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assbot: [MPEX] [X.MGCG] 39 @ 0.12999995 = 5.07 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Who would have thought all the futures action would be in soybeans and corn?
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you get that 'later tell' i sent you?
mircea_popescu: yeah and i answered!
smickles: oh, i need to notice things it seems
smickles: or i did't get a hilight near it :|
Bugpowder: oh sweet, someone is buying my gold futures. I cut my prices on gold, nasdaq and crude. The 2% insurance fee is going to hurt a bit though.
mircea_popescu: anyway : neither mpoe nor myself are mm'ing the new futures
smickles: ah, thanks for the re-answer
mircea_popescu: i guess bugpowder is lol
Bugpowder: ack! youporn?!?
Bugpowder: I need to get home to read that article.
smickles: jezus fuck data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAJoAAAAtCAIAAADZUuWNAAACtElEQVR4nO2b63KEMAiFodP3f2X6Y1dFkkBumkv5ptPR1tXIyYmEuEhE4CwNIhwi/o5tSSkIyHcJ/n1fRPz+JgKAn8GtcVpAFNsu58rwB6W7cwc+ih66upzrwzzqcm6Fy7kVLudWuJxb4XIuCGLqPy7napxloBgu51IEZSDB7DVbUaT97xBdKsbWTtydq3EvAwlczgVJr2m6nFvhcm7F7KmQzoOr2SJvXOSdDXfnVsznTmmLQc1Ykx3dma6Bbc92cqo1sOTxqV3lU/znabIvUSvny/eTiVUDix9z/qW0KzyH0kiVvdwZvAol4aERIcvpCh1RLqE00mIHOYnfplIDE6ER2utdoe9oFEh1zbj0RlqMl/Mep+
smickles: oh
smickles: bad paste
mircea_popescu: did you paste a mpex graph ?
smickles: -_- yes
smickles: the mpoe one
mircea_popescu: it worked :D
smickles: ;;calc 13.3903/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.984654007393
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: usagi is the guy who did the insurance policy for PsychoticBoy right? CPA or whatever?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: had all sorts of funny insurance going on
midnightmagic: And there he is in the scammer thread defending PsychoticBoy.
midnightmagic: Have these fucktards ever heard of the notion of conflict of interest?!
midnightmagic: How many knobs are being polished in one big circle-jerk, I wonder, but am not curious enough to bother finding out.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic in general, if someone is flaming at mpoe-pr it's already a good indication he's part of the cj
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130343.msg1395366#msg1395366 take this fucktard for instance.
kakobrekla: um bitfinex is btc/usd only rite?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure
midnightmagic: who's "killerstorm"?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
midnightmagic: I'm unreasonably irritated at the notion that PsychoticBoy isn't going to get a scammer tag for that.
mircea_popescu: quite unreasonably.
mircea_popescu: there's > 50 people who peeled the glbse muppets of a couple to a few hundred btc.
midnightmagic: When it's as blatant as PB?
midnightmagic: Revealed intent after the fact was that he sold $2500 of shares for an item that was $1300.
midnightmagic: That's fraud right there, because he never clarified. He used weasel words to suggest he was going to use the money to expand. He never actually said, "No, it's just for one single."
mircea_popescu: ya well.
midnightmagic: All those >50 people need scammer tags too if they're that blatant about it.
mircea_popescu: usagi doesn't have a tag either.
midnightmagic: He's not even defending the business plan.
mircea_popescu: in general, if it's not 10k btc + it seems hardly worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the scammer tags work.
Ukto: for your reading pleasure: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg1396057#msg1396057
mircea_popescu: ;;google mpex rota
gribble: Introducing the MPEx Rota: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128397.0>; The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/>; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>
mircea_popescu: you seen that midnightmagic ?
midnightmagic: Something about the nature of small-time thieves bothers me more than the pirate scam thing does.
midnightmagic: Rota? I don't think so.
mircea_popescu: Ukto i don't think your arguments carry any water.
mircea_popescu: just because btc is open source game currency does not make it any less game currency.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: "II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc." :-)
mircea_popescu: omg wtf is tumblr gone from the tubes ?!
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic hardcore btc supremacism :D
Ukto: mircea_popescu: except that the games claims to have no monetary value, wheras his site does not claim bitcoins have no monetary value.
Ukto: *claim
Ukto: besides
Ukto: the biggest issue is just that hes trading actual corporate stock on his 'fake' site
Ukto: and contridicting the whole thing
midnightmagic: HAH "Even more, he was paying himself for the time that was required to pay himself"
midnightmagic: .. thinking about it, it would be the quickest way to convince me to exit bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: whaty wouyld the devs matter
mircea_popescu: Ukto nobody has the authority to make such claims in bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00056539 = 8.4526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056539 = 2.6573 BTC [+]
Ukto: which claims?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00056028 = 0.5603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3671 @ 0.00056027 = 2.0568 BTC [-]
Ukto: that bitocin has no monetary value?
Ukto: youare 100% correct atthat
Ukto: at that. :)
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin HAS a monetary value.
midnightmagic: Purity of philosophical intent would be compromised.
mircea_popescu: the reason wow makes the claim it doesn't is because by not making it they'd claim the opposite
Ukto: right
Ukto: burnside can not claim BTC has no value (which is being traded for virtually realistic shares of his real corporation)
mircea_popescu: you seen the this http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ ?
Ukto: I agree with you? on all points?
mircea_popescu: okay. well then...
Ukto: which of my comments am I now contridicting?
Ukto: i think that is where my confusion is comming from. :)
mircea_popescu: im not sure that you are
Ukto: LOL
mircea_popescu: i'm just trying to see what you're sasying.
Ukto: alright lets go with that then :P
Ukto: I dont have apoitn sometimes
Ukto: just ramble
mircea_popescu: lolk
Ukto: point*
Ukto: I try to though
Ukto: i think he was trying to justify his sites as the same as wow and secondlife
Ukto: and I was just pointing out they are very different animals
mircea_popescu: “Tubes are going to destroy our industry,” says Sunny Leone, 29, an Indian-American knockout who is celebrating eight nominations this evening. “Fans don’t understand that if they don’t pay for porn, we can’t make a living. They’ll have to watch crazy European porn.”
Ukto: when you compare their behaviours and actions side by side
mircea_popescu: AHAHAHAAaaa
pigeons: ;;google sunny leone pictures
gribble: Sunny Leone sells her adult pictures - Hindustan Times: <http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Tabloid/Sunny-Leone-sells-her-adult-pictures/Article1-912817.aspx>; Sunny Leone photos - Photobucket: <http://photobucket.com/images/sunny%20leone/>; Sunny Leone Profile - Photos, Wallpapers, Videos, News, Sunny ...: <http://www.in.com/sunny-leone/profile-1956905.html>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00336715 = 4.943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1852 @ 0.00338189 = 6.2633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 396680 @ 0.003395 = 1346.7286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057053 = 2.4653 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12179 @ 0.00057082 = 6.952 BTC [+]
lyspooner: is jurov around?
kakobrekla: probably, hes not straight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005705 = 2.4651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2974 @ 0.00057082 = 1.6976 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Berlin (Germany) - A German man became so frustrated at his computer that he threw it out of his window, and the police reaction was essentially "we understand".
mircea_popescu: http://www.tgdaily.com/business/32940-man-throws-his-computer-out-the-window-police-sympathize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057397 = 2.4801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6079 @ 0.00057416 = 3.4903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53866353 = 538.6635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62061168 = 620.6117 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: meow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.20
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00057416 = 10.5071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1168 @ 0.00057416 = 0.6706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9782 @ 0.00057483 = 5.623 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i don't think his legal advice is very good.
