assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10242 @ 0.0034 = 34.8228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23933 @ 0.00039296 = 9.4047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28131 @ 0.00039296 = 11.0544 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0999 = 0.999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.0999 = 1.2987 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.0999 = 0.7992 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: as long as we dont have a south korean singing this its fine
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 16 @ 0.0999 = 1.5984 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 20999 @ 0.00019 = 3.9898 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 20999 @ 0.00019 = 3.9898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14269 @ 0.00039296 = 5.6071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7686 @ 0.00039292 = 3.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 20999 @ 0.00019 = 3.9898 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 20999 @ 0.00019 = 3.9898 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 25000 @ 0.00019 = 4.75 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: nefario still hasnt fixed the motion
Diablo-D3: I think hes lost all credibility at this point
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11479864 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.70995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 20300 @ 0.000485 = 9.8455 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.11479863 = 0.4592 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.0045 = 0.0225 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 2 @ 0.00955 = 0.0191 BTC [+]
sgornick: mircea_popescu: Why are there asks listed for O.BTCUSD.C100T ? (and where has the volume for options gone?)
sgornick: or why are there *no* asks for O.BTCUSD.C100T
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29921 @ 0.00039358 = 11.7763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32565 @ 0.00039363 = 12.8186 BTC [+]
sgornick: Well, I guess adding up the monthly volume totals it is strong, just visually the charts any of the call options looks sparse. Lot more PUT options.
sgornick: Someone must see something I don't.
mircea_popescu: sgornick i gave up trying to comprehend wtf with the option buys months ago.
mircea_popescu: but there's something like 30k contracts sold this month, which is i think a little more than last
mircea_popescu: people tend to gang on them towards end, less time value
Bugpowder: settles at 1BTC if over, 0 if under?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.0998 = 0.499 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0998 = 0.1996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0329 = 0.658 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 19 @ 0.03299999 = 0.627 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 41 @ 0.033 = 1.353 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.6001] [Ask: 0.6179] [Spread: 0.0178] [Last: 0.6001] [24hVol: 44.63959] [7dAvg: 0.62654595]
assbot: [MPEX:F.GIGA.ETF] 1day: 0.00039054 / 0.00041822 / 0.000485 (1066594 shares, 446.08 BTC), 30day: 0.00030644 / 0.00077549 / 0.00113797 (13994946 shares, 10,853.01 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.0959 = 0.2877 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36935 @ 0.00039292 = 14.5125 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE:COGNITIVE] [Bid: 0.6] [Ask: 0.6338] [Spread: 0.0338] [Last: 0.55] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.55625294]
assbot: [GLBSE:BTC-MINING] [Bid: 0.87] [Ask: 0.995] [Spread: 0.125] [Last: 0.996] [24hVol: 19.92] [7dAvg: 0.96058]
assbot: [GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.0907] [Ask: 0.10735] [Spread: 0.01665] [Last: 0.1074] [24hVol: 39.9959] [7dAvg: 0.10900774]
assbot: [GLBSE:FPGAMINING] [Bid: 0.635] [Ask: 0.70995] [Spread: 0.07495] [Last: 0.70995] [24hVol: 41.21495] [7dAvg: 0.76700514]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.0034 = 0.0238 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.0998 = 0.2994 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.0999 = 0.2997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5915 @ 0.00048371 = 2.8611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00039363 = 0.4058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41094 @ 0.00039465 = 16.2177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5008 @ 0.00039473 = 1.9768 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.6338 = 4.4366 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.114798 = 0.3444 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.4945 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.495 = 1.485 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1600 @ 0.00047591 = 0.7615 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 7 @ 0.034 = 0.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 0.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.03652199 = 0.2557 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.03669202 = 0.1101 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.03669202 = 0.1101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3892 @ 0.00039473 = 1.5363 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16261 @ 0.00039475 = 6.419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7200 @ 0.0004688 = 3.3754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 32000 @ 0.00046868 = 14.9978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00041282 = 2.3944 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.03669202 = 0.1835 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 14 @ 0.0372078 = 0.5209 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.03999999 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.355 = 0.71 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 40 @ 0.37 = 14.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 5 @ 0.398 = 1.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039331 = 9.8328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2793 @ 0.00039292 = 1.0974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 807 @ 0.0003929 = 0.3171 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5552 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.10735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0003929 = 4.6362 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: does he even realize what he wrote?
smickles: oh, i thought you were saying that he was shutting down
Chaang-Noi: glbse was more than just pirate, however it turns out most of glbse was pirate so i guess maybe not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21856 @ 0.00039529 = 8.6395 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0661 = 0.1322 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.699999 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.6002 = 1.8006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1195 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1006 @ 0.00039584 = 0.3982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47377 @ 0.00039585 = 18.7542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8317 @ 0.00039607 = 3.2941 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.555 = 1.11 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i wonder how many non mining operations are going to default
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0995 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: mining operation which defaults isn`t really a mining company ;)
PsychoticBoy: pay with other assets div and tell ppl you own hardware
Chaang-Noi: well whatever diablo was doing was yeah crazy
Chaang-Noi: mining comapny and then turn it into a ponzi
Chaang-Noi: but the other people should not fail i woud hope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28173 @ 0.00039529 = 11.1365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4698 @ 0.00039489 = 1.8552 BTC [-]
OneMiner: If I was investing in a mining company and they were buying GPUs or FPGAs right now..... That's a bit worse don't you think? Buying up non-ASIC hardware would be a waste of money.
