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phf: oh i remember kingtaco, he's gentoo old timer
phf: i didn't realize this thing eats ssh too
mircea_popescu: i would think this is definitionally lame, "o hey check out my pgp key with the cool domain and the shitty exponent".
mircea_popescu: in other phuctor news (omfg this site is like perpetual xmas tree, i keep going there for presents multiple times a day), what the fuck is with all the ssh keys with exponent = 35
BingoBoingo: davout: I'll unfuck it
shinohai: I know I'm ocd about such things, I chided mod6 about foundation site earlier this week.
copumpkin: and ipod touch, I guess
copumpkin: I won't need cryptographic proof to publicly shame you after all!!
asciilifeform: aha everyone i think knows this story
mircea_popescu: Pirate: How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor."
asciilifeform: somehow i recall the thread where mircea_popescu explained 'caught thief's justifications'
phf: "femke, my fellow biking aficionado, i built a motorized bike but the kicker, nobody can tell you're using one. say, you want to borrow it for a few weeks? say put it in your fleet of racing bikes?"
phf: "man, i'm ~killing~ it today, say, did i accidentally grab my buddies motorized bike??? naaawww"
asciilifeform: i always thought it was peculiar that the bike folk get to use own machines
asciilifeform: in others, it was based on clinometer, i think
asciilifeform: they are made in switzerland. i had just such a motor in the 'tecan' robot.
asciilifeform: it is, i think, a 'maxon'
asciilifeform: i recognized the motor immediately from the photo
mircea_popescu: yeah i ditched them a while back
asciilifeform: and i put in, believe it, a a-record update
asciilifeform: i actually wanted phuctor.nosuchlabs.com ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i guess he got canned for his prime critical failure.
mircea_popescu: i'm going to write to him
mircea_popescu: ah i c
asciilifeform: plan is i revv up the engine some time late tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we publish it when we're done.
asciilifeform: it is impractically large, i thought about regenning it weekly and putting up torrent perhaps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i prolly oughta implement paged views.
mircea_popescu: i find it particularly concerning that at the one point in history science fiction need not to any degree and in any sense mean future
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm fuckign thankful the obedient horde country collapses already.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly hoiw all the shit we use now was written i nthe first fucking place.
mircea_popescu: "but those fucking hurt" "fuck you, evil guy" "but i need them for dentistry, for uterine retraction, for" "FUCK YOU!!!!"
mircea_popescu: this argument is rapidly collapsing into a "these damned dentists moved from using fireplace tools to actual dentist's chairs, and i won't have one at home and i won't ever be able to have teeth or chew now"
asciilifeform: so i would like to see mircea_popescu actually sneak something into a mil+ items production line
asciilifeform: ok this is the part where i'm lost
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that the mpstation is 500 and the just-as-good shitstation is 19.95
asciilifeform: i get this.
mircea_popescu: then, i will.
asciilifeform: i don't care what the enemy bakes for own use
trinque: so then, perhaps *I* own a computer and he may use it via gossipd if he doesn't piss me off
asciilifeform: i had 8086 in su, and, funnily, 6510 here.
trinque: my brother's 18; I have him on devuan on an old box
mircea_popescu: uh. no, i lived in romania.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because on that planet i would not have learned to computer and would not be speaking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about this for a second. so ms makes its windows key ; and i make my short run mp key. why not ?
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc i described it.
trinque: I'd put one at the edge of my network and never look back
trinque: I'd love for that thing to be on entirely *specific* hardware that does only that, perfectly
trinque: yep, I was wondering at whether those were conflated
asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference at work between situation 1. "i'll explain what he did AND I KNOW he'll apologize" and 2. "i won't even explain because i know he won't even understand".
mircea_popescu: why, i don't fuck fatties, to fall in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only gas mask i use is a condom.
mircea_popescu: so THIS is perhaps the strongest argument i see against my earlier position.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have worked with winblowz refugees
mircea_popescu: no but i don't say to disparage. i say to explain. for him, this makes sense.
asciilifeform: but i did not complain.
asciilifeform: i never actually before or since used any sql !
mircea_popescu: they ACTUALLY are "well i can't tHI?NK about this bs!"
mircea_popescu: imagine that, he found bugs in my fucking client, and i mean that plural. yet... in the end... he can't work with it because he's from windows, and the requirements that puts on him are not merely "well you gotta convert to sql for mysql"
asciilifeform: i never asked for computer we can have 10 billion of.
asciilifeform: this, i think, is beyond dispute.
asciilifeform: i'm not interested in pashtun 'thought'.