mircea_popescu: seems "met someone in a bar" nefario level.
kakobrekla: he is here i think
kakobrekla: perhaps he can elaborate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057332 = 2.4773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14955 @ 0.00057313 = 8.5712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1623 @ 0.00056471 = 0.9165 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there really is insufficient drama
mircea_popescu: i was hoping for the bitmag stuff to bridge us over till the weekend and then maybe bfl stuff
mircea_popescu: but seriously, the first fizzled, the 2nd is like... meh...
kakobrekla: i just recooked old soup https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101081.msg1396080#msg1396080
kakobrekla: not enough for drama :\
mircea_popescu: better than mpex eh ?
kakobrekla: heheheh
mircea_popescu: baiter omg
mircea_popescu: da fuck liquidity med ?
mircea_popescu: what the hell, you telling me bit4x trades 10-100k btc a month nao ?!
kakobrekla: noone can do a serious dent in the book
kakobrekla: or any dent
mircea_popescu: o i c what you did there.
mircea_popescu: i guess you have a point eh.
kakobrekla: :p
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130422.0
mircea_popescu: this is pretty food
mircea_popescu: good*
kakobrekla: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00056651 = 2.436 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Ukto http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/17830.html
mircea_popescu: nanotube re http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3337/what-are-the-safety-guidelines-for-using-the-sign-message-feature/3339#3339
mircea_popescu: the simplest solution would maybe adding text reading : This not valid past X date, where X is maybe 24 hoursi n the future
mircea_popescu: this way a merchant would be pretty boneheaded to allow it. in conjunction with a "To be used exclusively on Y" it should do the trick.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: ROFLOL
mircea_popescu: nanotube but yes it's why i've never used that method, only ;;eauth
nanotube: mircea_popescu: yea the signed message bit could use some foolproofing.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why have them when ;;eauth is there
mircea_popescu: but anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.003395 = 9.8455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056887 = 7.4363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00057059 = 5.7915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00057219 = 11.4724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11778 @ 0.00057457 = 6.7673 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Ukto 1 Bitfunder
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Ukto has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 #bitcoin-assets, smpake, bit4x and so forth
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
kakobrekla: awww
mircea_popescu: lol srsly
mircea_popescu: ;;rate znort987 1 he's in the MPEx faq
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user znort987 has changed from 1 to 1.
mircea_popescu: much to my surprise kakobrekla is actually older than me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00056651 = 0.0119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3681 @ 0.00056631 = 2.0846 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: what?!
kakobrekla: i dont think so.
mircea_popescu: im 2011-07
mircea_popescu: you're like -05
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: otc.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: yee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7842 @ 0.00056903 = 4.4623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057442 = 2.4821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9822 @ 0.00057457 = 5.6434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406 @ 0.00057483 = 0.2334 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg1396316#msg1396316
Ukto: :P
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53843543 = 538.4354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62039873 = 620.3987 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think there's anything wrong with public discussion, leaves a record
Ukto: I just wanted to see if he will end it. :P
Ukto: Would you could you, on a train? would you could you, please refrain? :P
mod6: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.13522323 = 135.2232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.18543554 = 185.4355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.24475155 = 244.7516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005746 = 2.4828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00057483 = 2.0987 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eee 91k
mircea_popescu: curious if this will be a 6 digit month
Ukto: go go go
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.003395 = 13.2405 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: I am still curious why the servers in panama and not the us or belize?
Ukto: esp. when you have your own hosting company
burnside: hola!
burnside: eh, belize didn't have any good options
Ukto: ooh NOW you talk
Ukto: :P
Ukto: I've been poking fun at you all day in here. :P
burnside: panama seemed at the time to have good connectivity and the boxes were cheap
burnside: I didn't want to expose the hosting company to the risk.
Ukto: ah
Ukto: wouldnt it just be another customer?
burnside: I could tell 'them' that. Do you think they would belive me?
Ukto: or are you afriad your shareholdings would tie things together too much?
Ukto: yeah
Ukto: hehe
Ukto: good call
Ukto: so you are worried about 'them' :P
burnside: nah, honestly, I went into this just wanting to code a cool site and sell it.
burnside: nobody bought, and I had already coded it.
burnside: now I have to run it.
Ukto: lol
Ukto: noithing like taking on another project you didnt want :P
Ukto: the css updates were nice tho
burnside: I have to grow it to where someone else thinks it's worth taking over.
Ukto: well, just keep selling your shares at 200l each, and youll get there :P
kakobrekla: i hope people are aware of that
burnside: I was surprised how easy css3 makes it... it's been a while since I've done html/css stuff.
Ukto: kakobrekla: whats that?
kakobrekla: 02:17.13 ( burnside ) I have to grow it to where someone else thinks it's worth taking over.
kakobrekla: that
Ukto: oh
burnside: I've been clear in many threads across many posts that we're looking for large investors to become involved.
burnside: investors outside the US that are willing to do the AML share registration and be corporate officers, etc.
kakobrekla: and
kakobrekla: 02:16.28 ( burnside ) nah, honestly, I went into this just wanting to code a cool site and sell it.
kakobrekla: that
burnside: yup, one leads into the other.
burnside: think for a second about how I get from (A) to (B)
burnside: (A) get investors, let them do the business pieces. (B) I get to be the programmer and do the part that is fun for me.
Ukto: did you skip A ?
Ukto: and endup at C?
burnside: I did. :(
Ukto: er D? none of the above. lol
burnside: I did my part (B), and (A) never showed.
burnside: lol
Ukto: well, at least you got someone in belize to act as a local director
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.00057483 = 5.2085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11418 @ 0.00057489 = 6.5641 BTC [+]
burnside: I'll keep doing my bit, and hopefully (A) will show.
burnside: yeah, we have a local director and local nominee shareholder.
Ukto: Although, wont Belize shut the corporation down eventually? Or is it a non profit?
burnside: I do have to file annual tax returns
burnside: not sure what the tax rate is.
Ukto: most countries require that a company has to show actual profits (Sometimes of amounts) within X years, or they shut down the corp and deem it as a hobby
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 400 @ 0.18676245 = 74.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 600 @ 0.23601245 = 141.6075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 800 @ 0.29397906 = 235.1832 BTC [+]
burnside: Since the company itself will only be converting enough commodities to cover costs, I'm not super worried about it.
burnside: We will have to show a profit in 5 years, but that becomes an exercise to tackle in year 4.5.
Ukto: err
Ukto: thats different
Ukto: you said the company does not profit in currency
Ukto: "Further, we are not exchanging virtual goods for real currency. So there is no exposure there either. The company does not profit in currency. "
Ukto: So I was confused by that
burnside: well, there's right now. there's tomorrow. there's next month. next year. and 4.5 years from now. which do you want?
Ukto: The commodity has a value, the govts generally want you to est. that value when you give it to people
Ukto: like in the US
Ukto: there is bartering value
burnside: that is true. in the us you're supposed to track the bartering value
Ukto: i think you may have covered in the tax stuff with gigamining you said
burnside: yeah, discussed it a bit.
