC
Bowjob: ah you guys are hysterical
Diablo-D3: a month later it hit the historical peak
assbot: terrible is what it is.
Bowjob: if someone bought at 32.. then forgot about btc
Bowjob: thats why.. we need to stop watching the markets
Diablo-D3: but yeahh, Im going to enjoy two monitors again
Diablo-D3: my productivity will go though the roof
Bowjob: Now I actually want out of Dice now
Diablo-D3: I have a 26" 1920x1200 and my dead laptop
Diablo-D3: IRC goes on the laptop so it doesnt distract me
Diablo-D3: well Im going to buy one of those monoprice 30s
Diablo-D3: and then have my 30 for my desktop
Diablo-D3: thats the shitload of ports version
Diablo-D3: uses the same IPS as all the other 30" IPS screens
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.19898, Best ask: 30.28730, Bid-ask spread: 0.08832, Last trade: 30.19898, 24 hour volume: 48629.35769652, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80257
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: well, I would consider getting 6
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.00001, Best ask: 30.15045, Bid-ask spread: 0.15044, Last trade: 30.15045, 24 hour volume: 49645.07046157, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80740
Bowjob: Oh no! We are crashing!!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.04084, Best ask: 30.15543, Bid-ask spread: 0.11459, Last trade: 30.15543, 24 hour volume: 49622.64900365, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80752
Bowjob: why dont we get warren buffet here and ask him if btc will go up or down
Diablo-D3: warren buffet doesnt give a shit about forex
Diablo-D3: he invests in value not made up shit
Diablo-D3: but to go to 26 it'd cost 40k btc, worth 1.2 million
kakobrekla: well i admit it would be funny if we crashed hard now
Bowjob: we are going to the moon
Bugpowder: so when do you start buying again/
DeadWeasel: someone big is still manipulating, possibly others too
Bugpowder: do you mean trying to sell shares?
Bowjob: buying single digits!!
DeadWeasel: i mean manipulating. pump dump. then settle the price for a while, pump dump, settle the price. using bots, and everything else illegal in SEC markets
Bugpowder: 2) markets do not need that to display their dynamics
DeadWeasel: mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu nothign here does anymore :(
mircea_popescu: DeadWeasel listen. the theory whereby it is feasible to buy up a commodity in order to sell it later is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you will spend more "fixing" the price than you'll make selling.
mircea_popescu: most recently the notable silver market cornering, read up on that. it wasted a billion dollar fortune
DeadWeasel: again, I just have opinions, and I've stated before, they are largely uneducated
mircea_popescu: "only new thing in this world is the history you didn't know".
DeadWeasel: got a problem with an uneducated twat, it's your problem. I'd love to be educated,but ya'll don't know shit more about this than anyone else.
DeadWeasel: the stuff. how could forget. who's stuff'
DeadWeasel: wiki, i can work with that, but none of it applies to BTC
mircea_popescu: dude, srsly. the hunt brothers and their silvery misadventure.
mircea_popescu: da fuck none of it applies to btc. what is btc, a meteorite ?
mircea_popescu: well anyway, this entire "someone is mainipulating by buying to inflate the price to sell later" stuff is the economic equivalent of the perpetuum mobile machine.
DeadWeasel: no, but you can manipulate, or the SEC wouldn't exist for legit markets
Bugpowder: what do you think HFT does all day long?
DeadWeasel: i know, now i have to sacrifice my child.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the sec isn't there to do what you think it does i'm affraid.
DeadWeasel: all the institutions have be co=opted by twats
DeadWeasel: the world, as it is, in terms of society and politics and industry is dying
DeadWeasel: renewal comes soon, unless free energy intervenes.
BitHub: my penis is dying over this conversation
DeadWeasel: then I'm going to bed. gotta put up a few more buys for when it crashes.
Bugpowder: what tha fuck would we do without that site
Bowjob: its Pump and dont dump
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60 @ 0.00063705 = 0.0382 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4085 @ 0.00063402 = 2.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063293 = 2.7349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063292 = 8.1014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9784 @ 0.00063154 = 6.179 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063187 = 2.7303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7279 @ 0.00063154 = 4.597 BTC [-]
novusordo: we'll build a distributed decentralized society
novusordo: where we mine for our libraries and hospitals
novusordo: early adopters get more knowledge and better medical treatment
Namworld: It's more of a problem that being altruistic tends to get you 10 leeches stuck on you...
Namworld: If there's no group in power to make rules/exclude, for one person building stuff for the community, 10 will smooch off of that work without contributing.
Namworld: Like people who just love working...
Bugpowder: the goal is to become a power broker
Bowjob: Actually I think we are the early adopters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064104 = 2.7699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10674 @ 0.00064113 = 6.8434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00064222 = 3.5483 BTC [+]
Bowjob: anyone here watched Code Geass?