OneMiner: Even back then... That would be my gamble, I'd hedge for ASICs big time.
OneMiner: I agree, buying up singles seems like it would have been a good move.
OneMiner: The real test is when they will ship. First to market has such an advantage.
Chaang-Noi: EB250 D3 sold his stock and bought that obsi thing, i agree it has not been proven to be a ponzi but yeah... it does not look good for a mining company
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P010T] 20 @ 0.02693108 = 0.5386 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: tygrr tech one of the oldest mining operations on glbse 1.0 is selling off its hardware, let me know if you guys need an old tech :)
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i want to set up an operation on there but i cant pay out in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P010T] 27 @ 0.02624383 = 0.7086 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: the value would be based in the real world
Chaang-Noi: smoovious you just got a dividend :) and more will come as i sell hardware
Chaang-Noi: you can sell it for .1 btc if you wish
OneMiner: I'm bummed, I don't think I'll be ordering an ASIC right away... Cost is just too much.
Chaang-Noi: i wont buy asic until i see it is real
OneMiner: I really like that they intend to drop around the same time. Makes me think that the mining ecosystem could turn out ok. And that makes Vlad less of an issue.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P010T] 27 @ 0.01601091 = 0.4323 BTC [-]
OneMiner: Go for it, the more retailers the better. I'm selling signed jerseys right now.
OneMiner: Ya, I'm convinced that people WANT to spend bitcoins! They get excited and probably talk to people who may scoff. Show off some gear, the fruits of the labor.
OneMiner: Yup. That's a pretty cool reason to start reselling if you are not in N. America or something.
OneMiner: Ya, not you in this example.... I'm guessing it's not such an issue to buy American gear.
OneMiner: There's a ton of value in that for bitcoin. It's suited so well for international transactions.
assbot: [GLBSE] [METAL.SILVER] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
OneMiner: That's sortta my deal with the jerseys. I'm a middleman.
Chaang-Noi: what does it mean if the hdd is clicking like 5 to 7 times and nothing will load
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: like get to the mainboar bios screen and freeze
JWU42: clicking hdd is likely bad hdd
JWU42: try spinrite on it if you need to recover data
JWU42: might take a few days
Chaang-Noi: i dont need the data, its just a mining rig
Chaang-Noi: thing is i took it to the shop and they got it running
OneMiner: Chaang-Noi Can you see the SMART data?
Chaang-Noi: i dont know what SMART data is oneminer
OneMiner: The SMART test is run at boot. BIOS may have info from that test.
Chaang-Noi: all i see is the msi logo and it locks up
Chaang-Noi: i hate to take it back to the shop again after they spent an hour trying to fix it and then got it up and running...
OneMiner: I suggest booting from a live CD and trying some kind of diagnostic.
Chaang-Noi: im trying to get them ready to sell on the market
JWU42: his attempt at humor
Chaang-Noi: but damn, why did it take 5 mins to load up?
JWU42: bad sectors perhaps
Chaang-Noi: well its thailand and it gets fucking hot here
OneMiner: Throwing errors, error check takes up some time. You should scan it for whatever.
Chaang-Noi: wow after i restarted it fine, not problem
Chaang-Noi: also anyway to know if it could just be me chaning the video cards? i did change a card or two in it
OneMiner: You can do a surface scan in windows. There's other software on the net too.
OneMiner: Ya, that SMART one should be small and fast. It's a very good idea to check the SMART data.
Chaang-Noi: and what if i find it has some bad stuff, what then?
OneMiner: Yup, or use it for skeet shooting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3899 @ 0.00039489 = 1.5397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1033 @ 0.00039442 = 0.4074 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: not knowing and trying to fix something just kills me inside
Chaang-Noi: was testing the cards, the ram, the psu lol
OneMiner: Chaang-Noi you got crazy insano low prices or what?
Chaang-Noi: okay ill look into it, right now it seems to be fine
OneMiner: Well, the gear you are selling. I'm wondering how "priced to sell" they are.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 100 @ 0.00989 = 0.989 BTC [+]
OneMiner: Shipping two ways, total waste of time.
OneMiner: hahaha true. All my gear is a frankenstien collection partially assembled with elecrical tape.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]
OneMiner: Ya, too bad. Sounds neat. Never heard of a radio tuner card. Check out the... what do you call it? Multiple freq radio on a chip?
Chaang-Noi: dont ahve a sell thread yet guys, and it is not fire sale yet
OneMiner: I'm looking for what the damn thing is acually called. It's very cool. It hops freqs quickly and you can get a picture of many Mhz worth of traffic.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [+]
OneMiner: That's what I need. A nice fire sale, preferably of ASICs (somehow).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183 @ 0.00039607 = 0.0725 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 0.6076 = 4.2532 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 63 @ 0.00900001 = 0.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.08710001 = 0.2613 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 45 @ 0.0871 = 3.9195 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 27 @ 0.087 = 2.349 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.0867 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.08665 = 0.3466 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 21 @ 0.0865 = 1.8165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00039666 = 14.3591 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.10149999 = 0.203 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: What's the thing with DMC being seized?
