assbot: [MPEX] [X.MGCG] 39 @ 0.12999995 = 5.07 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Who would have thought all the futures action would be in soybeans and corn?
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you get that 'later tell' i sent you?
smickles: oh, i need to notice things it seems
smickles: or i did't get a hilight near it :|
Bugpowder: oh sweet, someone is buying my gold futures. I cut my prices on gold, nasdaq and crude. The 2% insurance fee is going to hurt a bit though.
mircea_popescu: anyway : neither mpoe nor myself are mm'ing the new futures
Bugpowder: I need to get home to read that article.
smickles: jezus fuck data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAJoAAAAtCAIAAADZUuWNAAACtElEQVR4nO2b63KEMAiFodP3f2X6Y1dFkkBumkv5ptPR1tXIyYmEuEhE4CwNIhwi/o5tSSkIyHcJ/n1fRPz+JgKAn8GtcVpAFNsu58rwB6W7cwc+ih66upzrwzzqcm6Fy7kVLudWuJxb4XIuCGLqPy7napxloBgu51IEZSDB7DVbUaT97xBdKsbWTtydq3EvAwlczgVJr2m6nFvhcm7F7KmQzoOr2SJvXOSdDXfnVsznTmmLQc1Ykx3dma6Bbc92cqo1sOTxqV3lU/znabIvUSvny/eTiVUDix9z/qW0KzyH0kiVvdwZvAol4aERIcvpCh1RLqE00mIHOYnfplIDE6ER2utdoe9oFEh1zbj0RlqMl/Mep+
smickles: ;;calc 13.3903/[ticker --last]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: usagi is the guy who did the insurance policy for PsychoticBoy right? CPA or whatever?
midnightmagic: And there he is in the scammer thread defending PsychoticBoy.
midnightmagic: Have these fucktards ever heard of the notion of conflict of interest?!
midnightmagic: How many knobs are being polished in one big circle-jerk, I wonder, but am not curious enough to bother finding out.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic in general, if someone is flaming at mpoe-pr it's already a good indication he's part of the cj
midnightmagic: I'm unreasonably irritated at the notion that PsychoticBoy isn't going to get a scammer tag for that.
mircea_popescu: there's > 50 people who peeled the glbse muppets of a couple to a few hundred btc.
midnightmagic: Revealed intent after the fact was that he sold $2500 of shares for an item that was $1300.
midnightmagic: That's fraud right there, because he never clarified. He used weasel words to suggest he was going to use the money to expand. He never actually said, "No, it's just for one single."
midnightmagic: All those >50 people need scammer tags too if they're that blatant about it.
mircea_popescu: in general, if it's not 10k btc + it seems hardly worth the hassle.
midnightmagic: Something about the nature of small-time thieves bothers me more than the pirate scam thing does.
mircea_popescu: just because btc is open source game currency does not make it any less game currency.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: "II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc." :-)
Ukto: mircea_popescu: except that the games claims to have no monetary value, wheras his site does not claim bitcoins have no monetary value.
Ukto: the biggest issue is just that hes trading actual corporate stock on his 'fake' site
Ukto: and contridicting the whole thing
midnightmagic: HAH "Even more, he was paying himself for the time that was required to pay himself"
midnightmagic: .. thinking about it, it would be the quickest way to convince me to exit bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Ukto nobody has the authority to make such claims in bitcoin.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056539 = 2.6573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00056028 = 0.5603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3671 @ 0.00056027 = 2.0568 BTC [-]
Ukto: that bitocin has no monetary value?
Ukto: youare 100% correct atthat
midnightmagic: Purity of philosophical intent would be compromised.
mircea_popescu: the reason wow makes the claim it doesn't is because by not making it they'd claim the opposite
Ukto: burnside can not claim BTC has no value (which is being traded for virtually realistic shares of his real corporation)
Ukto: I agree with you? on all points?
Ukto: which of my comments am I now contridicting?
Ukto: i think that is where my confusion is comming from. :)
Ukto: alright lets go with that then :P
Ukto: I dont have apoitn sometimes
Ukto: i think he was trying to justify his sites as the same as wow and secondlife
Ukto: and I was just pointing out they are very different animals
mircea_popescu: “Tubes are going to destroy our industry,” says Sunny Leone, 29, an Indian-American knockout who is celebrating eight nominations this evening. “Fans don’t understand that if they don’t pay for porn, we can’t make a living. They’ll have to watch crazy European porn.”
Ukto: when you compare their behaviours and actions side by side
pigeons: ;;google sunny leone pictures
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00336715 = 4.943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1852 @ 0.00338189 = 6.2633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 396680 @ 0.003395 = 1346.7286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057053 = 2.4653 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12179 @ 0.00057082 = 6.952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005705 = 2.4651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2974 @ 0.00057082 = 1.6976 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Berlin (Germany) - A German man became so frustrated at his computer that he threw it out of his window, and the police reaction was essentially "we understand".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057397 = 2.4801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6079 @ 0.00057416 = 3.4903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53866353 = 538.6635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62061168 = 620.6117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00057416 = 10.5071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1168 @ 0.00057416 = 0.6706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9782 @ 0.00057483 = 5.623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057332 = 2.4773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14955 @ 0.00057313 = 8.5712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1623 @ 0.00056471 = 0.9165 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i was hoping for the bitmag stuff to bridge us over till the weekend and then maybe bfl stuff
mircea_popescu: but seriously, the first fizzled, the 2nd is like... meh...