Bowjob: I just realized something
Diablo-D3: then I realized how retarded it was
Diablo-D3: and Im the guy that likes giant robots
Bowjob: and C.C. was helping lelouch with his rebellion
Bowjob: Bitcoins, are designed as a fuck you to the feds, in short a rebellion to the feds
Bowjob: and bitcoiners love pizza
Bowjob: so much that hey paid 10,000 BTC for 2 pizzas
Bowjob: Bitcoin = Code Geass rebellion!!
Bowjob: it all makes sense now
Bowjob: In the end we see Satoshi sacking himself for the good of everyone
Bowjob: but not after crazy shit happens
Bowjob: ASICs are like the new mainframes
Bowjob: this thing is a whole setup
BitHub: is that what i preordered?
Bowjob: BFL are those eunuchs.. who didnt deliver shit
Bowjob: We need an ASIC company named Freja.. that'd be awesome
Bowjob: one of his children is satoshi
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.04001, Best ask: 30.16900, Bid-ask spread: 0.12899, Last trade: 30.04001, 24 hour volume: 51240.83998307, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.82270
Bowjob: Omg.. and another thing
Bowjob: one of the FGPAs of Avalon
Bowjob: I bet someone with Geass here keep telling people to buy buy buy
Bowjob: It sucks that I can't really watch anime
Bowjob: my priorites are backward
DeadWeasel: apparently, Bowjob -- you've been right every time you said that so far
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064242 = 2.7759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064251 = 10.2802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00064252 = 3.167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064161 = 2.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12579 @ 0.00064196 = 8.0752 BTC [+]
BitHub: whats your favasset exchange?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063935 = 2.7626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00063914 = 10.2262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6251 @ 0.00063913 = 3.9952 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 222530 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jurov: ohh the other futures were discontinued? MUST FIX
error4733: +3000 BTC profit for the last 1000 bet (2days) 2500 above EV !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1531 @ 0.00587398 = 8.9931 BTC [+]
DeadWeasel: yeah, he'll get it back, I just hope it gets out there in the media more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00598363 = 2.9918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0060899 = 1.827 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 222536 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.0873 = 0.1746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.61955, Best ask: 30.76200, Bid-ask spread: 0.14245, Last trade: 30.76200, 24 hour volume: 55152.61716662, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.76200, 24 hour vwap: 30.03966
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.008 = 0.016 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 7044.8875 bitcoins offered at or under 31.99 USD, worth 221886.66444 USD in total.
gribble: Current Blocks: 222545 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3191474.41456 | Estimated Percent Change: -12.58657
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00609 = 30.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.68010003 = 3.4005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6801 = 6.1209 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.68 = 6.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.675 = 3.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.674 = 1.348 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.665 = 3.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.66 = 2.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.637 = 2.548 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.77586, Best ask: 30.79999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02413, Last trade: 30.77586, 24 hour volume: 53263.39730356, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.84000, 24 hour vwap: 30.07494
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00609 = 30.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.637 = 19.747 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.62151 = 11.8087 BTC [-]
topace: DING DING DING -- Havelock now has 1,000,000 shares
topace: Market Cap ฿6215.1000 (~$188006.78)
mircea_popescu: who knew running PTs can be that lucrative, there's what, like 4-5 btc on the spread right there ?
error4733: if you look in $, pretty same result, no free fall. 395K to 360k still one week
error4733: yep easy bet if you not correct with the btc rise
Bugpowder: so that person could drive the profits
ThickAsThieves: only need about 720 or so BTC profit per day to break the bet
ThickAsThieves: well, not nearly, but plenty of time for a whale to lose his btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.0021 = 0.021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 90 @ 0.0021 = 0.189 BTC [-]
error4733: oups my bad, +2K since last dooglu update
error4733: Haha last 470 bet on s.dice : EV = 188 Result : 2134... 2K above EV. Please, a nice final week like in january
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006418 = 2.7732 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10421 @ 0.00064196 = 6.6899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258 @ 0.00064252 = 0.1658 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: error4733 you know one of these days its going to go well under ev.
error4733: you can't beat house edge on long term
error4733: obv with 3 whales & a bad run... it's possible
mircea_popescu: it's possible to beat it on a term of any arbitrary finite length
error4733: sure, but more small bet mean you reduce variance i'm a math genius, i know
jurov: hi Ukto, what's your plan with FIAT.USD? you will offer the shares yourself?
Ukto: I dont offer the shares
Ukto: or rather, any user
Ukto: any user can deposit their USD from weex into bitfunder
Ukto: which are auto converted to 1 share FIAT.USD per $1 USD
jurov: what's the advantage over buying bitcoins directly?
Ukto: this is buying fiats
Ukto: not buying bitcoins
Ukto: these basicaly make a reverse market
Ukto: withdrawing any number of shares of FIAT.USD (or other currencies) to WeExchange automatically converts X shares to X dollars of that currency
Ukto: yes, its a reverse exchange
mjr__: guys! only $969 to go :)
mircea_popescu: ok, so you're merging bitfunder and what was it called, uex ?
Ukto: BF is just taking more advantage of the merchant system offered by weex
jurov: i mean, selling FIAT.USD is fully equivalent to buying bitcoins, no?
