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teek: i understand people are all bent out of shape on "fake" bids, but there is "order time" then there is "execution time"
teek: credit is checked at both points
BTC-Mining: OneMiner: May I recommend BTC-BOND?
teek: it isnt really the appearance
teek: it is real liquidty, because the order is standing based on money that is there when it was placed
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10242 @ 0.0034 = 34.8228 BTC [+]
OneMiner: haha
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4296 = 2.8592 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the first time you sell 10k into whart seems like a 40k wall and discover abotu 8k of it was valid you'll change your oppinion i guess
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1176 @ 0.0034 = 3.9984 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: BTC-BOND is investing made easy. Less risk, stable profit, albeit lower profits.
teek: no one is going to provide any serious liquidty if they have to tie up their moeny for something that will probably never happen at 0% interest
teek: so yeah
teek: catch 22 sure
teek: but thats one of the reasons why
OneMiner: Thanks for the tips guys.
mircea_popescu: teek glbse liquidity was in the bucket before, this won't save it. but anyway, largely academic debate.
teek: Smoovious: if there is enough credit left to cover the order then it stays up, if not it gets canceled
BTC-Mining: EskimoBob: you mean disable any open order under x BTC total?
BTC-Mining: [17:03] <EskimoBob> and all the small bull shit orders have to be "moved" to market orders only
OneMiner: EskimoBob I have to agree, that's the one thing I've considered and rejected. Hashrate is going up so fixed Mh/s is garbage.
teek: if i have orders up on 10 different stocks for 10@1 and for antoher 10 different stocks at 5@1 and i ahve 7 btc left in the account, all the 10@1's get canceled
teek: the first time one of the 5@1 gets filled the others cancel
teek: Smoovious: as far as i know the only reason it isnt implemented is a bug in the code
Bane_Capital: CPA is trading above the reported the NAV now.
Bane_Capital: reported NAV*
teek: Smoovious: i am fairly sure the real markets work like this.. though i am not a pro.. i supposed i could place some orders on some low volume issues and watch level 2
teek: i know i have seen my orders on level 2 before and can follow them around
Bane_Capital: What nefario needs to do is include a toggle for this in the settings.
Bane_Capital: If you want strict bids, toggle for that
Bane_Capital: If you want unlimited, toggle for that
Bane_Capital: Everybody is happy
teek: Smoovious: fair enough.. but when i place orders in my brokerage account, i have seen them get routed directly to level 2 before
teek: now is it every and all orders
teek: i am not sure
teek: on stuff with high volume it is hard to follow
BTC-Mining: No one would have GLBSE stocks they need to dump? I see dumpings going much lower than what I'd pay all the time.
BTC-Mining: I got capital to spend.
teek: BTC-Mining: i'd dump jlp-bmd
Bugpowder: !ticker F.GIGA.ETF
assbot: [MPEX:F.GIGA.ETF] 1day: 0.00041282 / 0.00044627 / 0.000485 (129315 shares, 57.71 BTC), 30day: 0.00030644 / 0.00076876 / 0.00113797 (13924752 shares, 10,704.86 BTC)
BTC-Mining: is that a fixed mhash/s bond that won't upgrade to ASIC?
teek: no its a share, but i dont know wtf he is doing
Bane_Capital: !ticker CPA
Bane_Capital: !pl CPA 1
assbot: [GLBSE:CPA] [Bid: 0.03100101] [Ask: 0.033] [Spread: 0.00199899] [Last: 0.033] [24hVol: 2.67099981] [7dAvg: 0.02895127]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.033 BTC. Capital gain: -0.967 BTC. Total: -0.96130312 BTC. (-96.1%)
Bane_Capital: Yep, I think we've hit the floor of CPA
Bugpowder: I think the liquidity problem is due to 500,000 bitcoins disappearing from people that would be potential investors in real bitcoin securities
Bane_Capital: It's up from here from my talks with the issuer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00039652 = 4.6988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1551 @ 0.00039528 = 0.6131 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: eh, looks like a mining share but no real information
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.09999996 = 0.6 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I have GLBSE stocks I want to dump, when I went on a buying spree upon account creation without doing enough DD>
Bugpowder: Stuck in the positions
BTC-Mining: So dodgy I wouldn't give much for them.
BTC-Mining: What positions, Bugpowder?
Bugpowder: Hoping pre-dividend bounces get me out
Bugpowder: YAMBC, BTC-MINING, for example :)
BTC-Mining: Hey... BTC-MINING kept it's value at least. There's just no bids eh.
Bugpowder: yeah thats because hope sells
gigavps: lol
Bugpowder: at least when it still has dividends
Bugpowder: GIGA @0.4 seems like the buy, but I have so much already
BTC-Mining: Well it does pays and unless BITBOND defaults on the loan, the capital is still available at 1 BTC per BTC-MINING share.
Bugpowder: I like that BTC-Mining is still paying dividends instead of keeping capital tied up in vaporware waiting
gigavps: i'm paying dividends and have money tied up in vaporware :p
BTC-Mining: We haven't enough raised for buying a full rig (didn't want to pay for singles)
gigavps: Smoovious that might be better suited for #bitcoin-politics
BTC-Mining: And the ASICs weren't out yet (vaporware) and other competing offers were on the horizon. So put a motion and started loaning the funds.
Bugpowder: ASICs still aren't out yet.
BTC-Mining: Aye, and sorry gigavps about being so inquisitive and critical about your upgrade path. It's just that I think, although you have to plan for worst case scenario to still be able to cover the hashing, unless/until this scenario happens, you're putting a large amount of coins in your pockets.
Bugpowder: Any estimate of total TH ordered?
gigavps: Smoovious everything go ok?
Bugpowder: 30TH on the thread...
gigavps: Bugpowder i would think it's much higher than that
gigavps: so they caught it in time?
Bugpowder: The main annoyance with the liquidity is that I need to reserve sufficient capital to pay GIGA upgrade fee, because who knows how much you lose getting out of other positions to cover the fee on the day the exchange program goes into effect.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.033 BTC. Capital gain: -0.067 BTC. Total: -0.06130312 BTC. (-61.3%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.44317596 BTC. Last price: 0.62 BTC. Capital gain: -0.88 BTC. Total: -0.43682404 BTC. (-29.1%)
gigavps: Bugpowder asic is going to be fun
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 3 @ 0.61 = 1.83 BTC [+]
gigavps: of all the asic offerings, i don't think anyone is going to be able to compete with BFL
Bugpowder: It takes serious expertise to roll out custom silicon
Bugpowder: FPGA is not the same difficulty level
Bugpowder: ALSO much more preorder capital
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 5 @ 0.92307692 = 4.6154 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 5 @ 0.94230769 = 4.7115 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 5 @ 0.96153846 = 4.8077 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I would guess
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 8 @ 0.98 = 7.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 3 @ 0.98076923 = 2.9423 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [05:30:30] <Smoovious> the 1 major advantage BFL has right now, is it is very likely to be the first to market with them
Diablo-D3: I doubt that
gigavps: i'm also wondering how btcfpga when from not having a fab one week to having a fab and "in process" the next week
assbot: [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 1 @ 0.9989 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 4 @ 0.999 = 3.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 5 @ 0.9995 = 4.9975 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: asicminer
Diablo-D3: I believe bfl will miss the october launch date
gigavps: asicminer has shown their specs
gigavps: and they are not great
gigavps: 8w for 1Gh
Diablo-D3: gigavps: the 1th for 500w figure is wrong
kakobrekla: and tycho
mircea_popescu: i thought bfl had a november date.
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: they will have the units mining by december if they meet their launch date
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, october
gigavps: Diablo-D3 who said anything about 1Th for 500w
Diablo-D3: gigavps: thats asicminer's numbers
gigavps: mircea_popescu end of october
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i don't think he puts more stock in asicminer.
gigavps: Diablo-D3 are you smoking crack?
mircea_popescu: gigavps well the guys likes to contradict what can i say :p
Diablo-D3: gigavps: wait, I might be
Diablo-D3: lemme check the thread
midnightmagic: gigavps: Scaling up from 3.5GH for 1 USB jalapeno gives an upper bound for pure-chip power requirements for 1TH ~600W, plus infrastructure, fans, controllers whatever else they're putting in the sc minirig.
