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asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re snsa, it was always yours to do with as you wanted, was structured in such a way (w/ the e.g. 'mpex fee' exponential growth) that asciilifeform was guaranteed never to see a bitcent from it. ( and knew this; worked w/ mp_en_viaje strictly outta principle. )
asciilifeform: to students.
asciilifeform remembers that mp_en_viaje dun read #o
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: might want to let diana_coman know, to 'stop follow the amateur exertions', she's been assigning e.g. 'v.py' as homework.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can persuade to read ? can then barf correctly. ( the #s dun lie, in fact show what intake can expect per subscriber, etc. ) even if you build own isp, the ~same mechanics will apply.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: didja barf before or after reading ( as promised ) 2nd ed of #s ?
asciilifeform: ohai mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: 'make me a can opener.' 'here's a can opener, mp' 'fuck you tard, where's the steel mill and coal, iron mines, to go with that!?'
asciilifeform: not many dc can even ~house~ 1000+. was mp also proposing to build a dc ?! ( if so, why specced 'rack' ? )
asciilifeform: would req literally 1000+ subscribers. ( are there even 1000 total ~people~ in l2 ? )
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform does not know how to build (and in usa no less!) an isp that reliably brings in, ~from l1/l2~, and on top of other expenses, the 1-1.5btc/mo that would be req'd to feed asciilifeform. and refuse to scam anyone into thinking that i know how. if ~this~ is hard requirement, then yes, asciilifeform oughta be drummed out.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw, afaik all of the iron that's actually on the books, with the exception of 4 very worn 256G ssd (~50 $ if were new) that i had BingoBoingo mail , is at piz. so you can liquidate even nao if you like.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why not detail what you had in mind, before we do the mutual -10 / declaring each other traitors thing.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948442 << i dunget: per mp's lights it was shoddy isp. but he wanted to buy it ?
asciilifeform: hm thought already 'washed out' in june ?
asciilifeform will bbl, deadly tired.
asciilifeform: ftr i do not in fact disagree with mp's 'expand the republic, you maggot' . but i also have a principled objection to selling things that dun physically exist, and rely on unknowns in order to come into existence. ( recall, i refused to offer FG for pre-order until it was in fact rolling off conveyor at factory.) hence i built multiphase rocket, that does not ~hard-depend~ on a rate of expansion in order to stay alive.
asciilifeform: a 3) 'expand the republic' presently takes more brain than i have, to offer concrete idea. but will write on the subj, as soon as i have half a clue (and ftr, imho sending spam is ~not~ a practical plan for expanding republic.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my focus to date has been 1) obtain and assemble the basic physical plant; 2) offer service to l1.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: presently i look among the l1. (unsurprisingly no one yet hurried to buy 20u or 2kwatt).
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i do not currently have a concrete scheme for 'expand l1, l2' that would rise to the level of a plan. (and i've permanently 0 interest in servicing heathens, i.e. those not in wot at all.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is strictly re the ~number~ of subscribers. if you were speaking of ~physical~ expansion, the plant could be doubled in size overnight if someone were to put in an order for such a thing.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of the expansion plans for which i have concrete #s, rather than 'wishes', are summarized. but 1st priorities are 1) service asciilifeform 2) service l1 (such that want in) followed by 3) all other forms of expansion.
asciilifeform finally fixed, i think, all the typos.
asciilifeform: ( warning : looong. and 3rd i expect will be longer. )
asciilifeform: 2nd draft of 'costs', for those interested, posted.
asciilifeform: hmm, feedbot wedged ?
asciilifeform: (among other things, full BOMs for the irons (as per mp_en_viaje's crit) are given in the article.)
asciilifeform still proofreading and correcting article, but the 2nd draft of price calculator, which includes all standard options for irons, is posted for those interested.
asciilifeform bbl, back to work
asciilifeform: there's a dock valet 24/7 tho, apparently.
asciilifeform: also anyffin that dun fit in a knapsack is decreed to go through the dock. which means ordering the crew to unlock the gates, takes 10min or so on top.
asciilifeform: never saw a theater like that, even in depths of usg.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so far my least favourite piece in the tea ceremony is the door locks -- there's 4 of'em and the 1st requires key, pw, finger, and... face. there's a hole into which face.
asciilifeform: tryin' various paths, maybe 1 faster.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's 5 lights and 'i90' in'ere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~6mi drive, here. takes 15-25min depending on the hour of day/night.
asciilifeform presently dun know why there is a limo, or for that matter the similarly painted apc. they normally live in the parking lot, and each eats 6 spaces... i assumed they were props, engineless. evidently not
asciilifeform: there's people there at all hrs, apparently. last time asciilifeform went to set up that box for mp, the liveried 'coloco' limo was in fact running and standing by front door, opened up, and driver was waiting for somebody...
asciilifeform has been getting acquainted, slowly, w/ the dc crew, incl. the night shift people
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to take asciilifeform approx same time to get to/from his rack as did for BingoBoingo to his
asciilifeform: i suspect even in other locations.
asciilifeform: irons, BingoBoingo , are the easiest part of all of this.
asciilifeform meanwhile took delivery of 40kg crate containing 2 'dulap'. won't touch'em tho until wrap up current article.
