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sbp: if I were a member of the Guugu Yimithirr I could perform such cardinal sins more easily
sbp: I don't know why I wrote it in the style of a Klondike gold prospector era huckster salesman
asciilifeform: all i saw was a buncha-'vexual'-style salad and a link to a very trivial proggy that de-enumerates the bits.
asciilifeform: yeah i was also not able to make sense of it.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i mean http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-17716 specifically. what ?!
sbp: the code was trivial, but I decided to show it to asciilifeform to avoid duplication of effort
sbp: I know he just meant alert reader generally, but he did a previous post where one of our chatlogs was titled "the alert reader", and so I decided to take up the challenge anyway because I was curious as to what the encodings were—I wanted to understand how the seals were intended to be used
sbp: tried it in private to avoid spamming the channel, but I still get failed import
asciilifeform: and no i didn't hand-feed him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't know the fella at all, but he appears to read my www, that's all i know.
phf: maybe if i wrote it in ada, it'd be boing 747 on the first try
mircea_popescu: sbp i don't recall exactly ; possible tho.
phf: i would like to point out, that the log has been operational for whole two weeks, it's not quite up to standard of the incrementally constructed, 3 year tested, former b-a
sbp: I guess it's going to try to grab from pgp.mit.edu?
phf: there's an unrelated heisenbug, that i'm failing to fix, hold tight
sbp: okay, I have my GPG key exported. https://dpaste.de/fZPN/raw
sbp: I was perhaps disingenuous about ascii being the pertinent item. after all, as I say, I could do lexical scope without the ascii representation
asciilifeform: and i cannot link mircea_popescu to anything
asciilifeform: (i do not own any of the ancient and unobtainable xerox lispm iron)
asciilifeform: sbp: i don't recall it being sedit, but some msdos emulator thing called 'medley'
sbp: asciilifeform: how did you find SEdit? I have only spoken to one friend who used the Interlisp-D machine, and I don't think he said anything about SEdit
sbp: mircea_popescu: no, but I can generate one. I was going to say "easily", but you know what software is like
asciilifeform: sbp: i've played with the xerox structure editor
sbp: I was invited here by asciilifeform about an hour ago
sbp: greetings mircea_popescu! I am Sean B. Palmer, very pleased to meet you
sbp: you remember that Mitchell Wand proved that the theory of fexprs is trivial? i.e. that fexprs cannot actually be compiled, and they must therefore be runtime components
sbp: I mean I figured out how to make them compilable
sbp: but perhaps my favourite thing was that I managed to fix fexprs
sbp: I also fixed macros, created a previous unheard of macro system which is hygienic without being asinine like all current macro hygiene systems
sbp: I'm not sure I care awfully about the runtime constraint. ("two speeds" of a computer and all that)
sbp: what I realised was that when you couple scope to s-expressions in this way, it essentially becomes a system of runtime assertions in which you can model not only lexical AND dynamic scope—by choice!—but other kinds of hitherto unexplored scopes too
sbp: so I spent some time thinking about how scoping would work if *lexical* scope were bound to s-expressions and not the ascii representations of programs. because when you think about it, that's all that lexical scope is: it's an artefact of ascii representation, and I thought that perhaps this was not the lispy way
sbp: there isn't much about it on the web now. I think I found a single PDF describing it in detail!
sbp: also, I don't know if you remember, but the Interlisp-D machine had a program called SEdit
sbp: have you heard of Reverse Polish Lisp? it was a language for the HP-48 I think from 1987. the idea was that it was meant to combine some of the features of lisp, the high level stuff (as high level as they could squeeze into a late 1980s calculator) and the low level Mooreishness of Forth
sbp: only that, and to enquire about Phuctor. I have not contacted you again for precisely that reason: I abhor tedum too. I did get a copy of Kogge, and I did review it, and I did create various systems based on that. but none were to my liking so far
sbp: I'm the Alert Reader from Loper 1361. we don't know one another outside of that, sorry!
asciilifeform: sbp: did i miss the introduction ? who are you ?
sbp: I may have to endure citizenship just to save you from the ignominy of periodic bot commands
sbp: I hope it didn't exceed https://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/most-positive-bignum/
trinque: sbp: service guarantees citizenship, I thought it was
phf: so either cmucl or i have finally gone mad. (setq *connection* (irc-connect)) few lines later (error "~a" *connection*). error comes back as "NIL"
sbp: I'll forbear my Roman name for now, but perhaps the invocations will come to my fingers sooner or later
sbp: I apologise for not having a PGP presence, the baseline of citizenship
sbp: Nelson mentions that computer is a misnomer, and quoted Von Neumann as calling them all-purpose machines. I tracked that down potentially to https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rdm34/burks.pdf
asciilifeform: sbp: i recommend drinking less - srsly, it worked for some of the folks here...
asciilifeform: sbp: and ftr i'm fond of bernstein but not of ecc.
asciilifeform: i suppose usg mitmatron is written in java or sumthing.
asciilifeform: Apr 14 13:09:53 <trinque>what, you don't think the best and brightest work at the NSA, I mean the subcontractor for the NSA, I mean the sub-sub... << my current understanding is that 'best and brightest' don't actually work anywhere, they sit in arkakao and eat ice cream with mircea_popescu et al
asciilifeform: trinque: last night i learned that they have... ~women~ at nsa !