mircea_popescu: what the hell, you telling me bit4x trades 10-100k btc a month nao ?!
kakobrekla: noone can do a serious dent in the book
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00056651 = 2.436 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the simplest solution would maybe adding text reading : This not valid past X date, where X is maybe 24 hoursi n the future
mircea_popescu: this way a merchant would be pretty boneheaded to allow it. in conjunction with a "To be used exclusively on Y" it should do the trick.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: ROFLOL
mircea_popescu: nanotube but yes it's why i've never used that method, only ;;eauth
nanotube: mircea_popescu: yea the signed message bit could use some foolproofing.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056887 = 7.4363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00057059 = 5.7915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00057219 = 11.4724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11778 @ 0.00057457 = 6.7673 BTC [+]
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Ukto has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 #bitcoin-assets, smpake, bit4x and so forth
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mircea_popescu: much to my surprise kakobrekla is actually older than me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00056651 = 0.0119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3681 @ 0.00056631 = 2.0846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7842 @ 0.00056903 = 4.4623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057442 = 2.4821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9822 @ 0.00057457 = 5.6434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406 @ 0.00057483 = 0.2334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53843543 = 538.4354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.62039873 = 620.3987 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think there's anything wrong with public discussion, leaves a record
Ukto: I just wanted to see if he will end it. :P
Ukto: Would you could you, on a train? would you could you, please refrain? :P
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.13522323 = 135.2232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.18543554 = 185.4355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.24475155 = 244.7516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005746 = 2.4828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00057483 = 2.0987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.003395 = 13.2405 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: I am still curious why the servers in panama and not the us or belize?
Ukto: esp. when you have your own hosting company
burnside: eh, belize didn't have any good options
Ukto: I've been poking fun at you all day in here. :P
burnside: panama seemed at the time to have good connectivity and the boxes were cheap
burnside: I didn't want to expose the hosting company to the risk.
Ukto: wouldnt it just be another customer?
burnside: I could tell 'them' that. Do you think they would belive me?
Ukto: or are you afriad your shareholdings would tie things together too much?
Ukto: so you are worried about 'them' :P
burnside: nah, honestly, I went into this just wanting to code a cool site and sell it.
burnside: nobody bought, and I had already coded it.
Ukto: noithing like taking on another project you didnt want :P
Ukto: the css updates were nice tho
burnside: I have to grow it to where someone else thinks it's worth taking over.
Ukto: well, just keep selling your shares at 200l each, and youll get there :P
burnside: I was surprised how easy css3 makes it... it's been a while since I've done html/css stuff.
Ukto: kakobrekla: whats that?
kakobrekla: 02:17.13 ( burnside ) I have to grow it to where someone else thinks it's worth taking over.
burnside: I've been clear in many threads across many posts that we're looking for large investors to become involved.
burnside: investors outside the US that are willing to do the AML share registration and be corporate officers, etc.
kakobrekla: 02:16.28 ( burnside ) nah, honestly, I went into this just wanting to code a cool site and sell it.
burnside: yup, one leads into the other.
burnside: think for a second about how I get from (A) to (B)
burnside: (A) get investors, let them do the business pieces. (B) I get to be the programmer and do the part that is fun for me.
Ukto: er D? none of the above. lol
burnside: I did my part (B), and (A) never showed.
Ukto: well, at least you got someone in belize to act as a local director
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.00057483 = 5.2085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11418 @ 0.00057489 = 6.5641 BTC [+]
burnside: I'll keep doing my bit, and hopefully (A) will show.
burnside: yeah, we have a local director and local nominee shareholder.
Ukto: Although, wont Belize shut the corporation down eventually? Or is it a non profit?
burnside: I do have to file annual tax returns
burnside: not sure what the tax rate is.
Ukto: most countries require that a company has to show actual profits (Sometimes of amounts) within X years, or they shut down the corp and deem it as a hobby
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 400 @ 0.18676245 = 74.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 600 @ 0.23601245 = 141.6075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 800 @ 0.29397906 = 235.1832 BTC [+]
burnside: Since the company itself will only be converting enough commodities to cover costs, I'm not super worried about it.
burnside: We will have to show a profit in 5 years, but that becomes an exercise to tackle in year 4.5.
Ukto: you said the company does not profit in currency
Ukto: "Further, we are not exchanging virtual goods for real currency. So there is no exposure there either. The company does not profit in currency. "
Ukto: So I was confused by that
burnside: well, there's right now. there's tomorrow. there's next month. next year. and 4.5 years from now. which do you want?