OneMiner: Lot's of drama, hurt feelings. There's some stuff in the DMC thread about it.
BTC-Mining: I thought Diablo had gone insane when he started to trade mhash against mhash... when selling market and buying market would have been a better deal to get mhash.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1009 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.099 = 1.287 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 760 @ 0.098 = 74.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 786 @ 0.098 = 77.028 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 400 @ 0.098 = 39.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10917 @ 0.00039651 = 4.3287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00039442 = 7.1489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039392 = 7.5633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15158 @ 0.00039366 = 5.9671 BTC [-]
OneMiner: Seems one thing is without question, the way DMC was defined in the beginning didn't specifically allow for buying up a bunch of bonds.
mircea_popescu: well, i'm sure to mention this to all my married friends
mircea_popescu: seeing how their marriage contract doesn't specifically allow for anal sex.
mircea_popescu: but yes, other than that the correct thing to do upon the ipo failure was to return investor funds.
OneMiner: I acutally don't fault the buys he made (total noob here, don't listen to a word I say). But it does seem that nefario has the autority to do whatever.
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't occur to anyone as a path to take.
mircea_popescu: OneMiner his buys were insane. it's completely unclear whereof does nefario get any authority.
Bugpowder: it was if satoshidice took the money then traded it all for some promising stakes in new competitors that have not been coded yet
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well erik is perfectly within his right to spend his money on w/e he wants, he'sselling his own stake. different thing altogether.
OneMiner: nefario can influence these things. Who can stop him? It's up to him to define GLBSE too right?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 2 @ 0.24 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 6 @ 0.2449 = 1.4694 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ya well these'd all be problems of teh global scam exchange, im sure they sort it out eventually
OneMiner: I do find it problematic that one person can sieze assets and shut people down on a whim essentially.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what i find problematic is that random joe blow with no competence in any field does it.
mircea_popescu: take the example of this seizure : it was perfectly warranted and poorly implemented (or w/e, horribly communicated)
OneMiner: Anybody can open a lemonaid stand. If it tastes good or has nails in it is due to the person running it. To stop people you'd have to put some kind of filter in place that whouldn't work out very well I think.
mircea_popescu: in practice if "anyone can open a lemonade stand" the net result is a spiral of doom, poorer and poorer quality.
OneMiner: Now I have to move to South America to evade capture. Maybe the IRS will be after me too now. lulz
Chaaang-Noi: nefario shut me down, locked my account cuz he assumed i was a scammer
BTC-Mining: He locked it down for investigation... so long as he unlocks it afterward unless something is not as it should.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7942 @ 0.00039366 = 3.1264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22658 @ 0.0003935 = 8.9159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1 @ 0.4189883 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 39 @ 0.131 = 5.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 50 @ 0.1301 = 6.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.0003935 = 1.2364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00039325 = 8.3369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8358 @ 0.00039314 = 3.2859 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 0.6189 = 4.3323 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 307 @ 0.0033994 = 1.0436 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 279 @ 0.0033995 = 0.9485 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.619 = 4.952 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.69995 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.619 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.61948 = 2.4779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00039396 = 6.6185 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I think it insures too much for too low rates.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.61948 = 5.5753 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mp says low rates are investing in market share
jcpham: i thought i was going to die for a second looking at that
mircea_popescu: "die for a second", french way of saying blowing your load.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11980 @ 0.00039666 = 4.752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00039679 = 6.4677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12983 @ 0.0003968 = 5.1517 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1237 @ 0.00039704 = 0.4911 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1198 = 5.99 BTC [+]
jcpham: you can ignore me EskimoBob, I won't mind at all. In fact, I insist.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00999999 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.035 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.035 BTC [-]
copumpkin: Chaang-Noi: so do you still think I'm a terrible person?
Chaang-Noi: i never said that, i said i was disapointed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00039514 = 5.4529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15652 @ 0.00039396 = 6.1663 BTC [-]
copumpkin: pfft, black scholes is so last century
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 14 @ 0.99999999 = 14 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 17 @ 1 = 17 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0034 = 17 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 34900 @ 0.000415 = 14.4835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6800 @ 0.00041699 = 2.8355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3300 @ 0.00041923 = 1.3835 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.09800001 = 0.686 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2774 @ 0.098 = 271.852 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.09800001 = 0.588 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2280 @ 0.098 = 223.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 110 @ 0.0975 = 10.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.097 = 4.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.09600001 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 135 @ 0.096 = 12.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.095952 = 0.2879 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 99 @ 0.0951 = 9.4149 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0901 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.08999999 = 1.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 37 @ 0.09 = 3.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 269 @ 0.09 = 24.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1089 @ 0.00900001 = 9.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE:OBSI.HRPT] [Bid: 0.09000001] [Ask: 0.1] [Spread: 0.00999999] [Last: 0.09] [24hVol: 1,552.71804084] [7dAvg: 0.09557662]
MoneyIsDebt: well, the contract states he may change interest down to 0%
MoneyIsDebt: "Estimated coupon payouts are 0% to 1% per day"
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.9899 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: it's a bit higher than the collective trust in glbse , I'd wager
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1848 @ 0.00900001 = 16.632 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: OBSI.HRPT [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.059745 BTC. Last price: 0.09 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: 0.049745 BTC. (49.7%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 71 @ 0.127 = 9.017 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tho at the rate it's paying out i doubt your "forever".
