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nefario: I don't get it
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: arent you a coder
nefario: I don't use and IDE
nefario: notepad.exe
nefario: :p
nefario: no I use emacs
kakobrekla: i dont use ide as well
DeaDTerra: I don't know it's a habit :P
kakobrekla: doesnt stop me from knowing //
DeaDTerra: I sign all my messages with //DeaDTerra
DeaDTerra: I am not a coder :(
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 18 @ 0.00998999 = 0.1798 BTC [-]
agath: notepad.exe? it makes me shiver
copumpkin: om nom nom
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 18 @ 0.00998 = 0.1796 BTC [-]
nefario: copumpkin: thats not an editor I know of
copumpkin: omnomnomicon!
nefario: yeah
nefario: type that on the command line
kakobrekla: its apt-get install omnomnomicon you fool!
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.09199997 = 4.6 BTC [-]
copumpkin: what is up with Chaang-Noi's mysterious nefario-accusing thread with no info on it?
nefario: he's drunk
nefario: got a shipment of tax free gin
copumpkin: nice
nefario: you can see the quality of his posts falling
kakobrekla: 120% drunk.
copumpkin: on a boat?
nefario: from each post to the next
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00040432 = 3.1133 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.09199997 = 0.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00336 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.0906 = 0.1812 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.0907 = 2.2675 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.0907 = 0.4535 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0907 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]
k3t3r: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <ticker> (desc: returns current GLBSE/MPEX ticker values)
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>] (desc: profit loss calc for GLBSE assets)
k3t3r: !ticker [YABMC]
kakobrekla: !ticker yabmc
assbot: Invalid ticker.
k3t3r: oops
k3t3r: haha
k3t3r: on goats gin
k3t3r: !ticker YABMC
assbot: [GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08185] [Ask: 0.0906] [Spread: 0.00875] [Last: 0.0907] [24hVol: 0.1816] [7dAvg: 0.08484319]
assbot: [GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08185] [Ask: 0.0906] [Spread: 0.00875] [Last: 0.0907] [24hVol: 0.1816] [7dAvg: 0.08484319]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: fuckyea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37268 @ 0.00040432 = 15.0682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33723 @ 0.0004055 = 13.6747 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0004071 = 18.5638 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7275 @ 0.00040791 = 2.9675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040895 = 7.5247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24238 @ 0.000413 = 10.0103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00041723 = 2.0862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19699 @ 0.00041856 = 8.2452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93797 @ 0.00042 = 39.3947 BTC [+]
Obsi: What's the lead time on GLBSE support requests these days?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 1 @ 0.9134576 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: minisplit
BTC-Mining: It was a bot and server is herding them to botland
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.64470008 = 3.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09039999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3661 @ 0.00028776 = 1.0535 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1343 @ 0.00028622 = 0.3844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5996 @ 0.00028416 = 1.7038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8695 @ 0.00028416 = 2.4708 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3605 @ 0.00028355 = 1.0222 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: goat, didnt you had your shot of hero when you made this thread? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.60
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.09030001 = 1.2642 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.0903 = 1.5351 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.084 = 0.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.083 = 0.332 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.0800005 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.08000002 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: obsi dump
Bugpowder: obsi already dumped
PsychoticBoy: what do you mean?
Bugpowder: buy now!
PsychoticBoy: I dumped obsi also if thats what you mean
PsychoticBoy: for 0.105 :D
BTC-Mining: Nefario, are you sure we can't have an option for account holdings to be public? or at least have an audit service?
nefario: did I say that you cant?
BTC-Mining: No, but I meant there's no *official* system to audit holdings
nefario: that would require auditors
BTC-Mining: or non-transactional API keys
BTC-Mining: or option
nefario: read only keys?
BTC-Mining: Aye. Or option, would be as simple as a checkbox that can be changed in settings. Then a page like https://glbse.com/api/public/username would check if that setting is set to true and return a list of holdings.
BTC-Mining: I think most funds/management based assets could benefit for that.
BTC-Mining: I don't see why auditors should waste time weekly to audit again and again when an API could manage that
nefario: api sounds likea good idea
BTC-Mining: aye, seems like a public api url + account setting checkbox would work great. Although it's up to you.
Audriux9: oho Olandai penkti
Audriux9: sorry wrong channel :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.67377958 = 3.3689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2495 @ 0.00028355 = 0.7075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4500 @ 0.00028342 = 1.2754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6405 @ 0.00028314 = 1.8135 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 7 @ 0.12499999 = 0.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 11 @ 0.125 = 1.375 BTC [+]
smickles: < nefario> that would require auditors << which would need to be cpa's in 'merica and ca's in UK
nefario: sorry what?
nefario: oh
smickles: in 'merica you have to be a CPA to perform an audit
nefario: chartered accountants
smickles: yup
nefario: yeah it depends
nefario: obviously
smickles: yes, but generally
nefario: we don't have the resources to employ full time auditors
smickles: even hourly would be ~200usd/hour
nefario: sure
nefario: must be a more economical/efficient method
nefario: auditing scripts that are public?
smickles: legally, for 'public' companies... not really
nefario: public companies no
nefario: no other choice
nefario: but lets talk about bitcoin listed projects
smickles: in some states a bookkeeper could audit a private company
nefario: and forget the term company
nefario: for the projects that are listed on GLBSE
nefario: there must be a way for us to allow auditing
nefario: or
nefario: a form of auditing
nefario: without them having to be 100% transparent to the public
smickles: for a project, maybe a bookkeeper, but if the state determines that it's a company, the bookkeeper is fucked
nefario: yeah
nefario: soooo
nefario: I was thinking
nefario: auditing scripts
nefario: I expose an API
nefario: that allows people to run auditing scripts
nefario: the scripts are not allowed to reveal actual information
nefario: but
nefario: can give something of a result
nefario: for example
nefario: I'm sure a script could be written
nefario: that would be able to detect ponzi like activity
nefario: or
nefario: paying dividends from initial capital that was raised
nefario: although
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 35 @ 0.08000001 = 2.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 61 @ 0.08 = 4.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.075 = 7.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.07402 = 0.2221 BTC [-]
nefario: I suppose someone would just need to move the BTC off GLBSE to fuck that idea up
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.074 = 1.036 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.073 = 1.825 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0721 = 0.1442 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.07202 = 0.6482 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 81 @ 0.07152 = 5.7931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.07021508 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 60 @ 0.07 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 108 @ 0.07 = 7.56 BTC [-]
smickles: yeah, there would be gaming and also. :
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [-]
smickles: suppose they raise capital off of glbse too, and pay dividends out of the capital they nominally raised on glbse
smickles: but 'actually' came from somewhere else
nefario: yeah
nefario: so
nefario: we need auditors
smickles: it's complicated stuff that takes a trained eye
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.09036999 = 0.6326 BTC [+]
smickles: even if it were legal for me to do it, i would be uncomfortable auditing all but the simplest business models
smickles: look to arthur anderson to see what hapens when you even unknowingly mess up
smickles: (enron for those who dont' get that)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0034 = 0.51 BTC [+]
smickles: Smoovious: i think BBBB leaves their funds on the exchange (or claims to anyway)
smickles: also BlueChip
smickles: (not sure of the ticker for bluechip)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.0034 = 0.102 BTC [+]
smickles: well, they curate other bitcoin assets
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0034 = 0.0068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7711 @ 0.00028314 = 2.1833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 184 @ 0.0002814 = 0.0518 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
smickles: someone buying up gsdtp it seems, 1 decibitcoin at a time
smickles: woah, nvm
smickles: there was a ~130btc buy not too long ago
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 200071 | Current Difficulty: 2864140.507811 | Next Difficulty At Block: 201599 | Next Difficulty In: 1528 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3203366.97605985 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.8439185272
kakobrekla: great.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.12199 = 0.7319 BTC [+]
smickles: 11% eh?
smickles: .py .35/.45
markac: 0.777777777778
mircea_popescu: whoa 3.2 mn ?!
kakobrekla: and asic isnt even close
smickles: what's that supposed to mean kakobrekla
BTC-Mining: Yeah, I was not talking about an "audit" audit
mircea_popescu: smickles we might see 10mn next year.