Ukto: sure. You can look at it from that point of view.
Ukto: You could also say buying FIAT.USD is selling bitcoins.
Ukto: But in fact, you are buying USD with btc.
Ukto: If you follow the terminology.
Ukto: Either way, someone asked for it, i said sure why not, and did it.
Ukto: No... it's an exchange.
Ukto: No one said it could only be 'assets'
Ukto: and the currencies ARE assets in this form
ThickAsThieves: will you also make it possible to buy shares of any stock with USD?
Ukto: they DO have a name.. its not liek they are done to the cent
Ukto: You cannot buy shares of an asset, with shares from another asset
Ukto: also, BitFunder is not there to support USD, etc
Ukto: it is there to support BTC.
Ukto: If asked "What do you do with mined bitcoins?" 'I can BUY USD with it.'
Ukto: That is an accurate statement.
Ukto: Rather than the previous limitation of 'I can SELL it for USD'
ThickAsThieves: seems like a thin court defense, but i know nothing of the laws
Ukto: BitFunder will not let you hold USD as an eWallet.
Ukto: to use/spend as you please
Ukto: you do not have USD in your account on BF
Ukto: you have shares that may be traded out for USD by another entity
Ukto: we are not breaking any eWallet laws
Ukto: you cant spend FIATUSD can you?
ThickAsThieves: although i suppose i could sell 1 FIATUSD for more or less than $1 worth of BTC
Ukto: the market can valuate the usd aginst the BTC however it wants
Ukto: as it does currently.
Ukto: My comment about legal reasons, was ment to be very broad, not specific. :)
ThickAsThieves: is this the only asset exchange that has somethng like this?
BitHub: so if i have a few g's in a certain currency can i float it as an asset onbf?
Ukto: BitHub: you could try.
BitHub: is this kind of what this is? i've been following but a bit lost
Ukto: The diffrence is that people can instantly exchange the FIAT.*'s for real currency via BF/Weex
Ukto: for example, on BF, if you goto the transactions page
BitHub: ahh okey so instead of sending btc back to weex i can send these fiat.usd or buy em and it'll instantly show up as fiat on weex
Ukto: you will see you can withdraw AUD,CAD,USD shares
Ukto: you can deposit 'shares' from weex of any currency, or withdraw them
BitHub: only these shares or all the ones on bf?
Ukto: for example, if you have 10 AUD in weex
Ukto: you can deposit it into BF for 10 FIAT.AUD shares
gribble: 1 BTC = 31.29999 U.S. dollars = 23.6941635 Euros
Ukto: you can then place them for sale at whatever rate per AUD you want.
Ukto: if I buy those 10, I can choose to withdraw them to weex, and have 10 AUD in weex.
BitHub: so when you going to hit up all the countries that have a closed exchanged? :P
BitHub: that would be pretty amazing
Ukto: now think about that, with the big project for BF I am working in. ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063925 = 2.7622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271 @ 0.00063913 = 0.1732 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 222554 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064239 = 2.7758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00064252 = 23.3556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13122 @ 0.00064286 = 8.4356 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 5754.009 bitcoins offered at or under 31.99 USD, worth 181961.646777 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: <Ukto> Rather than the previous limitation of 'I can SELL it for USD' << this is a good point for sure.
Ukto: fucking retarded government
Ukto: wipe out the competition
Ukto: and then make it legal again for the big boys
BitHub: that's how its always been
Ukto: I know. just shadey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063915 = 2.7618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14179 @ 0.00063913 = 9.0622 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: big boys can be bothered to jump through all the hoops to bribe you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.686 = 5.488 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: sadly there are just 2 places in this whole economy where one can make any serious coin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, one doesn't need five cents to have an opinion,
Ukto: ASIC.COOP is ciuciu it was a prev glbse asset
Ukto: I am just here to help
pigeons: well, i guess when mircea_popescu is the standard, being nuts isn't a disqualifier
Ukto: .. havent you always been?
pigeons: not that there's anything wrong with it...
pigeons: what about the super secret "we can't stop you from buyinf our secret not-for-you shares?"
Ukto: i told him he needs to specify stuff
Ukto: or ppl will ignore it
Ukto: he does supposedly have something to back it
Ukto: hes just too scared to talk abou tit
Ukto: afraid of legal issues
Ukto: yeah, I rolled my eyes, said w/e
mod6: how's it goin -assets?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064293 = 3.2147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064294 = 2.7781 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1733 @ 0.00064311 = 1.1145 BTC [+]
Ukto: I think were all nuts
jurov: In 2009 I was beaten nearly to death by a man with a tire Iron and have not been able to maintain a normal job sence which is why I fell inlove with bitcoins so much
jurov: just an excerpt from said url
mod6: that guy is on beat-down status
mod6: car accident and got beat with a tire iron!?