BTC-Mining: where each asset owned got multiplied by 10 or 100 or whatever.
mircea_popescu: soo, anyone want to lend me a coupla million obsi.hrpt for 3 months ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: It doubles in 3 months doesn't it, at the interest it's paying. So you'd have to pay full buying price to loan them.
MoneyIsDebt: .. which will increase difficulty and lower the value of the holdings?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 20 @ 0.09 = 1.8 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: You probably wouldn't affect difficulty that much by yourself
MoneyIsDebt: The trick is to trigger the next big wave in bitcoin
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.0873 = 0.1746 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.0873 = 0.3492 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: which will be when profit from fees exceed the block reward
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003399 = 0.0102 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: well, something might cause fees to increase
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.003399 = 0.0136 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 28 @ 0.0917 = 2.5676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3348 @ 0.00039332 = 1.3168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12963 @ 0.00039704 = 5.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00039716 = 13.3446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11774 @ 0.00039793 = 4.6852 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.09000001 = 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.08819013 = 0.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.08782041 = 0.8782 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.08696412 = 2.0871 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.0864171 = 0.5185 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.086 = 0.258 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.0850111 = 1.5302 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.0850111 = 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.085 = 2.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.6195 = 2.478 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: guess it worked - dump, and now the wall is gone
MoneyIsDebt: was this the market manipulation you were talking about, usagi?
MoneyIsDebt: I'd be surprised if nobody buys at this point
Lucidize: How come it's hovering below 0.1?
MoneyIsDebt: because obsi can sell 10000000 of them at any time
Lucidize: oh I see, didn't notice that before
Lucidize: So how many of the 10 mil shares have been issued?
BTC-Mining: I guess because people are expecting it to close doors?
MoneyIsDebt: hmm, there's a post saying he won't issue more this sunday
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nobody who throws money around at "investments" has any coin left. they who have coin don't "invest" in non-investments.
BTC-Mining: Mass sellers brings more mass sellers.
BTC-Mining: I suppose everyone invested thinks it's a ponzi and as such, no demand, no cash flow, no more div. Runaway time.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.033 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: hmm, roughly, if it's a ponzi, he could still pay out for about 14 weeks
MoneyIsDebt: if he keeps paying, I'm sure some buying will happen for the return
mircea_popescu: the only incentive for a ponzi scammer to make a payout is the notion that he's going to skip ion a larger one later.
MoneyIsDebt: but who's to say he doesn't reinvest the money
mircea_popescu: into something very lucrative that we can't be told about ?
DeaDTerra: How do I leave a message to someone that's not online?
DeaDTerra: ;;later tell Nefario Don't forget my candy bar^^
DeaDTerra: ;;later tell Nefario1 Don't forget my candy bar^^
BTC-Mining: mircea, he technically told how the money was used, although if that's true or even feasible is questionable.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 15 @ 0.00012682 = 0.0019 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.09989997 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09989997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.0872 = 0.436 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7801 @ 0.00039497 = 3.0812 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 6 @ 0.076889 = 0.4613 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: You were selling matthew-default contracts?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DI.BFLSC.FAIL] 15 @ 0.001 = 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.10508971 = 105.0897 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: BTC-Mining: She didn't know Matthew before so...
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6901 = 3.4505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 28 @ 0.69 = 19.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.65515 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.6551 = 1.9653 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.655 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I bet 10k BTC, I didn't think he'd pay up, but I was 100% sure pirate wasn't going to pay.
Bane_Capital: That's when he didn't give any stock to the people who actually make the magazine possible.
BTC-Mining: As such betting 1 BTC or 1 million BTC carried the same risk in my opinion.
Bane_Capital: I started to doubt him when he got into the $300,000 territory.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 0.035 = 0.07 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: usagi: I can only imagine him running red lights in his suzuki right now.
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.0191 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.0193 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: iirc it was a partnership between smickles and some other guy to run a sort of arb bot
Bane_Capital: I am now remembering why I didn't finish this movie
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130N] 1 @ 0.3880117 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: yeah, SS was the stock that was split by 100x
Bane_Capital: SS should of just promised to buy back profits
assbot: [GLBSE] [THUNDERCM.MIF.SHARES] 9 @ 0.3917 = 3.5253 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: E.g. use a total divided to buyback shares at a price of principal + profit
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.5552 = 1.1104 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.42989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1198 = 5.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.11999899 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.637 = 1.274 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 6 @ 0.6366 = 3.8196 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.6365 = 1.9095 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.632 = 2.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.6301 = 2.5204 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 1 @ 0.90384615 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4001 = 2.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 10 @ 1.4 = 14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24893 @ 0.00039793 = 9.9057 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 6 @ 0.6601 = 3.9606 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.66 = 6.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 8 @ 0.64 = 5.12 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: and not the long-term integrity of the investment vehicle
mircea_popescu: well share value has no value to them because most things purporting to be shares aren't.
