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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00064 = 5.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00064 = 8.064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00064 = 6.976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2707 @ 0.00064 = 1.7325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00064 = 1.824 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: <Bugpowder> PsychoticBoy : how much will you sell gigamining shares for? 0.2 btc
JWU42: PsychoticBoy: thought you couldn't sell them
JWU42: wow - good timing giga
gigavps: stuffed from Christmas dinner
JWU42: laying on couch with laptop propped on distended belly ;)
gigavps: too many cookies, my mother makes some pretty awesome cookies
JWU42: hmm PsychoticBoy was around a bit ago talking about GIGAMINING
JWU42: not sure where he went
gigavps: well, selling gigamining since the close of glbse will most likely void any claim
JWU42: OK - that clarifies
gigavps: one of the huge reasons GLBSE closed was because they had no idea who their customers were
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00064 = 6.72 BTC [+]
gigavps: and they were supposed to be reporting gains/loses
gigavps: all of the new exchange will have the same problems
gigavps: i've read the TOS for some of the sites, and treating the exchange as a "experiment/learning" will not keep them out of court when the government comes calling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2010 @ 0.00064 = 1.2864 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: I think I will get giga into court, I contacted O Hammerstein, my lawyer, and he wants action
PsychoticBoy: yes it is one of the best lawyers in The Netherlands (and expensive) but he is like a pitbull
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 774 @ 0.00354059 = 2.7404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8728 @ 0.00064 = 5.5859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00345868 = 1.7293 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: I am sick of people who make their own rules, Bitcoin is a semi annonymous coin traded in a free market
PsychoticBoy: He did not need my ID or such when I took my coins
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: man I wish dmc could afford a lawyer
PsychoticBoy: Now when things are getting ugly, he goes by the law etc F
thestringpuller: PsychoticBoy: I think I missed something. What did gigia exactly do?
PsychoticBoy: allthough I only own 117 Giga shares, does not mean I have to let ppl walk over me
PsychoticBoy: For real persons: a photocopy or scanned PDF of government issued photo identification, or, for corporations the document number and issuing jurisdiction of the incorporating charter and proof of current good standing.
PsychoticBoy: An affidavit attesting to the beneficial assignment of the agreement, which has been notarized (US residents/corporations) or local equivalent bearing the apostille of the competent jurisdiction. Copies of an acceptable affidavit can be obtained upon request from the law offices.
PsychoticBoy: he is no EU company If he does own a company that is registred
PsychoticBoy: I dont mind payoing 1000euro for a lawyer to get him hanged
Diablo-D3: why are we tagging giga as a scammer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15157 @ 0.00064 = 9.7005 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: has giga even done anything wrong yet?
PsychoticBoy: its only not a reasonable thing to do, ask for ppl personal data
PsychoticBoy: He wont get another btc from me as he already took more than 70 BTC (117 shares)
Diablo-D3: what, hes not buying the shares back?
PsychoticBoy: no You can claim be sending your ID, address etc and an affidavit
Diablo-D3: I wonder if his lawyer told him to do that
Diablo-D3: his lawyer knows more about this shit than any of us do
Diablo-D3: just another reason to excommunicate nefario, imo
PsychoticBoy: I have the feeling he just want his ass covered by a lawyer and not pay out shareholders
Diablo-D3: he may have actually violated the law somewhere
markedathome: thestringpuller: they have the right to request liquidation through a motion if that is allowed in the contract
PsychoticBoy: I talked with an lawyer here in Holland and he told me what gigavps or his lawyer is doing is in opposition to
PsychoticBoy: but as EU citizen I am not allowed to send him my details if I wanted that
Diablo-D3: if he is incorporated in a state that requires a list of all shareholders to be published
Diablo-D3: and yes, that actually IS such a thing
PsychoticBoy: He is playing by the rules (like he said) But if I am playing by the rules (Dutch/EU law) I get fucked hmmmn that can not be possible
pigeons: haha of course its possible
pigeons: us law and us law do not always ive
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: problem is, you fucked yourself when you invested in an american company
Diablo-D3: thats neither a good or a bad thing. its a statement of fact.
PsychoticBoy: so in otherwords this is a shitty situation for me, I am pushed into a cornerr
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: why not just comply with his request?