Diablo-D3: sorry, 50gh for 532 watts
Diablo-D3: bfl sc is claiming 50 for 100
Diablo-D3: and asicminer has already said the 532 figure is wrong, they'll be coming in much lower
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: Sorry what?
Diablo-D3: midnightmagic: 40 for 85 ~= 50 for 100
midnightmagic: ah
Diablo-D3: and no one believes bfl's numbers
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: Where's the 85W figure? Is that posted by BFL somewhere?
Diablo-D3: midnightmagic: they said their sc single will use as much as the single
Diablo-D3: same with sc minirig vs minirig
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: Well, even if it's twice that, or three times that, so long as they fit on a 20A circuit, I'm fine with that.
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: !! Well that's interesting. I haven't read that.
Diablo-D3: twice that on a minirig still fits on a 15
Diablo-D3: anyhow, 50th for 532 (which has already been announced as too high as an early estimate) vs 50th on 100
Diablo-D3: so even if asicminer is 50th on 200, they won
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: I specifically wired up with 12/3, 20A plugs, full armoured conduit, nothing inside the walls, to accommodate future power requirements. We'll see! heh heh.
Diablo-D3: the problem is this
Diablo-D3: the chinese new year
Bugpowder: is when BFL will ship
Diablo-D3: if the finished boards have not arrived by jan, NOBODY gets anything until late feb
Diablo-D3: the _start_ of jan
Diablo-D3: bfl says october, they wont make it
Diablo-D3: asicminer says nov or dec, they are cutting it close but will make it
Diablo-D3: aiscminer had to bust their asses to catch up to bfl's unverified lead
Bugpowder: missile gap
Diablo-D3: asicminer is one of those companies that you dont want to know how the sausage is made
gigavps: Diablo-D3 i'm an almost positive that ASICMINER specs are at 8w/Gh
gigavps: and 8kW per Th
gigavps: they are using a very inefficient nm size
gigavps: at 130nm
mircea_popescu: 8kw ?!
mircea_popescu: jesus that's some heavy duty draw.
Diablo-D3: gigavps: yes, its 130nm
Diablo-D3: but so is bfl
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7020 @ 0.00041923 = 2.943 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: didn't they claim 80 ?
Diablo-D3: unless they went the altera sasic 65nm route
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3880 @ 0.00041927 = 1.6268 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: er, 80 isnt a size
mircea_popescu: 76 we
gigavps: Diablo-D3 how do you know bfl is on 130nm?
Diablo-D3: gigavps: because its all they can afford
gigavps: Diablo-D3 how do you know that?
Diablo-D3: unless they got VERY lucky to get a shared silicon 65nm run, they wont be on 65nm
Diablo-D3: gigavps: minimum silicon orders
gigavps: you look at their bank account?
Diablo-D3: 65 still has them, small wafer size 130s dont
Diablo-D3: gigavps: okay fine
Diablo-D3: unless they had 10 million in the bank
Diablo-D3: they cant afford it
gigavps: Diablo-D3 you are speaking as if you know something
Diablo-D3: if they had 10 million in the bank they could afford a PR firm to stop fucking up shit as well
Diablo-D3: their PR still sucks.
gigavps: when in reality, you don't
Diablo-D3: so Im just putting 1 and 1 together to get 2 here.
Diablo-D3: gigavps: bfl got caught lying about specs before
Diablo-D3: plus they asked for investor money up front
Diablo-D3: and you have to pay for the entire run up front
Diablo-D3: usagi: exactly, and if they miss the october launch date, asicminer wins
PsychoticBoy: If asicminer will succeed, thats the question, I dont believe it
PsychoticBoy: chinese crap
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: its ALL chinese crap
Diablo-D3: where do you think almost all the world's chip fabs are
Diablo-D3: in CHINA
Diablo-D3: usagi: the republic of china.
Diablo-D3: so you're not helping your case
Diablo-D3: I dont care about your political issues either
Diablo-D3: yes, Im aware that 98% of the world's memory is produced in taiwan.
Diablo-D3: Im also aware most non-memory storage devices are made there
PsychoticBoy: yes but they forgot yours
Diablo-D3: theres also two major industrial fan manufacturers there
Diablo-D3: usagi: but Ill also remind you taiwan is not recognized by the UN and their seat is held by China.
Diablo-D3: so lolpolitics, it doesnt belong here.
Diablo-D3: usagi: there are no 130nm and 65nm fabs in the US afaik
Diablo-D3: which is the big issue
Diablo-D3: I'd rather the chips be fabbed here
Diablo-D3: oh hey
Diablo-D3: Im wrong
Diablo-D3: intel still does 65nm at the fab in chandler az
Bugpowder: IBM?
Diablo-D3: intel has four fabs in the US, hillsboro or, chandler az, rio rancho nm, and hudson ma
Bugpowder: http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/22nm/pdfs/Global-Intel-Manufacturing_FactSheet.pdf
Diablo-D3: all of them do 22, 32, or 45, and chandler is building a 14nm fab
Bugpowder: Costa Rica!
Diablo-D3: intel also has a fab in ireland, does 65 and 90, one in israel doing 45, and one in china doing 65 for non-security applications
Diablo-D3: amd/globalfoundries has one in germany, does 45nm and will also be the site of their next gen stuff
Diablo-D3: gf's singapore site still does basically every size ever
Diablo-D3: 28, 180, 350, and 600 (holy shit they still have a 600nm plant open)
Diablo-D3: gf is opening one in abu dhabi in 2015 as well
Diablo-D3: tsmc has two different plants in taiwan, they do a bunch of sizes including 65 and 130, plus one in shanghai
Bane_Capital: Israel is actually producing something?
Diablo-D3: sorry, three in taiwan
Diablo-D3: Bane_Capital: yes, intel israel is a huge r&d facility
mircea_popescu: Bane_Capital they're producing hot chicks in uniform at an amazing rate.
Bane_Capital: mircea
Diablo-D3: ibm ha two fabs in the US, fishkill ny and essex junction vt, but I dont know what sizes
Bane_Capital: Forced conscription really bums me out.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.09989999 = 2.4975 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: stm has one in france, one in italy, 32, 45, 65, 90
Diablo-D3: freescale has one in austin and chandler doing larger sizes, but no 65 and 130 from what I see
Diablo-D3: smic is in shanghai and beijing and tianjin, 45, 65, 90, 130
Diablo-D3: holy fuck
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 4 @ 0.75 = 3 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I didnt know this
Diablo-D3: natsemi has a fab plant in maine
Diablo-D3: that cant be possible
Bane_Capital: Can these guys make ASICs?
Diablo-D3: Bane_Capital: these are all chip fabs
Diablo-D3: they can make anything if you supply them with the mask.
Bugpowder: FISHKILL was 65nm in 2005
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: ibm has sub-22nm processes
Diablo-D3: but I dont know which fab has it
Diablo-D3: er, WILL have sub-22
Diablo-D3: Bane_Capital: natsemi in portland me only does 180, 250, and 350
Bugpowder: So were do these guys do the bonding and packaging of the silicon
Bugpowder: ?
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: some do, some dont
Diablo-D3: a lot of companies offer packaging as well so you dont have to go off site to do it
Bugpowder: The biggest issue we had with our custom silicon probes was the bump soldering to each lead
Bugpowder: hundreds of probes, all with a few bad channels
Bugpowder: from the bonding
Diablo-D3: ouch
Bugpowder: It literally took 2 years to go from working prototype to successful production run
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 17 @ 0.09 = 1.53 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: man, multiple companies have fabs in austin
Bugpowder: smaller budget though.
Diablo-D3: why
Diablo-D3: I wonder if thats all the same fab and it either changed hands or works for multiple companies
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: yeah, that really sucks
Bugpowder: vendors say they can do the spec sheet. they cant do the spec sheet
Bugpowder: switch vendors
Diablo-D3: gigavps: anyhow, what I was saying was, Im not saying bfl cant do it
Diablo-D3: gigavps: there is just a lot of evidence against them
Bugpowder: flex PCB shortage
Bugpowder: etc
Bugpowder: switch from flip chip to zif connectors
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00039538 = 10.5962 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: !ticker FDBF
PsychoticBoy: !ticker ABM
assbot: [GLBSE:FDBF] [Bid: 0.146] [Ask: 0.15] [Spread: 0.004] [Last: 0.15] [24hVol: 6.45] [7dAvg: 0.14999999]
assbot: [GLBSE:ABM] [Bid: 0.085] [Ask: 0.16] [Spread: 0.075] [Last: 0.1] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.1]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: yeah well
Diablo-D3: at least asicminer is making a normal chip
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: and I think the way they've set it up even if it has a few bad sha cores it should still work
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I'm making sure my mining investments will still be paying out during the wait
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: well
Bugpowder: who the fuck is buying 10 share lots of GSDPT
Diablo-D3: who knows
Diablo-D3: silly people
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i've seen 1 share lots
Bane_Capital: There is a nice gap in the CPA asks.