Ukto: The commodity has a value, the govts generally want you to est. that value when you give it to people
Ukto: there is bartering value
burnside: that is true. in the us you're supposed to track the bartering value
Ukto: i think you may have covered in the tax stuff with gigamining you said
Ukto: when you give out a commodity to people
Ukto: and you are supposed to declare
Ukto: that with your businesses taxes, as an expense of sorts
Ukto: you can get that value easily, by taking the amounts held back and converted to currency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 45815 @ 0.003395 = 155.5419 BTC [+]
burnside: you have to keep in mind that for BTC Trading Co, I have to approach taxes from the perspective of the Belize gov't.
burnside: For me personally, I have to approach taxes from the US gov't.
burnside: So yes, I will be reporting any profit on any crypto that I convert to USD.
dub: man I just got the shit shot out of me playing paintball
dub: including a point blank to the back of the head team kill
gribble: Error: 'tumblr.com' is not a valid nick.
dub: tumblr.com has no A record
dub: its just the a records too, ns/mx is fine
dub: and should take ~7 seconds to fix
dub: they suck and gay nigger assoc of america?
mircea_popescu: "when i use my picture viewer i can click through some pictures then my mouse turns into that little loading circle thing and wont go away and it gets like a grey tint over the picture. If i try using the task manager i try to end the program but it dosent go away and the x wont work either? and when i was using itunes i was playing a song and then i tried switching to another one and it started making a loud noise tha
mircea_popescu: t did not sound good and i couldnt shut down my computer at that point like the power button wouldnt even work and i had to take the battery out." this just for dub.
dub: think im growing another knee where I got hit at close range on the knee
dub: a purple and black version
dub: mircea_popescu: wat?
dub: i once worked internet helpdesk dude, you cant teach me about pebkac
mircea_popescu: i never did, but it amuses me to torment people with it
dub: funnily I see more retardation in the engineering and security space than residential internet users
dub: [13:53] <Diablo-D3> I cleaned out all the bfl crap from the custom hardware forum
dub: 13:53] <Diablo-D3> bfl can have one thread and thats it
mircea_popescu: a midnightmagic - usagi pit fight, i could watch that.
midnightmagic: If he provided the insurance, he has no business commenting in there and vouching for Douchebag McDoucherson.
mircea_popescu: "All you mining hashrate-based companies were betting against your customers"
mircea_popescu: not only is this correct, but let's not forget the scam was actually initiated, proof-of-concepted and prototyped by that asshole meni rosenfeld
midnightmagic: Also, usagi would be crushed like an insect, were I a warlike individual. I am not, and so what would happen is, the crowd would yell "Fight" and I'd offer usagi some coffee and sit down for a game of cribbage.
mircea_popescu: who is possibly the brain behind half btc scams to date.
midnightmagic: I meant that as a querulous-but-interested question-mark.
mircea_popescu: then hk did something, then giga did his in april, then a bunch of smaller guys
mircea_popescu: including psychoticboy, ciuciu and the rest of the follower crowd
dub: anyone with an idea of costs to putting a dev or two under nda?
dub: I assume its fairly boilerplate stuff with a few lawyer hours required
mircea_popescu: cost as for the nda drafting or as to the dev signing ?
dub: shouldnt be any cost to making the dev sign?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00057335 = 13.0724 BTC [-]
dub: job is under nda, take or leave mr dev
dub: I don't get paid more when I sign NDAs
mircea_popescu: if they do you can probably expect a significant paycheck increase.
mircea_popescu: problem with being a dev is that previous ndas tend to fuck you over when you start new projects
mircea_popescu: in the case old employer wants to fuck over a start-up, he can
dub: it sorta comes with teh whole design engineer PD
midnightmagic: Well, here's the thing. If the price is competitive, then ROI is possible.
mircea_popescu: the trick to making one acceptable is drafting it VERY narrowly
mircea_popescu: which is why you may need a decent lawyer and some time.
dub: im not asking how much I have to pay a de
dub: oh, I was thinking 10's
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic honestly, i don't think any glbse user has any recourse for anything whatsoever. the contracts weren't even signed ffs (when they existed)
mircea_popescu: it was a joke through and through. so, they paid, they played the investors. the beer's drunk, the smoke's smoked, bye.
midnightmagic: Legitimizing preying on ignorance means that you legitmize preying on anyone. It presupposes that the only person who shouldn't be blamed for losing their own money is basically God.
midnightmagic: Therefore, any fraud, against anyone, no matter how obtuse they were with their money management, is wrong.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's what glbse was. legitimizing preying on ignorance
mircea_popescu: deliberately inflating unwarranted presumptions of the suckers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00057343 = 3.9567 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: You Europeans have a really dim view of the people you call "suckers" I'm learning.
mircea_popescu: fine. deliberately inflating unwarranted presumptions of innocent ignoramuses apt to believe something is true because 50 different screen names all "Agree"
mircea_popescu: and the one pr two who say otherwise are "evil" because "different"
dub: midnightmagic: there are a couple of primary assumptions that are qutie different in say america to many other places
dub: midnightmagic: one is 'that person walkign the other way down the street probably doesnt want to kill me and take my shit'
dub: in eastern europe in particular that would be assumed false afaik
mircea_popescu: dub : earlier today was someone at the gate. guess who ?
mircea_popescu: cabdriver i had used 3 days prior. he was returning a scarf some slut forgot in his car.
dub: someone not tryign to kill and steal from you?
mircea_popescu: "he would have come sooner but it's kinda far out so he waited for a ride close"
midnightmagic: dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear.
dub: mircea_popescu: out of heart kindness or fear of you guttin ghim?
