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asciilifeform: i.e. one investor's 500k builds a co2 extractor; the other's 2m usd -- mysteriously evaporates without building much of anything
mircea_popescu: because that's what worthless money wants, most of all : to go back an' meet its maker.
asciilifeform: rright. nobody promised that the constraint mechanism would be same as in venice or king leopold's belgium. today it is in the turket vs vapour usd divide
mircea_popescu: the one thing the germans were clamoring for, interbellum, was "for a way to give all this useless paper back to the govt".
mircea_popescu: of course. but you have to understand, lots of imaginary money sloshing around.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
asciilifeform: i still suspect that folx who 'i'ma get in on ground floor and GetRich(tm)', a la ben_vulpes's friend, are misguided , because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044114 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i expect they'll get paid ; the pot lulz is not without financing.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:25 asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812954 << costa rica is introducing a lulz of al ltime tiered licensing system. the top tier is about 2mn in royalties. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally unsustainable, but hey, for while the "headcount is only count that matters" delusion holds, women wanna spawn.
mircea_popescu: rather. farm life is farm life, whadda ya want. waste effort on supporting too many children, pray the mongols don't come to merv you out.
asciilifeform: kolhoz did not happen because martians came, no. technological inevitability, like artillery.
mircea_popescu: epically more evident in period russia, where choice before every country bumpkin/ciolovek actually had to decide whether stay on farm or go join bandits. and, for that matter, the deep reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811354 is exactly that, german youth deserted the old woman "state" en masse, joined "the bandits". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: understand, mom will make paper copies of rifles for kiddy for only just as long as the soldiers pass in the street. once they're gone, once the immediate, obvious stimulus ceases, there's other things to do, so why don't you go make your bed.
mircea_popescu: but once the specific environment changed, once there isn't a cattle farming interest to join, well... why keep up the pretense.
mircea_popescu: lies breaking off family bonds to come serve them on hands and knees ; and churchgoing uppity "homely" (=ugly) women WANTED a bunch of retards to think "cowboy life is dangerous, dun take guns to town, stay on farm with the sow"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: might as well redrop the orig source for archival http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
a111: Logged on 2015-02-25 21:16 ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-25#1033675 << there we go. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, what is an almost purely tourist oriented economy? If it isn't a type of aquarium...
lobbes: 40+ yr case study right there in .uy huh?
BingoBoingo: And there are few "people" (cerdos humanos) more complacent than Uruguayos
mircea_popescu: certainly "beautiful ones" look better smoked than drunk.
lobbes: Though, I think mr p's "aquarium performance drug" theory is spot on re: pot. Encourages general complacency with less "action" than alcohol inspires.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside". << Uruguay is the FUTURE!!!
mircea_popescu: but it's been months, the cigars been piling up, eventually i turned off the supply... and well...
mircea_popescu: for two decades i've been smoking, maybe once or twice a week, or so.
mircea_popescu: you know i kinda lost that ?
asciilifeform: sorta like how when asciilifeform suggests to nicotine aficionados, to do it 'like the indians, erry 3-6mo.' they look like at martian
lobbes: asciilifeform: I posed the same "why not take tolerance break" q to them as well. They claim "doesn't work" but I suspect they simply didn't wait long enough
asciilifeform: there's a whole genre of these.
mircea_popescu: man this is great.
mircea_popescu: interviewed afterwards, as to how did he do it ?!
mircea_popescu: a very brave man once braved a horrible leg-cutting bear trap
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the very brave man, went through the horrible leg-cutting bear trap ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me simplify this for you : pot smokers are socialist. if their brain worked, pot'd be more of a concern, but as it is...
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik even heroin users have concept of 'knock down the dose', where they abstain for a spell. pot smokers -- not ?
mircea_popescu: but why bother the idiots with knowledge, let them "we've done the experiment and forgot to publish results" until they fall over.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, pot has a number of misfortunate qualities that interdict its large scale usage, which is why coca civilisation existed even, but not pot.
lobbes: I will note that some of the moar chronic (decade + of "smoke all day every day") $potusers I know can no longer get high off of the leaves; need the refined "dabs". >> (+asciilifeform) [16:31:35] which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
asciilifeform was slaving in a 'seekoority'-flavoured salt mine hell at the time, and remembers the switch, quite abrupt
mircea_popescu: but there's a fucking reason they're "concerned" about "russian spies" rather than chinese spies. "those aren't spies, dummy, those are the peopel dropping food pellets in. they should get a good show, put out!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure. and then again there's this pesky algae bloom of maga, and so on.
mircea_popescu: and this is why it started with waitresses and janitors, too. their job is to PRETEND like they're servants so the "upper" class can pretend it's upper.
asciilifeform: the aquarium model is imho spot-on, but with the detail that most of the usa inmates are not fish in the aquarium, but zooplankton, quite invisible to the owner and the fish alike
mircea_popescu: in this sense, pot is as much a performance drug as meth is for trucker.
mircea_popescu: as far as the zeks are concerned, their performance is purely performative : they're employed at the task of "being americans", so the chinese can take pictures of authentic.
