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BingoBoingo: <
BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
decimation:
BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.
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BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.
TheNewDeal:
BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?
mircea_popescu: <
BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
mircea_popescu: <
BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
decimation:
BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses
bats_cd03: maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory,
BlueMeanie4?
decimation:
BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth
nubbins`: <+
BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.
nubbins`: <+
BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway.
BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
BingoBoingo: <
BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.
decimation:
BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?
mircea_popescu: <
BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand
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mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)
BingoBoingo:
BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify
BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify
BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
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mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing.
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mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.
BitMarmot:
BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.
BitMarmot: Thanks
BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute"
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have.
mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate
BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist.
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mircea_popescu:
BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology.
xmj:
BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant.
xmj: you know
BlueMeanie4