dub: midnightmagic: derp :)
mircea_popescu: ten years ago i'd have agreed with you on he later score, but fact is nobody knows me here
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00057137 = 6.2279 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and the last murder in this (300k pop) town was about 3 years ago
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mircea_popescu: tun means cannon in romanian which makes this sorta funny
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6279 @ 0.00057137 = 3.5876 BTC [-]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;calc 13.3903/[ticker --last]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.70000, Best ask: 13.70001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.70000, 24 hour volume: 38587.41290478, 24 hour low: 13.30000, 24 hour high: 13.79989, 24 hour vwap: 13.61205
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057169 = 2.4703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3021 @ 0.00057137 = 1.7261 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5251 @ 0.00057512 = 3.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2170 @ 0.00057582 = 1.2495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:X.EWTI] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.06666667 / 0.06678667 / 0.066794 (1061 shares, 70.86 BTC)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19179 @ 0.0005672 = 10.8783 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that may be something to do, since it takes a little skill to use
smickles: only one or two people actually seem to talk to the organizer of such things
thestringpuller: i would have to create some account with a third party like you smickles
thestringpuller: and I'd have to get people to give you money to put in that account to put into MPBOR
thestringpuller: usually gas skyrockets every winter but this winter it didn't
mircea_popescu: "For what it's worth, I think bASIC should also have a scammer tag. I don't get how they had a working prototype and suddenly have no design."
Ukto: my family ownes mineral rights to alot of natural gas wells around texas etc
Ukto: if NG is not in demand
Ukto: they basically shut the wells down
Ukto: so when winter comes
Ukto: there are so many wells ready to pump, theres not enough demand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057015 = 2.4636 BTC [+]
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Ukto: not doign a tree this year
Ukto: when the youngest is 3
Ukto: then ima piss teh wife off
Ukto: and get a flocked tree
Ukto: (the ones that have been sprayed with teh white shit)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8183 @ 0.00056959 = 4.661 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057193 = 2.4713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13670 @ 0.00057203 = 7.8197 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: for the shit stirrers to stir the f*cking shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056744 = 2.4519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1171 @ 0.0005672 = 0.6642 BTC [-]
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Ukto: man.. I stop posting.. and the fourms go silent :P
Namjies: It's an illusion... but so long as you don't hear it.
Ukto: prolly would not have picked BF anywho tho
Namjies: By the way, I still lack 72 BTC funding for my loan. Anyone interested to lend me till the 10th of January?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.0005668 = 8.2469 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ima make so much money by diff not going over 9000 next year...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.000572 = 2.4716 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00057305 = 5.9345 BTC [+]
Namjies: Is that your impression of people mass buying ASICs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00056684 = 1.8989 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057229 = 2.4729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17610 @ 0.00057233 = 10.0787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2269 @ 0.00057305 = 1.3003 BTC [+]
jcpham: sexy. also learned everytime i edit i spam twitter
mircea_popescu: then it was gonna be now and now it's gonna be january... it ain't happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056639 = 2.4474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00056631 = 4.697 BTC [-]
Namjies: Well on a sidenote, GLBSE giving out info wasn't happening either...
Namjies: Although it was also a possibility
Namjies: Seems it's going to be partial info so far.
Namjies: Well it's either not happening or getting at least screwed up somewhat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056643 = 2.4475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14388 @ 0.00056631 = 8.1481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9291 @ 0.00056471 = 5.2467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00056793 = 10.8475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00056471 = 3.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11214 @ 0.00056203 = 6.3026 BTC [-]
dub: where is th elatest from bfl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22416 @ 0.00056203 = 12.5985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 784 @ 0.00056193 = 0.4406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00056193 = 8.3166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10178 @ 0.00056589 = 5.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.00056276 = 0.8464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17096 @ 0.00056293 = 9.6239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056226 = 2.4295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4982 @ 0.00056861 = 2.8328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00056877 = 5.7218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2040 @ 0.00056877 = 1.1603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2613 @ 0.00056946 = 1.488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24402 @ 0.00057002 = 13.9096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00056844 = 4.1053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056307 = 2.433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00056274 = 10.3263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15114 @ 0.0005604 = 8.4699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 878 @ 0.00056651 = 0.4974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056982 = 2.4622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15819 @ 0.00057002 = 9.0171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15332 @ 0.00057054 = 8.7475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00057038 = 1.9393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056044 = 2.4217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4986 @ 0.0005604 = 2.7942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4128 @ 0.00056027 = 2.3128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13012 @ 0.00056019 = 7.2892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00056009 = 0.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53 @ 0.00056008 = 0.0297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056043 = 2.4216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19329 @ 0.00056008 = 10.8258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00056637 = 1.6142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3318 @ 0.00056008 = 1.8583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6882 @ 0.00055966 = 3.8516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 921 @ 0.00057038 = 0.5253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7018 @ 0.00057054 = 4.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8878 @ 0.00057067 = 5.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5611 @ 0.0005707 = 3.2022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057045 = 2.4649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.0005707 = 3.1052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00057102 = 2.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00057083 = 2.4666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1935 @ 0.00057102 = 1.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13644 @ 0.00057146 = 7.797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11922 @ 0.00057146 = 6.8129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78 @ 0.0005717 = 0.0446 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: "Diablo-D3 | there are bfl posts everywhere that need to be dealt with" - why?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.0005717 = 5.9743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5582 @ 0.00334312 = 18.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00334136 = 8.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00056776 = 6.5292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00055997 = 2.4196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4998 @ 0.00055966 = 2.7972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2694 @ 0.00055949 = 1.5073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1668 @ 0.00333738 = 5.5667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1797 @ 0.00335085 = 6.0215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 630 @ 0.003395 = 2.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00056274 = 1.3506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.00056249 = 1.0805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0005625 = 11.9813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00056275 = 10.7485 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10462 @ 0.00056419 = 5.9026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056212 = 2.4289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18653 @ 0.00056207 = 10.4843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056397 = 2.4369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00056419 = 3.1809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1370 @ 0.0005717 = 0.7832 BTC [+]
Ukto: I think theymos should make a Troll tag
Ukto: and let ppl donate towards it on ppl
Ukto: so you would donate X btc to (person)
Ukto: once that person earns 10btc in troll donations
Ukto: they get Troll tagged
Graet: getting Graet ? i'm a Bitcoin-asset? you are floating me?