Bane_Capital: I want to clear it
Bane_Capital: but I don't have the leverage
Bane_Capital: SOMEBODY BUY IT UP TO .034
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 350 @ 0.00332368 = 1.1633 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Yeah, it like baby's first fund management. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnpbJ9eMVdSodHYyVVNHUVh2OEtVYWd6NDFoY0pCalE#gid=0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 450 @ 0.00319321 = 1.4369 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: "Bought shares of gigamining(2), cognitive(4), synergy(10), and pajka(16). Paid 1st dividend. Have 4.14659601 BTC in reserve funds. See other sheets for more details."
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.bvps
Bane_Capital: lol
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.00319321 / 0.00329319 / 0.00337901 (1200 shares, 3.95 BTC), 30day: 0.00319321 / 0.00361552 / 0.00389519 (46597 shares, 168.47 BTC)
Diablo-D3: hrm
Diablo-D3: does bitcoin have an accounting company?
mircea_popescu: smickles lol.
[\\\]: yeah, smickles ;)
mircea_popescu: get in line slashy :D
Diablo-D3: thats imsaguy
[\\\]: bitch, he's already on my payroll
[\\\]: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user imsaguy, with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
Diablo-D3: how much does smickles, smickles, and smickles cost to hire?
Bane_Capital: Over 9001 Satoshis
Bane_Capital: per minute
[\\\]: 2 hookers and a ball of tar
Diablo-D3: those are pretty expensive hookers
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: It's funny how people are willing to call out my alt accounts
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7720 @ 0.00041927 = 3.2368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5500 @ 0.00042382 = 2.331 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: then not lend to me
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00042671 = 0.8107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1200 @ 0.0004272 = 0.5126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 36378 @ 0.00045386 = 16.5105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2302 @ 0.00047591 = 1.0955 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: becuase their not sure I am Atlas
Bane_Capital: Anyways, fuck it. I don't need a stinkin loan.
mircea_popescu: you gonna buy shit with your aggregated postcount ?
Bane_Capital: I have gotten thousand BTC loans before
Bane_Capital: through post count alone
mircea_popescu: ya but the citizen-bankers are a little broke atm.
Bane_Capital: Never bothered to document them though
Bane_Capital: because they are silly.
Bane_Capital: lending to 15 year olds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 1 @ 0.18455089 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dude srsly. kludge is not 15. it was a joke.
Bane_Capital: HashKing is
Bane_Capital: I am quite certain
[\\\]: no, he isn't
[\\\]: i know that for a fact.
Bane_Capital: Well
Bane_Capital: I know nothing
[\\\]: can we get all the other fud out of the way too?
mircea_popescu: o it was hk not kludge nm. but yes, he said that as a joke
mircea_popescu: people ran with it, it's ridiculous.
Bane_Capital: Diablo-D3 is a transgendered, atheist, scientologist.
Diablo-D3: Bane_Capital: not true
Diablo-D3: wait
Diablo-D3: what?
Diablo-D3: how can I be atheist AND scientologist?
Bane_Capital: Thetans told me so.
Diablo-D3: either I do not believe in God, or I worship a grey wearing a cloak and a crown
Diablo-D3: cant have both
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11968987 = 0.2394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00039528 = 23.7959 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Diablo-D3: false, you can be atheist AND worship a persona in a ridicule fashion, as to mock sects (aka fake or set-up worshipping)
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: but thats not religious, its entertainment
Diablo-D3: unicode even has a form of the ikon
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.09989999 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I remember back in high school... where normal people would walk with friends talking, I'd be followed by my two atheists friends who've decided to worship me AND go on strike demanding higher salaries for the disciples of this sect having 2 followers.
BTC-Mining: Try walking around corridors with two people walking around you like their on strike demanding higher salaries >.>
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 49 @ 0.09989999 = 4.8951 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: your high school life was more exciting than mine
BTC-Mining: or giving you the hitler salute. Or walking around you doing freestyle rap, but not in a serious way.
Diablo-D3: also, someone has notified me that people actually went to the bitcoinica conference
Diablo-D3: _why_
BTC-Mining: It was entertaining. They're very good friends too.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 5 @ 0.0002 = 0.001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Luckily life is not like american tv shows. Or we'd have been beaten up so many times. =P
BTC-Mining: I miss being a student.
mircea_popescu: i don't miss being a student.
mircea_popescu: had a lot less money back then.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4299 = 2.8598 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Eh, that's the worst part.
nefario: oh man
nefario: so tired
nefario: Anyone see the twit pics from the dinner at the pre event?
Diablo-D3: why did you go to that event?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.146 = 0.292 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: it just legitimizes what those guys did
nefario: what guys
Diablo-D3: bitcoinica and intersango
nefario: Why would I NOT go
nefario: everyone is there
nefario: it's awesome
nefario: and
nefario: they had bitcake
Diablo-D3: unless you were hoping zhou tong would show up so you could rape him in a back alley then stab him to death, I dont see the point
nefario: actual bitcoin cake
nefario: which tastes like chocolate
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 4 @ 0.00012682 = 0.0005 BTC [+]
nefario: Such retardedness
nefario: Head implodes
Diablo-D3: I dunno, after the crap intersango did, I'd never go to an event they hosted
nefario: Then you're missing out
nefario: cause nearly everyone who is anyone has come
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27772 @ 0.00039538 = 10.9805 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Diablo-D3, if it's hosted by scammers/retarded businesses, go there for the lulz.
Diablo-D3: nefario: I dunno, parties arent my thing
nefario: It was so fun though
nefario: speaking to people face to face
nefario: about bitcoin
nefario: actuall intelligent people
nefario: who were not retarded
nefario: or who you didn't have to explain the basics to
Diablo-D3: heh, still, not my thing
BTC-Mining: ah, true, an occasion to meet the bitcoin crowd
Diablo-D3: who showed up?
nefario: about 100-150 people
nefario: the place was packed
nefario: my table waited for 1 and 1/2 hours for food
nefario: I was starving by the time it came
nefario: but I have to say it was pretty nice
nefario: turkish food
nefario: http://twitter.com/BitcoinByte/status/246723539548381184/photo/1/large
nefario: http://twitter.com/BitcoinByte/status/246725359876337666
nefario: I didn't get any pics
nefario: phone ran out of battery
Diablo-D3: ouch
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09989999 BTC [-]
nefario: ib?
nefario: I bet?
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
nefario: oh
nefario: first time I've come across it
nefario: well gents
nefario: I'm afraid Im rather smelly from my loooong day
nefario: so
nefario: shit shower and a shave, I'll be a new man
nefario: later
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.331 = 2.648 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 3 @ 0.99999 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 16 @ 0.999999 = 16 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.66 = 6.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 7 @ 0.651 = 4.557 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.65 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.64 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.64 = 6.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6302 = 3.151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1349 @ 0.00039528 = 0.5332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14853 @ 0.00039519 = 5.8698 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6302 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 6 @ 0.6301 = 3.7806 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.63 = 6.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.62 = 6.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Buying DMC shares
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 4 @ 0.9899 = 3.9596 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.0525001 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lefuck.
BTC-Mining: Pirate still trading?
BTC-Mining: Buying DMC shares, anyone?
BTC-Mining: Offering up to 0.04 per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7447 @ 0.00039519 = 2.943 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: nginx
kakobrekla: cant even type.
kakobrekla: so tierd.
kakobrekla: lol
nefario1: gropecunt lane
nefario1: an actual place in london
nefario1: used to be a red light district
kakobrekla: do we have a feed from the conf
nefario1: not live no
nefario1: but all talks will be recorded
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: we need live
kakobrekla: tomorrow this will be ancient history
nefario1: should have bought a ticket
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: why, interested in trying to buy your 54 shares back? =P
BTC-Mining: Why, yes
Diablo-D3: well too bad, I need those
Diablo-D3: need to balance out all that delicious abmo
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.08899999 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I was expecting you to be thrown out and assets liquidated at that point, or betting on it. No offence. And since I have a mostly mining portfolio, I'm interested in having a chunk of the shares. Especially if I can trade them for the BTC-Mining shares.