jurov: so, there are not yet relisted cases n the scene, ukto beware :D
jurov: the thread is about mmm glbse stuff
jurov: issued by a man with 15day migraines :(
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.11001, Best ask: 31.14856, Bid-ask spread: 0.03855, Last trade: 31.09901, 24 hour volume: 56442.79364155, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.27998
gribble: 1 BTC = 31.09901 U.S. dollars = 23.5242133 Euros
jurov: mpoe results will be very interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006431 = 2.7788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3267 @ 0.00064311 = 2.101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064312 = 10.2899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3912 @ 0.00064314 = 2.516 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu, you said maybe you'll do the report tomorrow morning instead of in the night, have you decided?
mircea_popescu: iirc what i said was that i'll publish the report and then wait a day for any errors / complaints before making payments
jurov: Please include the vwap used into the report.
jurov: especially now it's changing wildly
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 25 @ 0.3499 = 8.7475 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00063937 = 1.5345 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i should probably start selling my own brand of napalm
jurov: well,everyone has something to get angry over
jurov: btw, i came up with better analogy with the NAT problem... it's like telephone from which you can make outgoing calls only
mod6: The reason I take the time to type out a response like that is because I enjoy treating people I don’t know like they’re actual human beings, take them seriously and so forth.
jurov: just because phone company depleted all numbers can't/doesn't
jurov: can't/doesn't make phone numbers longer
mod6: the "investment" statment was a bit bizzare
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.27 = 0.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26392 BTC [-]
mod6: ugh, have been sick as hell the last 2 weeks. :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00063937 = 1.6624 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063936 = 2.7627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4179 @ 0.00063926 = 2.6715 BTC [-]
mod6: starting to feel better today thouhg.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064301 = 2.7784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3679 @ 0.00064314 = 2.3661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062729 / 0.00063605 / 0.00064314 (1284428 shares, 816.97 BTC), 7D: 0.000622 / 0.00064942 / 0.00068894 (10515301 shares, 6,828.92 BTC), 30D: 0.00059517 / 0.00066478 / 0.0007 (72318162 shares, 48,076.07 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 740 @ 0.0059 = 4.366 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00589 = 0.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00588 = 0.147 BTC [-]
mod6: so is ripple dead yet?
pigeons: well the new system operaters are trying to discourage calling trust lines "credit" I noticed
mod6: ahh. ok. i was wondering how (or why) a system of credit would need to be established...
mircea_popescu: <jurov> btw, i came up with better analogy with the NAT problem... it's like telephone from which you can make outgoing calls only << pretty much the only way to use a phone.
swhitt: anyone know how to contact evoorhees?
swhitt: someone just successfully pulled off a doublespend attack on sdice
iz: you can also answer a ringing phone
iz: a ringing phone with NAT would require port forwards
swhitt: I was playing, this was my original losing bet
jurov: oh, mircea_popescu doesn't need to answer phones, he's got people for that
swhitt: then a new block came in with a txn not in the mempool
swhitt: same inputs and outputs but 1 additional byte, I believe OP_FALSE
swhitt: which doesn't need to be signed
mircea_popescu: jurov literally. what am i to answer a phone !? "don't call us, we'll call you to an artform"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 185 @ 0.006 = 1.11 BTC [-]
swhitt: it payed my original losing bet
swhitt: and then it paid the attacked confirmed bet
mod6: I saw something on btctalk about some new ways to try to exploit double-spends against s.dice. not sure if its effective...
maximian: evoorhees says that they do suffer double-spends from time to time
mod6: maybe it was yesterday...
swhitt: it looked like the doublespend attack person is working with a miner
maximian: and that they implement fixes accordingly
swhitt: the attack bets were not in my mempool
swhitt: but they showed up in a block
swhitt: mircea_popescu: thanks, I am making a list of transactions included in the attack
maximian: he's sometimes available on Skype as evoorhees
mod6: DeaDTerra: what do you mean by "SatoshiDice client"?
mod6: OH... ok. didn't know that.
swhitt: the client doens't let you spend unconfirmed change though
pigeons: mircea_popescu: nat is like asking someone else to take a piss for you
mod6: you guys no like NAT 'eh?
gribble: Current Blocks: 222573 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1202 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: ;;calc 3651011/4036526
mod6: (10:48) < mircea_popescu> i like nat, but they say i'm a nut. << for someone who isn't a programmer, you have a keen eye for what makes sense in compsci
mircea_popescu: mod6 im the boss all software engineers wish they had.
mod6: one thing that makes me laugh is about these -otc d00dz who constantly bitch about MPEx's lack of CSS or conformity to standards.
mod6: its like, many lulz
jurov: just a convenient topic to bitch about
mod6: ThickAsThieves: the diffiulty went up that much or just the btc spot price?
jurov: mod6, it was the difficulty that spiked yest
mircea_popescu: jurov i find that so odd, im still measuring the output at like 27th
jurov: so gribble was thinking it will got 15% up
mod6: oh hmm. ok. didn't know that.
jurov: and not difficulty but hashrate to be exact.