Ukto: now shut up and get back in the box
Ukto: need a club for ppl accused of being scammers that got away
Ukto: I think I made some big progress for BF tonight
Ukto: looks like I may have 1~3 new assets for BF
PsychoticBoy: lets call it a I got nothing to do so lets pollute some threads with bullshit¨ tag
Ukto: PsychoticBoy: you should take a brether and relax :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00056505 = 3.5598 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: some ppl on the forum make my blood boil, not only mpoe but lots of other mentally disabled ppl
Ukto: for some people, its their job
Ukto: I am backing off from the forums a bit
Ukto: you should set that as a title
Ukto: just shuev it ppls faces
Ukto: could mean any number of things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056228 = 2.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00056208 = 3.3045 BTC [-]
Ukto: isnt that the point of forums?
PsychoticBoy: I dont care any more, ppl are taking to much drugs (silk road) bitcoin is bad hmmkay
PsychoticBoy: look at the replies ppl make on the forum, cant be natural
Ukto: havent watched since season 3 or so
Ukto: thought I did catch an episde of garrison as a woman screaming "Yeah! I'm a monkey! give this money what she wants! Put it in my monkey hole!"
Ukto: didnt know monkey hole was a real term for smething until then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00056504 = 2.4415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8891 @ 0.00056505 = 5.0239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00056505 = 5.8251 BTC [+]
Ukto: i think he was venting lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6201 @ 0.00056772 = 3.5204 BTC [+]
Ukto: I was watching a youtube video
Ukto: was working out a deal for BF
Ukto: to get some good assets.. (kinda related to mpex) and trading volume
Ukto: but were still closing on the details. :)
Ukto: hoefully get to relesae details later today/tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6304 @ 0.00056772 = 3.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00056208 = 2.6817 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6375 @ 0.00056207 = 3.5832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00057057 = 9.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00057057 = 1.7973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30502 @ 0.0005717 = 17.438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00057192 = 10.9809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8562 @ 0.00057193 = 4.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5059 @ 0.00057226 = 2.8951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10899 @ 0.00057305 = 6.2457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00057311 = 6.8773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27419 @ 0.00057433 = 15.7476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00057487 = 7.4158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00057498 = 9.2572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00057508 = 10.4952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00057518 = 16.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00057518 = 11.8199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00057519 = 15.5876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1543 @ 0.00057582 = 0.8885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00057661 = 11.0997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24613 @ 0.00057781 = 14.2216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00057795 = 13.8997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.000578 = 5.9534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00057817 = 13.0377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00057821 = 10.4656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25737 @ 0.00057858 = 14.8909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00057868 = 12.3259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00057954 = 4.1437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00057959 = 6.3175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00057969 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13145 @ 0.00057996 = 7.6236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00058009 = 12.0369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00058024 = 7.4851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.0005805 = 6.7338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12256 @ 0.00058051 = 7.1147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00058095 = 4.0376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00058095 = 9.8181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00058115 = 6.6832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6989 @ 0.00058126 = 4.0624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00058171 = 23.0066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00058188 = 6.3425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11427 @ 0.00058195 = 6.6499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00058227 = 1.4266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00058237 = 4.2513 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17045 @ 0.00058238 = 9.9267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.00058258 = 31.6632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6257 @ 0.00058265 = 3.6456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00058277 = 2.8556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00058303 = 9.0953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35234 @ 0.00058318 = 20.5478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4347 @ 0.00058376 = 2.5376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00058378 = 4.0281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00058407 = 17.6389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00058481 = 6.7253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22294 @ 0.00058493 = 13.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24811 @ 0.00058536 = 14.5234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00058574 = 11.2169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17998 @ 0.00058607 = 10.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00058667 = 9.5334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25071 @ 0.00058681 = 14.7119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00058699 = 14.2345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00058726 = 8.2216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00058784 = 9.6406 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4396 @ 0.00058787 = 2.5843 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29666 @ 0.00058799 = 17.4433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5814 @ 0.00058862 = 3.4222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00058907 = 2.1207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0005891 = 16.6126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00058962 = 13.3549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21633 @ 0.00059022 = 12.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00059089 = 5.7021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00059167 = 7.8154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15444 @ 0.00059263 = 9.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00059349 = 6.7955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 847980 @ 0.0006 = 508.788 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: manufacturing is late August to September, 2012. The chips are supposed to be
mircea_popescu: deployed and start hashing in October to November, 2012.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing quite as grand as reading old asic corps threads.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00059638 = 10.9138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10235 @ 0.0006 = 6.141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0006 = 4.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9821 @ 0.0006 = 5.8926 BTC [+]
sgnb: mircea_popescu: why not currency futures?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0005994 = 4.3157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20956 @ 0.0006 = 12.5736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0005994 = 4.5554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00059725 = 6.4503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34465 @ 0.0006 = 20.679 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: A million is chump change. Go for a quadrillion like those derivatives guys.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.47526087 = 475.2609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.40134783 = 401.3478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25837 @ 0.0006 = 15.5022 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 well i was talking about mkt value not about notional trade. also, 1 mn btc = 1 quadrillion soon enough :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00059725 = 18.4849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.DEC] 1 @ 0.0327929 BTC
B0g4r7: lol asics. So now ngzhang has confirmed that Avalon is also skipping the MPW step and going directly to full wafer production.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059757 = 2.5821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8079 @ 0.00059725 = 4.8252 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: Kinda looks like way, for all 3 vendors.