Diablo-D3: I doubt Im going to be thrown out
BTC-Mining: Well I wonder where the numbers are up to by now.
Diablo-D3: who knows
BTC-Mining: Nevertheless, in any case, I'll buy more DMCs
nefario: lol
[\\\]: too late, I own them all
nefario: haha
Diablo-D3: bad imsaguy
Diablo-D3: no making smart investments
BTC-Mining: [\\\]: how many?
nefario: diablo, how old are you?
[\\\]: all your hash are belong to us
Diablo-D3: nefario: 28.
nefario: same age as me
nefario: nearly
nefario: weird
[\\\]: lol
[\\\]: BTC-Mining: 42
BTC-Mining: Oh... so that's all DMC's shares uh... I'm sure of that.
Diablo-D3: yup, totally
nefario: guys
nefario: Im looking for advice on creating a default contract
BTC-Mining: Damn, if that's all the DMC shares there is, what am I holding? Must be fake shares!
nefario: to which all contracts turn when they don't have a clause to handle any upcoming issues
Diablo-D3: nefario: a standard offer?
nefario: no
Diablo-D3: a standard framework?
nefario: a standard contract for as many contingencies as we can think of
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8000 @ 0.0034 = 27.2 BTC [+]
nefario: so when there are new contracts
nefario: if they don't include a clause to handle an event
BTC-Mining: I see...
nefario: it then goes to the standard contract
nefario: think of the contract as being a child class of a standard contract
BTC-Mining: I think a troll face would be easier than writing such lenghty default clauses contract
nefario: inheriting it's methods and properties
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: I agree, its how everyone treats contracts anyhow
nefario: which you can override
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: dont like the contract? whine at nefario until he fucks up everybody's shit
mircea_popescu: <nefario> my table waited for 1 and 1/2 hours for food << lol
mircea_popescu: so in the end, who that we might have known showed up ?
[\\\]: you realize that people will just write their own generic clause
nefario: rg !!!!
russellw: nefario, surely the obvious starting point would be the standard contracts, laws and regulations, whatever, from existing stock exchanges like Wall Street?
[\\\]: anything not contained herein is to be decided by the asset manager
mircea_popescu: [\\\] he doesn't think that far ahead.
[\\\]: and bam, your entire 'default' is overridden
[\\\]: glwt
nefario: someone already mentioned that
nefario: and I don't think that would be allowed
mircea_popescu: ahahah
[\\\]: ah right
[\\\]: so now you get to determine what the contracts are?
[\\\]: what next?
BTC-Mining: Diablo-D3, you fucked everybody's shit. You kept making trade-ins valuating DMC under NAV value so everyone would trade.
[\\\]: write their contract for them?
[\\\]: determine the price for them?
mircea_popescu: i can't believe this guy is still taken seriously by anyone.
nefario: [\\\]: we have the power to approve new assets
nefario: or deny them
nefario: Im setting up a board
nefario: that will do just that
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: nope
nefario: shitty contracts will probably be turned down as a result
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: and even if I did, I did not violate the contract
nefario: For DMC the auditing has already begun
[\\\]: nefario: by whom?
nefario: Or perhaps shitty contracts will still be allowed
nefario: but then no one will buy ones with such a clause
Diablo-D3: well, the problem nefario
Diablo-D3: is DMC was one of the longer contracts on GLBSE, and you signed off on it
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 actually, the oldest contract was "test", by goat.
nefario: I've hired an outside party with qualifications
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I said longer not older
nefario: they will work out a profit and loss
mircea_popescu: o o sorry my bad
Diablo-D3: also, goats a redditer? woah
nefario: then I'm getting someone else to write a report (another auditor)
nefario: and finally
nefario: a third person to verify the profit and loss, and report are correct
Diablo-D3: nefario: as long as none of those are smickles, thats ... still a dumb idea.
nefario: auditing is a dumb idea?
Diablo-D3: no, trusting you to it
nefario: I'm not doing it
nefario: which is the point
nefario: I don't have the time
nefario: Have a conference to attend and run
nefario: stock market
nefario: change the world
nefario: etc.
mircea_popescu: i haven't had such a good laugh in probably months
mircea_popescu: so glbbq isn't entirely a waste. it entertains.
Diablo-D3: I dont trust you to chose auditors.
nefario: I've only gotten one so far
mircea_popescu: why not ? he could "hire" usagi, an anonymous "3rd party" with "qualifications". he knows ito integral calculus!
[\\\]: <nefario> I've hired an outside party with qualifications << whom?
[\\\]: the auditor should be well known
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I lol'd
[\\\]: in fact, its announced BEFORE the audit
Diablo-D3: I agree with imsaguy
[\\\]: at least on a real stock exchange
Diablo-D3: this whole thing is extremely shady
mircea_popescu: auditor shopping lol
Diablo-D3: not only that, the shareholders should have to agree to the chosen auditors as well
[\\\]: aye
[\\\]: I think Diablo-D3 is a douchebag
[\\\]: don't get me wrong
[\\\]: but this stinks of shady
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how much does an auditor make per hour in btcland ?
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: 32
[\\\]: err 42
nefario: mircea_popescu: we're missing you at the conference
mircea_popescu: maybe i could outsource.
nefario: hugs and kisses
mircea_popescu: nefario ty, if i ever need to sleep on the floor in the insalubrious apartment of a failed poker player
[\\\]: notice how my questions go unanswered?
mircea_popescu: i have plenty of acquaintances to oblige .
[\\\]: Who is doing the audit?
jcpham: mircea_popescu you should've attended
nefario: mircea_popescu: I don't play poker
jcpham: i'm disappointed
mircea_popescu: not you fool.
mircea_popescu: jcpham how's teh soup ?
nefario: you know you look like a tool on the forum
nefario: everyones there
mircea_popescu: which forum do i look like a tool on ?
jcpham: sorry i'm not from the eurasian continent
[\\\]: Who is doing the audit of DMC?
jcpham: it's a pretty small place i hear
mircea_popescu: dude, forum scum != bitcoin. quite the opposite, actually.
jcpham: mircea_popescu i'm disappointed you didn't go to look down upon them
jcpham: you know, pull up in your limo full of ladies
mircea_popescu: jcpham well, i saw no point in doubling their credibility.
nefario: [\\\]: I'll announce it later
jcpham: good point
Diablo-D3: jcpham: and his 12 foot tall black bodyguards
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 nah, the girls double as bodyguards.
Diablo-D3: those breast implants come in handy, I guess
jcpham: any time you can flaunt it, you should
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 especially if it gets cold at all, they can stab you in teh eye.
jcpham: sometimes i give horrible advice on irc freely
mircea_popescu: vote or die, mothafucka
mircea_popescu: or else you're getting hard nipple in the eye.
[\\\]: <nefario> [\\\]: I'll announce it later << when?
BTC-Mining: [\\\] no one is, for now there's only a motion about if Diablo should be thrown out of managing DMC
[\\\]: BTC-Mining: nefario said it already began
nefario: wrong
[\\\]: so which is it?
nefario: I said DMC is being audited
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.08889999 = 0.5334 BTC [-]
[\\\]: yeah
[\\\]: the audit already began
[\\\]: which means what BTC-Mining said is false
Diablo-D3: DMC cant be audited until the shareholders sign off on the auditors.
jcpham: Diablo-D3 i remember when i thought u were joking about DMC
jcpham: what's the problem
nefario: The audit should be done before the vote is closed
mircea_popescu: how exactly is this "audit" going to go exactly ?
mircea_popescu: do you depose Diablo-D3 ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 8 @ 0.08899999 = 0.712 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: he doesnt even make sense anymore =/
[\\\]: How will the auditor know what mining assets DMC has?
[\\\]: going to visit Diablo-D3?