Bane_Capital: Hm, I guess you could say mining turds are raw investments but with all the risk attached
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 118 @ 0.11999998 = 14.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 110 @ 0.11999999 = 13.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.8 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.11999999 = 3.24 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.25BTC] paid: 0.44317596 BTC. Last price: 0.6195 BTC. Capital gain: -0.6305 BTC. Total: -0.18732404 BTC. (-15%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11999999 = 0.36 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: what does that command really show though, when you don't include a date
BTC-Mining: Eskimo, they were sold for 1 BTC on IPO
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.44317596 BTC. Last price: 0.6195 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3805 BTC. Total: 0.06267596 BTC. (6.3%)
MoneyIsDebt: not really relevant unless you bought at day 1 then
MoneyIsDebt: remember, at day 1 it's priced by the issuer
Bane_Capital: Exactly his point. The initial investors are screwed
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.1202 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Hmm, maybe it was at 1.25, but I thought it was IPOed at 1
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.12011001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 2 @ 0.12011 = 0.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: JAH [200@0.1BTC] (since: 2012-06-12) paid: 10.26878 BTC. Last price: 0.13 BTC. Capital gain: 6 BTC. Total: 16.26878 BTC. (81.3%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09467999 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: JAH [1@BTC] paid: 0.08647365 BTC. Last price: 0.13 BTC. Capital gain: 0.13 BTC. Total: 0.21647365 BTC. (-100%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: JAH [1@0.3BTC] paid: 0.08647365 BTC. Last price: 0.13 BTC. Capital gain: -0.17 BTC. Total: -0.08352635 BTC. (-27.8%)
BTC-Mining: In any case, most fixed bonds loss is due to the fact USD/BTC price raised a lot and thus, difficulty is catching on and the value of the equipment (in BTC) halved, since BTC now buys twice the mhash equipment.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: so even with my "good" purchase, I can't liquidate
BTC-Mining: Not because mining bonds are inherently bad, but because any raise in USD per BTC undermines the bond values a lot.
BTC-Mining: Not since the last 6 months, since the last 3 months
Bane_Capital: MoneyIsDebt: It has no backing. It might as well be worthless.
BTC-Mining: since btc price started going up fast in June
Bane_Capital: An active price of something someone is willing to pay at a moment's notice
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.331 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.331 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: See how it coincides with the BTC price raise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00039789 = 5.5307 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: nothing much else that provably makes a bitcoin income though
BTC-Mining: before that difficulty was slowly rising, often dropping as much as it raised.
jcpham: Bane_Capital i read all your forum threads
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 4 @ 0.0600001 = 0.24 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: Bane_Capital: Isn't part of the problem that with X bitcoins, you can only place X bids on glbse? You can't place X bids on all the stuff you're interested in. So liquidity is lower than it could be.
BTC-Mining: Yeah, but my point is, if USD/BTC price stays stable, mining bonds become good. Unfortunatly, BTC is deflationary, which is bad for mining bonds.
jcpham: it is not my job to approve or disapprove sir
BTC-Mining: If BTC was inflationary, I'd say buy mining bonds.
MoneyIsDebt: EskimoBob: But real life business doesn't grow as fast as the btc/usd price, thus it's still a turd
Bane_Capital: MoneyIsDebt: How does it work in other stock exchanges?
jcpham: generally speaking, yes i disapprove of the bitcointalkforums and the community that supports, it yes
jcpham: some have labeled me social darwinist
MoneyIsDebt: You place bids on whatever you want. If a bid is met, the bids you can't afford anymore are reduced to whatever funds you have.
jcpham: although i have no clue what that means
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
Bane_Capital: MoneyIsDebt: Nefario needs to be made aware of that.
BTC-Mining: [13:12] <MoneyIsDebt> so what to invest in?
BTC-Mining: I pay 0.5% weekly, fixed. Loan based, no devaluation.
BTC-Mining: It is a bond. And one which respects the true meaning of the term "bond".
BTC-Mining: Use this spreadsheet and links on it to get more information. I think it's exhaustive enough.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.12 = 2.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: I'll invest at some random time to hide the fact that it's me
BTC-Mining: Well I have to keep it at 200% of loan in assets, so because of variations in price, I'll try and keep it under that.
BTC-Mining: The assets on the spreadsheet, trading, exchanging. Sometimes I trade on MtGox a bit, when something happens (like the pirate default).
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.00999999 = 10 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Probably because I take on almost all the risks. If any asset makes a loss, I have to eat it up on my share of the portfolio.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20533 @ 0.00039793 = 8.1707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15734 @ 0.00039835 = 6.2676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17064 @ 0.00039851 = 6.8002 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.1161 = 3.9474 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.116 = 2.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1199 = 0.7194 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 392 @ 0.12 = 47.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.12 = 2.04 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: Just finished Atlas Shrugged the movie. It wasn't too bad. Clearly low budget but not bad.