ThickAsThieves: i'm missing something, but why would the hashrate change so much overnight?
mod6: maybe the asics made it out of tennekey
jurov: it does normally, it's variance
jurov: miners get more successful in finding blocks -> hashrate increas is inferred
pigeons: "he reason I take the time to type out a response like that is because I enjoy treating people I don’t know like they’re actual human beings, take them seriously and so forth."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves estimating hashrate is a very noisy process
mod6: mircea_popescu just did in his blog
jurov: i don't think bitcoincharts meticulusly gathers stats from the pools how many hashes got computed actually
swhitt: it's a poisson process
swhitt: you can estimate what lambda is by the number of occurrences per unit time
jurov: dunno if it's a poisson.. we just infer from very few data points
ThickAsThieves: so does the difficulty prediction get more stable the closer to the end of the current diff level?
swhitt: and the difficulty adjustment is to get lambda back to the average time of 10 minutes
jurov: if the pools exported stats about work submitted, that would be more reliable
swhitt: yes it's a poisson process by definitions
mircea_popescu: jurov there's no practical way for the pools to do it either, not as hashes
mircea_popescu: they could perhaps report shares, but there's issues with that too (i am told, i don't really understand this)
swhitt: it would be more reliable but you have 20160 datapoints
swhitt: good enough for gubment work
jcpham: normalize it, same chart
swhitt: mircea_popescu: well, each pool has a different difficulty for the shares
jurov: the pools must have a way to measure the work semi-precisely.. to be able to sanely compute payouts
swhitt: and many pools adjust diff for each user
mircea_popescu: ya hta'ts what i meant, they use the per-user diff thing
jurov: in the end difficulty really only takes into account really issued blocks, not the work behind them... so the point is moot
mircea_popescu: probably wuile's estimates are the better thing to go by
ThickAsThieves: so as an exercise, what data and info would you use in assessing XDIFFMAR?
jcpham: he's on the right path...
jurov: ThickAsThieves, i just drawn some lines over sipa's graphs
jurov: and decided it will be under 8
jurov: bu the moon and stars and technical analysis
ThickAsThieves: were your eyes open or closed when you drew the lines? ;)
mod6: moon and stars, is that like licking your finger to determine which way the wind blows?
jurov: also sold few shares of iDiff-E on bitfunder for 0.07 hedged by bitbet but won't sell for that price anymore
jurov: so you bought and now having second thoughts ? :D
ThickAsThieves: just that i did base my choice on somewhat ignorant grasp of gribbles predictions
gribble: Error: "bribe" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064314 = 4.5078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064339 = 6.4339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 341 @ 0.0006434 = 0.2194 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "donate" is not a valid command.
gribble: Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
gribble: Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
jurov: finally figured it
mod6: wow 269.69 received
chmod755: you guys suck...my most recent snack is still the last botsnack
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, this is probably true.
pigeons: i'm trying to understand the differences between the exchange on weex and the bitfunder fiat assets
chmod755: mircea_popescu, errr. except gribble can't spend the money without nanotube
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno, i vaguely recall reading the avg net worth is teetering towards negative.
mod6: yeah, it seems to me that just about NO ONE has any cash to spare. anyone who works a "regular" type job anyway...
mod6: people here wont put up with this for forever. eventually when food and gas prices get high enough... RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
ThickAsThieves: pigeons, the main difference is you can use different words when you talk about your transactions now :)
mod6: people here are angry
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like the part of "buy dollars with bitcoins" tbh.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ya but against the machine ? i imagine it'll be more against each other.
mod6: they know they're angry. im not sure they can put a finger on it yet...
mod6: they don't realize quite what is happening too much disinformation
mod6: but someday, it will become clear. (maybe when gas hits $20/gal) and a loaf of bread is $25
mircea_popescu: yeah. for instance, i heard today that the irs a. moved the start of filling from 15th to 31th january
mircea_popescu: and also doesn't have the forms ready, so you can't file
mircea_popescu: the fact that obama is a chicken eating nigger faggot or whatever, THAT is all over the news
ThickAsThieves: one thing i dont get is, how can the irs even pretend to be able to verify tax returns?
mod6: no, state media outlets wont publish any of these kind of things... quelling the masses.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, it's an intimidation racket mostly.
mod6: people here are beginning to understand the depth of debt problems... they don't understand the fine points, but they know that it can't be good that the fedz owe $16tn
lyspooner: mircea_popescu: did you see the moneyness blog article about bitcoin securities?
jurov: oh you wish there will be rage. they invent yet another war, the more nonsensical, the better
mod6: jurov: i hope that people here will realize the fleecing that has happened here and hold the parties responsible.
mircea_popescu: "Eichengreen's theory is that the US dollar became the world's go-to currency because of the emergence of a very specific financial instrument—the banker's acceptance."
jurov: if they didn't realize it so far... they'll be too embarrassed to admit it now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0006434 = 15.892 BTC [+]
mod6: yeah but embarrassed isn't really a problem. it doesnt feel good either way to have your wealth stripped away by corporations and banksters.