Diablo-D3: if his lawyer has advised him to comply with US laws, then the government is the one that made the rules, not him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00064 = 8.48 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: I own 2 shares of gigamining the other 115 shares are owned by FDBF so its a loss for investors if I dont do what giga said but its a matter of principle
Diablo-D3: then register fdbf as a company, then claim and pay out to your shareholders and then dissolve the company
PsychoticBoy: registering a company here in The Netherlands will cost me so NO
pigeons: investors who trusted you to look after their interests
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00064 = 9.44 BTC [+]
pigeons: so you lose their goodwill
Diablo-D3: and you may end up getting scammertagged on the forums as well
PsychoticBoy: I will not get tagged for not sending personal details, theymos already told me that
PsychoticBoy: so if the shares will not be claimed by me by sending personal data then its poof gone
Diablo-D3: find out how much it'll cost to register the company
Diablo-D3: if its more than the 117 shares are worth, I wouldnt do it either
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: thats why you form the company
Diablo-D3: you send him the corporate details
pigeons: I WANNA LOSE MONEY, ITS THE PRINCIPAL
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: you want to make this as hard as possible for giga
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1837 @ 0.00064 = 1.1757 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: no not really I offerd him to just pay me 0.1 btc per share and be done with it
PsychoticBoy: I will not send my personal data to a stranger
Diablo-D3: nope, its the fdbf corporate identity.
Diablo-D3: there are ways under EU law to hide the personal data of corporate officers.
PsychoticBoy: But the main thing is, sending personal data to claim, wtf
Diablo-D3: I already explained that one to you
Diablo-D3: its required by law in some states
Diablo-D3: all shareholders must be known to the state
PsychoticBoy: I know, at some point I can understand it, but but but
Diablo-D3: if hes following the law, then thats it
PsychoticBoy: Yeah but if I follow the law, then I am not able to send my data if I wish
Diablo-D3: I really doubt EU law wont let you claim an investment in a foreign company
PsychoticBoy: gigavps does not have a registred company that fits EU regulations
Diablo-D3: then request to giga that he does.
Diablo-D3: [06:53:20] <Diablo-D3> then request to giga that he does.
PsychoticBoy: It will cost him some time and money and maybe even a company change of activities so I doubt giga will do that
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: you may have violated EU law by investing in giga in the first place
Diablo-D3: so dont think you magically get out of this by not claiming
PsychoticBoy: You can buy mine, Ill give the email address and btcaddress and even the btc privatekey if you buy my shares
PsychoticBoy: <Diablo-D3> PsychoticBoy: you may have violated EU law by investing in giga in the first place << I probably did
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PsychoticBoy: Ok I will think things over, but I am most certain that all my gigamining shares must be counted as a loss
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http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=batteryfire PsychoticBoy: It is still not worth any possible identity theft etc
PsychoticBoy: good night all I am going to bed, have a very nice Christmas
pigeons: on the internet nobody knows you're a pigeon
pigeons: haha no, but i've been there ;)
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thestringpuller: ;;later tell PsychoticBoy perhaps you should file a case with the mpex court
pigeons: its a good idea, but i would guess giga wouldn't agree, he would seem to have more to lose
pigeons: i was thinking about only PB filing a complaint, but yes if there were a large number he would be more likely to need to address it
thestringpuller: cause ultimately if giga doesn't comply and PB has a good case giga will get labeled a scammer via WoT? or what are the other repurcussions of "non-compliance" to the judge's ruling
pigeons: i'm not sure, i think the defendent has to agree to the proceedings before they are heard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1327 @ 0.00064 = 0.8493 BTC [+]
pigeons: also note the claim needs to be for over 100 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00064 = 5.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00064 = 1.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064 = 3.136 BTC [+]
Graet: yeah. by the time i fuck around and pay for stuff to send and the other fuckery..... i consider my gigamining bonds another rip off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00064 = 4.576 BTC [+]
Graet: for someone that "only deals in bitcoins" it is not an acceptable solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064 = 3.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00064 = 0.832 BTC [+]
Graet: i need to convert bitcoin to fiat to pay for servers, but i pay miners on my pool in bitcoin yes
Graet: thyat was quoting giga
thestringpuller: we should get people to pull their money out of giga and put them into your pool ;)
Graet: um, ppl mine with gpus and f[gas atm, not reall an aption to "put money inb"
Graet: ozcoin.net if you arent aware :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064 = 6.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles nope i have not. the values themselves aren't strictly fixed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00355774 = 5.3366 BTC [+]