Ukto: when you give out a commodity to people
Ukto: it "has" a value
Ukto: and you are supposed to declare
Ukto: that with your businesses taxes, as an expense of sorts
Ukto: you can get that value easily, by taking the amounts held back and converted to currency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 45815 @ 0.003395 = 155.5419 BTC [+]
burnside: you have to keep in mind that for BTC Trading Co, I have to approach taxes from the perspective of the Belize gov't.
burnside: For me personally, I have to approach taxes from the US gov't.
burnside: So yes, I will be reporting any profit on any crypto that I convert to USD.
dub: man I just got the shit shot out of me playing paintball
dub: including a point blank to the back of the head team kill
mircea_popescu: ;;whois tumblr.com
gribble: Error: 'tumblr.com' is not a valid nick.
mircea_popescu: srsly, tumblr.com lost its dns ?
dub: tumblr.com has no A record
mircea_popescu: wtf ?
mircea_popescu: it happened like 3 hours ago
dub: not one fuck given
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57558871-93/tumblr-goes-dark-with-massive-outage/
dub: its just the a records too, ns/mx is fine
dub: which means pebcak
dub: and should take ~7 seconds to fix
mircea_popescu: they took it down
mircea_popescu: cause they prolly suck and gnaa
dub: they suck and gay nigger assoc of america?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: "when i use my picture viewer i can click through some pictures then my mouse turns into that little loading circle thing and wont go away and it gets like a grey tint over the picture. If i try using the task manager i try to end the program but it dosent go away and the x wont work either? and when i was using itunes i was playing a song and then i tried switching to another one and it started making a loud noise tha
mircea_popescu: t did not sound good and i couldnt shut down my computer at that point like the power button wouldnt even work and i had to take the battery out." this just for dub.
dub: think im growing another knee where I got hit at close range on the knee
dub: a purple and black version
dub: mircea_popescu: wat?
mircea_popescu: pbkac
dub: i once worked internet helpdesk dude, you cant teach me about pebkac
mircea_popescu: i never did, but it amuses me to torment people with it
mircea_popescu: so basically btctalk nuked all bfl threads ?
mircea_popescu: nice.
dub: s/btctalk/diablo
dub: funnily I see more retardation in the engineering and security space than residential internet users
mircea_popescu: eh i dont thin khe gets to delete topicx
dub: [13:53] <Diablo-D3> I cleaned out all the bfl crap from the custom hardware forum
dub: 13:53] <Diablo-D3> bfl can have one thread and thats it
mircea_popescu: eh
mircea_popescu: iirc there were a bunch in economy too
Ukto: LOL
mircea_popescu: lol midnightmagic is active https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129941.msg1396040#msg1396040
mircea_popescu: a midnightmagic - usagi pit fight, i could watch that.
midnightmagic: did he answer me?
mircea_popescu: sort-of
midnightmagic: If he provided the insurance, he has no business commenting in there and vouching for Douchebag McDoucherson.
mircea_popescu: "All you mining hashrate-based companies were betting against your customers"
mircea_popescu: not only is this correct, but let's not forget the scam was actually initiated, proof-of-concepted and prototyped by that asshole meni rosenfeld
midnightmagic: Also, usagi would be crushed like an insect, were I a warlike individual. I am not, and so what would happen is, the crowd would yell "Fight" and I'd offer usagi some coffee and sit down for a game of cribbage.
mircea_popescu: who is possibly the brain behind half btc scams to date.
midnightmagic: Really?
mircea_popescu: yes really.
mircea_popescu: this is back early this year.
midnightmagic: I meant that as a querulous-but-interested question-mark.
midnightmagic: Did that person post a concept somewhere?
mircea_popescu: lemme see here
midnightmagic: Yeah, definitely should talk to you more..
midnightmagic: lol
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65569.0
mircea_popescu: this is the first coming in the open
mircea_popescu: then hk did something, then giga did his in april, then a bunch of smaller guys
mircea_popescu: jwu42 etc
mircea_popescu: including psychoticboy, ciuciu and the rest of the follower crowd
dub: anyone with an idea of costs to putting a dev or two under nda?
dub: I assume its fairly boilerplate stuff with a few lawyer hours required
mircea_popescu: cost as for the nda drafting or as to the dev signing ?
dub: shouldnt be any cost to making the dev sign?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00057335 = 13.0724 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaa
mircea_popescu: are you new ?
dub: job is under nda, take or leave mr dev
dub: yes, clearly
dub: hence the question
mircea_popescu: most devs that are any good won't sign a nda period.
kakobrekla: yup
dub: I don't get paid more when I sign NDAs
mircea_popescu: if they do you can probably expect a significant paycheck increase.
mircea_popescu: yes well, you're not a dev
mircea_popescu: problem with being a dev is that previous ndas tend to fuck you over when you start new projects
dub: well, I kinda am
mircea_popescu: in the case old employer wants to fuck over a start-up, he can
dub: it sorta comes with teh whole design engineer PD
mircea_popescu: well what can i tell you.
midnightmagic: Well, here's the thing. If the price is competitive, then ROI is possible.
mircea_popescu: the trick to making one acceptable is drafting it VERY narrowly
mircea_popescu: which is why you may need a decent lawyer and some time.
dub: im not asking how much I have to pay a de
mircea_popescu: anyway. 1k at a minimum.
dub: dev*
dub: oh, I was thinking 10's
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic honestly, i don't think any glbse user has any recourse for anything whatsoever. the contracts weren't even signed ffs (when they existed)
mircea_popescu: it was a joke through and through. so, they paid, they played the investors. the beer's drunk, the smoke's smoked, bye.
midnightmagic: Legitimizing preying on ignorance means that you legitmize preying on anyone. It presupposes that the only person who shouldn't be blamed for losing their own money is basically God.
midnightmagic: Therefore, any fraud, against anyone, no matter how obtuse they were with their money management, is wrong.
mircea_popescu: hey, i was never in favour of glbse
midnightmagic: :-)
mircea_popescu: whether you remember this or not.
midnightmagic: I remember it well.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's what glbse was. legitimizing preying on ignorance
mircea_popescu: deliberately inflating unwarranted presumptions of the suckers
mircea_popescu: etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00057343 = 3.9567 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: You Europeans have a really dim view of the people you call "suckers" I'm learning.
mircea_popescu: fine. deliberately inflating unwarranted presumptions of innocent ignoramuses apt to believe something is true because 50 different screen names all "Agree"
dub: midnightmagic: derp
mircea_popescu: and the one pr two who say otherwise are "evil" because "different"
midnightmagic: dub: What now?
dub: midnightmagic: there are a couple of primary assumptions that are qutie different in say america to many other places
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130492.0 << a fine example. people do not comprehend statistics. they're told so. they carry on.
midnightmagic: dub: I am not in "America".
mircea_popescu: oyesyouare!
mircea_popescu: canada is part of the us :D
midnightmagic: lol oookay.
mircea_popescu: you just don't get to vote is all.
dub: midnightmagic: one is 'that person walkign the other way down the street probably doesnt want to kill me and take my shit'
mircea_popescu: dub you ever been to pittsburgh ?
midnightmagic: dub: .. huh?
dub: in eastern europe in particular that would be assumed false afaik
mircea_popescu: not even.
mircea_popescu: dub : earlier today was someone at the gate. guess who ?
mircea_popescu: cabdriver i had used 3 days prior. he was returning a scarf some slut forgot in his car.
dub: someone not tryign to kill and steal from you?
mircea_popescu: "he would have come sooner but it's kinda far out so he waited for a ride close"
midnightmagic: dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear.
dub: mircea_popescu: out of heart kindness or fear of you guttin ghim?