mod6: at first they will blame themselfs for being too ingnorant or some such thing...
mod6: but then their anger will be directed outward.
mod6: thats the RATM part.
mircea_popescu: lyspooner he lists picostocks. da fuck is wrong with people.
mod6: most people feel helpless against the in the face of big bro. so i think people are just waiting for it to implode on itself. which it will... but there will be twists and turns in the road.
jurov: i was reading a good analysis how overthrowing governments happened only after food prices rose out of reach. there was NO other correlation found
jcpham: starving people have much power
jurov: govt can do prettny much whatever it wants, as long ppl are fed
lyspooner: oh, mircea_popescu, i see you already posted a comment on that site
mod6: yeah, no one really gives a shit about government until it gets in the way of feeding yourself and your family.
mod6: then the torches+pitch-forks come out.
iz: what's that mtgox page that shows bid ask walls?
mod6: (11:15) < mircea_popescu> mod6 ya but against the machine ? i imagine it'll be more against each other. << not sure this can be avoided any more. people are wholly divided.
mod6: I guess I hope that people can come together and clean house entirely at all levels of government.
iz: i'm thinking of that static page..
mod6: I would think that all politics are local, so it just depends on where you're at. But there will be two sides.
mircea_popescu: romanians for instance had a much better shot in 1989, and still we didn't round them up and shoot the lot.
mircea_popescu: which i still say would have been the correct solution.
mod6: you did get the president and his wife thought right?
mod6: *nod* i remember that.
jurov: mod6, forget the president.. here whole secret service turned into "entrepreneurs"
mircea_popescu: wasn't on the grounds of being the wife, was on the grounds of being pretty much the #2
mod6: i remember it on tv. it was like, quick trial, then outback to the woodshed.
jurov: mod6, and the same will happen everywhere... intelligent people will see the system as unsustainable, they'll plan exit routes accordingly
mod6: merry christmas, you are free.
mod6: i don't remember the details.. i guess I was only 9.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0006434 = 7.3669 BTC [+]
mod6: yeah, it was def. a kangoroo deal, i do remember that. I think they typically are after the revolutionaries take over.
mircea_popescu: the judge was prosecuting from the bench for crying out loud
mod6: oh.. yeah. that doesn't seem like it should make sense. couldn't the people put a good enough case together?
mircea_popescu: you couldn't find five people who could actually argue a case atthe time.
mod6: well, that happens sometimes. im not sure that we have a lot of lawyers who could successfully prosecute any of the banksters or government officials who've broken the law.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it was something like Francis Biddle or whoever being Indian and going "you're a bad man, you're a very very bad man" at Goebbels.
mod6: i mean, it is a raquette<sp?> and a mob of sorts after all.
jurov: mircea, and you think if you started to shot communists, would that happen anywhere near accurately and effectively?
jurov: better not think about it
mod6: yeah, for some reason i thought the crime related racket had a different speling.
mod6: *spelling... damn i suck at spelling
mircea_popescu: jurov anyone who ever worked for either the party or the state, bang. simple solution.
mircea_popescu: be left with half the population maybe, and a clear point in mind. don't do that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15657 @ 0.0006434 = 10.0737 BTC [+]
mod6: hmm.. yeah there are a lot of people who work in goverment here, and its getting larger.
jurov: hm, last time such thing happened with any success was probably when israelites fled egypt
mod6: it used to be that you didn't want to work for government ever, unless you were already rich and "heard the call of duty"
jurov: and torah was written by winning side anyway
mod6: now its like people aspire to work for big bro.
mod6: (11:29) < jurov> mod6, and the same will happen everywhere... intelligent people will see the system as unsustainable, they'll plan exit routes accordingly << some might.
mod6: people are waking up to all of this (four years later I'll add) but there is so much disinformation out there... think frog in pot
jurov: not might, they will do. and even if not, in the chaos the'yll have advantage of web of contacts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063935 = 2.7626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4999 @ 0.00063928 = 3.1958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00063927 = 0.6393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 821 @ 0.00063926 = 0.5248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 510 @ 0.00063916 = 0.326 BTC [-]
mod6: and since this is like the matrix, anyone who has any wealth left defends the system.
mod6: they're so hoplessly dependant upon easy credit and the system they'll fight to defend it.
mod6: until it all comes to a screeching hault.
lyspooner: mod6, what timeline do you expect this to happen
jurov: and get inspired. some things will come to halt, some do not.
mod6: lyspooner: i figure 3 years or less.
mod6: as soon as they cut off the SNAP cards.
jurov: What happens when a modern economy collapses, and the complex society it supports disintegrates? A look at a country that has recently undergone such an experience can be most educational.
jurov: it's quite long but i thoroughly enjoyed it
mircea_popescu: jurov it will be horrible for many of the tense spots. new york, largely boston, most of california
mircea_popescu: the midwest will be mostly fine, even make a pretty penny.
jurov: maybe. barring any serious climate problems
Bugpowder: Whelp.... Guess I shouldn't be moving to LA
mod6: yeah, they wanted me to move to mountain view this year. i was like "LOL yeah right..."