thestringpuller: I thought of that meme with the dog holding the test tubes
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.62001, Best ask: 13.62002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.62001, 24 hour volume: 36800.77371952, 24 hour low: 13.30000, 24 hour high: 13.79989, 24 hour vwap: 13.61761
B0g4r7: revenue stream defines you!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00059991 = 1.9797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5260 @ 0.00059725 = 3.1415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00059638 = 4.2343 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3640 @ 0.00059161 = 2.1535 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm curious actually when will mpex dividend payments outstrip mining revenue for that month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1356 @ 0.00332457 = 4.5081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2144 @ 0.00332298 = 7.1245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1021 @ 0.00059991 = 0.6125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24429 @ 0.0006 = 14.6574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18677 @ 0.0006 = 11.2062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1699 @ 0.00060004 = 1.0195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00060004 = 5.7604 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: cash flow is a better term, albeit a great volume of capital flows through btc, most btc transactions are satoshi dice...
thestringpuller: btc needs to be used for large payments and create some kind of cashflow climate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14149 @ 0.00060004 = 8.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00060106 = 3.7867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060152 = 14.7372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0006124 = 6.2465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16107 @ 0.00061252 = 9.8659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ACOG] 175 @ 0.05713408 = 9.9985 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: however my concern is that as btc businesses grow, those business owners won't want to invest in other companies, due to the astronomical chance of losing money
assbot: [MPEX] [X.INKG] 44 @ 0.07458535 = 3.2818 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller depends a lot on what busienss and who runs them
mircea_popescu: nobody will ever want to invest in childish glbse-level bullcrap.
PsychoticBoy: mircea could you asked that hooker of yours to quit crapping on forum threads since she/he/you are/is fucking annoying
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 600 @ 0.23166011 = 138.9961 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: but if that shit stirrer got nothing bright to say, then its better to say nothing
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ALCG] 500 @ 0.10144961 = 50.7248 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: right. the principle is good, stick with it : if you have nothing intelligent to say stfu.
B0g4r7: There's a lot of that going around on the internets.
PsychoticBoy: here in the west we puke on east european crap spewers
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well glbse is akin to this asic nonsense, a lot of money just disappearing with nothing to show
thestringpuller: which is the symptom of a dying business, or an abomination that is called a business
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if bfl actually croaks that'll be a valley of tears.
mircea_popescu: leaving alone that the two other asic troops came out with comparable news.
thestringpuller: but if nothing can be produced with the capital less people will be willing to invest
thestringpuller: people should start simple, like selling large amounts of commodities
B0g4r7: I wonder what the BFL books look like. I understand they only caught up on FPGA orders long after they started taking asic money.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 something like, +1-200k on fpga, +2ish mn from vc +3ish mn from pre-orders -.5 mn for expenses -2ish mn for failed run -.8mn for refunds
B0g4r7: I also wonder how many worthless million-dollar masksets they've bought so far.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: all I'm saying is that only a few businesses have sustainability and a sustainable income stream, you attract capital by creating jobs or creating "useful shit"
B0g4r7: Assuming they've not snorted it all.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, creating jobs as a pretend-value proxy is a government racket.
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ISP5] 120 @ 0.10902456 = 13.0829 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i mispoke, i forget I"m speaking to mr. rothbard and not mr. keynes (i kid), value creates income streams in which other people can access a job is merely trading time and some kind of skill to contribute to the business in exchange for access to the revenue stream
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ASBG] 120 @ 0.11401584 = 13.6819 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: a business that creates sustainable value will have recurring revenue to show for it
thestringpuller: the thing about it is that most code review for large projects is done in house no?