mircea_popescu: lol
dub: midnightmagic: derp :)
mircea_popescu: ten years ago i'd have agreed with you on he later score, but fact is nobody knows me here
mircea_popescu: it;'s just what cabdrivers do.
dub: not 'you'
mircea_popescu: i rly dun think it was guttin phobia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00057335 = 0.7454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00057137 = 6.2279 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and the last murder in this (300k pop) town was about 3 years ago
mircea_popescu: some guy found some other guy atop his wife.
dub: thats surprising
dub: anyway gotta tun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4684 @ 0.00057343 = 2.6859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3931 @ 0.00057489 = 2.2599 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tun means cannon in romanian which makes this sorta funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005715 = 2.4695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6279 @ 0.00057137 = 3.5876 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;calc 13.3903/[ticker --last]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.70000, Best ask: 13.70001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.70000, 24 hour volume: 38587.41290478, 24 hour low: 13.30000, 24 hour high: 13.79989, 24 hour vwap: 13.61205
midnightmagic: oOOooo private mail.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057462 = 2.4829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20040 @ 0.00057489 = 11.5208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13787 @ 0.00057512 = 7.9292 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would you ever put commodities on mpex
thestringpuller: say crude (for a brash example)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057169 = 2.4703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3021 @ 0.00057137 = 1.7261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17408 @ 0.00056705 = 9.8712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5251 @ 0.00057512 = 3.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2170 @ 0.00057582 = 1.2495 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well there's a future
mircea_popescu: !ticker X.EWTI
assbot: [MPEX:X.EWTI] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.06666667 / 0.06678667 / 0.066794 (1061 shares, 70.86 BTC)
thestringpuller: future on what btc?
thestringpuller: why not sell cotton futures or gen food futures
thestringpuller: be evil like monsanto
mircea_popescu: there's an entire list.
mircea_popescu: see here : http://trilema.com/2012/futures-on-mpex/
mircea_popescu: there's no cotton but there's cocoa, wheat and corn
mircea_popescu: and cattle
thestringpuller: these are good futures
thestringpuller: what's the minimum put down for a bond?
thestringpuller: well minimum 'buy-in'
thestringpuller: mpoe bond
smickles: mpoe bond? like MPBOR?
smickles: 100btc
thestringpuller: someone should create a bond share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056751 = 2.4522 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: get a bunch of people together to put money into MPBOR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19179 @ 0.0005672 = 10.8783 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 100
mircea_popescu: that may be something to do, since it takes a little skill to use
mircea_popescu: (pick an optimum % etc)
thestringpuller: i would need investors
thestringpuller: and I hate talking to people
smickles: only one or two people actually seem to talk to the organizer of such things
thestringpuller: i'm just going to buy futures in energy
thestringpuller: i would have to create some account with a third party like you smickles
thestringpuller: and I'd have to get people to give you money to put in that account to put into MPBOR
mircea_popescu: why can;t' you just make a mpex acct ?
thestringpuller: Cause I'm lazy
mircea_popescu: lolk
Ukto: <- Ameriwon't
thestringpuller: berry punny :P
thestringpuller: the energy market has been weird
thestringpuller: usually gas skyrockets every winter but this winter it didn't
Ukto: tooo much en queue
mircea_popescu: "For what it's worth, I think bASIC should also have a scammer tag. I don't get how they had a working prototype and suddenly have no design."
Ukto: my family ownes mineral rights to alot of natural gas wells around texas etc
Ukto: if NG is not in demand
mircea_popescu: that's a pretty good q right there. how the f ?!
Ukto: they basically shut the wells down
Ukto: so when winter comes
Ukto: there are so many wells ready to pump, theres not enough demand
PsychoticBoy: Hi hows life
PsychoticBoy: I just decorated my christmas tree
Ukto: sweet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057015 = 2.4636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12096 @ 0.00056992 = 6.8938 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: thought so too
Ukto: not doign a tree this year
Ukto: waiting until next
Ukto: when the youngest is 3
Ukto: then ima piss teh wife off
Ukto: and get a flocked tree
Ukto: :P
Ukto: (the ones that have been sprayed with teh white shit)
mircea_popescu: ukto -> pm
PsychoticBoy: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8183 @ 0.00056959 = 4.661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2817 @ 0.00057277 = 1.6135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057193 = 2.4713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13670 @ 0.00057203 = 7.8197 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: I have bought a big spoon
PsychoticBoy: for the shit stirrers to stir the f*cking shit
PsychoticBoy: omg I hate those drama queens
Graet: i hear ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056744 = 2.4519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1171 @ 0.0005672 = 0.6642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9108 @ 0.0005668 = 5.1624 BTC [-]
Ukto: man.. I stop posting.. and the fourms go silent :P
Namjies: It's an illusion... but so long as you don't hear it.
Ukto: prolly would not have picked BF anywho tho
Namjies: By the way, I still lack 72 BTC funding for my loan. Anyone interested to lend me till the 10th of January?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.0005668 = 8.2469 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ima make so much money by diff not going over 9000 next year...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000572 = 2.4716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230 @ 0.00057203 = 0.1316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00057288 = 5.2705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00057305 = 5.9345 BTC [+]
Namjies: Is that your impression of people mass buying ASICs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00056684 = 1.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 971 @ 0.00056684 = 0.5504 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7242 @ 0.0005668 = 4.1048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13487 @ 0.00056631 = 7.6378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057202 = 2.4717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5579 @ 0.00057233 = 3.193 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057229 = 2.4729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17610 @ 0.00057233 = 10.0787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2269 @ 0.00057305 = 1.3003 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://jcpham.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/cropped-logo-jcph-am.png
jcpham: sexy. also learned everytime i edit i spam twitter
mircea_popescu: Namjies well, back in june it was gonna be october
mircea_popescu: then it was gonna be now and now it's gonna be january... it ain't happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056639 = 2.4474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00056631 = 4.697 BTC [-]
Namjies: Well on a sidenote, GLBSE giving out info wasn't happening either...
Namjies: Although it was also a possibility
mircea_popescu: haha i guess so
Namjies: Seems it's going to be partial info so far.
