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Namjies: "some criticized
the plan as being impossible"
Namjies: "We'll proceed
this way, it works because" -> "This cannot possibly work because"
jurov: then i have
to retrace anf
think maybe it's not a fact, jsut assumption
smickles: anywah,
that's
the crux of
the debate
jurov: yes, i parse such sentence like
they're criticizing known fact
Namjies: Or criticize can simply mean you judged something
to be X based on what you see.
smickles: google says it's "Indicate
the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way", and fault as "An unattractive or unsatisfactory feature",
that sound
to me as if it was something
that is proven
Namjies: "some criticize smickles for being a douche"
The point is not proven but someone is criticizing you for it.
smickles: that would be "Some criticize Bitcoin, claiming it is a [[Ponzi scheme]].."
tho
Namjies: It just says some people
think it is a Ponzi.
smickles: it basically says, it's a ponzi, and some criticize it b/c of
that
smickles: I don't quite se how
that doesn't imply it is a ponzi
Namjies: No. But I know
that's not how
the general public would read it.
smickles: Namjies: do you
think
the original statement implied
that it actually is a ponzi?
Namjies: You have
to
think around
the limitations.
Namjies: As it's a relevant information
to
the fact (the "incident")
Namjies: So long as
that incident is big enough.
smickles: reputable institutions said
that someone heard it said
that...
Namjies: I said make sure your name is in
the news.
smickles: isn't
that part of
the point in haveing it removed?
Namjies: "Name has blocked bridge/shot people/other claiming
the President is a prostitute.
The incident... President's reaction..."
smickles: heh,
they don't usually give
the names of people saying baseless
things
Namjies: Yeah, well just make sure your name is in
the news as a crazy nutjob claiming
the president is a prostitute.
Azelphur: yea, wikipedia is meant
to be about facts :p
smickles: lol, Namjies
those refrences never said who accused it of being a ponzi
Azelphur: on
that basis I accuse
the US president of being a prostitute
Azelphur: Namjies:
that kind of
thing is stupid
to have on an article lol
smickles: and don't link
to a source saying
that people say it has been accused of being a ponzi
Namjies: That section didn't state if
that was right or no, just
that some people claimed so.
Azelphur: smickles: good
that it got removed
Namjies: Not really
the same area...
Namjies: Hah, much shorter
than my
TOS
Ukto: havent seen
the new list stuff yet
to make sure its
the same
Ukto: I have an asset list import system && claim system based on
the way info was presented
to Goat a few months ago
Ukto: I like
the community. heh
Ukto: I have been handling lots of btc for quite a few ppl for a while now, and am heavily invested, I dont plan
to run away anytime w/ anything.
Ukto: i hate all
the ppl who write all
the proper crap, and it
turns out
to be bs
Ukto: this is bitcoin. any
tos other
than
that is a lie
pigeons: ok, when i
tested it was under hashpower downain
Ukto: wouldnt want someone
to accidentally "donate" ;)
Ukto: its in
test mode, so no deposits, or withdraws atm
smickles: "long
time member of
the bitcoin community"
Ukto: all
the
tests have been great
Ukto: pigeons: well, I am about
to
turn my system on. gonna add api
trading
tonight/tomorrow.
smickles: Ukto: he claimed
to be going from largest
to smallest
pigeons: well ibb is also one of
the oldest still running
Ukto: I expected
to see some others before IBB
smickles: i mean, s2cm wasn't all
that big, but ibb was
tiny
Ukto: yeah, I was just noticing
that myself
Ukto: ahh,
thanks pigeons.
Namjies: no BTC-BOND/KRAKEN
thus far.
Ukto: know who else besides gigavps
that have received
the info?
Namjies: It's like even up
to
the last point, plenty of small step and suddenly... almost no orders
Namjies: Why are
those aggregated bid/asks cutting so abruptly into flat-tops?
kakobrekla: 20:02.11 ( @JohnnyM ) kakobrekla: plug me into
the matrix so you can download all
this knowledge into my head lol
kakobrekla: i started
to
talk about bitcoin on forex irc network
Namjies: Well if I ever need
to do something like
that, I'll inquire about it.
jurov: it *is* bad business practice.. let
the customer wait a month?
Namjies: OR considering
the fee
they
take on BTC
transactions,
they might not be interested
to convert USD
to CAD and get hit by conversion fees for someone withdrawing 100 CAD or so.
smickles: if
that's
the case,
they need a better bank
Namjies: They might not allow you
to have an account denomited in
that currency however.
Namjies: They'll let you buy
the currency, yes.
jurov: "beside
the point" i mean
they don't even mention bank wires or like
mircea_popescu: Namjies if you don't you have no business offering
this service.
Namjies: That's assuming you have a single account at a single bank offering balances in all
the currencies you want.
jurov: ofc, if
they're in
the same bank.. but
that's beside
the point for
this situation
smickles: don't you just ask
the bank
to exchane it?
mircea_popescu: it's instant, you just move
them from your own usd account
to your own cad account.
mircea_popescu: you don't wire funds from your usd
to your cad account.
jurov: and before all
they plainly say "no funds" so i guess no wire
transfer was even intended
Namjies: Yes, it would not
take a month. It would still not be instant.
Namjies: BECAUSE
they'd have
to
transfer from a USD account and wire funds
to
their CAD account...
jurov: Namjies, even if
they had some administrative issues
to move funds
to CAD acct, it's not possible it would
take a month
mircea_popescu: Namjies why are we discussing wires ? we're discussing exchanging usd
to cad or w/e
Namjies: I've never seen instant processing of wire
transfers.
mircea_popescu: now with cad, on
the
theory
that "nobody cares about cad"
mircea_popescu: first by
the entire dwolla bs, on
the grounds
that people know dwolla are assholla
mircea_popescu: basically
the only explanation i can see is
that
they are literally out of money
mircea_popescu: it
takes me longer
to authorise it
than it
takes
the bank
to execute it.
mircea_popescu: man seriously, it is five seconds, i just make
the order.
jurov: Namijes, did you saw
the
ticket date
there?
Namjies: Imagine I have a USD bank account and a CAD bank account. I have
to
transfer funds
to one another and wait a few days for conversion &
transfer
to happen.
Namjies: It wouldn't
take me 5 seconds.
mircea_popescu: do you know what it
takes
to pay back usd on an eur intake ?
smickles: you can buy usd, and
they pair you with a cad seller, and run
to
their bank
to get
the usd