BTC-Mining: Just about making account data public
BTC-Mining: When required
BTC-Mining: So people can see if a fund's claimed holdings are indeed in the account.
smickles: mircea_popescu: so what, asic not going to makeas large of an impact as previously expected?
kakobrekla: smickles, it will take months before we see asic doing work
BTC-Mining: For example
mircea_popescu: smickles i have no ideea, the only thing seems to be that network hash output growth consistently beats expectations.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, might see 10mn? we gonna see 10mn. i bet 1 btc on it.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining maybe with a gpg signature of the exchange ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i ain't betting :p
kakobrekla: pussy.
BTC-Mining: Well the statement only guarantees the holdings at the time the person requested the data...
smickles: mircea_popescu only bets when it's a sure thing. like against me winning a 170 seat poker tourny
BTC-Mining: So I guess simply making the data API visible would be enough.
BTC-Mining: The signature wouldn't provide much at all.
smickles: would prevent fake data tho
BTC-Mining: If you access data directly on GLBSE.com, yes
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: also, if X claims to have had y at z time, the sig could prove past events
BTC-Mining: mircea, if someone has access to change that data, signing it would be just as possible. The person would have access to the server.
BTC-Mining: If the person can change data on GLBSE, it would affect any signed receipt.
smickles: MITM disagrees
smickles: BTC-Mining: wouldn't you want to publish the status you the things in your account?
BTC-Mining: I'd want the info to be made public
BTC-Mining: as in if, for example, I check a box in settings to make holdings public
BTC-Mining: glbse.com/api/public/username returns a list of holdings in that account
smickles: if it's only public via an api, you are excluding people from the trustable knowledge of the information
BTC-Mining: what?
smickles: well, if i don't know how/don't want to call on an api, then i cant trust someone else telling me the info unless it's signed by glbse
smickles: (or i trust that other person)\
BTC-Mining: Yeah, I meant the info to be shown directly on GLBSE
smickles: (but why add in that risk)
smickles: oh! like in the asset page?
BTC-Mining: Or on the API page. You don't need to make API calls to see API pages
BTC-Mining: It returns the value in an array
BTC-Mining: values*
smickles: yeah, but a lot of people need to clik a link for it to exist
BTC-Mining: Aye, anyway. I need something to spend BTC on.
smickles: spend it on accountanting services :)
BTC-Mining: Bleh, what for?
Bane_Capital: BTC-Mining: I like that you haven't bought mining hardware yet. Smart move.
smickles: BTC-Mining: because i'm going to start an accounting company once if finish this move
BTC-Mining: It's loaned to BitBond in exchange of hashing tho. I wonder what he spent it on.
smickles: I would tell you the name, buy i haven't reserved it yet
BTC-Mining: GPU/ASIC mix I would believe.
smickles: *the name of the company
BTC-Mining: We're a bit like a special shareholder in Bitbond.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6466 @ 0.0002814 = 1.8195 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining are you sure you understand how signed receipts work ? cause no, having access to the server wouldn't invalidate a signature.
BTC-Mining: It depends if the key and signature is done automatically from the server.
mircea_popescu: o boy.
mircea_popescu: we're going to have the 2 years of learning how to use wallets on servers
mircea_popescu: to get the signatures figured out too, huh.
mircea_popescu: 2015, 2020 ?
BTC-Mining: Ah, you're suggesting with the cold wallet's key? Would have to be manual signatures.
mircea_popescu: i'm not suggesting anything really.
mircea_popescu: just pointing out that a solution already exists.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 3 @ 0.00980001 = 0.0294 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Well the main point would be to not have someone always verifying accounts holdings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00042 = 10.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining you just publish your stats / dividend payment receipts.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00995 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 5 @ 0.00999998 = 0.05 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: But I can't publish that myself, the point would be for people to be able to verify themselves directly on GLBSE.com what a public account is holding.
mircea_popescu: but it's signed.
BTC-Mining: Signed by GLBSE? GLBSE needs to have the key on the server to generate signed receipts...
Bane_Capital: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xWW4WmBtk8
BTC-Mining: So if someone can change data on GLBSE... signed receipts are affected too...
BTC-Mining: Hence why sign receipts at all instead of just showing the data?
mircea_popescu: i dunno guy.
mircea_popescu: why do you even get a title deed instead of just being told you own the car ?
mircea_popescu: they could call you on the phone say.
BTC-Mining: The deed is different. It's to prove ownership.
mircea_popescu: ...
BTC-Mining: The data is so people not owning the account can verify the holdings on said accounts PRESENTLY. A signed receipt wouldn't guarantee anything 1 second afterward.
BTC-Mining: There's no purpose in holding the receipt, the purpose of that API feature would be for people to check an account's content live.
mircea_popescu: yes. and this is a bad ideea because there's a slew of legitimate reasons the holder might not want to make this available.
BTC-Mining: Yes... which is why it would be an option, not forced...
mircea_popescu: but anyway, enough of this. im not getting paid enough to save anyone work on the matter.
BTC-Mining: So funds manager may make their account holdings public if they wish so
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.78029213 = 780.2921 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-school-dances-20120922,0,3541288.story
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.3688 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: https://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1348354357380.png
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.5897 = 3.5382 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00980001 = 0.098 BTC [-]
smickles: "it's to prove ownership" BTC-Mining am i missing something here, or were you wanting to prove ownership of assets in a glbse account?
BTC-Mining: yes, but why sign it with GLBSE key instead of just showing it?
smickles: mircea_popescu: also, if i understand deeds correctly, their main purpose is to prevent the individual from owning the thing independantly. in the case of cars, you don't own your car, you and the state own that car
smickles: deeds/titles
smickles: BTC-Mining: so that you can have a record of that data which can be trusted
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 10 @ 0.00998 = 0.0998 BTC [-]
smickles: BTC-Mining: and it's trivial to do both at the same time
BTC-Mining: But the thing is, you don't need that record if GLBSE can just show it.
smickles: added benifit, no (real) extra cost
smickles: BTC-Mining: you do for independant reports/publications using that information
BTC-Mining: Especially since it doesn't make any guarantee the account is still in the same standings
smickles: the purpose of most all financial reports is to present the status at a given time anyway
BTC-Mining: Why would people take the time to verify the signature if they can just click a link to see it directly on GLBSE?
smickles: there could be many pointls of data (related or unrelated) which would require many lnk clicks, but only one sig verification command
BTC-Mining: If the link displays all the accounts hold, that wouldn't rquire more than 1 click...
Obsi: Did Gavin ever give that September announcement?
smickles: this is what i meant to imply by related or unrelated. the data presented could contain more than just the assets in the account link information
Bane_Capital: Obsi: The announcement was Stallman's plush GNU will now be auctioned off for Bitcoins.