Namjies: Well it's either not happening or getting at least screwed up somewhat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056643 = 2.4475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14388 @ 0.00056631 = 8.1481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9291 @ 0.00056471 = 5.2467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00056793 = 10.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00056471 = 3.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11214 @ 0.00056203 = 6.3026 BTC [-]
dub: where is th elatest from bfl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22416 @ 0.00056203 = 12.5985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 784 @ 0.00056193 = 0.4406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00056193 = 8.3166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10178 @ 0.00056589 = 5.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.00056276 = 0.8464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17096 @ 0.00056293 = 9.6239 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129941.msg1396770
mircea_popescu: the plot thickens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056226 = 2.4295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4982 @ 0.00056861 = 2.8328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00056877 = 5.7218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2040 @ 0.00056877 = 1.1603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2613 @ 0.00056946 = 1.488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24402 @ 0.00057002 = 13.9096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00056844 = 4.1053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056307 = 2.433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00056274 = 10.3263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15114 @ 0.0005604 = 8.4699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 878 @ 0.00056651 = 0.4974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056982 = 2.4622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15819 @ 0.00057002 = 9.0171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15332 @ 0.00057054 = 8.7475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00057038 = 1.9393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056044 = 2.4217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4986 @ 0.0005604 = 2.7942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4128 @ 0.00056027 = 2.3128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13012 @ 0.00056019 = 7.2892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00056009 = 0.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53 @ 0.00056008 = 0.0297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056043 = 2.4216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19329 @ 0.00056008 = 10.8258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00056637 = 1.6142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3318 @ 0.00056008 = 1.8583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6882 @ 0.00055966 = 3.8516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 921 @ 0.00057038 = 0.5253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7018 @ 0.00057054 = 4.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8878 @ 0.00057067 = 5.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5611 @ 0.0005707 = 3.2022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057045 = 2.4649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.0005707 = 3.1052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00057102 = 2.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057083 = 2.4666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1935 @ 0.00057102 = 1.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13644 @ 0.00057146 = 7.797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11922 @ 0.00057146 = 6.8129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78 @ 0.0005717 = 0.0446 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: "Diablo-D3 | there are bfl posts everywhere that need to be dealt with" - why?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.0005717 = 5.9743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5582 @ 0.00334312 = 18.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00334136 = 8.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00056776 = 6.5292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00055997 = 2.4196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4998 @ 0.00055966 = 2.7972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2694 @ 0.00055949 = 1.5073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1668 @ 0.00333738 = 5.5667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1797 @ 0.00335085 = 6.0215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 630 @ 0.003395 = 2.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00056274 = 1.3506 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: so shit sirrers
PsychoticBoy: stelletje kanker mongolen op dat forum
Chaang-Noi: ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.00056249 = 1.0805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0005625 = 11.9813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00056275 = 10.7485 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10462 @ 0.00056419 = 5.9026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056212 = 2.4289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18653 @ 0.00056207 = 10.4843 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: yeah goat now they are trying to pin me
PsychoticBoy: see scam accusations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056397 = 2.4369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00056419 = 3.1809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1370 @ 0.0005717 = 0.7832 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/further-futures-on-mpex/ << moar futures.
Ukto: I wa getting Graet
Ukto: I think theymos should make a Troll tag
Ukto: and let ppl donate towards it on ppl
Ukto: so you would donate X btc to (person)
Ukto: once that person earns 10btc in troll donations
Ukto: they get Troll tagged
Ukto: :P
Graet: getting Graet ? i'm a Bitcoin-asset? you are floating me?
Graet: lol
Ukto: LOL
Ukto: yes
Ukto: now shut up and get back in the box
Ukto: :P
Graet: k
PsychoticBoy: and a fussy prick tag
Ukto: need a club for ppl accused of being scammers that got away
Ukto: :P
PsychoticBoy: and a special one for MPOE-PR
Ukto: well
Ukto: I think I made some big progress for BF tonight
Ukto: (almsot 8am)
Ukto: looks like I may have 1~3 new assets for BF
PsychoticBoy: lets call it a I got nothing to do so lets pollute some threads with bullshit¨ tag
Ukto: PsychoticBoy: you should take a brether and relax :P
Ukto: your venting. :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00056505 = 3.5598 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: indeed
PsychoticBoy: some ppl on the forum make my blood boil, not only mpoe but lots of other mentally disabled ppl
Ukto: for some people, its their job
Ukto: :P
Ukto: but i hear you
PsychoticBoy: hehe
Ukto: I am backing off from the forums a bit
PsychoticBoy: I should too, but cant I am a mod
Ukto: SCAMMER MOD
Ukto: :P
PsychoticBoy: :D
Ukto: you should set that as a title
Ukto: SCAMMER MOD
PsychoticBoy: heil to the king baby
Ukto: :P
Ukto: just shuev it ppls faces
PsychoticBoy: probably will make some ppl moar mad
Ukto: could mean any number of things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056228 = 2.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00056208 = 3.3045 BTC [-]
Ukto: so?
Ukto: isnt that the point of forums?
Ukto: to make ppl mad?
PsychoticBoy: I dont care any more, ppl are taking to much drugs (silk road) bitcoin is bad hmmkay
Ukto: ys Mr. Garrison.
PsychoticBoy: look at the replies ppl make on the forum, cant be natural
Ukto: wait
Ukto: wrong character
Ukto: Mr Mackey
Ukto: there
PsychoticBoy: indeed
Ukto: havent watched since season 3 or so
PsychoticBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCDnR6Px-co
Ukto: thought I did catch an episde of garrison as a woman screaming "Yeah! I'm a monkey! give this money what she wants! Put it in my monkey hole!"
Ukto: didnt know monkey hole was a real term for smething until then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056504 = 2.4415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8891 @ 0.00056505 = 5.0239 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's this with mpoe-pr ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00056505 = 5.8251 BTC [+]
Ukto: i think he was venting lol
mircea_popescu: Ukto omg learn to set your client blinking !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6201 @ 0.00056772 = 3.5204 BTC [+]
Ukto: I was watching a youtube video
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: productivity ftw :D
Ukto: >:P
Ukto: its 8am...
Ukto: no sleep yet
Ukto: was working out a deal for BF
Ukto: to get some good assets.. (kinda related to mpex) and trading volume
Ukto: but were still closing on the details. :)
Ukto: hoefully get to relesae details later today/tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6304 @ 0.00056772 = 3.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00056208 = 2.6817 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6375 @ 0.00056207 = 3.5832 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00057057 = 9.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00057057 = 1.7973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30502 @ 0.0005717 = 17.438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00057192 = 10.9809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8562 @ 0.00057193 = 4.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5059 @ 0.00057226 = 2.8951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10899 @ 0.00057305 = 6.2457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00057311 = 6.8773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27419 @ 0.00057433 = 15.7476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00057487 = 7.4158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00057498 = 9.2572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00057508 = 10.4952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00057518 = 16.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00057518 = 11.8199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00057519 = 15.5876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1543 @ 0.00057582 = 0.8885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00057661 = 11.0997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24613 @ 0.00057781 = 14.2216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00057795 = 13.8997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.000578 = 5.9534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00057817 = 13.0377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00057821 = 10.4656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25737 @ 0.00057858 = 14.8909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00057868 = 12.3259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00057954 = 4.1437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00057959 = 6.3175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00057969 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13145 @ 0.00057996 = 7.6236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00058009 = 12.0369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00058024 = 7.4851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.0005805 = 6.7338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12256 @ 0.00058051 = 7.1147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00058095 = 4.0376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00058095 = 9.8181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00058115 = 6.6832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6989 @ 0.00058126 = 4.0624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00058171 = 23.0066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00058188 = 6.3425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11427 @ 0.00058195 = 6.6499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00058227 = 1.4266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00058237 = 4.2513 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17045 @ 0.00058238 = 9.9267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.00058258 = 31.6632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6257 @ 0.00058265 = 3.6456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00058277 = 2.8556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00058303 = 9.0953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35234 @ 0.00058318 = 20.5478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4347 @ 0.00058376 = 2.5376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00058378 = 4.0281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00058407 = 17.6389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00058481 = 6.7253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22294 @ 0.00058493 = 13.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24811 @ 0.00058536 = 14.5234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00058574 = 11.2169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17998 @ 0.00058607 = 10.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00058667 = 9.5334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25071 @ 0.00058681 = 14.7119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00058699 = 14.2345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00058726 = 8.2216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00058784 = 9.6406 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4396 @ 0.00058787 = 2.5843 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29666 @ 0.00058799 = 17.4433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5814 @ 0.00058862 = 3.4222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00058907 = 2.1207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0005891 = 16.6126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00058962 = 13.3549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21633 @ 0.00059022 = 12.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00059089 = 5.7021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00059167 = 7.8154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15444 @ 0.00059263 = 9.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00059349 = 6.7955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 847980 @ 0.0006 = 508.788 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ...