[\\\]: man, that airfare is going to eat whatever value is in DMC
Diablo-D3: yeah, really.
mircea_popescu: jcpham btc, XBIZ London would prolly be more to your taste anyway. i think i have invites somewhere too
jcpham: if i go to conference, i'd probably start a riot
mircea_popescu: lol why ?
jcpham: people see me and want more
jcpham: and i just can't give it to them
nefario1: is that why you're locked in your mothers basement?
jcpham: yes, exactlynefario
jcpham: i just can't hve nice things
mircea_popescu: lol im sure the girls have seen it all.
nefario1: not sure sisters count
jcpham: or nephews?
Diablo-D3: or first cousins?
Doffx: Que Serra Serra/
jcpham: smh
mircea_popescu: singe r Doffx
Doffx: haha
mircea_popescu: jcpham http://www.xbizeu.com/schedule.php there, pussycash is sponsoring teh registrations.
BTC-Mining: You've never made sense, trading DMC shares for less than par value. It works like a reverse ponzi. The late investors get more.
Doffx: Ohhh that looks like fun mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: they usually throw some kickass parties, but meh.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: london is messy and crowded. and after a while...
BTC-Mining: It's also quite against the contract terms, it was supposed to be for buying mining equipment. You should have motioned going fund managing and the trading chart rates.
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: read the contract terms again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00039412 = 5.0053 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: If you consider reinvesting in equipment to be equivalent to buying mining stocks, then yes, for that part, 50% reinvestment is ok.
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: I outsourced the mining until the DC is done
BTC-Mining: The trading part was not however. Trading rates should have been motioned
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.082 = 0.328 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.0823 = 0.4115 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.08235 = 0.4941 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining does have a point there.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 38 @ 0.29949219 = 11.3807 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.0824 = 0.412 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: the trading provided much needed liquidity to the market
mircea_popescu: when you failed to get your original funds (1 mn btc) you should have repaid investors and that's that ; not doing that the next best thing would have been to trade market rather than your imaginary valuations. you got raped cause of them.
BTC-Mining: but was always made against existing shareholders to the profit of new people coming in. You always changed the trading rate to be under NAV to constantly attract people to trade shares with DMC.
BTC-Mining: It's that part which pissed everyone off, mostly.
Diablo-D3: no, people got pissed off at what they thought was happening
mircea_popescu: d'oh ?
mircea_popescu: what ELSE would they get pissed at ?
Diablo-D3: instead of thinking about it for a moment, they ran off half cocked and will probably end up costing them their investment
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5001 = 2.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: be more speciffic.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 11 @ 0.0105 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I traded most of the stuff for _now_ ~1 btc = 1 dmc
Diablo-D3: the only thing that differed greatly was asicminer
mircea_popescu: nah, i recall a conversation we had where you were trading about 1/6 of mkt value
Doffx: Diablo-D3, haha you have got to be the most stubborn person ive ever seen.
Doffx: I thought my wife was bad, glad im not married to you!
Doffx: :)
Diablo-D3: you have to be stubborn to do this kind of work
Diablo-D3: if you let every little thing stop you, you'd never get anything done
mircea_popescu: in this case it worked in reverse.
BTC-Mining: ... on the contrary, you need to work through them. Being little things, they're easily walked over, not impossible to pass walls.
BTC-Mining: or at least that's my opinion
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: yes, and I have been working through them
Diablo-D3: I havent stopped working on DMC, even with nefario's threats
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 120 @ 0.09989999 = 11.988 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 46 @ 0.0999 = 4.5954 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 99 @ 0.0999 = 9.8901 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.0999999 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.09999991 = 0.6 BTC [+]
nefario1: what threats?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.09999994 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.09999994 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 50 @ 0.0002 = 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.11968988 = 2.9922 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.119798 = 0.9584 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09999994 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: nefario1: that you're going to shaft shareholders based on a motion most of them dont have enough information to make a decision on
[\\\]: asicminer going up, does someone know something the rest of us don't know?
nefario1: they can always vote down the motion
Doffx: Its coming out next week, you didint see the post?
Diablo-D3: Doffx: url
Doffx: :P
Diablo-D3: you're kidding arent you
Diablo-D3: you ass
Doffx: I'm completly kidding
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
jcpham: Doffx is also on that list of people repaid
mircea_popescu: it's been going up and down with the wind.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0997 BTC [-]
jcpham: that other thing
Doffx: I realisticly expect these things around january
mircea_popescu: doffx 2013 ? 2015 ?
Doffx: 2013
Doffx: I think even modminer will be january
BTC-Mining: He's going to either liquidate the assets and return the funds to shareholders or motion for a new person to manage DMC
Doffx: I still want to see friedcat get his going sooner.
BTC-Mining: not shaft shareholders...
Doffx: I am on that other list jcpham
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0985 = 0.985 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: They'll keep all value stored in DMC's assets
Doffx: It makes me sad daily that I didnt sell at 12 when I planned then talked myself out of it
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining well his theory is that under any management other than his own investors are "getting shafted" mostly because the liquidation value of assets diverges from the arbitrary value he assigned to same assets.
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.4999 = 0.9998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 46 @ 0.0321 = 1.4766 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: nefario can only liquidate assets on glbse
mircea_popescu: do you hold other assets ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6199 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.62 = 1.24 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: are you asking the question if DMC is moving ahead on other parts of the plan? yes.
mircea_popescu: no. does dmc own tangible assets outside of glbse
mircea_popescu: like, a car. a brick. some celery. anything.
nefario1: or BTC
Doffx: I can sell him a brick, and some organic celery if needed/
nefario1: had some organic coke the other day
Doffx: dammit I cant seem to hit the . button tonight
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 977 @ 0.14520725 = 141.8675 BTC [-]
nefario1: all I can say about it is
nefario1: coke is a HELLOVADRUG
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, I have some celery in the fridge, shareholders can have it.
Diablo-D3: derp herp.
Doffx: Haha, your not helping nefario1.
Doffx: Wtf with your name too
mircea_popescu: don't start with usagi-esque fraud/donations. does it own anything.
nefario1: network keeps cutting out
nefario1: so I keep getting renamed
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: Ive already answered the question
Doffx: haha
mircea_popescu: well i never saw teh answer, so waht is it ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: read the thread more
mircea_popescu: i never read any thread lol.
Doffx: mircea_popescu, is all knowing, he doesnt do threads.
mircea_popescu: Doffx i get weekly digests, but more's the point, wtf sort of q is this to need a reference answer. "yes, 500 dollars in cash and a used condom.". "no"
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: you... dont read... threads....
Doffx: haha, I was just trying to be funny.
Doffx: Need to try harder I suppose.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i got a girl to do that for me.
mircea_popescu: Doffx nono. try softer :D
Doffx: :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.61921 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6192 = 3.096 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6191 = 3.0955 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: argh now you sound like goat
mircea_popescu: maybe vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: and at great effort on his part, i might add.
Doffx: Not even close, there would need to be at least 10 mispellings, and 15 typos and a sentance that makes no sense whatsoever.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.09999994 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 313 @ 0.62 = 194.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he does speak a very approximative english, does he.
Diablo-D3: slightly more approximate than yours at times
Doffx: Whatever languange it is its messy
Doffx: wow thanks spell check
mircea_popescu: haha
Doffx: What the heck is languange?
Diablo-D3: jesus the dmc thread is a mess
Diablo-D3: thanks nefario and co
Doffx: That was an Iphone text moment in IRC.
mircea_popescu: which thread isn't a mess ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.69 = 2.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.705653 = 2.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.721103 = 7.211 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the dmc thread
Diablo-D3: and whoever is buying gigamining: STOP WASTING YOUR MONEY
kakobrekla: BUY DMC
Doffx: I bought 1000 shares and traded it for DMC
Doffx: Sorry im bored and waiting for game to download.
Diablo-D3: found it
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1188408#msg1188408
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to answer the question. assets.
mircea_popescu: "No BTC from DMC has gone into the web hosting service project" this would mean "no assets".
BTC-Mining: Anyone wants to get rid of their GIGAMINING shares?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its funny you bring that up
Diablo-D3: fairpoint would largely disagree with you on that
Diablo-D3: in the contract between them and verizon when they bought up the northeast service area, assets sold to fairpoint included various contracts
mircea_popescu: what/who is fairpoint
Diablo-D3: fairpoint is one of the big phone companies in the US
Diablo-D3: now, what verizon did was cancel those contracts after fairpoint purchased them but before the ownership switchover date passed
mircea_popescu: a ok. i fail to see how that applies to your case.