BTC-Mining: Eh
BTC-Mining: But then we'd probably need account auditors to give only specific information and sign it from GLBSE
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4050 @ 0.0002814 = 1.1397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9550 @ 0.00028105 = 2.684 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: The whole point was for funds to make the holdings public if they wished so, so GLBSE doesn't have to manually confirm that.
smickles: BTC-Mining: also, can't a sig be verified offline?
BTC-Mining: Yes. For that it could be helpful except GLBSE users are anonymous and I can't send them documents offline.
smickles: well, didn't i suggest that the information be signed because it add benifit at almost no cost?
BTC-Mining: I suppose.
smickles: I don't see why you need a specific and complicated example to see the benifit in an exchange automatically signing a doc like you want.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.07002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 33 @ 0.07000001 = 2.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.07000001 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 185 @ 0.07 = 12.95 BTC [-]
smickles: not that it needs it, but that it benifits form it
smickles: *from
smickles: benefits
BTC-Mining: It's not very useful except for offline people however. And adds extra steps to verify signatures.
smickles: spelling
smickles: i think it's useful for online people too
BTC-Mining: How so?
smickles: if i wanted to presentthe traditional financial reports of a company and have the data verified by glbse
smickles: the api calls would show the current data, which would be out of date with the reports
BTC-Mining: Well... if they're online, we go back to clicking a link put in references to be easier...
smickles: but the links would show current data, not past data, right?
BTC-Mining: Ah, so it appears exactly as on the report...
BTC-Mining: Yes...
smickles: like i said earlier, x proves y at time z
smickles: trusted, because glbse signed the data
smickles: i'm sure there are many more situations too
BTC-Mining: Would get complicated to design systems for all these cases however.
smickles: signing the data?
BTC-Mining: No, making all the different automated processes.
BTC-Mining: For the last time the whole point is not relying on auditors working all the time to verify people's account constantly.
mircea_popescu: smickles the purpose of deeds isn't to prevent anyone from owning "independently"
[\\\]: just a formal way to identify the passing of ownership
[\\\]: no indian giving
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00995 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the title is just a conveniend way to cleave ownership and posession
mircea_popescu: w/o titles whoever drives the car owns it
mircea_popescu: with titles you can now lease your car, lend it, have vallet parking etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00042 = 10.101 BTC [+]
jcpham: i thought you were saying titties
jcpham: but it appears you are using the word titles
jcpham: meh
BTC-Mining: jcpham got all excited for a second.
BTC-Mining: He knows about mircea's other businesses...
BTC-Mining: No but if something happens... you can prove it's your car!
jcpham: i can use a gun to prove it's my car too
jcpham: just as convincing
BTC-Mining: Assuming you lose your ticket and the valet manages to forget which car you came with.
k3t3r: do you folk get to own your cars. we dont in UK we have to sign it over to the gov and we become a registered keeper.
mircea_popescu: eh ?
k3t3r: you dont have to pay taxes and the rest of the shit then
k3t3r: on your car that is
k3t3r: no registration /licence plates
mircea_popescu: registered keeper is when yiou keep someone else's car
k3t3r: in uk the person who buys the car is the registered keeper the governemtn owns the car
BTC-Mining: k3t3r: It's so government's agents can requisition the car? =P
k3t3r: yes
k3t3r: exaclty that
k3t3r: you sign you care over to gov, then theey can make demands with menaces
mircea_popescu: k3t3r that's bs.
k3t3r: pay tax or we take you car
k3t3r: buy insurance or we take the car
mircea_popescu: this would have nothing to do with "signing it oveR"
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 1 @ 0.00011001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 1 @ 0.00011 BTC [-]
k3t3r: it is to do with signing it over in uk.
mircea_popescu: the reason you MUST buy insurance, whether you want to or not, is that if you're the sort of idiot that thnks you're "signing your car over to thegovernment" you probably will hit my expensive mercedes with your rustbucket fiat
mircea_popescu: and i'm not paying for your illiteracy.
k3t3r: they cannot take your property unless you have commited a criminal offence
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 1 @ 0.01000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no, they can take your car just for being stupid.
k3t3r: you havent a clue
k3t3r: what country are you in
mircea_popescu: this makes a difference ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.1301 BTC [-]
k3t3r: in the uk you cannot drive a car unless you become the registered keeper
k3t3r: that means the DVLA own you car
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: who told you this ?
k3t3r: and they can take it if you dont play by their rules
assbot: [GLBSE] [TCC] 2 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who.told.you.this.
k3t3r: you know the differnce between legal and lawful
k3t3r: haha
mircea_popescu: sigh.
k3t3r: i am serious though you cann read the road traffic act
mircea_popescu: yes, i can. i doubt you can, but anyway. cite.
k3t3r: you dont have to believe ne i dont care either wya
k3t3r: just saying
mircea_popescu: dude.
mircea_popescu: you made a remarkably idiotic statement
mircea_popescu: when challenged you refer to the law
k3t3r: notice you attack the person not the argument
mircea_popescu: when asked to cite you claim you don't care
mircea_popescu: you're textbook stupid.
k3t3r: that is intelletually immature
mircea_popescu: great.
BTC-Mining: I should stop commenting on things. Seems it provokes arguments somehow... better stay silent.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 128 @ 0.123989 = 15.8706 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 372 @ 0.12399 = 46.1243 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with arguments, my ignore list has to be fed somehow.
mircea_popescu: "difference between legal and lawful", there's just no limit to the retardedness the internet brings forth
smickles: i don't cosider myself to be the owner of "my car" because I have to get state permission to sell it
mircea_popescu: eh ?!
mircea_popescu: smickles what exactly do you mean ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08899992 = 0.267 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: with personal property of an individually taxable value, I have to meet state requirements to sell it
mircea_popescu: what requirements specifically ?
smickles: i ran into this issue specifically with a mobile home once
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, with cars, it's easy, isn't it? you just need to transfer the title
mircea_popescu: how is transferring title getting state permission ?
smickles: but in some states, you can't transfer title w/o fair value being exchanged
smickles: in my specific trouble, I boght a mobile home, the later sold it to someone else. The state rejected the title transfer
mircea_popescu: well i guess those states suck
smickles: and then the guy who bought it from me racked up land rental debt
smickles: and the state decided it was my mobile home
smickles: and wanted me to pay it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19866 @ 0.00042 = 8.3437 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so how did that end ?
smickles: I began the process of sueing the state and the decided to pursue the other guy instead. Technically, i think they still consider it my mobilehome
mircea_popescu: yeah. none of these really have much to do with ownership tho, it's a matter of bureaucracy/registration
smickles: well, literal ownership, and ownership in the eyes of the 'merican gov't system are two different things
mircea_popescu: "A peppercorn does not cease to be good consideration if it is established that the promisee does not like pepper and will throw away the corn.
Bane_Capital: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyVE1go2vs
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.12399 = 3.7197 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 27 @ 0.07000001 = 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.12399 = 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.1235 = 3.705 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 152 @ 0.08349959 = 12.6919 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 66 @ 0.0834996 = 5.511 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 21 @ 0.08349999 = 1.7535 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0835 = 4.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 16 @ 0.08396999 = 1.3435 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 33 @ 0.08397 = 2.771 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.08399999 = 2.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.084 = 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 88 @ 0.08948199 = 7.8744 BTC [+]
copumpkin: reputation is important.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.67357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 12500 @ 0.00100916 = 12.6145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 37500 @ 0.0010248 = 38.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 112 @ 0.00995 = 1.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0894 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 2 @ 0.00019 = 0.0004 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8219 @ 0.00028013 = 2.3024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00027991 = 1.3716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4581 @ 0.00027928 = 1.2794 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.SUCCEED] 2 @ 0.0009 = 0.0018 BTC [-]
Obsi: quite the dip this weekend
Diablo-D3: oh?