Bane_Capital: I understand why most people would be bored by it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 12 @ 0.11 = 1.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26004 @ 0.00039851 = 10.3629 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.9899 BTC [+]
Bane_Capital: Usagi: I think you might enjoy it. Basically it's about industry leaders going on strike.
MoneyIsDebt: It's not really about industry leaders going on strike though
MoneyIsDebt: It's about increased regulation forcing those leaders to take their business elsewhere
MoneyIsDebt: Like all manufacturing being moved to china and taiwan
MoneyIsDebt: to put it in a more modern setting than the book
gribble: Best bid: 11.66001, Best ask: 11.66222, Bid-ask spread: 0.00221, Last trade: 11.66, 24 hour volume: 38845, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.66
gribble: Best bid: 11.69, Best ask: 11.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 11.75, 24 hour volume: 40042, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.75
DeaDTerra: Anyone here that's going to the conference tomorrow? :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.119899 = 0.7194 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 100 @ 0.0200001 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 4 @ 0.02 = 0.08 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.72138, Best ask: 11.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.02862, Last trade: 11.75, 24 hour volume: 40217, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.75
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.1124001 = 0.4496 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11220133 = 1.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11220121 = 1.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11210121 = 1.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1121012 = 2.8025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.1120011 = 5.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.10960001 = 3.9456 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10950001 = 2.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1095 = 2.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.1091 = 0.9819 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.10900001 = 3.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.109 = 10.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1085 = 0.217 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10696525 = 0.2139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10601 = 1.0601 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.10511355 = 0.3153 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.711, Best ask: 11.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.03900, Last trade: 11.711, 24 hour volume: 40340, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.75
gribble: Best bid: 11.711, Best ask: 11.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.03900, Last trade: 11.711, 24 hour volume: 40340, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.75
gribble: Best bid: 11.71, Best ask: 11.78098, Bid-ask spread: 0.07098, Last trade: 11.78098, 24 hour volume: 40555, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.799
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 5 @ 0.139999 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 42 @ 0.13999999 = 5.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 39 @ 0.14 = 5.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 8 @ 0.15 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.5553 = 1.1106 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.5553 = 4.4424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00039851 = 5.5014 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00039858 = 1.7139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24319 @ 0.00039878 = 9.6979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00039878 = 3.0706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2376 @ 0.00039885 = 0.9477 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1260 @ 0.0034 = 4.284 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.0034 = 0.1428 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.6195 = 3.717 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 11135.246 bitcoins offered at or under 12.0 USD, worth 132960.36825 USD in total.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.61958 = 4.9566 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 43475.871 bitcoins offered at or under 13.0 USD, worth 534979.043223 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 51206.932 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 555374.394154 USD in total.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 26 @ 0.62 = 16.12 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
gribble: Best bid: 11.721, Best ask: 11.72999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00899, Last trade: 11.72999, 24 hour volume: 40695, 24 hour low: 11.30112, 24 hour high: 11.799
Bugpowder: All these people buying gigamining need to get an account on MPEX and buy from me at a 15% discount
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@0.58BTC] paid: 0.44317596 BTC. Last price: 0.62 BTC. Capital gain: 0.04 BTC. Total: 0.48317596 BTC. (83.3%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@0.58BTC] (since: 2012-08-10) paid: 0.07725 BTC. Last price: 0.62 BTC. Capital gain: 0.04 BTC. Total: 0.11725 BTC. (20.2%)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations).
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.119799 = 0.4792 BTC [+]
assbot: !ticker <ticker> (desc: returns current GLBSE/MPEX ticker values)
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>] (desc: profit loss calc for GLBSE assets)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 5 @ 0.15483157 = 0.7742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:F.GIGA.ETF] 1day: 0.00039054 / 0.00042374 / 0.000485 (871345 shares, 369.23 BTC), 30day: 0.00030644 / 0.000769 / 0.00113797 (13934052 shares, 10,715.35 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.08899999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.05493999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: its like they let all the loonies out
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: one, outside the kansans city federal building, there might be a bomb inside the car of a self proclaimed terrorist
Diablo-D3: two, a third american embassy was attacked over a troll video from a pcp addict
Diablo-D3: third, intel announces their new atom cant run linux
Diablo-D3: that means their ONLY market for low power x86 (tiny netbooks and >10" super tablets) cant actually run their product
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11968989 = 0.3591 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00039818 = 11.0296 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: and intel doesnt support it with their new driver stack
Diablo-D3: then intel legitimately can claim it
Diablo-D3: none of the news stories are saying why
Diablo-D3: I'd look for a ulv fusion if amd has them out in time
OneMiner: Ya, I'll bet they don't know. Intel just listed it like it's a feature and left it like that probably.
Diablo-D3: no, I'd get laid, and then go back to being diablo
Diablo-D3: THERE ARE NO WOMEN ON THE INTERTUBES
Diablo-D3: DOUBLY SO FOR THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 34 @ 0.3 = 10.2 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: you're asian, you ALL look androgynous
OneMiner: Anyone claiming to be female in the bitcoin community should do that with a doctors note if anybody is going to belive them.