asciilifeform: i see programmable comp as a cornerstone of thinking man, same as clean sheets of paper and pen
mircea_popescu: now hush about all this and go make me actual homomorphic encryption so i can compute platform-independent.
asciilifeform: but to see precisely what i meant, and i worked for years to rigorously define it,
asciilifeform: phf: which is why i said 'own soft with same privilege'
phf: well, in that case i'm just sad that things have to die
phf: i think my lament is that the possibility space is closing, the kind of substrate that allows for a global optimization problem like "pirated movies" to resolve is being gradually eliminated in a counter optimization. i'm warning a potential collapse, mp's arguing that the space is always open
phf: but i'm not attributing any agency to the republic, i'm observing and commenting on a tendency
mircea_popescu: people in the empire are dumb enough to buy, TO BUY, for MONEY, "copy protection" that i can take out with a magic marker. you grok this ?
mircea_popescu: phf that's still not the level of discussion here. yes i'm not entirely blockheaded, i understand THAT angle of it. the point is the other angle however. take all the drm adventures : in spite of all the effort AND proprietary hardware, i can still get any film i want
phf: mircea_popescu: it's the strategic superiority article's position is what i'm saying. you can rig up ipad to do crypto for you, as long as you shield it in a bunker, install some toy language environment on it and spend some time writing rsa algo in that
mircea_popescu: as i say : games horridru example for this closed markets thing.
mircea_popescu: yes, will say to you. and i'm thankful for it, less crud to compete with. it'll be either buy microsoft fly sim or eulora. hurrr.
mircea_popescu: why'd i take home ?
mircea_popescu: she cooks you a meal like she does every day, i happen to be in town, come by and eat it, you come home and oops, she forgot this time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if i, unlike you, that enjoys people, knows for a fact that any item the government nominally owns is mine for the taking ?
mircea_popescu: and by we in this case i mean to include any and all enemies, too.
mircea_popescu: phf i insist on this point to impress upon the more decisive elements exactly how weak a basis for discernment we actually have.
phf: so at this point when i or ascii talk about general purpose, it is in terms of negative, a doomed attempt to undo past 20 years to continue r&d that was killed
mircea_popescu: and the problems with "roughly, means 'machine where you can implement new crypto', for mircea_popescu's purposes" should be obvious to someone who astutely points out that there's no math proof for crypto. the same thinking that works there works here, it does not follow i need computers redditard can buy to exist in order for to have crypto.
phf: well, we don't have a definition, i don't think "we" have ever arrived at a point where definition can be provided. what constitutes a general purpose computer, which are necessary/unnecessary parts. i'm reading 80s vlsi papers and it's all up in the air. should there be math coprocessor or bake it right into cpu, etc. etc. and then you have a "microcomputer revolution", when bill/steve start selling this shit to masses
mircea_popescu: i tell you honestly if i were to go on a mountaintop now, IF i considered taking a computer AT ALL
phf: sure, i don't myself grok the cause. i'm more saying that 80s general purpose computer is a time and place kind of phenomenon
mircea_popescu: phf i disagree.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i was too dumb to do much with the machine. such is life.
phf: i'm saying that 80s general purpose computers existed because of wide open possibility space. "let's built this generic computron" "alan turing" all that
phf: sure, and you can tell that to americans in the audience, but that's not the issue i'm talking about
phf: so i couldn't care less
phf: i had computer access back when they were extremely expensive one of a kind devices
mircea_popescu: but if i were somehow persuaded to care - frankly i'm inclined to believe making computers cow-accessible was a horrible fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: i can see why it's in the geek ethos. i can't see why i should care.
mircea_popescu: appreciate, i had a computer EVEN WHEN it was ~5k DM and the going rate was half-and-half for 5. and i'm sure that at some point between then and now, some poor black kid in the sticks somewhere wanted a computer only to hear "da fuck ya want dat witey shit fo boe!" from his momma and get to play casino gems on her knockoff smartphone instead.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't see how that is different from, "you buy fruit juicer, you can't play dos games on it". yes ?
mircea_popescu: phf i meant something specific : how can a "mode" be "replaced". sounds to me (prolly proof of my ignorance) like "blue colors have been deprecated in irssi". dude... what ? it's my fucking config file.
shinohai: Got a template you can send me or something? I've just been writing everything in vi
asciilifeform: and yes, some of it also runs under 'linux' - see the excellent example of the samsung chromebook, which i bought some years ago and tried to civilize
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 04:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455101 << i have a difficult to explain and perhaps dubious proof as to why this imagined future is not a possible future.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc. ☝︎