Obsi: ;;ticker
Diablo-D3: lets call it the nefario effect
gribble: Best bid: 11.9, Best ask: 11.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 11.9, 24 hour volume: 19995, 24 hour low: 11.9, 24 hour high: 12.3
Obsi: back in the $11's
Diablo-D3: everytime he sticks his head out of the hole of the ground and sees his shadow, 6 more weeks of the market shitting itself
Obsi: So you get DMC back tomorrow?
Diablo-D3: todays the 23rd?
Diablo-D3: holy shit it is
mircea_popescu: wait, you're getting dmc back ?!
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: most likely
mircea_popescu: 0.0
mircea_popescu: so all the drama strictly served to legitimize glbse ?
Diablo-D3: apparently so
Diablo-D3: and if Im going to be a drama actor, I demand to be paid like one
Diablo-D3: wait, I wonder if that means Im unionized now
Obsi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdk1gwWH-Cg
Diablo-D3: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8833 @ 0.00027928 = 2.4669 BTC [-]
Obsi: Who do I bribe to get an asset approved?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 120 @ 0.79837316 = 95.8048 BTC [+]
Obsi: Meh, I only bought METAL & METAL.SILVER to launch METAL.COPPER, but I ain't verifying diddly
Luceo: Fuck verification
Luceo: If they start making that mandatory I'm going 100% MPEX
Obsi: o rly?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1 @ 0.35744441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1 @ 0.12883186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 4 @ 0.12416448 = 0.4967 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1 @ 0.11279754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 15 @ 0.11 = 1.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.63985 = 3.1993 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 3 @ 0.27042807 = 0.8113 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 10 @ 0.56 = 5.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 900 @ 0.25387137 = 228.4842 BTC [-]
Obsi: So for a simple pink sheets asset, is anything needed beyond what was needed 2 months ago to get approved?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.33710789 = 337.1079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 900 @ 0.08827084 = 79.4438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 3 @ 0.18424607 = 0.5527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 897 @ 0.17063486 = 153.0595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 15 @ 0.02366935 = 0.355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 825 @ 0.00029846 = 0.2462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 14 @ 0.03170402 = 0.4439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 486 @ 0.00282513 = 1.373 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: it fell through, apparently
Diablo-D3: he couldnt get enough people to do it
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 who what ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.07 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.06799998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.066 = 0.924 BTC [-]
Luceo: usagi: If you're a real business it's awkward enough taking Bitcoin
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: the problem is you need people with accounting experience
Diablo-D3: and the one person in the entire community that has that... isnt one of the people doing it
Diablo-D3: nope.
Ignatius-otc: "In general, the market acts like a fag and it's shit's retarded."
Luceo: usagi has plenty of credibility
Luceo: That comes when you run 3 successful businesses
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: no shit
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: I need to start Diablo Popcorn Shipping Services
DeaDTerra: nothing can be funnier then a drunk goat though
DeaDTerra: that's youtube quality drama
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68329.msg1194767#msg1194767
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3886 @ 0.00027928 = 1.0853 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10714 @ 0.00027839 = 2.9827 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm really dissapointed in mpoe-pr's performance ;/
Diablo-D3: bitcorn works better
Diablo-D3: can I be a deamon? :<
PsychoticBoy: lol
PsychoticBoy: me votes YES ;)
DeaDTerra: I would bail if EB took over
mircea_popescu: EB ?
DeaDTerra: Eskimo bob
PsychoticBoy: Never let goat issue any new assets on glbse, he is a prick
mircea_popescu: o him.
PsychoticBoy: yep him
mircea_popescu: has the guy ever done anything outside of irc/forum whining ?
PsychoticBoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.0
PsychoticBoy: he is just a &(*&*(&*(
PsychoticBoy: come every one knew that the glbse stock was a scam
PsychoticBoy: he bought it for less than 0.
PsychoticBoy: 0.1
PsychoticBoy: who? GOAT
DeaDTerra: goat was drunk it was hilarious xD
PsychoticBoy: and now hes is crying that nef will only buy it for 0.1
DeaDTerra: his arguments and reasoning just become worse and worse until he was qouting himself to prove a point xD
PsychoticBoy: he didnt pay more (goat) he even sold some in march for 10 btc (who? GOAT!!!)
PsychoticBoy: goat really is a prick just like they said on the bitcoinshitlist
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 686 @ 0.00027839 = 0.191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 414 @ 0.00027818 = 0.1152 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.67649 = 1.353 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4468 = 2.8936 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 3 @ 0.00999 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 20 @ 0.51025 = 10.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.77 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 40 @ 0.51025 = 20.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 11 @ 0.51025 = 5.6128 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Looking to buy a BFL single!
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8486 @ 0.00027818 = 2.3606 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4000 @ 0.00027749 = 1.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5614 @ 0.00027722 = 1.5563 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.1235 = 1.3585 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.00041962 = 8.1465 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32571 @ 0.00041907 = 13.6495 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: who did what now?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.47989999 = 0.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.47999999 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.48299799 = 2.415 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.48299899 = 4.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1000 @ 0.04526981 = 45.2698 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 15 @ 0.483 = 7.245 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1235 = 0.6175 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 29 @ 0.00999 = 0.2897 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 33 @ 0.00999998 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 13 @ 0.00999999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: "your mom"
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.483 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 33 @ 0.00999999 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.08995 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26829 @ 0.00041907 = 11.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24871 @ 0.0004187 = 10.4135 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1217 = 0.8519 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1216 = 1.824 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1212 = 1.818 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1201 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1087 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.1235 = 9.0155 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09390001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.0939 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09378 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.09366 = 0.8429 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 42 @ 0.093455 = 3.9251 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 40 @ 0.093355 = 3.7342 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09205 = 0.5523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042 = 18.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.01500003 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.01500002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.1301 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.07999998 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 39 @ 0.05 = 1.95 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Want to buy BFLS Single! Shipping to Sweden. pm me if you are interested :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.1234 = 3.702 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.1235 = 0.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 429 @ 0.0004187 = 0.1796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00041662 = 0.8399 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.98000001 = 2.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 10 @ 0.98 = 9.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.67357977 = 1.3472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.07999997 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6728797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6300 @ 0.00027722 = 1.7465 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6728797 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: another 100000 shares are up for sale for GSDPT
kakobrekla: mornin
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.06998999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.06999 = 0.6299 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 186 @ 0.00027722 = 0.0516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14114 @ 0.00027718 = 3.9121 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: This whole goat/Nefario business is getting redicilous
DeaDTerra: Goat is trying to dig up old promises, that no longer apply or are valid to make a quick buck. It's disgusting...
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.118 = 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11241 = 1.1241 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.11240011 = 3.372 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.1124001 = 3.934 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1123001 = 2.8075 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1123001 = 0.3369 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1123 = 0.5615 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.11220001 = 2.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.1122 = 11.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11211 = 0.3363 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10810012 = 2.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.107 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 170 @ 0.1055 = 17.935 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1054 = 1.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.10531012 = 3.1593 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10531011 = 2.1062 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10531011 = 2.1062 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10531002 = 0.5266 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.10531001 = 21.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.100001 = 20.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.10000001 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.10000001 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1000 @ 0.1 = 100 BTC [-]
JWU42: oh my
DeaDTerra: WOW
DeaDTerra: that was a hug dump
DeaDTerra: hack?