mircea_popescu: of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside".
asciilifeform: unless notion is 'opiate for the masses', where 'neet' is herded into barns that are 'undendurable without pot'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall the piece. can't currently picture how it applies to pot tho -- it isn't 'performance dope'
mircea_popescu: turns out that pot mandate has extended past "the service industry" ie the white girl job (waitress) and the black guy job ("custodian", amirite ?) into the neet lands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you recall, incidentally, the trilema piece discussing the future ? the bit about how "if meth is legal, trucker MUST do meth, like it or not" ?
mircea_popescu: alcohol is sedative in quantity and uninhibitor in mini doses ; pot is sedative in mini doses and psychogenic in quantity. seems evidently the better deal.
asciilifeform: ( only problem, from pig-farm pov, being their 'munchies' but the corn people will take care... )
mircea_popescu: but that said -- seems almost a certainty that the pothead is preferable to the drunk, from the socialist nigger's perspective.
mircea_popescu: (there are no $1000 bottles, either, it's not THAT bad. unless for purely historical reasons, "this is the bottle marie antoinette vaginally inserted" etc)
mircea_popescu: note that there's no veuve cliquot securities, notwithstanding that is a genuinely and on its own merits $50 bottle.
asciilifeform: which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
mircea_popescu: now FRUIT alcohol, ie, the $200 bottle of wine, THAT exists. but it's also so finnicky to actually make as to justify the price.
mircea_popescu: the $200 bottle of whiskey is a product of the EXACT same process as "i have a bf, why would i be your slave" patriotism. there is no whiskey extant today, ever existent in history or ever to be devises worth more than $2 a galon. for the very simple and strictly unassailable reason that grain alcohol is one step above wood alcohol, and approximately equal to gasoline.
asciilifeform: old crop of lizards preferred the drunken man; perhaps new crop -- prefers the 'pothead' as the ideal 'new sov^H^H^H^american man'..
asciilifeform: the demise of the horse, i suspect, seemed equally improbable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot comment on the probability. only re the possibility ( it seems -- possible. )
mircea_popescu: ie, we're still comparing mud pies to the washington monument.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, entirely improbable. alcohol ~is even the reason america exists~, i'll point out ; the driver for slave trade was sugar cane not cotton, historically, and so on.
asciilifeform: they were rubbish when they first hit conveyor, and are rubbish now; good for intended purpose for maybe a year or 2 when new
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit, is that 'good' lithium-ion cell is a mythical unicorn
BingoBoingo: Why sell good cells to vapists?
asciilifeform: ( and yes it's the ~only hardware-store solvent that ~works for the purpose )
BingoBoingo: The regular exploding is more the lithium ion batteries
asciilifeform: hence the pantsuit coverage.
BingoBoingo: Might be related to the strong non-polarity of stuff they want as a focus. Could be part kitchen lab, could be the butane has a favorable bias as a solvent.
asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm. ☟︎
asciilifeform: because not so far removed from the kitchen lab, at the moment.
asciilifeform: well yes, currently they do
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per pantsuitist media reports the Hashoilis use butane.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:52 ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812886 << in actual industry ( as opposed to garage dope kitchen ) essential oils are extracted with supercritical co2, rather than petrochem ( i expected that ben_vulpes would know this ) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I would estimate when I left old country that in my area ~25% of nicotine users had transtioned to the vapes for the majority of their nicotine ingestion
asciilifeform: ( i.e. some folx will pick it up, but no visible dent on traditional tobacco market )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect it will be same dynamic as with the battery-powered nicotine thing
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812934 << Rather soon after Colorado legalized "dabbing" started to become a thing. Folks vaporize distilled oils with LIon powered pocket exploders. Pantsuitist market this a "healthier and safer" than smoking ☝︎
asciilifeform: and by extension, for instance, rng ( witness the lack of excitement among heathens in re fg, for instance : 'expensive, and what exactly does this do that my intel doesn't')
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/pantsuit-media-tries-to-dethrone-woke-voice-of-a-generation-kanye-west-with-forced-meme/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Media Tries To Dethrone #WOKE Voice of a Generation Kanye West With Forced Meme
asciilifeform: observe that crypto is ~still~ the quintessential lemon market.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:53 mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812888 << tools that ~don'twork , end up unimportant, as they are 'routed around' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:10 ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: there's an aesthetic component to the habit, in addition to the merely pharmacological.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:05 ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: that being said, afaik folx-with-money in usa prefer whiskey bottle, rather than 'joint' ; but this could change, already recent piles of printolade are distributed in the west, to 'joint' folx, in preference of east cost whiskeyists.
asciilifeform: there's a sufficiently heavy admixture of veblenism , to make engineer-style pronouncement of 'of course you need three acres and three years, and nobody's making more acres or more years' -- questionable
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:22 mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812870 << continuing with this, observe that obtaining alcohol is considerably simpler than prime pig or even 'californirast grade' pot ; and yet there is such a thing as a 200 $ bottle of whiskey ☝︎