mircea_popescu: yum
mircea_popescu: first btc corp to 1mn ? race ya!
mircea_popescu: The expected starting date of chips
mircea_popescu: manufacturing is late August to September, 2012. The chips are supposed to be
mircea_popescu: deployed and start hashing in October to November, 2012.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing quite as grand as reading old asic corps threads.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00059638 = 10.9138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10235 @ 0.0006 = 6.141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0006 = 4.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9821 @ 0.0006 = 5.8926 BTC [+]
sgnb: mircea_popescu: why not currency futures?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0005994 = 4.3157 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: 4chan now takes bitcoin https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/29831358 :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20956 @ 0.0006 = 12.5736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0005994 = 4.5554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00059725 = 6.4503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34465 @ 0.0006 = 20.679 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: A million is chump change. Go for a quadrillion like those derivatives guys.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.47526087 = 475.2609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.40134783 = 401.3478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25837 @ 0.0006 = 15.5022 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 well i was talking about mkt value not about notional trade. also, 1 mn btc = 1 quadrillion soon enough :D
mircea_popescu: sgnb working on it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00059725 = 18.4849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.DEC] 1 @ 0.0327929 BTC
B0g4r7: lol asics. So now ngzhang has confirmed that Avalon is also skipping the MPW step and going directly to full wafer production.
B0g4r7: Madness.
mircea_popescu: they have no clue what they're doing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059757 = 2.5821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8079 @ 0.00059725 = 4.8252 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: Kinda looks like way, for all 3 vendors.
mircea_popescu: "vendors"
thestringpuller: I thought of that meme with the dog holding the test tubes
mircea_popescu: as an aside :
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.62001, Best ask: 13.62002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.62001, 24 hour volume: 36800.77371952, 24 hour low: 13.30000, 24 hour high: 13.79989, 24 hour vwap: 13.61761
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10.552 * 13.61761
B0g4r7: BTC++
gribble: 143.69302072
mircea_popescu: btc is now 2x as large as egold ever was at its peak.
thestringpuller: but there are still no big revenue streams for btc
mircea_popescu: define revenue streams ?
B0g4r7: revenue stream defines you!
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00059991 = 1.9797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5260 @ 0.00059725 = 3.1415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00059638 = 4.2343 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3640 @ 0.00059161 = 2.1535 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm curious actually when will mpex dividend payments outstrip mining revenue for that month
mircea_popescu: lol 4chan now takes btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1356 @ 0.00332457 = 4.5081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2144 @ 0.00332298 = 7.1245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1021 @ 0.00059991 = 0.6125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24429 @ 0.0006 = 14.6574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18677 @ 0.0006 = 11.2062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1699 @ 0.00060004 = 1.0195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00060004 = 5.7604 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: cash flow is a better term, albeit a great volume of capital flows through btc, most btc transactions are satoshi dice...
thestringpuller: btc needs to be used for large payments and create some kind of cashflow climate
mircea_popescu: i think we're all working towards that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14149 @ 0.00060004 = 8.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00060106 = 3.7867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060152 = 14.7372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0006124 = 6.2465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16107 @ 0.00061252 = 9.8659 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: well you will be the first the btc VC's
thestringpuller: of the*
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ACOG] 175 @ 0.05713408 = 9.9985 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: however my concern is that as btc businesses grow, those business owners won't want to invest in other companies, due to the astronomical chance of losing money
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Which one was that? asicminer?
assbot: [MPEX] [X.INKG] 44 @ 0.07458535 = 3.2818 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic undefined antecedent
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller depends a lot on what busienss and who runs them
mircea_popescu: nobody will ever want to invest in childish glbse-level bullcrap.
PsychoticBoy: mircea could you asked that hooker of yours to quit crapping on forum threads since she/he/you are/is fucking annoying
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 600 @ 0.23166011 = 138.9961 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy what's this about ?
PsychoticBoy: MPOE-PR
mircea_popescu: yes ?
PsychoticBoy: is on Ignore btw
mircea_popescu: kay ?
PsychoticBoy: but if that shit stirrer got nothing bright to say, then its better to say nothing
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ALCG] 500 @ 0.10144961 = 50.7248 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems to me you're doing it right now.
mircea_popescu: what did you have to say ?
PsychoticBoy: 1 thing: FU
mircea_popescu: right. the principle is good, stick with it : if you have nothing intelligent to say stfu.
PsychoticBoy: and your romainian crap
B0g4r7: There's a lot of that going around on the internets.
PsychoticBoy: here in the west we puke on east european crap spewers
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well glbse is akin to this asic nonsense, a lot of money just disappearing with nothing to show
thestringpuller: which is the symptom of a dying business, or an abomination that is called a business
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if bfl actually croaks that'll be a valley of tears.
mircea_popescu: leaving alone that the two other asic troops came out with comparable news.
thestringpuller: but if nothing can be produced with the capital less people will be willing to invest
thestringpuller: people should start simple, like selling large amounts of commodities
B0g4r7: I wonder what the BFL books look like. I understand they only caught up on FPGA orders long after they started taking asic money.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 something like, +1-200k on fpga, +2ish mn from vc +3ish mn from pre-orders -.5 mn for expenses -2ish mn for failed run -.8mn for refunds
B0g4r7: I also wonder how many worthless million-dollar masksets they've bought so far.
mircea_popescu: so they still have some cash, on the positive side.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: all I'm saying is that only a few businesses have sustainability and a sustainable income stream, you attract capital by creating jobs or creating "useful shit"
B0g4r7: Assuming they've not snorted it all.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 yes, asuming that.
thestringpuller: how many positions you got open at MPEX ;)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, creating jobs as a pretend-value proxy is a government racket.
mircea_popescu: busiensses in general create value not jobs.
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ISP5] 120 @ 0.10902456 = 13.0829 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i mispoke, i forget I"m speaking to mr. rothbard and not mr. keynes (i kid), value creates income streams in which other people can access a job is merely trading time and some kind of skill to contribute to the business in exchange for access to the revenue stream
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ASBG] 120 @ 0.11401584 = 13.6819 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller have you seen the http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ ?
thestringpuller: a business that creates sustainable value will have recurring revenue to show for it
thestringpuller: no i'm outof credits
thestringpuller: the thing about it is that most code review for large projects is done in house no?
B0g4r7: That's how we did it at the software house.
thestringpuller: i feel like your target market would be financial firms who connect to the banks
B0g4r7: The only external review was one "security audit" of some sensitive code.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i feel as though this would be best suited for smaller projects
thestringpuller: like an indie game for instance
B0g4r7: Internally, on the other hand, every single commit got peer-reviewed, and went through rounds of revisions if recommended, before being merged into Trunk.
thestringpuller: or an app for a small business
thestringpuller: so the most credible programmer I know atm writes compilers
thestringpuller: he charges 50-80 USD an hour
thestringpuller: if not more
thestringpuller: you'd need like 4 of those
thestringpuller: so your base expense is like like what 32000 a month?
thestringpuller: you'd need a lot of clients
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059936 = 2.5898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 429 @ 0.00059905 = 0.257 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://jcph.am/2012/12/13/two-track-thursdays-part-deux/
jcpham: music
jurov: hehe looks like genjix/amir has made some friends around here in slovakia
mircea_popescu: <B0g4r7> The only external review was one "security audit" of some sensitive code. << this is exactly it tho
jurov: i just got an information "amir is going to organize another bitcoin conference"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha fuckwit.
jurov: "but in novemnber, he wants to have 2000 paople there"
jurov: lmao
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> so your base expense is like like what 32000 a month? << that's 2k btc. no big deal.
mircea_popescu: but at any rate an indie game is no small project.
mircea_popescu: games are some of the most complex projects
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ACCA] 3 @ 0.18677491 = 0.5603 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lets make a bet then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15871 @ 0.00059905 = 9.5075 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: or lets make a game then*
thestringpuller: and move dem units
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059167 = 2.5566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15860 @ 0.00059161 = 9.3829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5489 @ 0.00059133 = 3.2458 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: My brother makes indie games.
mircea_popescu: meh. that teppy guy made a game, it looks pretty grim.
thestringpuller: i'm talking about a game to compete with Rockstar mang
thestringpuller: once you make one and you own the studio
thestringpuller: then you can sit around and make crazy shit all day
thestringpuller: which you already likely do
B0g4r7: Compete with rockstar huh.
