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asciilifeform wakes up briefly
asciilifeform deadly tired, will process all queued i/o when wakes up. bbl
asciilifeform reads
asciilifeform will rewrite, after processing all barf from the experts. sorta what 1st draft is for.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho..
asciilifeform: evidently
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's strange, i was convinced ~errybody~ would flame re 'outlandish prices'
asciilifeform in fact still awake -- if not for much long
asciilifeform: nuts.
asciilifeform: lol, dafuq are they doing speaking eng
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you address'em in deutsch, so to instantly trigger lordosis ?
asciilifeform moar or less 100% able to eat written czech. spoken, diff matter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how's czechia ?
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform puts down the microphone, and goes to meat. bbl.
asciilifeform: ( full disclosure : this is not installed just yet )
asciilifeform: each will sit on individual rail clamp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'fingerwork' -- i've dismounted the rk's for the 1u earlier built for transport to piz , and they will live in a 'DIN' 2u subrack. so no moar finger gymnastics.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform-rk hosting is a 'turn-key' product, incl. gentooism, maintenance, debuggery as-req'd, etc
asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine
asciilifeform: 'toy' market.
asciilifeform: they also dun specify what happens when ssd croaks etc
asciilifeform: i dun like 'raspberries' tho.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funnily enuff the upstream provider colos (not leases) 'raspberries' for 10.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd like to keep prices 'as low as possible, but not lower'. heathendom offers much lower, theoretically, prices, than what is seen in this prospectus . and not erryone agrees ' asciilifeform's hands worth added 50/mo ', so keeping the greed to a min.
asciilifeform: and the purchase of spares.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe that i allotted 50/mo of catch-all overhead. this i expect will mostly go to maintenance of rk plant.
asciilifeform: i expect mp will have other, harsher crit, also.
asciilifeform: hence 'this document aint final'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indeed we did
asciilifeform: a 256G 'dulap' potentially could house ~128 users at similar ram apportionment (but only 8 if each were to be allotted 4 cores as present in rk.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is so. the current standard rk contains 2GB ram.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think you know, i had rk provisioning ~100% automated.
asciilifeform spent 4d nao thinking about 'how to price', 'what to price', and head hurts.
asciilifeform: so we'll defo want the provisions for it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for l2 n00bs can do shared hosting , per '1y phree' scheme suggested earlier by mp.
asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as for rk vs shared hosting, i actually prefer that folx live in rk, it is considerably easier to administer , each user gets actual physical machine where can do as he pleases.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not want to start right off the bat w/ explicit pipe rationing, because it in itself imposes some loss of total capacity. but the provisions for rationing are in place.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: shares-of-pipe are to be handled as described under 'physical space & energy' # III .
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: ( earlier was wondering, how the moldavian d00d charges 35eu per 1u. but diana_coman's bandwidth tests seem to suggest the answer.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is interesting that you think the margin is small. i was thinking it is rather fascist.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my other intention is to demonstrate that i can actually run a satisfactory ( to the standard of mp & co ) rack.
asciilifeform: (because of the very aggressively low price of the upsteam, this is imho practical.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions.
asciilifeform: ( the #s -- correct; but re the logic. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma stfu tho until mp has chance to comment, it seems likely that i made a coarse error of pilotage somewhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: certainly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i omitted discussion of shared hosting strictly because the provisions do not yet exist. but it should be simple to compute the cost of emplacing the necessary machine, via this draft.
asciilifeform: all prospective inhabitants , invited to comment.
asciilifeform: ^ a mechanized price estimator is included .
asciilifeform goes to fix the inescapable typos
asciilifeform: ^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung!
asciilifeform finally, posted draft.
asciilifeform: billymg: i've a rack, and about to post very pedantic analysis. so i dun need temp host, but ty.
asciilifeform writin' wwwistic calculator to go w/ the cost article.
asciilifeform: a++
asciilifeform polishing off the scientific cost analysis piece, but grr prolly wont finish until after mp_en_viaje asleep...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sente' among 'go' players.
asciilifeform: tru.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if this were in usa, would already smell of 6fig of 'expert witness' bill, that
asciilifeform pictures orc judge trying to unravel dkim etc hairball
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (again ianal) but afaik 'facts' are what the local apparatus decides were facts, an' not otherwise
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai would that necessarily hold in orcistans ?
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: then cannot make excuse 'oh, spamfilter ate.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you have a printer, may be worth sending same to their snail addr. notarized.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ianal -- but seems like admission of invalidity of contract. if they intend to persist in the claim to the oct-feb moneys, would then logically continue to sit on the irons, neh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, maybe 1% of it ( what was left trapped in that chest ? coupla rk ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947289 << irc protocol is dried chewing gum, imho difficult to make case that it 'was designed for' anyffin at all.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947275 << see also.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947300 << BingoBoingo was that an unconditional capitulation?! or attempt at himmler-style 'separate peace' ? plox to fill in.
asciilifeform meanwhile cooked up the spreadshits ; tonight after salt mine will write article re costs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: presently occupied with ^ .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that thing is on insulator pedestal, under it is a 3mm steel sliding plinth. the temp in the dc is a comfortable ~20C when i last measured. (surprisingly, very quiet vs latech's, they have civilized freon cooling, entire back lot fulla chiller towers. and, interestingly, coupla thou. litres of genuine pre-ban halon 1301 for fire suppression.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the move will involve ~30 seconds of down time, we will schedule it together prior to any movement.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box looks like this. it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails.
asciilifeform: i'ma carry out test where iron can be ruled out as limiting reactant, as soon as i get chance.
asciilifeform: on a good day i got ~2MB/s from dulap. (peak).
asciilifeform: diana_coman: didja ever make a note of what sorta throughput same item had at piz ?
asciilifeform: i'ma put in 'apu1' w/ primo samsung msata later this wk, for logger, will make it available for similar test.
asciilifeform: this appears to be rate-limited by rk ssd.
asciilifeform: 2.90 MB/s from my desk.
asciilifeform tests..
asciilifeform: danke schon diana_coman
asciilifeform: is this 1 publicly httpized on ossasepia.com ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: before you go back to these -- is there a large file i can wget-test with from here , in ossasepia ? i'm curious re whether oceanic pipe is limit, or the speed of the rk ssd
asciilifeform: i was curious of-what it was made tho.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: verily
asciilifeform still reading...
asciilifeform grabs that pcap
asciilifeform cannot help but respect some the hungarians, they fought like berserkers even after berlin fell
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform never did hungarian yet, but suspects it is pronounced jp-style, i.e. that megalith turns into what white man would think of as words.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re agglutinatives -- turks, jp, also, but they have human-sized words..
asciilifeform: item. (from asciilifeform's desk)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, but seems like there's an ancient never-flushed cache somewhere ?
asciilifeform: unrelated q for iptronix gurus : wai does traceroute to diana_coman's www , show a long-dead rubbish domain on last hop ? ( netsideproductions.com ) ? is this config issue somewhere ? (afaik harmless, but i'd like to know why it happens)
asciilifeform: then nm.