asciilifeform: apparently moar bound than rube-asciilifeform prev. thought.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: presently i suspect there is a glut of supply in this geography.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my principal ill feeling is re the price, it is suspiciously small. 'there has to be catch'.
asciilifeform: and that my key to the grounds is being readied.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile 5min ago i was informed that the leased ips (initially, 6) are prepared.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i will be speaking in person to proprietor to help fill in all of the constants for numerics ( in particular, the cost of additional amperage, when required ; and the stability of the (suspiciously low) price , in particular re desirability of locking it in through advanced payment . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it would appear that you're correct re 'hold value', at the very least : death of 'moor's law' is palpable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also like the thermal margin offered by ecc. but the point is made.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is valid but cost differential for 'dulap'-types is negligible .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: moar concerned with 'box goes down' or 'writes garbage to disk' or 'permits login from rando' than 'garbage www output'.
asciilifeform: ( rk, however, lacks ecc. but also much smaller footprint for particle. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i only buy ecc, last thing i need in list of headaches is neutron . have enuff headaches. (ftr asciilifeform detects 2-3 ecc corrections each yr. per box.)
asciilifeform: for today also, grr, are scheduled the physical maneuvers. but indeed i cant expect anyone to subscribe unless it is made known to what they're subscribing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman : i'ma have to re-do the whole numeric orchestra, and write proper summary, w/ rationally-founded constants and at length. will need , potentially, entire day. ( still guarantee cost less than piz, however, for analogous machines. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 100 is a rounded-off output of complicated arithmetic similar to ^ including cost of cage, % of max amperage eaten by $box at peak load, cost of ip, amortization of iron. i'ma post for criticism after tea.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma post the exact breakdown momentarily
asciilifeform: ( piz colo , for comparison , was 141.7 u.s.$ / mo, for empty hole, machines were moar )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i propose price : equiv of 100 orc$ per mo per such leased machine, inclusive of full service . to be paid either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, as customer so wishes.
asciilifeform: presently i wish to 'buy' some coin personally however.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i determined that dc knows how to eat wires. when comes the time to expand the tower, will run BingoBoingo-style auction , to fill this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mp_en_viaje is my sole tutor for 'how to serious'.
asciilifeform: it's where subj is taught, it was not taught at uni, no.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can appreciate 9000 things. which is wai show up to mp_en_viaje's whipping post.
asciilifeform: will keep spares around, likewise, ate mp_en_viaje's flame re 'what kinda tard are you, no spare irons?'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun anticipate buyin' anyffin but rackables until further notice, lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current understanding is that yer done w/ '1 cage' regardless, asciilifeform's edifice is to house mirrors, spares ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fill 1, go +ev, get 2nd, get 3rd..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in fact i'm continuing the dig for spare dc's. cuz this is the obvious, kindergarten problem.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other.
asciilifeform: if you as matter of principle dun want to use an asciilifeform isp, plox to say so right off, rather than 'play with food'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is this actual q, or simply constructed to give asciilifeform a banana to slip on ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no intention of housing heathens. specified right off the bat, l1+l2.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can haz concretely ? 'i won't subscribe until this idjit shows how can actually afford to run working isp' is faircop. but am i even parsing mp_en_viaje's objection correctly ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what, exactly, do you want ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: actually 6 users at ~40usd ea. already put asciilifeform into profit. asciilifeform was paying >100 for sadhostings, and can finally stop.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'properly' == 'delivers what's printed on the box' and +ev so can be carried on in fact indefinitely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform arrived already at conclusion 'must run isp for rest of life', apparently is the only way to get proper isp is to physically build.
asciilifeform: ( already diana_coman requested rk. so must fill. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to point to missing pieces, lately have been occupied with the actual bringup of the physical plant.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i intend to run the cage indefinitely (will house own www also.) and properly.
asciilifeform: to continue in the spirit of 'fucking document the how-why' -- to asciilifeform , thoroughly battle-tested 'dulaps' are actually worth 1.5x of 'fresh' . the type of defects that occur in these, follow 'bathtub curve.'