JWU42: someone needed some BTC
DeaDTerra: fuck I should have had a bid up...
DeaDTerra: it always drops^^
DeaDTerra: though with the recent good news it will go up again soon
k3t3r: !ticker
assbot: Provide ticker.
k3t3r: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 11.79052, Best ask: 11.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.01948, Last trade: 11.8, 24 hour volume: 32140, 24 hour low: 11.6304, 24 hour high: 12.2811
DeaDTerra: haha lol xD
DeaDTerra: nice :D
DeaDTerra: this whole Goat situation and the GLBSE shares makes me feel old xD
DeaDTerra: It was so long ago and almost noone that's currently in the lending community was there
Diablo-D3: who cares about goat anyways
Diablo-D3: hes just a troll
DeaDTerra: I just feel like Nef is getting a lot of shit recently
nefario: is Goat here?
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: well, being drama king of the hour isnt helping him
DeaDTerra: nope don't think so he would probably be screaming at me if that was the case xD
Diablo-D3: lets try a goat summoning spell
DeaDTerra: hahah xD
Diablo-D3: usagi: what, seriously?
DeaDTerra: Anyways, I am going to go back to my studies brb
Diablo-D3: hes actually doing that?
Diablo-D3: I thought he was trolling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00041662 = 15.9565 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: usagi: you keep telling people you're a japanese pricness
Diablo-D3: japan only has one princess, and unless she happens to be far more elegant than she looks, I would not hit that.
Diablo-D3: you know what I want to know?
Diablo-D3: when did women stop being elegant
Diablo-D3: I already know most of the story
Diablo-D3: its when we started putting drugs in the water to feminise men to prevent an uprising
Diablo-D3: it also caused women to never progress mentally farther than mere girls
Diablo-D3: maybe we need some sort of women education centers
Diablo-D3: it can crank out women who will happily join society instead of ruin it
Diablo-D3: just because you can pop out children doesnt mean you should.
Diablo-D3: seriously
Diablo-D3: how many 30 and 40 year old "women" wear everything pink
Diablo-D3: or have their tits enlarged
Diablo-D3: or put fruity colors in their hair
Diablo-D3: or wear outlandish clothing
Diablo-D3: or expect their man to do everything
Diablo-D3: I think thats the worst offense of them all
Diablo-D3: usagi: and when the hell did people stop having meaningful conversations
Diablo-D3: wgy?
Diablo-D3: why?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it's called slavery. whips and chains. it works wonders.
mircea_popescu: makes elegant and centered women. that's your education center.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 5 @ 0.85 = 4.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 5 @ 0.83 = 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 10 @ 0.06999 = 0.6999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.04302 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, that makes for stupid women
mircea_popescu: nah.
Diablo-D3: yes, look at what passes for "hot" now adays
Diablo-D3: high school dropouts that just pop out children to 5 different men
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with that tho.
Lucidize: you guys talking about ur mams? lol
mircea_popescu: Lucidize no yours
Lucidize: lol too funny, u sound like small kids =)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3425 @ 0.00027718 = 0.9493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6200 @ 0.00027711 = 1.7181 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no u
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5175 @ 0.00027681 = 1.4325 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1099 = 0.2198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00041662 = 3.9929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6516 @ 0.00041644 = 2.7135 BTC [-]
Lucidize: just turning the mirror round to u
kakobrekla: i turned it first!
Lucidize: so disrespectful to women
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.02153 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: glup.
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: my bids got eaten over night
kakobrekla: ;>
mircea_popescu: Lucidize what's that even mean, "disrespectful to women"
Lucidize: don't you have a dictionary? look it up
Lucidize: it doesn't matter, i don't usually converse with bottom feeders
mircea_popescu: .ud disrespectful to women
Lucidize: do i have to correct myself, u can't see what that is supposed to say? lol
Lucidize: out to lunch have fun =)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.1099 = 0.8792 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i just think it's the sort of non-concept the intellectually lazy hide behind
mircea_popescu: that is all.
Lucidize: correct, im lazy =)
Lucidize: hence the typos
mircea_popescu: women are just a gender. you can't respect the color pink, the edge of a cube or "women".
Lucidize: I see what you are saying, but generalizing is also poor form
mircea_popescu: this is true.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1099 = 2.7475 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 125 @ 0.11 = 13.75 BTC [+]
Lucidize: anywayreally gotta go, i wasn't trolling - just caught a sentence from diablo that annoyed me and wanted to make a short comment =)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.11 = 1.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.37890052 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.37890052 = 3.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.06 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.0605 = 0.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.37890052 = 1.1367 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26679 @ 0.00041717 = 11.1297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00041763 = 6.6821 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: In about 6 hours from now, FDBF is paying its weekly dividends!
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.108495 = 0.3255 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: no moonlanding.
kakobrekla: hm do we have self conscious bot on glbse?
BTC-Mining: Yes, very self-conscious bots. They keep worrying about their appearance.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.072499 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Well I need something to spend money on. Got 280 BTC laying around and looking for some deals.
mircea_popescu: so get a mpoe bond
BTC-Mining: Seeing last dividend... I'd say 0.15 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1856 @ 0.00027681 = 0.5138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5744 @ 0.00027619 = 1.5864 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: So I guess I can't currently purchase.
BTC-Mining: I should probably read actual income statements
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu: yes I was looking at the passthroughs
mircea_popescu: passthroughs ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 220 @ 0.00012935 = 0.0285 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 7 @ 0.3759001 = 2.6313 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: BFL will ship your mini rig in 2013 (april earliest) and if you order now you will be at the bottom of the list
PsychoticBoy: I will get mine first
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.64030001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.6403 = 1.2806 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.64020001 = 2.5608 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 21 @ 0.64 = 13.44 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: + 30K is a lot and might not ever be repayd by mining with it
BTC-Mining: <mircea_popescu> passthroughs ?
BTC-Mining: yes, passthrough. The MPOE.ETF on GLBSE
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.63100001 = 1.262 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 19 @ 0.631 = 11.989 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o. i meant mpoe bonds. they have the advantage you set your own interest.
BTC-Mining: Weird
BTC-Mining: I'll take ∞% interest then =P
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.63999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 see there how they work.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3156 @ 0.00027619 = 0.8717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 659 @ 0.00027585 = 0.1818 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00027584 = 0.5241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2900 @ 0.0002758 = 0.7998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3885 @ 0.00027566 = 1.0709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6203 @ 0.00042 = 2.6053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14100 @ 0.00029352 = 4.1386 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.67567998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 665 @ 0.00292755 = 1.9468 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.108495 = 0.217 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51176 @ 0.0034 = 173.9984 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: More S.DICE shares has been bought for GSDPT backing :)
mircea_popescu: how much you hold by now, half a mil ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF-AG-INDEX] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TICKER] 290 @ 0.35 = 101.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.11 = 3.85 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "TCThe china's largest and earliest bitcoin website information portal http://www.hxtop.com as hackers through sql injection bug get the control of the virtual host(windows2003 system) hxtop.com unable to access normally now."
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.11 = 5.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.11 = 5.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.11 = 1.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.11 = 11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.11 = 2.2 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: 500,000 shares of GSDPT has been issued :)
DeaDTerra: so 5% of the total amount
BTC-Mining: or 0.5% of the total shares of SD...