Diablo-D3: so, was verizon right in canceling those contracts after selling them to fairpoint? according to you, they're not assets even though they were crucial to the operation of the phone system
mircea_popescu: !ticker BAKEWELL
assbot: [GLBSE:BAKEWELL] [Bid: 0.12500001] [Ask: 0.15] [Spread: 0.02499999] [Last: 0.15] [24hVol: 0.45] [7dAvg: 0.15]
mircea_popescu: look, if you put no company money into anything then you can't own anything. nothing from nothing doctrine.
rg: ;;later tell nefario done
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BTC-Mining: Damn, I see so many lending/investments requests where people ask for a business plan/legitimate questions. And the thread owner shrugs all questions off as trolls attacking their "obvious higher intellect/business skills". Cases of too stupid to know you're stupid?
BTC-Mining: So many empty words answering so many crucial questions too...
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining hopefully anyone with any coins left has learned the pirate lesson by now
BTC-Mining: Nice looking words forming meaningless statements are not arguments... keep that kind of talking for the art gallery.
mircea_popescu: also hopefully the ones who haven't will orderly lose all their coins and will never be sufficiently many to ever matter again.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: so basically you shoved the entire service industry under a bus. good job.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
BTC-Mining: The service industry! It's getting away under buses! Catch it, catch it before it escapes to the neighboring countries!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27629 @ 0.00039408 = 10.888 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Any motions raised by shareholders will be considered non-binding advisory votes."
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is funny.
mircea_popescu: seems diablo DID HAVE a catchall clause in his contract.
mircea_popescu: nao what bitchez,.
nefario1: I'm not a shareholder
nefario1: I raised the motion
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: you'd seem to be a third party.
nefario1: ja
mircea_popescu: ahh this trainwreck.
mircea_popescu: it's like the funny paper.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P080N] 1 @ 0.09633473 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.65000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 70 @ 0.00955 = 0.6685 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.09999995 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 10 @ 0.009 = 0.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29044 @ 0.00039465 = 11.4622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23509 @ 0.00039387 = 9.2595 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.129 = 1.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 50 @ 0.129979 = 6.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.09999995 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.09999995 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.09999996 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.09999998 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.09999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 16 @ 0.1 = 1.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11159 @ 0.00039387 = 4.3952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P090N] 7 @ 0.13485511 = 0.944 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00039504 = 12.8388 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0034 = 0.017 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.FAIL] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P080N] 8 @ 0.09569491 = 0.7656 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.0889 = 0.5334 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.089 = 0.445 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu:
smickles: with just a few minutes to spare
smickles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.msg1192380#msg1192380
smickles: the MPOE.ETF financial report :D
mircea_popescu: o it's that day of the month isn't it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1 @ 0.58539533 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: http://www.natursource.com/retail/tamari-almonds.htm
BTC-Mining: A product I'd recommend for anyone's pantry.
mircea_popescu: smickles so you sold some mpoe stock and paid back yourself whatever was left from mpex fee ?
smickles: lol, no, paid back the loan for the 20 btc GLBSE fee
BTC-Mining: 20 btc glbse fee?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 2 @ 0.21 = 0.42 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya say wut ?
smickles: mpoe.etf was charged 20btc to list
mircea_popescu: o wait, you listed before the fee reduction uhh
mircea_popescu: lol hit up nefario for a rebate :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 5 @ 0.205 = 1.025 BTC [-]
smickles: naw, i'll wait till btc are ~150 usd each for that :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: 0.31566871 wage expense, 1000% up from average, this connected ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 3 @ 0.20010001 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
smickles: um, let me have a look at that
assbot: [GLBSE] [GREEN] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [+]
smickles: oh yeah, by the contract, wages expense is based off of real revenue
mircea_popescu: o, you get a % ?
smickles: holy shit
mircea_popescu: .py 1570.35531024 / 1110
markac: 1.41473451373
smickles: oh
smickles: i read that as <@assbot> [GLBSE] [SS] 2 @ 0.05
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1 @ 0.009 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, for running it, i take a 1% cut
mircea_popescu: aha yeah. cool.
mircea_popescu: you almost made a cuppa coffee this month :D
smickles: i guess the going rate has gone up since i started it (as deadterra is taking 5%)
mircea_popescu: he's taking 5% of dividends tho
smickles: it's basically the same thing because he doesn't buy/sell the underlying
smickles: i take a smaller cut for doing more work
mircea_popescu: well wait, you take 1% of what, nav ?
smickles: real revenue
mircea_popescu: as in, dividends + share appreciation ?
smickles: dividends and share sales
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: o incidentally, Cash payments for purchase of MPOE stock.. 1.00016000
mircea_popescu: you bought stock but your stake seems to have diminished ?
mircea_popescu: or my recollection is off
smickles: bought less than sold in total
mircea_popescu: ah
smickles: that was a purchase i arranged at .00028
mircea_popescu: you bought at 28 ?!
smickles: :)
mircea_popescu: lol juciy.
mircea_popescu: how did you manage that lol, buy me some too
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.114 = 2.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1989 @ 0.009 = 17.901 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, buy shares in the fund :D
mircea_popescu: ahahah
mircea_popescu: but pretty cool stuff. 6 months old now too
mircea_popescu: halfway to first dividend report.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 20 @ 0.15 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00039314 / 0.00039577 / 0.00039885 (1217705 shares, 481.94 BTC), 30day: 0.000035 / 0.00038514 / 0.00042 (78081787 shares, 30,073.15 BTC)
mircea_popescu: .py 64849 * 0.00039577
markac: 25.66528873
mircea_popescu: so wait. if you're net - 65k yo should have 25 a yes you do
mircea_popescu: jesus this is painstakingly detailed man.
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.4999 = 2.4995 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: how long do you take to make them ? coupla hours ? more ?
mircea_popescu: !ticker mpoe.etf
assbot: [GLBSE:MPOE.ETF] [Bid: 0.00180181] [Ask: 1.34] [Spread: 1.33819819] [Last: 1.35] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: ]
mircea_popescu: heh. impressive how inclined to recognize value glbbq is.
smickles: the reports? yeah, couple of hours at the most
mircea_popescu: well, they're certainly setting a standard.
mircea_popescu: speaking of standards, do you find yourself inclined to step into the dmc mess ?
BTC-Mining: I buy DMC shares by the way, if anyone is dumping them
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining they're not really worth more than 0.049 iirc ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: in what capacity?
mircea_popescu: well, they've completely fubar'd it beyond recognition, nefario and diablo. now they pretty much need a 3rd party that's not reputed mentally deficient / 3 years old
Obsi: and they have to have an epic beard as well
mircea_popescu: to pick up the pieces, make a statement abotu what the situation is, do the accountign etc
BTC-Mining: I have a poor idea of their current NAV value.
BTC-Mining: But I'll buy them if they're cheap enough
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i recall somebody working it out somewhere but i think the holdings were sligjhtly outdated at the time
mircea_popescu: smickles iirc Diablo-D3 was asking for you to be that 3rd party.
jcpham: i think someone should pay smickles
jcpham: if that is the case
mircea_popescu: i think so too, but i wouldn't imagine that'll muchly happen
BTC-Mining: I'll pay him in food. Is that ok with you smickles?
mircea_popescu: lol, i'd throw some btc dust into the pot if it makes the drama stop
mircea_popescu: it's becoming a public nuisance.
jcpham: glbse accountant on retainer
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19085 @ 0.00039504 = 7.5393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5066 @ 0.00039538 = 2.003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00039711 = 8.2202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5749 @ 0.00039737 = 2.2845 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, I'd rather have smickles as one of them
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 3 @ 0.025 = 0.075 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 2 @ 0.00999999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
smickles: well, i could probably do something to help out :)
smickles: It seems to me that something is brewing in the community to work on these sort of issues
mircea_popescu: yeah. it finally dawns on glbbq, a year later, that maybe being a little more like mpex in this respect too wouldn't be a bad thing.
smickles: Obsi: i have a beard, but i should not be the one to judge wether it be epic or epyllion
Obsi: mircea_popescu can give you tips on making it epic I'm sure
mircea_popescu: obsi you have some pent up something you want to share ?
Obsi: I want to tickle your beard
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol. currently im shaved tho.
smickles: it was an epic beard
mircea_popescu: it does grow back east enough
smickles: aw, why do i leave /away on :(
Diablo-D3: smickles: btw, you run a bitcoin accounting company, right?
mircea_popescu: ya, smickles, michael & carver.