asciilifeform: *considerable
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless that pile actually occupies considerably space in your quarters, and you find yerself tripping over it -- just hold on to'em, you never know when need to tie a suitcase etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's prolly -ev to even spend 5min thinking about what to do w/ those.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they were the cheapest thing in there, right after screws and hoses, dun worry about'em.
asciilifeform recalls as a 3yo playing w/ grandfather's set of rubber stamps; no fewer than dozen, and in astonishing variety of shapes/sizes
asciilifeform: strong sovok flavour.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, anglo 'law' is ~100% this. ( and, as superset, mp's description. )
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, noticed this morning that (for 1st time?) all the trb noades known to asciilifeform , are properly synced )
asciilifeform expects to spend most of today writing, but following thread
asciilifeform bbl, to get some night air.
asciilifeform: piz died on asciilifeform's operating table, and its corpse aint even cold yet. that's what's in asciilifeform's '3ring'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, but mp_en_viaje is also right, i dun have a heavy-industry grade operation atm. possibly after successfully serving blog-grade rk's etc such as yours, for a while, can build 'tower of go-for-broke'.
asciilifeform: would rather read mp_en_viaje gripe about idiot dependencies than set up another titanic tho.
asciilifeform: the 2nd ed. of 'costs' piece is still on track for oct 27. but currently asciilifeform's conscience torments him, feels wrong to actually charge anyffin until i know whatthefuck it is that the upstream is worth. would like to persuade folx to test, like diana_coman .
asciilifeform: the trb's been keeping up better than any i've operated to date, but would be unscientific entirely to say that 3d of it mean anyffin.
asciilifeform: ( there's diana_coman , ersatz-dulap hosting http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log + bot, and a trb . )
asciilifeform: esp. given that there aint much load atm
asciilifeform: ^ too early to talk of 'unsinkable pipe' there
asciilifeform: !q uptime
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: for both.
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: even the baseline pipe, came with all sortsa fancy guarantees. i'd like to find what they're actually worth.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aite. but if you did, a mp_en_viaje mirror would be a++ test of pipe.
asciilifeform would offer to mp_en_viaje another pilot, w/ properly written instruction manuals, but sadly cannot yet, the 'dulap' crates aint here yet, grr
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: the diff b/w 'troo' and untroo is in ~heads~, not irons, imho. any idjit can buy spiffy-looking irons, classy fire extinguishers, other costume props.
asciilifeform: k.
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: fwiw i was entirely fooled by latech's dressing up as 'actual datacenter', so cannot say 'yes, indeed, this is surely it'. but fwiw very diff. picture than what saw there. (e.g. each of the 3 halls is fully 4+x the size of latech's 1, and inhabited mostly by actual comps, not old 'dell's stacked in a heap, tho at least 1 halfcab in fact contained those). only time/actual usage can tell the diff b/w sham and troo dc, afai
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: here, 3 halls, 1 packed, 2 ~half-full, none was anywhere as hot or loud as latech at the time i went there
asciilifeform: erryone here seems to offer same watt/m^3 density, i suspect comes from fire code.
asciilifeform: coloco -- standard usa 120
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: another ameri-dc oddity -- they dun seem to have a one standard voltage. the bmore people offered strictly 208v (where else in usa 208 ?!)
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: fwiw the place was comfortably cool, and, more unusually, quiet (i.e. could have conversation standing 2m apart)
asciilifeform: the sad dc i talked to earlier, was same. i suspect is how they meet thermal density spec.
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: they only do 10a per halfcab (i.e. 20 for full), apparently .
asciilifeform: asked about it, 'this was the prev fella's, take it'
asciilifeform: ( why 30amp plug, when 10amp feed ? no one knows )
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: also came w/ a pdu but with 1 of those 30amp ameriplugs (90 degree prong) and could not be plugged into the new meter'd pdu, had to mothball
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: interestingly, mine came w/ buncha square nuts but all for some peculiar/nonstandard screw, had to take'em all out.
asciilifeform wonders if they'll have the 'chutzpa' to 'hey, there were 14 m2 screws when you moved in and now there are 13!' etc
asciilifeform: congrats Bingoboingo
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/kotelna-36.jpg << holyfuq, 36u rackmounted chix
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, seems like they're on 'indian call center' level
asciilifeform: ah right, not for another 6d
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: it's pretty strange, at least by human standards ( usually dc tried to impound gear if it thinks yer in default )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-25#1948161 << it needs another fix on my end, is going on conveyor.
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: makes sense.
asciilifeform: imho it's 'cool' in only the sense e.g. halon system is 'cool'. i.e. when ~need~ and nuffin else will do. at all other times horror.
asciilifeform knows folx who use'em, but is strictly because they live in the middle of woods, or at sea, where 0 other choice but to suck thumb. no one actually ~likes~ sat modem
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm pretty much sold on 'aint no ddos, but only sad czechs' item.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: source.
asciilifeform: i.e. how at&t came about 100y prior.
asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs.
asciilifeform: ble network assets, customers, peering relationships and building access agreements for pennies on the dollar.'
asciilifeform: aand 'Although debuting at the height of the telecom industry, Cogent soon found vast market wealth eradicated and many other ISPs thrown into a state of turmoil. In a survival of the fittest competition, Cogent became the consolidator in a consolidating market. Over three brief years, Cogent completed 13 acquisitions of other flailing providers. Whether it was an entire company or just select assets, Cogent was able to acquire valua