asciilifeform: if no one can stomach such delay, what will happen is that asciilifeform bids on the iron auctions, and may go anyway at own expense to retrieve irons if wins .
asciilifeform: such boxes would be housed at colo rate.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to return to subj of boxen trapped in uy -- these can be transported for 500/ea ( asciilifeform goes with own hands ) and is +ev for so long as there are exactly 4 to be carried, and that they then to go in asciilifeform's rails. ( and at same time can retrieve all FG, incl. customer-owned, they can be mailed anywhere in world, but apparently uy has customs idjicy if mailed ~from~ uy.) this may be worth considering. all
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform cremations are carried out with thermite. )
asciilifeform: it is my current understanding, tho, that smg mandates cremation for all disks that it has used ; therefore disks must be owned by smg, and i'ma buy the exact type requested & invoice immediately.
asciilifeform: diana_coman & co can make this decision at leisure, after e.g. properly evaluating performance of rack ( and asciilifeform as rack gardener ) for the prev.-announced phree month of service.
asciilifeform: (however if new owner, then responsible for transportation cost, should new owner wish to move it later out of usa. and also for cost of any disk swaps.)
asciilifeform: also available for purchase is the actual, entire box, which i'ma value at 1k usd (not incl. of disks) . then will live at colo rate.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if diana_coman & mp_en_viaje would like to set up smgtron on 1 of the new boxen, plox to let asciilifeform know asap, so can purchase the desired type and qty of disks. there are 4, as before , disk rails in ea. 'dulap'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you already set up mirror on leased heathen box, i expect you'll keep it, will bridge interval b/w nao and when proper fgistic, human-built irons are operational.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 irons that absolutely must be retrieved, imho, is fg.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, i see it as unlikely (but afaik still possible) that the old boxen are worth picking up. which is wai i did not wait for output of 'what costs pick up' ; loading up on habitable irons already .
asciilifeform: there is a stockpile of emergency spare FG here. will install on request of mp_en_viaje , there is enuff for 3 boxen w/ paired sets.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: quickest way to put a smg box in asciilifeform's rack is to put to use the new 'dulaps' (due in at end of next wk). however you may find it +ev to get the piz boxen sent to england, this depends on exact outputs of BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i've purchased new boxen, because 'time is money' and not yet even known what costs removal. but potentially +ev to remove, req's data from BingoBoingo re carriers, customs shamanics.
asciilifeform: ^ above 500 also is only, obv, correct for irons going strictly to usa ; to send elsewhere, would cost moar , potentially -ev. main appeal of 'meat transport' is that could also cleanly move the FG crate.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's apparently customs nonsense threatening to get in the way. however ~absolute~ ceiling for removal cost is 500 per 1u (u.s. $) , asciilifeform can physically extract 100kg of iron for a ~2000 cost. ( this however would require 4 u worth of iron evacuation request, to be practical. ) BingoBoingo will say moar when wakes up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: concretely re irons -- BingoBoingo is getting quotes from carriers.
asciilifeform: ( which is why i suspect there will be at least 1 new (if smaller) auction . or >1, if, pessimistically, BingoBoingo runs for a spell on personal battery while searching for work )
asciilifeform: hen mod6 (maj holder) + asciilifeform (min holder) to decide re remaining piggy , how much, if any , to spend on suit (supposing latech not surrenders) ; then potentially evacuate BingoBoingo , unless he actually finds ecological niche in uy
asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm plan is to properly handle all evacuations ( data, afaik, evacuated, BingoBoingo uploaded gpg'd backups, yours is afaik done but BingoBoingo forgot to send me login to fetch it before went to sleep ) ; after this, publication of cost for evacuations of irons ; after this , auctions of jettisoned irons, liquidation ; then to pay mp_en_viaje , he is owed ; then BingoBoingo returns output re cost of action vs latech ; t