Diablo-D3: ffs, now intel claims they have jelly bean running on that new atom
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 5 @ 0.00012682 = 0.0006 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: also, paul graham should quit faxing photos of his penis to google
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4001 = 2.8002 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4 = 2.8 BTC [-]
OneMiner: I hope the marines at the US embassys can just fire into crowds that are attacking them. Pass out the ammo!
Diablo-D3: OneMiner: actually thats the massively hilarious part
Diablo-D3: the libyan embassy had no marine protection
Diablo-D3: at least 3 people were killed because of it
Diablo-D3: one of them a well known video game player
OneMiner: I caught that. I had no idea. I thought they always had marines.
Diablo-D3: fuck the terrorists, what the fuck is this shit
OneMiner: That is sick. It's years and years away though. They are probably messing with tiny little specs of that stuff.
Bane_Capital: I wouldn't classify them as terrorists. They are just mad, religious nutters.
Diablo-D3: under US law they COULD be arrested for inciting violence
Diablo-D3: since it happened on the embassy grounds, it happened inside the united states
Diablo-D3: they can also be charged with the hate crime bonus round
Diablo-D3: where we double their life sentences.
OneMiner: I think it's in very poor taste to make that movie or even the trailer. They should just drop this. But it's an important freedom. They'll never be prosecuted.
Bugpowder: 95% chance the superconductor story does not pan out.
Diablo-D3: it almost sounds like its naturally forming carbon nanofiber cyrstal chains
OneMiner: Have you seen the trailer? It's not even funny. It's just insulting, some of it sounded historicaly true but it's presented in a very biased way.
Diablo-D3: we already know specially doped diamonds are conductors
Diablo-D3: OneMiner: mohammad had a loli fetish
Diablo-D3: who cares, that was the norm back then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00039818 = 4.2546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1515 @ 0.00039789 = 0.6028 BTC [-]
OneMiner: Diamod transistors are the shizz. I want a gigaflop grill.
OneMiner: He's stupid in the trailer too. It's obviously ment to make people angry.
Bugpowder: Diablo-D3: Sorry, that story smells like total horseshit. Flaky material, only works sometimes, no observation of resistance loss, etc etc I am upping it to 99.9% bullshit
Diablo-D3: they proved they cant be trusted with nuclear reactors
Diablo-D3: they had a chance to shut this plant down 20 years ago
Diablo-D3: they could supply all their power needs with wind alone
Diablo-D3: tokyo being lit up like new york, everything
OneMiner: No, people don't understand. They think that non-nuclear is "green" because there won't be any fallout.
OneMiner: Yes, I think it is. But Joe Whatever from Japan thinks that they give him lung cancer.
Diablo-D3: take all the nculear stuff in the world, including the worst accidents
BTC-Mining: usagi: solar might get cost effective very soon
Diablo-D3: including both chernobyl and the concrete lake
Diablo-D3: including both nuclear bombs and all the bomb testing
BTC-Mining: and potentially, fusion, although there's a load of improvements to be made before that happens.
Diablo-D3: coal outputs that much radioactive material per year.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.00339999 = 0.085 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: all the radiation with nuclear FOREVER is what coal does per year.
Diablo-D3: also, solar already is cost effective
OneMiner: I agree still. The radiation released isn't at a dangerous level for the globe. Chernobyl was a very similar accident to Fukushima in a way, in that they ignored safety until it exploded in their faces.
Diablo-D3: OneMiner: oh, its extremely dangerous
Diablo-D3: people are getting cancer because of it
Diablo-D3: cancer rates near coal plants is much higher than the norm
Diablo-D3: now, to be fair, coal also causes cancer with several other emissions
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: so its not all radioactive related cancers
OneMiner: Yes, that's my understanding as well. I'd like to ban burning coal ASAP. Vote OneMiner for world dictator!
BTC-Mining: Diablo, it's cost effective in that it can bring a profit, but it's not in the sense that it's cheap to produce.
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: no, its actually cheap to produce
Diablo-D3: problem is its the volume fucking companies
Diablo-D3: plus the republicans throwing money at scams
OneMiner: You make em once and they keep producing for a long time.
OneMiner: Also you can build a more distributed grid that's resistant to black/brown outs.
OneMiner: With residential solar that is.
Diablo-D3: why do you think I went with a solar/wind split for DMC?
Diablo-D3: because I get the best of both worlds at a price cheaper than outright buying the electricity from the power company
Diablo-D3: especially when you factor in the next 30 years of power price increases
OneMiner: It's clear that it would save money in the long run.
Diablo-D3: ESPECIALLY when you realize they're mandated by law to buy power from me at retail prices
OneMiner: Fingers crossed for the tokamak.
Diablo-D3: usagi: you know, no one knows how the largest shareholder is going to vote
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00339999 = 0.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 100 @ 0.0002 = 0.02 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: well, if you dont vote, thats just like voting yes because of how nefario wrote the motion
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012682 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: why do you think I wish I could find a way off glbse?