trinque: what, you don't think the best and brightest work at the NSA, I mean the subcontractor for the NSA, I mean the sub-sub...
asciilifeform: now perhaps i drank too much mircea_popescutroinium with breakfast today, but now i wonder how often the point of such a port scan is ~the scan per se~ rather than actual logical result thereof.
asciilifeform: i mention it now because, as far as i can tell, the error trinque's bot dies with is a result of undocumented and peculiar misprotocoling on server side.
trinque: it happened just as I tried to $up myself
asciilifeform: (i don't recall seeing any ssltronics in the src that was linked here)
asciilifeform: trinque: i find the ssl barfs interesting, where precisely do they come from in your thing ?
trinque: phf: I have not been collecting logs in postgresql because I thought you were going to handle it ☟︎
phf: i.e. n-bots connect and reconcile with each other before submitting shared answer to logotron. if i spread them across fleenode servers should account even for splits
phf: yeah, but the bot explicitly doesn't reconnect, because i don't want to lose messages and introduce continuity break. perhaps i should just do that as a "good enough" measure, but i want to just write a communicating-multi-bot setup over the weekend
asciilifeform: phf: i take it your box got disconnected by fleanode, like mine.
phf: i apologize for downed log, everything's operational, but my backup logs are on a secure machine, that i can't access from mobile. log will be back at 2pm EST
shinohai: I think I sent you the copy w/out source BingoBoingo sorry. Was early before I had sufficient coffee.
mircea_popescu: i think for some reason you got the idea that if mp gets phuctor server it's ok to come in, redefine it as "trb node" and move on.
davout: you have a point, i'll update the report accordingly
mircea_popescu: (i imagine you took out the house bet proceeds from liabilities because kakobrekla whined. characteristically for the "partnership" mentality, he forgot to mention this other part.)
mircea_popescu: so : it's true that i don't have to keep the proceeds. it is not however true they're free money.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?
davout: so that's basically, the sum of bets, the donations, the unhandled zeroconf proposal, minus the hot wallet i already have in hand
mircea_popescu: now im lost as to why the fuck i had a 199 figure which matches netiehr of these ;/
mircea_popescu: i see no value in using either 1040 or 841 value of unknown provenance.
davout: 'cash i have on hand'
mircea_popescu: davout meanwhile, accounting points out another snag. specifically, while it's correct that the proceeds of house bets go to shareholders ; it's incorrect that the bets themselves come out of thin air. the bitbet house bets were not a personal gift of mp to the bitbet shareholders, they were an expense undertook by said shareholders, which i generously (and perhaps ineptly) floated for them. so should be on liability side.
davout: mircea_popescu: re your comments, you took the previous hw numbers (i made a small mistake in accounting its amount)
ben_vulpes: the rare deadline about which i give a shit
mircea_popescu: i've been chuckling and smirking all morning ; their treat.
mircea_popescu: davout so i'm thinking this is all good. getting back to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448430 i guess we rectify it to i owe you 199.45006789, you owe me 4.83378422 hw credit + 50 for mpex shareholders + 15.00178846 my share (i'm taking it you'll be paying kakobrekla's directly ?) which leaves a net of 129.61449521. that right ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: davout ok, so going through third report : as to note 2-3, so you took out 2.15+0.67314231 = 2.82314231 out of liabilities seeing how the house needn't pay itself, i reckon ? this makes sense.
davout: ;;later tell trinque deedbot still chokes on trailing whitespace in OTPs, and from what i see the OTP comes with this trailing space when decrypted
punkman: yeah I got that memo after trying to get 720/1080p video running on 4-5 linux/android SBCs
ben_vulpes: hey i got it running on an old macbook pro
punkman: I'd like to believe that
asciilifeform: but perhaps one day i will visit mod6 and ben_vulpes and they might teach me to correctly dismember a boar into sausages.
asciilifeform: sadly, where i live, this is something only rich, or at least well-leisured folks, can access.
asciilifeform: i dun have any experience with preparing freshly caught carcass larger than a fish. but - unlike www stack - would enjoy learning this.
mod6: ok, so anyway, i'll ponder some things tonight and tomorrow, and we'll discuss more.
mircea_popescu: possibly best butchers i've ever seen.
mod6: i feel like i wanna learn how to butcher cattle.
mod6: i do clean my own phesants, about 50 per year. but thats easy, and a lot different than a large animal.
mircea_popescu: worst time i ever had hunting, we got a decent boar
mircea_popescu: not you, him. you, i can tell.
mod6: me? i've done a deer a few times
BingoBoingo: No, I have noes idears
asciilifeform: i have nothing against preparing phood
asciilifeform: these very same cranez will turn up,mi am quite certain, if i ever get near that wurk.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty confident, there is a crane outside of my office window, i look into the cabin every day.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't see him hunting and prepping any food.
mod6: i feel like alf could live like ted kaczynski in the woods just fine.
ben_vulpes: i really admire this nest of constraints you've put up, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: mod6 i have nfi, prolly part of what to discuss.
asciilifeform: i've thought about learning to operate a tower crane.