Diablo-D3: fee chart noaw
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.05999989 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7151 @ 0.00039737 = 2.8416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0003974 = 10.9285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10303 @ 0.00039817 = 4.1023 BTC [+]
smickles: Diablo-D3: i don't run accounting company. however, I am strongly considering it once i move to arizona and learn that stat's accounting regulations,licences, etc
Diablo-D3: usagi: that'd be great as long as you arent on the board of it
Diablo-D3: what we need is more smickleses
Diablo-D3: what, we can clone him
mircea_popescu: with free solar power
Diablo-D3: smickles: how much would you charge DMC to handle stuff?
Diablo-D3: usagi: you need an odd number.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 205 @ 0.1 = 20.5 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: maybe.
Diablo-D3: fine, its probably the only way to keep it honest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1200 @ 0.003 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 800 @ 0.00337901 = 2.7032 BTC [+]
smickles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109660.0
smickles: heh
mircea_popescu: o hey, theymos admits owning part of glbse publicly ?
Diablo-D3: oh what
Diablo-D3: seriously?
Diablo-D3: CANT TRUST ANYONE, WARGH
mircea_popescu: i thought it's big secret bla bla.
smickles: all you base are belong to theymos
smickles: yay! it's back! http://bit.ly/RMjqah … hmm, how long has that island been there?
[\\\]: I'm not on it
[\\\]: sad panda
mircea_popescu: o hey, it's back
mircea_popescu: [\\\] well it's cause you don't talk to people. but it's fixed nao.
Diablo-D3: I AM NOT IN THE CENTER
Diablo-D3: THIS GRAPH IS WRONG
mircea_popescu: you were suspended from center too ?
smickles: damn mircea_popescu , you and assbot have a thik rod together
mircea_popescu: thickest on the map. i have no ideea why either
mircea_popescu: ;;lastseen hashking
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen hashking
gribble: hashking was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <hashking> hi
mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?
smickles: you seem to be the nexus
mircea_popescu: the guy was here and said hi ? wtf happened next?
smickles: ;;seen BTCHero
gribble: BTCHero was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 1 hour, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <BTCHero> slow night i guess
smickles: i'd like that to answer your question
mircea_popescu: go ahead ?
smickles: was hashking ever all that talkitive in here?
mircea_popescu: this may be his first foray
Diablo-D3: I dunno though
Diablo-D3: maybe I should start another company
Diablo-D3: one to mine in space.
Diablo-D3: nefario cant take the assets if they're in orbit.
mircea_popescu: prolly the better avenue for you would be to find employment with some established company.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean no forum play-pretend bullshit "companies" either.
smickles: Diablo-D3: would you just need bookkeeping or would you need reports too?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.114 = 6.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 5 @ 0.00012682 = 0.0006 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 832 @ 0.00039387 = 0.3277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00039366 = 6.2198 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00039302 = 15.1509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2818 @ 0.00039288 = 1.1071 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.08820001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9282 @ 0.00039288 = 3.6467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00039281 = 18.5406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49421 @ 0.00039269 = 19.4071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55715 @ 0.00039266 = 21.8771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3878 @ 0.0003926 = 1.5225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.0003926 = 18.1381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9342 @ 0.00039257 = 3.6674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00039245 = 24.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00039242 = 8.7117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20607 @ 0.00039239 = 8.086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00039235 = 23.8549 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37658 @ 0.00039229 = 14.7729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62359 @ 0.00039224 = 24.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33296 @ 0.00039219 = 13.0584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00039215 = 19.1761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00039214 = 3.0979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00039207 = 5.2929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00039201 = 3.8025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.000392 = 18.2672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00039196 = 13.797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00039189 = 16.1067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00039188 = 11.5996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00039186 = 10.9721 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52603 @ 0.00039184 = 20.612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53932 @ 0.0003917 = 21.1252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17578 @ 0.00039169 = 6.8851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00039169 = 3.2902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00039168 = 15.2364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00039163 = 8.1851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.0003916 = 9.8683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58641 @ 0.00039155 = 22.9609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00039153 = 6.8518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00039152 = 13.2334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0003915 = 9.7092 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: omg ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15018 @ 0.00039145 = 5.8788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00039141 = 24.0717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0003914 = 2.7398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00039139 = 9.8239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32087 @ 0.0003913 = 12.5556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00039123 = 1.0954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57991 @ 0.00039122 = 22.6872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00039111 = 8.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52796 @ 0.00039101 = 20.6438 BTC [-]
smickles: i call 38
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.000391 = 6.4906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00039096 = 15.0129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00039093 = 8.2877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00039088 = 1.9153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31444 @ 0.00039082 = 12.2889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49547 @ 0.00039075 = 19.3605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00039069 = 10.3142 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whay!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17710 @ 0.00039065 = 6.9184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7301 @ 0.00039055 = 2.8514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00039053 = 11.4425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27726 @ 0.00039036 = 10.8231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00039036 = 8.5489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00039036 = 12.2573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57339 @ 0.00039033 = 22.3811 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00039026 = 8.0784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24020 @ 0.00039023 = 9.3733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00039018 = 6.3599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320 @ 0.00039017 = 0.1249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00039015 = 18.5711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00039015 = 12.6409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00038991 = 19.4175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00038988 = 4.6006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4689 @ 0.00038986 = 1.8281 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey, you called it.
smickles: :)
mod6: that was a good call
mircea_popescu: lol did you just dump mpoe.etf holdings ?
mircea_popescu: omg i can't believe this
mircea_popescu: .py ( 0.00039288 - 0.00038986) / 0.00038986 * 100
markac: 0.774637049197
mircea_popescu: this is the new definition of solid.
assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hundreds of btcs sold, < 1% price drop
smickles: naw, mpoeetf still has all the shares it had a moment ago
mircea_popescu: well sbdy dumped
smickles: inb4 fake trades
mircea_popescu: right-o
smickles: who was it saying all the small value trades were suspicious?
mircea_popescu: lol define small value
smickles: <1btc, i think. maybe less than 5
mircea_popescu: lol funny cause i just re-read the list, there's nothing < 1
smickles: i.e., a chain of sub-0.01 trades totalling less than 1btc
smickles: well i certainly like to see this depth hold and grow
mircea_popescu: nothing compred to mtgox depths yet, but we have hope.
mod6: :]
smickles: well, there's a good hard-looking wall at .00035 it seems
smickles: about 370ish btc around there
mircea_popescu: yea
smickles: and well over a hundred btc until that even gets touched
mircea_popescu: well something like 500 or maybe even 1 k just got extracted
mircea_popescu: s.dice seems to have about the same 500 depth
mircea_popescu: i nthe end these aren't really too big if one thinks in terms of nyse stocks really
mircea_popescu: but i'd guess for btc it is pretty darn good.
smickles: what would a 1kbtc sell do to giga?
smickles: looks like wipe the board
mircea_popescu: i dunno
mircea_popescu: .py 100000*0.00023000
markac: 23.0
mircea_popescu: ya even 500'd wipe
mircea_popescu: tho it;'s been sold to all hell actually
mircea_popescu: !ticker f.giga.etf
assbot: [MPEX:F.GIGA.ETF] 1day: 0.000415 / 0.00042972 / 0.00047591 (118600 shares, 50.96 BTC), 30day: 0.00030644 / 0.0007656 / 0.00113797 (13928824 shares, 10,664.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: it's been realy sold off massively, for whatever reason
mircea_popescu: looks pretty distressed.
smickles: huh, looking at glbse, there's tabs of 'bluemarket whitemarket pinkmarket blackmarket'
smickles: wonder what that's about
smickles: whatever reason? it's a fixed hash 'bond' isn't it?
mircea_popescu: well, glbse has to continually "reinvent" itself to distract people from the fact that pretty much any money they put in there is lost.
mircea_popescu: smickles ya but it took an abrupt beating this week
smickles: ah, it's categories of quality ostensibly
smickles: black has all the ppt's and such
mircea_popescu: right. had a bunch of scammy/failed stocks, made version 2.0. in due time this got filled with scammy/failed stocks so now makes colors
mircea_popescu: then 3.0
mircea_popescu: then etc.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 882 @ 0.0034 = 2.9988 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [01:38:07] <smickles> Diablo-D3: would you just need bookkeeping or would you need reports too?