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00995 = 1.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17258 @ 0.00042 = 7.2484 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's their income look like this month ?
mircea_popescu: there was a guy who kept track of it independently but i dun recall who now
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.109999 = 2.75 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: OBSI.HRPT sure is going down
BTC-Mining: ASICMINER too
mircea_popescu: yeah.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.0034 = 0.1122 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.071006 = 0.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1098 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: requirement met
BTC-Mining: You already have 100 BTC
BTC-Mining: OOOOHHH, right...
BTC-Mining: Is that good bargaining?
BTC-Mining: What kind of software?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.071003 = 0.142 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Oh, the adobe suit
BTC-Mining: >.>
BTC-Mining: Let me guess, pirated?
BTC-Mining: Then why do you have it in chinese? Can't you just get the english installer?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1098 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I thought you were in Canada
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure you said so...
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Multiple times...
BTC-Mining: Plus your domain name is canadian
nefario: yeah
nefario: I'll sell all his info for a burrito
BTC-Mining: Yeah, but you told me you were in Canada, I'm 99.99% sure of that. Plus .ca domains are for canadian business/residents only.
nefario: does anyone have a breakfast burrito?
nefario: lol
nefario: just for the record
nefario: that was a joke
nefario: incase anyone wants to take me out of context
BTC-Mining: I think everyone knew
BTC-Mining: But yes, misquoting seems common around these parts
nefario: OMG !!! NEFARIO IS SELLING USERS INFO FOR A BURRITO!!!
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [-]
nefario: would be funny headlines
nefario: lol
nefario: "USE MY EXCHANGE, NEFARIO WILL SELL YOUR IDENTITY FOR A BURRITO"
nefario: and then every time Im on irc
nefario: he'll be like
nefario: DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT SAY YOU WOULD SELL USERS INFO FOR A BREAKFAST BURRITO?!!!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1098 = 0.2196 BTC [-]
nefario: and I would try to explain about the context and sarcasm
nefario: and he would start shouting
nefario: ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
nefario: YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
nefario: YOU HAD ME AT HELLO
nefario: ha
DeaDTerra: whats going on in drama land now? :)
nefario: no Im doing a mircea impression
nefario: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.msg1214385#msg1214385
Bane_Capital: usagi: lol did you just use military terminology
Bane_Capital: ARE YOU TRYING FOR A SECTION 8
nefario: I believe he is using a full metal jacket reference
nefario: hey cowboy
nefario: I think leanards a section 8
nefario: or however you spell the name
nefario: lol
nefario: such a good moive
Bane_Capital: >writes down
Bane_Capital: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112228.0
Bane_Capital: I tried to warn a friend in Argentina about this
Bane_Capital: She had a chance
Bane_Capital: but nooooo
Bane_Capital: she didn't listen
nefario: Everyone
Bane_Capital: now she's stuck with worthless pesos
nefario: read this on the goat/GLBSE share saga
nefario: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.msg1214385#msg1214385
Bane_Capital: Just did, bro.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5786 @ 0.00027566 = 1.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1400 @ 0.00027504 = 0.3851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6700 @ 0.00027469 = 1.8404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00042 = 1.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1098 = 0.7686 BTC [-]
nefario: that seems fair and reasonable right?
Bane_Capital: Indeed.
nefario: doesn't mean goat will accept
nefario: but hey
nefario: I think if the shareholders go for it
nefario: and
nefario: he wants to hold onto those shares
nefario: then
nefario: he is going to have to buy back the ones he sold
nefario: at the price he paid
Bane_Capital: How many GLBSE shares are there in total? That might be classified but I am interested.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.1098 = 5.3802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.11 = 4.95 BTC [+]
nefario: about 70K
Bane_Capital: lol
Bane_Capital: and we're fighting about 80 shares
nefario: yeah
nefario: it's not about the BTC involved
nefario: it's just the restrictions that are there because of the rules
nefario: which I have to follow
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1213445#msg1213445 Diablo-D3 so did you get dmc back ?
k3t3r: this channel needs a new command to deal with all the drama !Botcorn <assbot> munch! munch! munch!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.11 = 4.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11219898 = 1.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 249 @ 0.115 = 28.635 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5599 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.115 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 21 @ 0.08285008 = 1.7399 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Everybody buy... ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: lol
BTC-Mining: I thought they'd drop more =/
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.114999 = 1.955 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.115 = 3.105 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Looking for a 3btc loan to roll dice. Truth.
mircea_popescu: lmao
BTC-Mining: Yeah... I think I'll loan to myself and just roll if I was interested in such a risky investment
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0611001 = 0.1222 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11499 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.11499 = 14.2588 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 90 @ 0.115 = 10.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.115 = 14.26 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think that may be better than average in terms of risk.
BTC-Mining: ... true
BTC-Mining: So the advice here is... don't loan
BTC-Mining: Except to yourself
mircea_popescu: hmm, who runs bets of bitcoin ?
BTC-Mining: no idea
Bane_Capital: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rCP4CRRO7E
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00041856 = 2.1887 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7371 @ 0.00041644 = 3.0696 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.08994999 BTC [+]
k3t3r: !ticker YABMC
assbot: [GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08215] [Ask: 0.08994999] [Spread: 0.00779999] [Last: 0.08994999] [24hVol: 4.91270168] [7dAvg: 0.08392129]
nefario: Bane_Capital: video is awesomesauce
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5599 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5546 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5543 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5543 = 2.2172 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: lol
nefario: so
nefario: just to get some value from my 1 wee k travel card
nefario: Im going to ride the tube for a couple of hours
nefario: just switching trains and reading a book
nefario: later
mircea_popescu: being homeless must suck.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.108495 = 0.5425 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.673 = 2.692 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Nah, just wasting time in a train is great to relax. It's better when it's not a "tube" train tho
BTC-Mining: Surface trains = less stops and better scenery. Usually smoother ride too.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1084999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 118 @ 0.0044 = 0.5192 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1085 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 7 @ 0.1087 = 0.7609 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1088 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.1091 = 1.6365 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 86 @ 0.5462 = 46.9732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2300 @ 0.00027429 = 0.6309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00027411 = 0.4112 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: anyone here keeps a paper backup of their bitcoin private keys?
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+]
Obsi: nefario: can you comment on offering to sell users information for a breakfast burrito?
Obsi: :-D
nefario: is there a thread on that?
Obsi: nah just read the buffer
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.37840038 = 0.7568 BTC [+]
nefario: lol
DeaDTerra: haha xD
DeaDTerra: btw have you decided on what is needed by the asset to reach the different levels of the market?
DeaDTerra: white,blue,pink etc?
teek: breakfast burrito?
Obsi: haha
Obsi: just to clarify it was a joke teek
teek: breakfast burritos are not a joking matter
teek: :P
Obsi: to taco bell!
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15300 @ 0.00027411 = 4.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3143 @ 0.00027402 = 0.8612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00041644 = 1.1752 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.03000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.00339999 = 0.0306 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4340 @ 0.00027402 = 1.1892 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63469996 = 3.1735 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.03000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.96999999 BTC. Total: -0.96430311 BTC. (-96.4%)
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112038.0 if anyone needs a laugh.
kakobrekla: its 0.1 afaik?
kakobrekla: !pl cpa 0.1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.03000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06999999 BTC. Total: -0.06430311 BTC. (-64.3%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00337 = 0.0067 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 999 @ 0.00336 = 3.3566 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.003351 = 0.067 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.00335 = 1.675 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003301 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0033 = 1.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.00321 = 1.284 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 574 @ 0.0032 = 1.8368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 200 @ 0.11 = 22 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: CPA had money around in "safe deposits" like HaskKing's and numerous others
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00027402 = 0.7125 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: So yeah, guess what? Everyone gladly took CPA's deposit for non-pirate stuff... and then when pirate defaults... oops...