B0g4r7: I'll bet a lot of Rockstar's success can be attributed to slick marketing.
thestringpuller: naw man
thestringpuller: they almost went under when EA went on an acquisition spree
mircea_popescu: i never played rockstar
thestringpuller: but they built a lot of stuff in house that likely sells for quite a bit
B0g4r7: Rockstar Studios, makers of GTA, Manhunt, and other fucked-up titles.
mircea_popescu: a gta stuff
mircea_popescu: i think i played some nude/porn mod for it for 5 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059211 = 2.5585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00059221 = 2.8598 BTC [+]
jcpham: hot coffee
B0g4r7: I played it for a while. It gets old in a hurry for me.
B0g4r7: I much prefer to play Zelda or similar.
mircea_popescu: i still play heroes 2 to this day
mircea_popescu: with the girls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059153 = 2.556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4584 @ 0.00059133 = 2.7107 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: 06:34 < mircea_popescu> there's nothing quite as grand as reading old asic corps threads. <-- to which corp are you referring?
mircea_popescu: a, that was asicminer indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [X.EHOG] 59 @ 0.22696117 = 13.3907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059168 = 2.5566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3380 @ 0.00059133 = 1.9987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00059055 = 6.3484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8233 @ 0.00059 = 4.8575 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,calc 30000
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
mircea_popescu: ;;gentime 30000
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 30000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3370181.79928, is 5 days, 14 hours, 1 minute, and 34 seconds
dub: jurov: you should organise to film someone reasonably eloquent challenging Amir on his bitcoin 'expertise'
jurov: maybe mpoe-pr can come from timisoara, it's just 500km to here... not sure if i'll be able to pay her, tho :)
jurov: perhaps we can collect
mircea_popescu: lol
dub: I vote we send Mircea
mircea_popescu: where is this, bratislava ?
jurov: yea
mircea_popescu: tru story.
jurov: haha. infact the chocolate fatory is in kittsee right here over the border
jurov: *factory
thestringpuller: timisoara, bratislava
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: nono, you had it right. fatory.
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135542319974.png ahhhhh
jurov: hehe... i actually expected it few weeks earlier, so i got these loans
jurov: the day i repaid last of them, it went amok
mircea_popescu: lmao
kakobrekla: cause we bought with the repaid loan money!
mircea_popescu: hahaha
jurov: screw you
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00055949 / 0.00058083 / 0.00061252 (4203825 shares, 2,441.74 BTC), 30day: 0.00048504 / 0.00051854 / 0.00061252 (102523166 shares, 53,162.72 BTC)
mircea_popescu: you borrowed like 10k ?
jurov: oh nooo, just some 240btc
mircea_popescu: well then kakobrekla is telling lies!!!1
kakobrekla: ofc i am.
jurov: heh
mircea_popescu: you boing-boing to this genjix thing jurov is organising ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00059 = 2.065 BTC [-]
jurov: this was my reply translated "i want to make some money, not thrown down new world ordewr or wharever like amir. that will be just side effect"
jurov: oh no... my keyboard skillz
mircea_popescu: http://www.mattwhitlock.com/Bitcoin%20Inflation.png
mircea_popescu: this is pretty useful, finally someone made it.
mircea_popescu: we're finally in the < 20% a year inflation, which makes us akin to developing countries.
mircea_popescu: by 2020 we'll be in the <5%
jurov: haha we have kinda developing country demographic, too
jcpham: YO I HEARD 4CHAN ACCEPTS BITCOIN NOW
mircea_popescu: jurov indeed. jcpham yeah. atlas' idea
jcpham: Pass purchasing is currently disabled, please come back in 2 hours.
mircea_popescu: @mods
mircea_popescu: Due to some confusion in writing correctly, this thread made fun & i lost my anger.
mircea_popescu: I request mods to delete this thread, as it has no use.
mircea_popescu: point in case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 752 @ 0.00332298 = 2.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2448 @ 0.00332218 = 8.1327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00059 = 10.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059217 = 2.5588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00059221 = 2.6715 BTC [+]
Ukto: grrr
Ukto: what does this stupid threat keep bumpig & resetting to unread even though its locked???
Ukto: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109666.0
kakobrekla: hes somehow abusing this shit
kakobrekla: the guy is obviously retarded attention whore
mircea_popescu: unlock thread make post delete post lock thread
Ukto: any forum mods on hand?
Ukto: hes really gotten under my skin lately
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 of zee germanz
kakobrekla: lol
Ukto: knowing how late he was awake, hes gotta be asleeper by nice
kakobrekla: he should be called Siablo-S3
Ukto: do they mods actually check the 'report post' stuff ?
Ukto: or is that a days later thing
kakobrekla: no
Ukto: figures
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059219 = 2.5589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5929 @ 0.00059221 = 3.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61654734 = 616.5473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.5342946 = 534.2946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2242 @ 0.00059009 = 1.323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53425942 = 534.2594 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61651474 = 616.5147 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: that's so not itm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00059221 = 5.3595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4510 @ 0.00059221 = 2.6709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17598 @ 0.00059858 = 10.5338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2142 @ 0.00059925 = 1.2836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00059009 = 1.2268 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28995 @ 0.00059 = 17.1071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61641271 = 616.4127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53414929 = 534.1493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005901 = 2.5498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24679 @ 0.00059 = 14.5606 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105120.msg1396786#msg1396786
mircea_popescu: wtf ?!
kakobrekla: lame
Namjies: I would say trolling account?
mircea_popescu: maybe, who knows at this point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00059 = 7.67 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: These bursts of high volume started the day after Erik came back from his meeting in Macau with casino owners. Maybe casinos there are doing some robustness testing? It's pocket change for them.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you know you might not be that far off
mircea_popescu: i know i wouldn't make an offer before i tried to break it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059295 = 2.5621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3279 @ 0.00059308 = 1.9447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059305 = 2.5626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6469 @ 0.00059308 = 3.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2545 @ 0.00059495 = 1.5141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059005 = 2.5496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7784 @ 0.00059 = 4.5926 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Whoever is doing the testing appears to be back! http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL
jcpham: http://uchicagoadmissions.tumblr.com/post/37809971913/indiana-jones-mystery-package-we-dont-really
mircea_popescu: how much are they up yet ? 12k ?