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FabianB: mircea_popescu: so you think cities < village coz anonymity is hindrence for information?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9644 @ 0.00064 = 6.1722 BTC [+]
jurov: imho he did not meant that villages are better. just that cities are just considered unstable due to that information problem
jurov: i found it interesting, but rather one-sided consideration
jurov: it's not just goat stealers who find unbearable these "social mores" and impossibility to choose people you want to interact with
jurov: these greek cities were such...when you were expunged ("ostracised" word was born there) = social death. not sure if it's so much desirable
FabianB: yeah, i think of cities more of statistical stability by mass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9492 @ 0.00064 = 6.0749 BTC [+]
FabianB: if i need to find that _one_ goat, of course the information in a village to find it is cheaper
FabianB: but if i want to find _any_ goat cheese, it's more likely i find one in a city (the village has goat farmers or it doesn't)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00064 = 7.168 BTC [+]
FabianB: as city person i'm not interested in a goat, only in it's cheese or meat
pigeons: Diablo-D3: there is another option besides bfl being a long con and bfl shipping, and that's bfl doesn't ship cause they fail and suck and design, production, logistics, management, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00064 = 2.08 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00064 = 2.048 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4921 @ 0.00064 = 3.1494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00064 = 4.864 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45570 @ 0.00064 = 29.1648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11054 @ 0.00064 = 7.0746 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064 = 7.296 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00064 = 4.864 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 697 @ 0.00064 = 0.4461 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [09:11:46] <Morblias> lol Diablo-D3. I love Josh's post. 'all rational people base their opinions on evidence' yet they give us 0 evidence ASICs exist. So therefore we can't have any opinions on BFL according to Josh?
Diablo-D3: [05:51:03] <EskimoBob> "Diablo-D3 | he cant payout to shareholders -- that would be illegal" - LOL, in this case he broke the law when he SOLD the shares for start and the circus he is running now... pff... is ugly and only to benefit himself
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, it would be illegal to have sold them to begin with
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it would have been the intention of not telling the government who his shareholders are that would make it illegal, btw
gigavps: Diablo-D3 they don't have to give info, they have ppl's money
Diablo-D3: gigavps: no, in some states you have to tell the state who owns part of the company
Bugpowder: gigavps Is there any way for me to buy shares of gigamining off of people who don't want to send in their AML stuff to you?
Diablo-D3: gigavps: its technically for partners, but unlisted privately held shares are the same for those states
gigavps: Bugpowder if i do that, i'm out of business
gigavps: i'd need to register with all the three letter acros
gigavps: would cost a whole boat load of $$$$
Bugpowder: hmm... ok. so I can only claim my own shares then
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12160 @ 0.00064 = 7.7824 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00064 = 2.688 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1958 @ 0.00349579 = 6.8448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00064 = 25.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00064 = 6.304 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00064 = 2.976 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I guess thats the end of bitcointalk
Diablo-D3: so, if someone dox the entire BFL staff and their close family, well, I wont be able to stop that
Diablo-D3: why else would he want the hardware forum's front page all bfl threads
Diablo-D3: yeah, I think that day I threw all the bfl threads in offtopic was the most mod actions ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.03968734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.02400107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1 @ 0.01359389 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00064 = 5.184 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: welp, we now know who the enemies of the community are
Diablo-D3: and guess what, I outrank theymos in bitcoin deity status
JWU_42: the 9 months of clouds...
Diablo-D3: I wonder why theymos sided with the scammers
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00064 = 8.471 BTC [+]
jurov: bitcoin deity status - wtf?
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: say moo, then ha ha, ha ha, ha ha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10464 @ 0.00064 = 6.697 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: well, its more of a muah
jurov: Diablo-D3, how so?
Diablo-D3: jurov: one of the first 100 users, wrote diablominer, brought the most people into the community, etc etc
jurov: meh. i could have been there too. remember trying some early version of bicoin-qt, it did not work.
jurov: i gave up and forgot till 2011
Diablo-D3: lol, bitcoin-qt didnt even exist yet
jurov: it's all mostly chance
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