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asciilifeform: ( picture for a moment trying to sell a working airplane to cargocultists. 'what's petrol?' 'this thing is heavy' 'waitasec i have to learn to read?!' etc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't as if mr.t et al were using actual crypto themselves
asciilifeform: lol cryptographyspecialists
asciilifeform: ( other than the boojum -- the related-key attack for ecdsa. this you will have to invent. )
asciilifeform: who wants to attempt this sport -- i have posted the necessary ingredients above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can picture the reward, but also the butthurt
asciilifeform: ( who wants dorrendorf et al : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.329.5230&rep=rep1&type=pdf )
asciilifeform: (there is -- quite certainly -- no reseeding in the interval between his first couple blox at least )
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised that nobody's walked away with his pile yet.
asciilifeform: probably possible to set up a lattice
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is , however, that satoshi mined his blox like machine gun, in succession
asciilifeform: i shit thee not, microshit used 8 instances of rc4, seeded by cpu time, process indices, and a little bit of misc liquishit
asciilifeform: dorrendorf & gutterman reversed the latter in '07
asciilifeform: and whole shebang lives and dies by CryptGenRandom
asciilifeform: it corresponds to the historic turd found in https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/0d01d8a7359e311b461cd1b964ce90d0699c2a2f/crypto/ec/ec_key.c
asciilifeform: in other minor lulz, i reversed the EC_KEY_generate_key from satoshi's libeay32.dll (where he stuffed openssl)
asciilifeform: don't forget the elephant also, for her to ride.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: aaaaaaah
asciilifeform: to i-have-nfi-what
asciilifeform: mega-house, also.
asciilifeform: as a boy (after moving to usa) i once visited a house of a sikh d00d whom father was working for . he had entire room, shrine.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://archive.is/M8R9F << lulzgem re your tractors from earlier qntra
asciilifeform: complete with nehru
asciilifeform: phf: i had almost identical experience with emigre right here in usa!
asciilifeform: neato. would be interesting to hear what this consists of
asciilifeform: didja find yourself sought-out-and-retained, phf ?
asciilifeform: theoretically.
asciilifeform: aha, the worst indias actually look pretty good standing next to baltimore.
asciilifeform: well that's what i am wondering, if you're entirely 'not mp', then should be prepared to pay orbital prices for 'white man' terraforming ? or this is overly pessimistic, and the local won't (why not?) charge you a kind of ad hoc 'laffer curve' maximum they think you can bear without going broke ?
asciilifeform: phf: recall the thread with mircea_popescu re the traffic cops in some african shithole ? where millionaire 'i can pay whatever, fuck you' and the next day finds that the fines have grown six decimal places for him
asciilifeform: (the difference is that you don't normally ~need~ a mast there)
asciilifeform: this aspect doesn't differ much from usa
asciilifeform: in bazar?
asciilifeform: satellite relay for local prices..?
asciilifeform never been to india, but worked for many, many years with emigres
asciilifeform: (of this and whatever other type)
asciilifeform: as i picture it, a, e.g., mircea_popescu , would apply the only known pill: to create a kind of miniature british raj, where the locals know the consequences of misbehaviour ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. your generators will cost 10x what they do in usa, locals will make bank and laugh
asciilifeform: my current (by no stretch of the imagination expert) understanding is that if you try to build this entirely using money, you will simply get raped
asciilifeform: 'white man' would be : in that mansion, with coolie-powered air conditioning, and roquefort ad libitum.
asciilifeform: that ain't 'white man', that's 'live like american plankton'
asciilifeform: lol, spam center ?
asciilifeform: --- but as a british d00d in 1890s!!
asciilifeform: i'll admit, always wanted to live in india;
asciilifeform: lelz
asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform will probably not be buying the mansion next to phf's in india.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'd imagine -- not.