Bugpowder: about 10,000 bet in the last hour
Bugpowder: with a 500 BTC loss for S.DICE
mircea_popescu: crazy
Ukto: 0,o...
mircea_popescu: the sort of retarded shit kids do today ;/
mircea_popescu: go eat a fucking bear ffs.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/XfhaQ.png lmao check out the spikedom
mircea_popescu: SD Profit after fees: 16230.26831626 BTC (1.306%) end of nov
mircea_popescu: SD Profit before fees: 20620.58601763 BTC (1.478%) 10 dec
mircea_popescu: +4.5k
Ukto: when do divs get paid?
mircea_popescu: early jan
pigeons: so disappointed, i thought it was a dtng link
Ukto: good
mircea_popescu: sorry pigeons
Ukto: I am working on uhh.. making it possible to get sdice shares w/o having mpex account before then.
Ukto: hopefully by this weekend
Ukto: mircea_popescu: no offense
Ukto: hehe
Ukto: patthru stuffs
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: what offense'd that be ?!
Ukto: like we discussed
Ukto: just the fact that I wont be buying directly on mpex hehe
Ukto: but
Ukto: you prefer being a wholesaler
Ukto: right?
Ukto: fewer individuals, and more bulk users
mircea_popescu: for one glbse had a s.dice passthrough
mircea_popescu: i dun see any problem with it
Ukto: no
Ukto: i just ment sorry that I wont be directly giving you the fees
Ukto: lol
mircea_popescu: course, i don't see how you'd have a PT w/o actually holding the shares
Ukto: mircea_popescu: hopefully "we" will annonce soon
Ukto: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059871 = 2.587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14679 @ 0.0005989 = 8.7913 BTC [+]
Ukto: just waiting to work out the final details
jurov: coinbr will probably offer limited free account to finally get rid of this passthrough nonsense
Ukto: lol
Ukto: jurov: the PT is for a BF asset
Ukto: :)
mircea_popescu: jurov sounds more like some sort of synthetic offering
Ukto: i planto buy some shares myself
jurov: ok, i don't hold my breath. if you offered S.MPOE options/ futures, now that would be interesting
Ukto: but it would be an an mpex passthru to s.dice yes
Ukto: as a passthrough asset? not really possibly... a fund that manages them.. sure.. but not direct passthroughs
Ukto: BF wasnt really setup with the idea of assets that regularly end
Ukto: wasnt the initial intention
mircea_popescu: mpoe futures i'd be curious about tbh
Ukto: not that its not doable mind you...
Ukto: using the current functionality it woudl work just fine I suppose
mircea_popescu: Ukto i think futures may be doable. options tho... not so much
Ukto: just issue shares at X price... let ppl trade them.. and use force buyback and Y price
Ukto: or such
mircea_popescu: that didn't make sense
Ukto: ...
Ukto: look who you are talking to
Ukto: why would it?
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: I have the otc-style btc/(aud/cad/usd) options on weex
Ukto: was debating transfering that code into BF for btc/(asset) options trading
Ukto: crypto did somethign similar.. doesnt seem to be getting used there
Ukto: but neither does their site in general
pigeons: i think the mpbor etf would be good too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059882 = 2.5875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5871 @ 0.0005989 = 3.5161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00059925 = 7.5853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00060049 = 0.9608 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually a mpbor etf is pretty much the only legitimate etf in btc space i can see
mircea_popescu: because it takes some thinking to get the capital split up right to optimize your reward
pigeons: smickles: you do one
mircea_popescu: lol i think smickles is so happy for having escaped glbse he's not gonna for months
pigeons: yeah i figured
Ukto: LOL
Ukto: anyone here know Cartnh? from the forums ?
mircea_popescu: nope
Ukto: Carnth even
jcpham: da one
jcpham: equals sign smickles
jcpham: smickles superb premium deluxe coin llc dot com
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00060049 = 13.0607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00060136 = 11.3356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.0006018 = 1.2337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0006018 = 5.0852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7398 @ 0.00060263 = 4.4583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2151 @ 0.00060263 = 1.2963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6399 @ 0.00061001 = 3.9035 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: you tehre?
Ukto: the bids tabe for an asset on btct.co is listing a price of ? 1.0E-5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12076 @ 0.00059992 = 7.2446 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: being all scientific and shit
kakobrekla: ill implement that as well!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of using base 7 for all numbers on mpex
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: i had a binary wrist watch
kakobrekla: well i still do, but i dont wear it
kakobrekla: its alright after some time you just go after the pattern
mircea_popescu: mhm
kakobrekla: i had this shit when i was 13 or smth
kakobrekla: fucked up kid.
jcpham: i feel sick when i sel my bitcoins
jcpham: is that normal
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: thus i never sell any.
kakobrekla: thats a good plan not errybody can follow
dub: [16:40] <mircea_popescu> i was thinking of using base 7 for all numbers on mpex
jcpham: sooner or later i have to sell something to profit
dub: what about tonal?
kakobrekla: just make it anal while you are at it.
mircea_popescu: to anal!
jcpham: anal numbering?
markedathome: kakobrekla: i'm sure one of these will be worth while programming a binary clockface for -> http://www.imwatch.it/us-en/eshop?cat=3cat/i_m_gold-scat
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.75004, Best ask: 13.75005, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.75004, 24 hour volume: 23515.12067156, 24 hour low: 13.40011, 24 hour high: 13.80000, 24 hour vwap: 13.67913
dub: ffs go down
jcpham: ikr
jcpham: this always happens when i sell
jcpham: similarly if I were to buy them, the price would go down
jcpham: god hates me
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/high-finance-falootin/
Ukto: grrr
mircea_popescu: for to piss off da haters
Ukto: that asshat did it again
Ukto: relocked his thread to bump it
Ukto: Diablo-D3: you awake yet? :P
kakobrekla: markedathome heh, well.. wristwatches... theres is a reason why i dont wear em.
dub: Ukto: he's generally not on IRC when asleep
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I just got up, why?
Ukto: Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109666.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 283 @ 0.00332218 = 0.9402 BTC [-]
Ukto: the guy keeps bumping his thread
Ukto: over and over
Ukto: w/o reason
Ukto: was suggested hes unlocking, empty editing ro something, and locking it back
Ukto: he's done it at least 6 times that I have seen
Ukto: "Today at 03:25:26 PM with a smiley face
Ukto: he just keeps changing the emote it looks
kakobrekla: A VALID EDIT!
kakobrekla: his mood changed.
Ukto: this isnt failbook
mircea_popescu: lol his mood changed
Ukto: or myspace
mircea_popescu: why are you so aggressed anyway
Diablo-D3: Ukto: Im not a mod in securities
Ukto: i am tired of it showing up as unread. :P
Diablo-D3: then just ignore the thread
mircea_popescu: or pm the guy
dub: yeah, Oh look the bitcoin forum is full of shit and syphalitic fuckheads, I am shocked!
mircea_popescu: he's prolly too noobish to even realise it.
Ukto: yeh I know
jcpham: what is happening
Ukto: call it annoyence at him just pumping extra advertisement for btct.co in a shitty way
jcpham: what am i missing on the forum!>!?!?!?
Ukto: i thnk thats the honesty behind it
dub: jcpham: for once there is some drama
jcpham: NO WAY
mircea_popescu: there is no drama
Ukto: <-- drama queen today
mircea_popescu: stop scamming him
jcpham: where can i get my popcorn
dub: someone doesnt like someone else on the internet, all is lost
jcpham: show me!
jcpham: IMPOSSIBRU
Ukto: dub: HE NEEDS SCAMMER TAG
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: jcpham http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135537171038.jpg
kakobrekla: yeah errybody should get scammer tag by default when they register
jcpham: yeah the girl that just came in loved that picture btw
dub: need a ff plugin to ignore everyone without decent wot rating
kakobrekla: forum will be like 5 posts then