BTC-Mining: "But I thought Pirate was safe!"
copumpkin: ARRR
BTC-Mining: Well many weren't 100% in pirate...
BTC-Mining: but it still caused lots of problems
BTC-Mining: Yes, what I'm saying. Stupid people collecting money on lies to put in ponzis
mircea_popescu: see the forum link above about the "hyip investment fund"
Diablo-D3: man
Diablo-D3: Im going to start an investment fund
Diablo-D3: "diablo blows it on hookers high yield investment fund"
mircea_popescu: thought you already did that.
Diablo-D3: no, thats more nefario's kind of thing
BTC-Mining: last week? Was posted yesterday.
BTC-Mining: Y u no share time machine usagi?
BTC-Mining: Hand out the account csv and let people run it in their custom tools.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66500001 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: CPA's portfolio
BTC-Mining: I guess maybe all of them, CPA/NYAN/BMF?
BTC-Mining: EskimoBob, yeah, I'm kind of pushing Nefario a bit for funds/portfolio managers to have the option to make the account holdings public at any time directly from GLBSE
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36491 @ 0.00041644 = 15.1963 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8209 @ 0.00041628 = 3.4172 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.43859982 = 1.7544 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859982 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 12 @ 0.48299999 = 5.796 BTC [+]
Luceo: ./Sup usagi
Luceo: Without ./ :D
BTC-Mining: Seriously... not ONE, SINGLE attack lines of the "moron/retard/troll" is even worth answering, ever. Especially by more "moron/retard/troll" statements. Stay classy my friends.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining party pooper.
BTC-Mining: It's his term for anything that loses a large % of initial IPO price. EskimoBog tags them as financial turds.
BTC-Mining: He was asking if CPA was turning into one.
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu: Good call...
BTC-Mining: I shouldn't interupt the pary like that.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining if it's a party you're the only one in it not on my ignore, so...
mircea_popescu: i'm missing out.
BTC-Mining: Oh... how sad, mircea
mircea_popescu: i just looked, 350+ lines ignored this session alone. i am a happy man.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 1 @ 0.00019 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0033 = 2.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 86 @ 0.00293971 = 0.2528 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.03500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.035 = 3.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.03100101 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 190 @ 0.030001 = 5.7002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I can usually come to terms with all people, simply by not being fast to pull on the trigger.
BTC-Mining: Goodbye DMC it seems
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.03000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 37 @ 0.03 = 1.11 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 164 @ 0.00293971 = 0.4821 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: 60GH/s at $1,299, Avalon ASIC debuts as the leading product in its field. Coming to your doorsteps Q1 of 2013.
PsychoticBoy: F ASICMINER here comes Avalon
PsychoticBoy: i wouldnt trust random chinese guys
PsychoticBoy: <gmaxwell> Tiraspol: the one argument I have aga
BTC-Mining: Well there's some regulations against manipulations. Although spreading rumors to bring the price down would be considered, I don't think putting large underpriced asks counts.
mircea_popescu: so it's about $20/gh by now ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.99999999 = 3 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Looks like it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46091 @ 0.00041628 = 19.1868 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00041599 = 3.1199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00041545 = 24.3869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: makes the entire newtork worth about 400k amt ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00041504 = 24.7779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00041499 = 0.2075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00041486 = 14.0638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00041457 = 2.1143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041425 = 1.6984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00041403 = 7.6182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00041376 = 1.324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00041351 = 1.5899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39964 @ 0.00041346 = 16.5235 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0799 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0799 = 3.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 58 @ 0.07999998 = 4.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.08 = 6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.082 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08299999 = 0.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.083 = 0.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.08398 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 37 @ 0.08399999 = 3.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.084 = 6.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08499999 = 0.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.085 = 0.425 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.08899999 = 6.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.089 = 0.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 39 @ 0.00019 = 0.0074 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.089 = 3.471 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 41 @ 0.08948199 = 3.6688 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Lol... 400k for 6 x 50 BTC x 12 USD = 3600 USD an hour
BTC-Mining: 1% per hour returns... at that worth...
BTC-Mining: But we all know the GPUs currently mining are incredibly more expensive than that =/
BTC-Mining: I'm surprised it hasn't sold down to 0
BTC-Mining: I'm surprised pirate still sells around 3-5%
Obsi: EskimoBob: They sent me negative infinity
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining of course at that price there's going to be 1-200 th maybe
mircea_popescu: also there's some electricity cost you have to substract
midnightmagic: BTC-Mining: well so far his story is internally consistent, I'm not surprised at all.
BTC-Mining: Yup but negligible if you get 1% per hour on mining =P
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 3 @ 0.08199 = 0.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.119999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 20 @ 0.87499 = 17.4998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 6 @ 0.91 = 5.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 15 @ 0.1499 = 2.2485 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.985 = 3.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 10 @ 0.08333 = 0.8333 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5799 = 2.3196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.119999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.12 = 2.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41800001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.418 = 1.254 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 33 @ 0.416 = 13.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 13 @ 0.415 = 5.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00041751 = 4.2486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2430 @ 0.00041936 = 1.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4794 @ 0.00042 = 2.0135 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06172505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 10 @ 0.06172504 = 0.6173 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 25 @ 0.061725 = 1.5431 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 50 @ 0.06172 = 3.086 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 12 @ 0.061715 = 0.7406 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: "Using botnets to mine Bitcoins deprives hard-working legitimate Bitcoin miners from generating those coins and therefore receiving payment."
Bane_Capital: People are so entitled. If they don't like a botnet, take it down.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63499999 = 3.175 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: BTC-Mining, will your share price decline perpetually as difficulty goes up?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.63489999 = 1.9047 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: You're saying that like it's easy to do, or that it's perfectly fair that some individuals reduces the income of other miners using stolen resources.
BTC-Mining: Bane_Capital, I cannot really predict that.
Bane_Capital: BTC-Mining: Reality has never been fair.
BTC-Mining: For now funds are loaned.
mircea_popescu: it is perfectly fair that some individuals use mining power to mine bitcoins
mircea_popescu: and yes, the entitlement is ridiculous
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "legitimate" miner.
mircea_popescu: they're all equally legitimate or illegitimate.
Bane_Capital: All I am going to say is that if the universe is hurting you through starvation, bad weather or illness and you want otherwise
Bane_Capital: You're going to have to work to get what you want in the end.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0033 = 0.33 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: No matter the supposed ethics.
Bane_Capital: Is it really theft if the computer user doesn't realize a thing?
Bane_Capital: So, who is the victim? I mean, the computer user has no feelings or pain in regards to it.
BTC-Mining: one contribute to the network by paying for the resources they use. The others by stealing others CPU/GPU time and electricity, making those lose money, to get the money from the network in return (a part of what would go to regular miners.) It has nothing to do with regular miners feeling entitled to it, it has to do with finding it a very bad practice to cause harms to other for profit
BTC-Mining: (yes I know there's very legal corporations already doing that)
Bane_Capital: Smoovious: What is property in the end? It's whatever you have possession of. Most property of today was illegitimately claimed.