B0g4r7: That's how we did it at the software house.
thestringpuller: i feel like your target market would be financial firms who connect to the banks
B0g4r7: The only external review was one "security audit" of some sensitive code.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i feel as though this would be best suited for smaller projects
B0g4r7: Internally, on the other hand, every single commit got peer-reviewed, and went through rounds of revisions if recommended, before being merged into Trunk.
thestringpuller: so the most credible programmer I know atm writes compilers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059936 = 2.5898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 429 @ 0.00059905 = 0.257 BTC [-]
jurov: hehe looks like genjix/amir has made some friends around here in slovakia
mircea_popescu: <B0g4r7> The only external review was one "security audit" of some sensitive code. << this is exactly it tho
jurov: i just got an information "amir is going to organize another bitcoin conference"
jurov: "but in novemnber, he wants to have 2000 paople there"
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> so your base expense is like like what 32000 a month? << that's 2k btc. no big deal.
assbot: [MPEX] [X.ACCA] 3 @ 0.18677491 = 0.5603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15871 @ 0.00059905 = 9.5075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059167 = 2.5566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15860 @ 0.00059161 = 9.3829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5489 @ 0.00059133 = 3.2458 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: My brother makes indie games.
mircea_popescu: meh. that teppy guy made a game, it looks pretty grim.
B0g4r7: Compete with rockstar huh.
B0g4r7: I'll bet a lot of Rockstar's success can be attributed to slick marketing.
thestringpuller: they almost went under when EA went on an acquisition spree
thestringpuller: but they built a lot of stuff in house that likely sells for quite a bit
B0g4r7: Rockstar Studios, makers of GTA, Manhunt, and other fucked-up titles.
mircea_popescu: i think i played some nude/porn mod for it for 5 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059211 = 2.5585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00059221 = 2.8598 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: I played it for a while. It gets old in a hurry for me.
B0g4r7: I much prefer to play Zelda or similar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059153 = 2.556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4584 @ 0.00059133 = 2.7107 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: 06:34 < mircea_popescu> there's nothing quite as grand as reading old asic corps threads. <-- to which corp are you referring?
assbot: [MPEX] [X.EHOG] 59 @ 0.22696117 = 13.3907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059168 = 2.5566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3380 @ 0.00059133 = 1.9987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00059055 = 6.3484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8233 @ 0.00059 = 4.8575 BTC [-]
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 30000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3370181.79928, is 5 days, 14 hours, 1 minute, and 34 seconds
dub: jurov: you should organise to film someone reasonably eloquent challenging Amir on his bitcoin 'expertise'
jurov: maybe mpoe-pr can come from timisoara, it's just 500km to here... not sure if i'll be able to pay her, tho :)
jurov: perhaps we can collect
dub: I vote we send Mircea
jurov: haha. infact the chocolate fatory is in kittsee right here over the border
jurov: hehe... i actually expected it few weeks earlier, so i got these loans
jurov: the day i repaid last of them, it went amok
kakobrekla: cause we bought with the repaid loan money!
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00055949 / 0.00058083 / 0.00061252 (4203825 shares, 2,441.74 BTC), 30day: 0.00048504 / 0.00051854 / 0.00061252 (102523166 shares, 53,162.72 BTC)
jurov: oh nooo, just some 240btc
mircea_popescu: you boing-boing to this genjix thing jurov is organising ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00059 = 2.065 BTC [-]
jurov: this was my reply translated "i want to make some money, not thrown down new world ordewr or wharever like amir. that will be just side effect"
jurov: oh no... my keyboard skillz
mircea_popescu: we're finally in the < 20% a year inflation, which makes us akin to developing countries.
jurov: haha we have kinda developing country demographic, too
jcpham: YO I HEARD 4CHAN ACCEPTS BITCOIN NOW
jcpham: Pass purchasing is currently disabled, please come back in 2 hours.
mircea_popescu: Due to some confusion in writing correctly, this thread made fun & i lost my anger.
mircea_popescu: I request mods to delete this thread, as it has no use.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 752 @ 0.00332298 = 2.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2448 @ 0.00332218 = 8.1327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00059 = 10.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059217 = 2.5588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00059221 = 2.6715 BTC [+]
Ukto: what does this stupid threat keep bumpig & resetting to unread even though its locked???
kakobrekla: the guy is obviously retarded attention whore
Ukto: any forum mods on hand?
Ukto: hes really gotten under my skin lately
Ukto: knowing how late he was awake, hes gotta be asleeper by nice
Ukto: do they mods actually check the 'report post' stuff ?
Ukto: or is that a days later thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059219 = 2.5589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5929 @ 0.00059221 = 3.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61654734 = 616.5473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.5342946 = 534.2946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2242 @ 0.00059009 = 1.323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53425942 = 534.2594 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61651474 = 616.5147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00059221 = 5.3595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4510 @ 0.00059221 = 2.6709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17598 @ 0.00059858 = 10.5338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2142 @ 0.00059925 = 1.2836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00059009 = 1.2268 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28995 @ 0.00059 = 17.1071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.61641271 = 616.4127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.53414929 = 534.1493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0005901 = 2.5498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24679 @ 0.00059 = 14.5606 BTC [-]
Namjies: I would say trolling account?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00059 = 7.67 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: These bursts of high volume started the day after Erik came back from his meeting in Macau with casino owners. Maybe casinos there are doing some robustness testing? It's pocket change for them.
mircea_popescu: i know i wouldn't make an offer before i tried to break it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059295 = 2.5621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3279 @ 0.00059308 = 1.9447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059305 = 2.5626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6469 @ 0.00059308 = 3.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2545 @ 0.00059495 = 1.5141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059005 = 2.5496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7784 @ 0.00059 = 4.5926 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: SD Profit after fees: 16230.26831626 BTC (1.306%) end of nov
mircea_popescu: SD Profit before fees: 20620.58601763 BTC (1.478%) 10 dec
Ukto: when do divs get paid?
pigeons: so disappointed, i thought it was a dtng link
Ukto: I am working on uhh.. making it possible to get sdice shares w/o having mpex account before then.