Diablo-D3: smickles: its the reports I suck at
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, you missed that I was telling a joke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15033 @ 0.00039715 = 5.9704 BTC [+]
smickles: Diablo-D3: i'm considering offering services at ~6 btc an hour. if you keep double entry books, i could probably make your reports in one hour
Diablo-D3: guh.
smickles: but this would have to wait until i finish moving
smickles: i should be done with that after oct 1
Diablo-D3: this would have to wait until dmc can afford that
Diablo-D3: I swear Ive had this conversation before
smickles: *insert joke; form: 'how much can you afford?' cabbie takes the money, drives one block
mircea_popescu: <Diablo-D3> smickles: its the reports I suck at << this is very true. i would guess the entire thing could have been avoided with some well written reports.
mircea_popescu: people kept asking for reports, not getting them, eventually it turned into a lynch mob.
smickles: Diablo-D3: you really think 6 btc is too much? bean counting is a professional service
Diablo-D3: smickles: our best month ever paid like 40btc dividends
mircea_popescu: ya this is the problem of btc really. both of you have a point.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 11.6322, Best ask: 11.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.06780, Last trade: 11.63214, 24 hour volume: 36438, 24 hour low: 11.41502, 24 hour high: 11.799
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 11.62
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.30131631 = 301.3163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.39115708 = 391.1571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 220 @ 0.39114219 = 86.0513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 480 @ 0.30129138 = 144.6199 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: wow.
Diablo-D3: smickles, usagi: it may be entirely possible the entire community is full of nutjobs
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 30383 @ 0.00047591 = 14.4596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 19617 @ 0.000485 = 9.5142 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1192323#msg1192323
Diablo-D3: thats insane!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.112 = 1.12 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: planned.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 11.69, Best ask: 11.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 11.75, 24 hour volume: 18477, 24 hour low: 11.6, 24 hour high: 11.78991
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70400 @ 0.00035 = 24.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 9 @ 0.99 = 8.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.0999 = 2.4975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6329 @ 0.00035061 = 2.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46324 @ 0.00039699 = 18.3902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47347 @ 0.0003971 = 18.8015 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.04998999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.04999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 130 @ 0.32 = 41.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.0999 = 5.6943 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 343 @ 0.1 = 34.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 45 @ 0.03158745 = 1.4214 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.03144282 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.03117194 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 14 @ 0.0310594 = 0.4348 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.03090401 = 0.0618 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.03077875 = 0.0923 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.03065739 = 0.2146 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.03051631 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.03031472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.030279 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 109 @ 0.03 = 3.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.0261 = 0.3915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23653 @ 0.0003971 = 9.3926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2120 @ 0.00039711 = 0.8419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9647 @ 0.00039817 = 3.8411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0003985 = 9.9625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3724 @ 0.00039885 = 1.4853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.0003989 = 6.0234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59309 @ 0.00039898 = 23.6631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00039938 = 20.4483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00039941 = 0.5192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13569 @ 0.00039997 = 5.4272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039999 = 9.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56147 @ 0.00040062 = 22.4936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00040063 = 6.8908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00040108 = 22.8616 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00040112 = 1.6847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61437 @ 0.00040115 = 24.6455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00040116 = 1.4462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00040156 = 19.6764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00040167 = 16.7095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00040172 = 7.713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52062 @ 0.00040183 = 20.9201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17396 @ 0.00040196 = 6.9925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00040206 = 6.9958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00040208 = 12.6253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11599 @ 0.00040223 = 4.6655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00040236 = 11.2661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00040242 = 9.1752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0004025 = 1.771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00040263 = 22.0641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00040284 = 5.1161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56134 @ 0.00040285 = 22.6136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00040346 = 10.3286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00040362 = 2.9464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00040383 = 22.5741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00040387 = 17.8107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00040406 = 18.6272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00040426 = 12.4512 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00040459 = 16.6691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1298 @ 0.00040583 = 0.5268 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hahaaa! teh lord takekh and teh lord giveth backeth.
copumpkin: I see nothing wrong with it
copumpkin: it's pretty standard practice to make a ladder of orders
copumpkin: I think it's like mtgox, where if your order for X crosses 100 small orders during execution, all of them get reported
mircea_popescu: copumpkin ?
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: does MPEX report a separate trade for all orders crossed?
mircea_popescu: nope
copumpkin: that would explain them coming in batches and being comparatively small
mircea_popescu: what would be the point of that ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 3 @ 0.35 = 1.05 BTC [+]
copumpkin: well, if you report the aggregate active order, you need to talk about the average price it executed at
copumpkin: reporting smaller crossed orders can be exact
mircea_popescu: but in principle this is something that the aggregators do.
mircea_popescu: mpex furnishes the raw data.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o wait. is some idiot on my ignore list being an ass ?
copumpkin: assbot is being an ass!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: lettuce point out to the anonymous yet random idiot that a second ago that dubious tyger-p-whatever DID THE EXACT SAME THING
mircea_popescu: albeit on a scale more adequate to the failure that is glbbq, which is to say 100th
copumpkin: Smoovious: what's wrong with that?
copumpkin: if you're not going to let people take fractional shares, having lots of small shares is almost as good :)
copumpkin: Smoovious: it's more efficient ;)
mircea_popescu: it's incredible these people. they do something WRONG because they are INCOMPETENT. then they get used to it. then when somebody does it right they whine.
mircea_popescu: you don't belong on the internet, get off it.
copumpkin: Smoovious: what's wrong with having loads of tiny shares?
copumpkin: that's what I was saying is more efficient
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
copumpkin: say you have some criterion for picking an optimal portfolio, and the optimal portfolio wants 1.3 shares of BRK-A
copumpkin: (BRK-A shares cost $130k each)
copumpkin: you can't do that, because you don't have fractional shares
copumpkin: so you either need to have too much BRK-A, or too little
copumpkin: heh
copumpkin: you make an excellent argument and I concede
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.6549 = 5.8941 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 8 @ 0.655 = 5.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 20 @ 0.697699 = 13.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 30 @ 0.6977 = 20.931 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.69998 = 2.0999 BTC [+]
jcpham: i like to make sure the books on the shelf are listed by library of congress number
jcpham: crazy ocd person!
mircea_popescu: you're a statist!
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 100 @ 0.101 = 10.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 100 @ 0.1 = 10 BTC [-]
jcpham: that's insane
jcpham: stop breathing my oxygen
BTC-Mining: I need more assets... who's selling DMC?
BTC-Mining: or anything else for that matter
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i seriously doubt anyone holds dmc outside of the people he traded assets with.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, have some s.dice.
BTC-Mining: eh, how far are they by now
mircea_popescu: far ?
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (8000 shares, 27.20 BTC), 30day: 0.0032 / 0.00329454 / 0.0034 (4637641 shares, 15,278.91 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 900 @ 0.00043545 = 0.3919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11500 @ 0.00042821 = 4.9244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00042665 = 0.4267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7774 @ 0.00042487 = 3.3029 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3271 @ 0.00042197 = 1.3803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 555 @ 0.00041616 = 0.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 74 @ 0.12999 = 9.6193 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Still 4 million at 0.0034
BTC-Mining: Wasn't the new design supposed to be out already?
mircea_popescu: mmm maybe.
BTC-Mining: Kick evoorhees for me. Tell him to have the new design ready already.
mircea_popescu: lol. i hate new designs.
mircea_popescu: if i were to kick him for something, it'd be to never change it in the first place.
BTC-Mining: GIGAMINING passthrough on MPEX
BTC-Mining: ~ 0.42 on MPEX
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 194 @ 0.0030505 = 0.5918 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.00339999 = 0.085 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 475 @ 0.0033999 = 1.615 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Arf, I need to find a good deal somewhere
mircea_popescu: lol now that diablo's gone ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.495 = 0.99 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Anyone need to dump anything?
BTC-Mining: Oh oh!
BTC-Mining: pink white blue black market implemented
BTC-Mining: with default market page not including black market assets
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3825 @ 0.00041616 = 1.5918 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: and all pirate/scam/gone issuer assets are in black market it seems
BTC-Mining: I'm now back in the top 20 of traded assets
mircea_popescu: wd
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.665889 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.162998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0033999 = 0.0102 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 77 @ 0.1 = 7.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5553 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [IBB] 1 @ 0.5897 BTC [-]