Bane_Capital: So to speak.
Bane_Capital: I think the real fact is people don't like those who use means they don't want to or can't.
Bane_Capital: I'm just a realist, my friend. I see no point in crying injustice unless you can fix it.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3210 @ 0.00027402 = 0.8796 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: In the end it's just "People are doing things I don't like."
Bane_Capital: I justify this through god, morality, ethics, my dick, etc.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.66500001 = 1.995 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: People think defining a universal set of ethics makes their desires more relevant and important.
BTC-Mining: Doing that would be pointless...
Bane_Capital: You know, I really don't have a point. I'm just being a butthurt nihlist.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.9302 = 8.3718 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 50 @ 0.93 = 46.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.86 = 1.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.8512 = 9.3632 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.8502 = 3.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8502 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: The question comes into how property is claimed.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.8501 = 4.2505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 20 @ 0.85 = 17 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.8002 = 4.8012 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.8002 = 1.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.80000002 = 6.4 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: Does the land of Israel belong to the Israeli government?
Bane_Capital: They forced people off the land.
Bane_Capital: Yet they lay claim to it for various reasons.
Bane_Capital: and they do have the force to defend that claim.
BTC-Mining: But you should still follow one, if you want to avoid things. It usually consist of defending people against what you wouldn't want happening to yourself. Just so people who believe it's right to do it are detered.
BTC-Mining: Different ethics tho usually ends up in conflict, especially with people who have ethics allowing them to force things upon others.
Bane_Capital: BTC-Mining: I believe in unions of mutual interests, yes.
BTC-Mining: Good.
Bane_Capital: Smoovious: If you don't pay property taxes, they take your land away.
Bane_Capital: If you violate some sort of code, they take your land away.
Bane_Capital: You're living on it on their terms.
Bane_Capital: If anything, you're a renter.
BTC-Mining: Yes, but you're established in the middle of a community with that set of ethics and mutual interest. You have some rules to respect, but benefit from the public infrastructure.
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.091994 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: You own the property as long as you pay for the benefits from being within said community.
BTC-Mining: If you can't pay the taxes, you can usually sell it before it's repossessed
BTC-Mining: And usually, the government will liquidate it for you then, not take it for free.
BTC-Mining: You're then usually free to relocate.
BTC-Mining: Depends on where you live tho
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: I think this only demonstrates the concept of property varies a lot.
Bane_Capital: You can define what is your property simply by having the force to have it your way.
Bane_Capital: Especially when it comes to governments.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.08245004 = 0.4123 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: An obligation only goes as far as the means to enforce said obligation
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09215 = 0.5529 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: A man has no obligation if he is the highest power in the situation.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09215 = 0.5529 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.0921 = 0.5526 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09205 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09201 = 0.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 45 @ 0.08872 = 3.9924 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.08862 = 0.7976 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 25 @ 0.0885 = 2.2125 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: Smoovious: Try collecting debt from a heavily armed militia
Bane_Capital: when they don't recognize it.
Bane_Capital: Doesn't that seem a bit religious to you? What you say is totally imaginary.
Bane_Capital: Nobody has to recognize that.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.33612 = 1.0084 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.336101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.3351 = 2.0106 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: I mean, imagine telling an animal that it owes you affection.
Bane_Capital: for food.
Bane_Capital: He won't even comprehend the words you say.
Bane_Capital: It's only the idea being recognized that makes any such obligations true.
BTC-Mining: Smoovious, if said persons don't interpret the rules in the same way and refuse to recognize something, how are you more right than them if both side have claims based on interpretation.
BTC-Mining: Either have to convince them yes, or enforced it.
BTC-Mining: or bargain a compromise
Bane_Capital: It is very possible the concept of right and wrong only exist in the individual minds of men
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.12 = 7.2 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: It's most likely...
Bane_Capital: The reality between men can only be subjectively perceived.
Bane_Capital: We're discussing if the concept or property is universal in the minds of all men.
Bane_Capital: The answer is unequivocally no.
Bane_Capital: According to your interpretation of theft.
mircea_popescu: easily fixed : those who don't have it are relegated to the status of animal
mircea_popescu: then we kill them,
mircea_popescu: problem solved.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.5-10.MININGBOND] 1 @ 0.33000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.5-10.MININGBOND] 4 @ 0.33 = 1.32 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: Mircea get its.
mircea_popescu: indians in the us didn't have a "proper" concept of property
mircea_popescu: and they've been fixed.
Bane_Capital: Smoovious: I happily recognize your property.
Bane_Capital: I am just saying others will continue not to.
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure the definition of theft is "taking something from someone else by force or without the knowledge of the current owner"
Bane_Capital: Because they have their own world
BTC-Mining: So there's no ambiguity that a botnet would be stealing.
mircea_popescu: theft is w/o knowledge. robbery is by force.
mircea_popescu: conversion is by mistake
BTC-Mining: Aye, seems better
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the fact that a botnet is stealing is irrelevant to the mining.
BTC-Mining: Indeed
mircea_popescu: it's not stealing from miners, it's stealingfrom the owners of the hardware.
mircea_popescu: the miners aren't an injured party in this.
BTC-Mining: Well their profit share is lowered and it harms others (who pays for equipment degradation and electricity). Since it's something you wouldn't want to see happening to yourself and the reduced profit share is also not in your interest, there's twice the incentive to not be satisfied of the situation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7836 @ 0.00041346 = 3.2399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00041334 = 3.7201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00041325 = 21.6543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00041254 = 23.0049 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i really don't see a problem with it.
mircea_popescu: it's owners responsibility to secure their computers
mircea_popescu: if they run bad code they lose the computer.
mircea_popescu: and the miners really can stfu, if they want to mine they can mine, but they;'re not allowed to bring arguments about how others "shouldn't be allowed" to mine
mircea_popescu: an ideal legal system would force any company that had it's computers hacked to pay the hacker a minimum fee plus twice whatever they managed to steal.
Lyspooner: why is twice the ideal amount
mircea_popescu: and everyone who ever worked on windows would be in prison.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner well, punitive damages.
Lyspooner: yeah but twice
mircea_popescu: well if a bank has it's account system hacked and lose 100mn
Bane_Capital: A man once said A man’s opportunities are never exhausted so long as other men (who are not his friends) possess millions of acres and thousands of tons of gold.
mircea_popescu: they have to pay another 100mn in punitive damages.
Lyspooner: yeah but why is that ideal
mircea_popescu: because it correctly allots responsibility.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63499999 = 3.175 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: i would have thought it was at least an irrational number
mircea_popescu: he who runs insecure software is to blame.
Lyspooner: like phi or e
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: 1 is equally irrational to pi and e.
Bane_Capital: Smoovious: Security auditing is an in-demand field.
Bane_Capital: Government is founded on property, property is founded on conquest, and conquest is founded on Power — and Power is founded on brain and brawn — on Organic Animality.
mircea_popescu: at any rate this current "blame the hacker" atmosphere is noxious.
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu, your PR girl or you dressed up as a PR girl was mean to the BFL guy on the forum
mircea_popescu: lol i don't dress up
mircea_popescu: which bfl guy, the ex-con ?
Bane_Capital: It is my fault for not shooting the intruder.
Lyspooner: yes, the ex-con
Bane_Capital: Yes, I would blame myself if I was robbed of very valuable things.
Bane_Capital: The robber won
Bane_Capital: I lost