OneMiner: The voting is kept secret until the motion is finished?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00039789 = 6.0479 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11699999 = 1.17 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: dishonest? All motions have no numbers shown until it's done... that's like saying you could see votes live during elections before voting is closed. Way to encourage/discourage people.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 22 @ 0.0033999 = 0.0748 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: but we CAN see voting numbers before elections are closed
Diablo-D3: usagi: its up to you to vote, but if you vote yes now, you basically are telling everyone that you never believed in the plan and were just in it for the money
Diablo-D3: Theres a difference between making money legitimately and being a greedy fuck.
Diablo-D3: I like making my money legitimately, the question is which of those two do you want to be
Diablo-D3: I dont care if you are or if you arent
Diablo-D3: nyan and bmf's ass is on the line too
Diablo-D3: anyone who has ever invested in dmc or dmc has invested in them, we're all going to sink or swim here
Diablo-D3: yes, but will bmf shareholders write off bmf?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont think you realize how honest and straightforward the community is.
Diablo-D3: If you decide that you were in it just to be greedy, then why in hell would anyone invest in you ever again?
Diablo-D3: usagi: I lost about 1000 BTC total in money.
Diablo-D3: yes, I already said the fixed mhash bond shit was not my finest moment.
Diablo-D3: nefario still has done nothing about it, and I simply dont care.
Diablo-D3: usagi: yes, I may have helped collapse the market.
Diablo-D3: yes, but bmf's assets decreased the whole time
Diablo-D3: usagi: yes, and then I handed the asicminer over to abmo for 0.10 of asicminer for 0.20 of abmo.
Diablo-D3: I traded future profits for both future profits and profits now.
Diablo-D3: while doubling the value of the asset
BTC-Mining: Diablo-D3, 99% of the people are against you. The remaining 1% is yourself. Maybe you should requestion your methods. Most of your trades were at a loss comparing both asset's current market price. It might have been an increase in (or in potential) mhash/s. But the thing is, you'd have gotten more mhash/s selling at market price and buying the other at market price.
Diablo-D3: because that assumes GLBSE has market liquidity
Diablo-D3: people cant sell out of their positions because no one is buying
BTC-Mining: liquidity is small but I usually manage to buy/sell at market rate.
Diablo-D3: that means DMC would have had no investors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2584 @ 0.00039789 = 1.0281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00039723 = 5.4023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8816 @ 0.00039652 = 3.4957 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I reckon other mining funds managed to buy/sell assets at market rate...
Diablo-D3: look at the assets that have no bids atm
[\\\]: there is no market depth
[\\\]: couple hundred shares in any asset could bring them to 0
Diablo-D3: neither of those represent the market rate (its about 0.01)
teek: whatever happened to the glbse liquidty / reserve update
Diablo-D3: nefario never implemented it afaik
teek: he did implement it
teek: i saw it implemented for a cpl hours
teek: then it got rolled back
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09949985 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: That might be true, but when orders appear on the market (buy), they get filled. Just watch for one.
Diablo-D3: I think if I remain CEO, I'll end the trade program
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.09949985 = 0.796 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.09949986 = 2.985 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 31 @ 0.09949999 = 3.0845 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.0995 = 0.597 BTC [+]
[\\\]: and then all the bids got trashed
[\\\]: so he had to remove the changes
teek: that is basically the reason there is no liquidity on glbse
teek: even trading on the real markets
teek: you don't only bid for one thing with the same money
OneMiner: Is there some kind of best practices or how to I can read?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6976 BTC [+]
teek: EskimoBob: people keep saying that, but it isn't margin
teek: my normal brokerage account does not have margin
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
teek: that doesn't mean i can't place a ton of bids on different things
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.09949999 = 1.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.0995 = 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.09969946 = 9.9699 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.09969947 = 9.9699 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.09969999 = 6.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0997 = 4.985 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 141 @ 0.09989999 = 14.0859 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.0999 = 9.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 99 @ 0.0999 = 9.8901 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 44 @ 0.09999997 = 4.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.09999998 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 252 @ 0.1 = 25.2 BTC [+]
gigavps: i believe that's the way it works now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00039885 = 0.5983 BTC [+]
teek: ive had a brokerage acct for approx 10 years
teek: it has always worked like that
teek: but it is a normal cash acct
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 816 @ 0.10803636 = 88.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1107 @ 0.1 = 110.7 BTC [+]
teek: if the market goes where i want on a particular issue, the order executes
teek: if there there is no avail funds, for the next order, it simply does not execute
teek: and the bid is removed
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012682 BTC [+]
teek: what do you mean by "smooth"
teek: the liquidty problem is caused by this, say i want to buy gigamining at .3 and bmmo at .04, i have 1 btc. i can place an order for 3 giga OR 25 bmmo, but not both. i have to lock my money into one thing that may never happen
teek: i should be able to bid on 10 different issues at a price i would be happy with
teek: thus creating liquidty on all those issues
teek: Smoovious: but they do have the funds for it
mircea_popescu: teek : increasing the appeareance of liquidity moreover.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [+]
OneMiner: I'd like to put my coins somewhere but I'm feeling out of my depth. I don't suppose that anybody reviews all of the options out there? How did you get your start investing?
BTC-Mining: Which is why if anyone lacks bids to sell off and wish to sell me at a discount, I'm available.