Bugpowder: Well... I don't think the fan will be hit
Bugpowder: Time to buy some fresh real estate in downtown Santa Monica
mod6: Maybe I'm way off and this comedy will continue for 50 years...
Bugpowder: while you guys are all stressing about the end of the system. I'm going ride it up again.
mod6: all ponzi schemes do come to an end though...
mod6: Bugpowder: enjoy it while it lasts dude.
Bugpowder: yes but there are many ways it could play out
mod6: but when the music stops, I hope you're not long.
Bugpowder: Are we talking about global debt crisis or bitcoin prices, BTW?
mod6: hhaha, even if you are and your portfolio is worth 100bn, you won't be able to buy 6 eggs with that.
mod6: ok i gotta get some thing to eat.
mircea_popescu: eat your girlfriends and fuck your wine for that's all you take with you!
Bugpowder: The society collapse narrative is really driven by people that want to sell you gold, guns and ammo.
mircea_popescu: the society collapse narrative has been a mainstay of human culture for as long as such existed
mircea_popescu: it was discussed in the same terms and with the same motivs in like 1400
Bugpowder: instead of sacrificing people to the volcano
Bugpowder: buy gold and bury it in your backyard
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, human society does collapse periodically.
jurov: i don't believe in some value tokens so much. i think rather having web of out-of-box thinking people is the key to survival.
jurov: by the way, you'll come around some tokens, too
mircea_popescu: jurov now you know why the secret service people ended up entrepreneurs
mircea_popescu: in catastrophic situations knowing the right people is most valuable.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: what are a couple example of societal collapse?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.25000, Best ask: 30.66940, Bid-ask spread: 0.41940, Last trade: 30.25000, 24 hour volume: 61491.24221722, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.38573
mircea_popescu: TomServo the obvious one is the fall of the roman empire.
mircea_popescu: the old south collapsed as such after the civil war. the british empire did the same.
mircea_popescu: napoelon's france collapsed, royal france collapsed before that
mircea_popescu: germany collapsed end of ww2, soviet empire end of cold war
mircea_popescu: the hittite empire collapsed completely. the hellenistic empire (larger than any other, incidentally) did likewise
TomServo: All good examples. I guess the difference this time being the 'shrinking' of the globe?
Bugpowder: BUT... the probability that in any given generation a collapse will occur rather than a muddling through is pretty low
Bugpowder: I would think that the collapse would be more obvious ahead of time.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: well, the roman collapse didn't affect anything going on in america at the time.
mircea_popescu: i am pretty sure the correct model for understanding them is financial crisis.
Bugpowder: Like, the metro to Santa Monica is almost complete and there are some really nice parks being built.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder some of the best surviving roman architecture is from right before and right after collapse.
Bugpowder: How many of these collapses were due to outside influence 'changing the game'
TomServo: mircea_popescu: so america collapsing isn't going to just affect america
Bugpowder: vs internal collapse due to debt/corruption
mircea_popescu: TomServo this is a theory. we have no actual history to back it yet.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i don't see why you think those two are categorically distinct. seems the same thing to me.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: correct I'm just speculating - it just seems like common sense though.
TomServo: with USD being the reserve currency
Bugpowder: well, getting conquered, new disease vector, etc
mircea_popescu: if we were archeologists we'd look at the items we find and say yes it was.
Bugpowder: In 1986 everyone thought Japan owned the US and soon the world
jurov: and germany won the WWII
mircea_popescu: the way "conquest" is established is look at item production and distribution sources.
mircea_popescu: like, buncha minoan pottery in mainland greece? minos conquered mainland greece.
Bowjob: Can we stop the madness
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.80001, Best ask: 30.88023, Bid-ask spread: 0.08022, Last trade: 30.80001, 24 hour volume: 61512.77047919, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.38853
mod6: jurov: thanks for that link
mod6: Each half-liter bottle of vodka was exchanged for ten liters of gasoline, giving vodka far greater effective energy density than rocket fuel.
mircea_popescu: buncha people inside a train car stopped in the middle of nowhere. they ask the conductor why aren't they moving ?
mircea_popescu: "because the engineer changed the engine for a bottle of vodka.
Bugpowder: more option lines are definitely needed
mod6: i've read a lot of russian lit, and someday if things are ever better in this world, I'd like to visit.
Bugpowder: BTW your analogy about china conquering the US reflects more upon the folly of inference from archeological scraps that on the reality of the current power structure.
Bugpowder: Does BTCe have a deposit problem or what?
mod6: well, i think since we owe them, and basically we buy all their shit, is that not economic conquring?
rp44: any perceived risk for a retracement today? seems like there is still accelerating buying at the exchanges.