Ukto: hopefully by this weekend
Ukto: mircea_popescu: no offense
Ukto: just the fact that I wont be buying directly on mpex hehe
Ukto: you prefer being a wholesaler
Ukto: fewer individuals, and more bulk users
Ukto: i just ment sorry that I wont be directly giving you the fees
mircea_popescu: course, i don't see how you'd have a PT w/o actually holding the shares
Ukto: mircea_popescu: hopefully "we" will annonce soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059871 = 2.587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14679 @ 0.0005989 = 8.7913 BTC [+]
Ukto: just waiting to work out the final details
jurov: coinbr will probably offer limited free account to finally get rid of this passthrough nonsense
Ukto: jurov: the PT is for a BF asset
mircea_popescu: jurov sounds more like some sort of synthetic offering
Ukto: i planto buy some shares myself
jurov: ok, i don't hold my breath. if you offered S.MPOE options/ futures, now that would be interesting
Ukto: but it would be an an mpex passthru to s.dice yes
Ukto: as a passthrough asset? not really possibly... a fund that manages them.. sure.. but not direct passthroughs
Ukto: BF wasnt really setup with the idea of assets that regularly end
Ukto: wasnt the initial intention
Ukto: not that its not doable mind you...
Ukto: using the current functionality it woudl work just fine I suppose
mircea_popescu: Ukto i think futures may be doable. options tho... not so much
Ukto: just issue shares at X price... let ppl trade them.. and use force buyback and Y price
Ukto: look who you are talking to
Ukto: I have the otc-style btc/(aud/cad/usd) options on weex
Ukto: was debating transfering that code into BF for btc/(asset) options trading
Ukto: crypto did somethign similar.. doesnt seem to be getting used there
Ukto: but neither does their site in general
pigeons: i think the mpbor etf would be good too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059882 = 2.5875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5871 @ 0.0005989 = 3.5161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00059925 = 7.5853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00060049 = 0.9608 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually a mpbor etf is pretty much the only legitimate etf in btc space i can see
mircea_popescu: because it takes some thinking to get the capital split up right to optimize your reward
mircea_popescu: lol i think smickles is so happy for having escaped glbse he's not gonna for months
Ukto: anyone here know Cartnh? from the forums ?
jcpham: smickles superb premium deluxe coin llc dot com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00060049 = 13.0607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00060136 = 11.3356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.0006018 = 1.2337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0006018 = 5.0852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7398 @ 0.00060263 = 4.4583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2151 @ 0.00060263 = 1.2963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6399 @ 0.00061001 = 3.9035 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: you tehre?
Ukto: the bids tabe for an asset on btct.co is listing a price of ? 1.0E-5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12076 @ 0.00059992 = 7.2446 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of using base 7 for all numbers on mpex
kakobrekla: its alright after some time you just go after the pattern
jcpham: i feel sick when i sel my bitcoins
kakobrekla: thats a good plan not errybody can follow
dub: [16:40] <mircea_popescu> i was thinking of using base 7 for all numbers on mpex
jcpham: sooner or later i have to sell something to profit
kakobrekla: just make it anal while you are at it.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.75004, Best ask: 13.75005, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.75004, 24 hour volume: 23515.12067156, 24 hour low: 13.40011, 24 hour high: 13.80000, 24 hour vwap: 13.67913
jcpham: this always happens when i sell
jcpham: similarly if I were to buy them, the price would go down
Ukto: that asshat did it again
Ukto: relocked his thread to bump it
Ukto: Diablo-D3: you awake yet? :P
kakobrekla: markedathome heh, well.. wristwatches... theres is a reason why i dont wear em.
dub: Ukto: he's generally not on IRC when asleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 283 @ 0.00332218 = 0.9402 BTC [-]
Ukto: the guy keeps bumping his thread
Ukto: was suggested hes unlocking, empty editing ro something, and locking it back
Ukto: he's done it at least 6 times that I have seen
Ukto: "Today at 03:25:26 PM with a smiley face
Ukto: he just keeps changing the emote it looks
Ukto: i am tired of it showing up as unread. :P
dub: yeah, Oh look the bitcoin forum is full of shit and syphalitic fuckheads, I am shocked!
Ukto: call it annoyence at him just pumping extra advertisement for btct.co in a shitty way
jcpham: what am i missing on the forum!>!?!?!?
Ukto: i thnk thats the honesty behind it
dub: jcpham: for once there is some drama
Ukto: <-- drama queen today
jcpham: where can i get my popcorn
dub: someone doesnt like someone else on the internet, all is lost
Ukto: dub: HE NEEDS SCAMMER TAG
kakobrekla: yeah errybody should get scammer tag by default when they register
jcpham: yeah the girl that just came in loved that picture btw
dub: need a ff plugin to ignore everyone without decent wot rating