asciilifeform: ( can you get, say, roquefort ? or, more interestingly, what'll it cost to avoid http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#515574 funnel. ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: but i gotta wonder what the total cost of 'living like white man' might be there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623161 << this sounds pretty neat. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623154 << phf do you presently have with what to make die shot ? i do have a dead xl1201 cpu board here. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: lol is that the pili university?!
asciilifeform: yea
asciilifeform: it is interesting how much, imho, moar readable these are, than trb.
asciilifeform: same openssl tho.
asciilifeform: shinohai: yours is 'BitCoin v0.1.3 ALPHA' per the readme.
asciilifeform: then again noshit
asciilifeform: of shinohai's : 919504c2ed1fd687f26b8b91033466854fe295464ac281abd3d83456208922a60d2844edecd4e330d7b329c24c7772289e0d32620b6dc0b8bf772b36efae98bf
asciilifeform: sha512 of the exe i linked earlier : fa8f822c8f0d86f419ef94ffe80bdbfd4966169f4d3becec8b5cd4bf693ad11c1c8f91d3cfb74664cfc910a326f4bc799613847cf56aa12c3ff6124121626b6e
asciilifeform: shinohai: INTERESTINGLY the checksums do not match !!
asciilifeform: (my memory, apparently, was correct, he published a winturd along with 1st source)
asciilifeform: this seems to be the 1st public exe.
asciilifeform: 0.9.8h 28 May 2008.
asciilifeform: http://www.zorinaq.com/pub/bitcoin-0.1.0.rar << purports to be mirror.
asciilifeform: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html << exe evaporated, naturally
asciilifeform: esp. of the winblowz client .
asciilifeform: ^ if anybody has copy... write in plox ^
asciilifeform: iirc there was such a thing
asciilifeform: hm, now that i think of it, the question of 'against which openssl was it built' may be.. answerable. mircea_popescu : did satoshi ever distribute a binary ?
asciilifeform: evidently
asciilifeform: i guess 'looker', not talker, huh.
asciilifeform: !!up onlooker
asciilifeform wonders if anybody had ever built bitcoin against debianized openssl...
asciilifeform: !$ ssh 222.168.55.50 77.37.2.63 95.240.174.82 130.88.150.85
asciilifeform: i would get it, if i had where to put.
asciilifeform: btw speaking of ebay, for ~same price you can get working electron microscope, of recent make.
asciilifeform: iirc phf has the xl1201. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( which not only runs on x64, but offers some reversing, and without electron microscope, even )
asciilifeform: i lost more or less all interest in the physical machines after i got hold of the emulator.
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-XL1201-no-FPA-4-MW-memory-18-GB-SCSI-disk-19-in-monochrome-console-/112325366421?hash=item1a271d1295:g:g~4AAOSwXYtYsb-C << him, also, nao
asciilifeform: (though for some reason location is california, instead of virginia where he historically was found)
asciilifeform: and it's dks selling, looks like
asciilifeform: trinque: pretty typical price
asciilifeform: *specify this, which is called
asciilifeform: (specifically unlike ada, where you can explicitly specify what this is called, 'elaboration', procedures)
asciilifeform: in other very non-noose, cpp standard does not specify initialization order of static variables.
asciilifeform: in yet other lulz, 'dwave' no longer gets to monopolize snake oil market, https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/51740.wss
asciilifeform: in other cia lulz, https://www.academic-signature.org
asciilifeform: gpggram.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: ( ideally you would also have one to ben_vulpes , et al , avoid 'stars' )
asciilifeform: btw trinque lemme know if you'd like a 'wire' on dulap.
asciilifeform: fwiw i run my boxes with verifyall.
asciilifeform: so snip, snip the crapolade.
asciilifeform: but recall, i started by asking for 'the book' and for it to be as thin as reasonably possible (but not thinner..)
asciilifeform: plus/minus one useless routine, will make no difference, just like 7 bullet holes in head vs 8.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you have remote-execution 0day in the thing, you have a problem.
asciilifeform: but imho we are very, very far away from the 'verifying chain takes too long' problem, for this to be a burning issue