Bowjob: Man.. dice isnt doing so hot
Bugpowder: rp44 There is massive and increasing risk of retracement today
rp44: ~150K sell on mtgox absorbed in <20 mins
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.53481, Best ask: 30.61690, Bid-ask spread: 0.08209, Last trade: 30.82357, 24 hour volume: 63933.39569825, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.39600
Bugpowder: If it gets to 40, then maybe add some more
lyspooner: why are the next months' volumes so low? usually by this time there's some open interest worth talking about
Bugpowder: lyspooner: there hasn't been that much volume this moth
Bugpowder: me, Namworld and unknown other party
Namworld: oh yeah... apparently I chose the wrong time for those options
Namworld: Unless someone drops 500k BTC on the market RIGHT NOW
Namworld: maybe if I drug some bitcoin big shot enough...
Namworld: I can make that person believe the price is currently 0.30 USD/BTC and he should stop loss...
mjr__: it would take a million and a half to move it to 28 i think
Namworld: Looks like we might have a good month for S.MPOE
Namworld: but 70k puts bought at 33-35... these are worth almost nothing by now.
Namworld: They were bought for 1+ BTC each...
Namworld: might have been exercised at some point between then and now.
Namworld: just like calls might have been executed early to take profit. It's hard to evaluate.
jborkl: mp, I have imported and signed the new key- It will not work until the 10th, correct
assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC)
gribble: Current Blocks: 222590 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4896611.1042 | Estimated Percent Change: 34.11656
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064225 = 2.7752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00064257 = 3.8554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00064258 = 13.8155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 679 @ 0.0006434 = 0.4369 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the even values will be exercised normally after which they will no longer be offered.
mircea_popescu: the bot is going to quote under supervision for the next hour or so, trades may be reverted.
mircea_popescu: i totally can't believe i had to do this once a month ffs.
Namworld: Well expect to repeat every few years I guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17311 @ 0.0006434 = 11.1379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15239 @ 0.00064369 = 9.8092 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: [15:40] <Namworld> but 70k puts bought at 33-35... these are worth almost nothing by now. Those were last month right?
Bugpowder: That was the 10k shorted then rebought.
jurov: btw, my pympex fork is already prepared for new key.. should switch itself automatically
Namworld: K.KBRL seems like Ka.KoBRekLa, the manager of this channel.
mircea_popescu: Namworld it was originally, believe it or not, preparing for a bitbond listing (amazingrando's thing)
mircea_popescu: i kept it on the books there for months, then eventually when we were preparing to launch bitbet i moved it to k.kbrl
mircea_popescu: i'll get rid of it one of these days, but what's the hurry.
Bugpowder: what did you mean, get you futures/
Namworld: I offered too jurov... no answer
Bowjob: We need some bit news about s.dice.. it seems to be out of the spotlight lately
ThickAsThieves: mp, do you have any new assets in the pipeline for mpex?
Bugpowder: probably not a bad thing to be out of the spotlight
jurov: lol, he just created option upwards to 75
jurov: but seems he isn't selling them atm
Bugpowder: last 24 hours are too easy to game the system
Namworld: bugpowder... bugpowder... bugpowder everywhere on my screen! Mothra must be around.
Bugpowder: might need to exercise the options
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063035 / 0.00063769 / 0.00064369 (1230906 shares, 784.94 BTC), 7D: 0.000622 / 0.00064929 / 0.00068894 (10550014 shares, 6,850.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00059613 / 0.00066482 / 0.0007 (72358008 shares, 48,105.59 BTC)
Bugpowder: can we bid this shit back up to .0007 please
Bugpowder: no crashing the market while I'm gone.
Namworld: We should have the profit statement released soon
Namworld: We'll just dump 5 million BTC on the market
Bugpowder: unless you are REALLY gonna crash it
Bowjob: lemme cash out before you dump it lol
Namworld: You'll cash out at 1 USD/BTC like everyone else while I buy...
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 148 @ 0.008 = 1.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00784 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00351 BTC [-]
Bowjob: cashing out at 50 bucks, buying back at 2 dollars :3
Bowjob: whatever happened to erik ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070N] 1000 @ 0.95853928 = 958.5393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C050N] 1000 @ 0.99946531 = 999.4653 BTC [+]
Bowjob: maybe hes selling to a big player
Namworld: That's almost impossible to be worth more than that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00608 BTC [+]
jurov: i'd like someone to sell me C750N
maximian: nah, everyone got spoiled by the whale
Bowjob: how much of that 12k is from the whale
jurov: mircea_popescu iirc when new options up to 35 were created, there was no offer for a long time there
jurov: but i may remember wrongly.
mircea_popescu: they were created the 24th and were on offer normally after the 25th of last month
mircea_popescu: currently we're scratching heads over a VERY FUCKING WEIRD THING.
jurov: looks like it misparsed the strike
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064114 = 2.7704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3729 @ 0.00064096 = 2.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 361 @ 0.00064369 = 0.2324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064385 = 2.7821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064386 = 7.34 BTC [+]
mod6: I re-read the The Ceausescu article. I forgot that I already read it before, but it was a good review.
mod6: That Judge was something else though, you're right.