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mircea_popescu: lifetimes have been spent chasing
the magic dust of "but why
this be", so it can stay a black box for nao, it's just yet another strange property of
the universe surroundant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
the merit of
the shared unix is its cheapness. it's generally
the experience of businessmen
than orgs selling cheap items can be upgraded
to also sell more expensive items ; while
the reverse rarely works irl.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 06:25 mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway,
to answer some angle of
the question asked, rather
than "the question read between
the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash
to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is.
the fact
that you
two are committed
to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:56 mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around
the fact
that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and
the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as
things stand is
to give you some other excuse
to not get sales going.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:53 mod6: Hm? I
think
that's what we're just
trying
to figure out.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:51 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on
the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put
this
together:
http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls
to eyeball
mircea_popescu: ave1, well, some people are apparently reading
trilema...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 16:07 mircea_popescu: oh ? hm. i
thought
that was ave1 lol.
ave1: i
thought
that one was a copy paste, but my dyslexia played up again
ave1: now
to find
the right one
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:36 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814223 << ave1 can we dispense with building
the 'builds dynamic
turds, so demands musl on system elsewhere' rubbish ? it is useless. let's stick
to useful compiler,
that works on any box with matching architecture
ave1: As
to
this:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814283. This is all a matter of
the specsfile apparently. Now I can do a dumpspec and sed script
to make it always do statics, or I can change
the source-code
that has references
to shared/static dispersed over C and H file in
the gcc/config/ directory.
This will
take some
time
to get right (if
the first approach works
then I know what
to do for
the second).
This will
take some days
☝︎ ben_vulpes: anyways, keep highlighting where you
think i'm dropping
the ball and i'll work
to not.
ben_vulpes: and yeah, it's school. we don't have
those where i come from, so i have a lot of work
to do.
mircea_popescu: nobody's yet, or ever, drumming anybody out for not doing a good job.
the drums start drumming only if you stick
to not doing a good job.
ben_vulpes: i don't come here
to not be disliked, i come and work because it's challenging,
the people here make me
think and work hard and don't soft-pedal critiques, and because
there's no other ideological island out
there
that wouldn't be exile after
the past four years.
mircea_popescu: performing poorly in public is a great fucking boon.
that's what school is, basically.
ben_vulpes: republic even
the
tiniest shittiest beachhead,
ben_vulpes: look my greatest reservation in even
taking
this gig was
that i've not really
the know-how, and would be performing poorly in public
the whole while.
the much-maligned "learning on
the job", not
that i want in
the slightest
to 'fake it
till i make it'.
that by
trying, i was more likely
to get drummed out of
the whole party for not doing a good job. and
that's a cost i'm willing pay, i guess, if it builds
the
mod6: I better get some zzzs. We can pick it back up
tomorrow.
mod6: Yeah,
the commitment is
there.
mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway,
to answer some angle of
the question asked, rather
than "the question read between
the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash
to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is.
the fact
that you
two are committed
to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just, shoot in
the direction of
the
target, not in
the direction of
the general room.
mircea_popescu: they'll replace you in good
time, which is
to say if
they have
to pour more money in at
the earliest. but
that day's not yet upon you, and until it is, might as well give it your best shot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's not
that i dislike you or anything ; but you gotta understand
there's
two views
to any phenomena, id est subjective and objective. from
the objective view you look bad. it's not
the end of
the world, but rather a very valuable signal.
mod6: We just need
to keep pressing, not a moment
to lose, as mircea_popescu keeps reminding us.
mod6: I
think ben_vulpes is doing a very good job with all
that he has coming at him, BingoBoingo and asciilifeform
too. I don't want
to replace anyone.
Time is a luxury
that we don't have. However, for a moment, if we step back and look at what we've accomplished so far, I
think it's something
to be proud of.
mod6: We gotta get
that going, mircea_popescu worries for us. I know he wants
to see
this succeed.
mod6: We have a variety of urgent matters
to address. As soon as we get
the additional money in place, we can get
the new rockchips going. Give BingoBoingo a raise (& new digs?).
mod6: If I may, I
think
there's always room for improvement, and such critiques are good, help us
to get better.
ben_vulpes: i'm listening
to your critiques and working
to address
them directly. if i'm such a drag, mod6 and asciilifeform should probably replace me
ben_vulpes: selling
themselves more equity or not, i'm going
to bring up paying BingoBoingo more since
that's a pretty important point.
ben_vulpes: seems pretty obvious
to me
that i'm barely keeping my nose above water with just
the mechanics of pushing
this along. mod6 wants
to
talk about putting more money in,
that's his perogative. i'm assuaging BingoBoingo on bus factor of maintaining
the shared server
tonight and
trying
to make sense of
the web hosting forums
to filter
them per yesterday's chat. once mod6 and asciilifeform make a decision about
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you're working all
this out in your skull, but so far you're being a liability rather
than an asset. why isn't
this obvious ?
mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around
the fact
that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and
the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as
things stand is
to give you some other excuse
to not get sales going.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, let me
tell you some
things. a while ago you got
these doods into a miserable situation
they don't know how
to extract
themselves from, by ending up with 10x
the warrants bingoboingo got. last i checked
the dood actually moved down
there.
mod6: ah, yeah. Just
trying
to sort out
the finer points I believe.
mod6: Hm? I
think
that's what we're just
trying
to figure out.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: so agree
that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ;
then pizarro has all
the backing it needs and a clear path
to success. and if
the circumstances "merit" in
the sense
that it needs rescuing rather
than it's expanding, you can fire
the management and get someone else or w/e.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Ok good deal
there.
mircea_popescu: and yes, pizarro can issue bonds in general. who buys
them depends on who pizarro wants
to sell
them
to.
mircea_popescu: mod6,
technically you don't have stock as you're not listed ; but yes, you'd own whatever % regardless.
mod6: If my scenario, or anything is not clear, just say, will
try
to formalize better. I
think it may be more agreeable if asciilifeform and mod6 hold
the same mount of stock. Alternatively, both of us could just
take convertable bonds.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a clear picture of how pricing
these would work either. part of my concern with bonds is
that for a largely fiat denominated operation, interest on a btc loan can murder you if
the fiat/btc rate goes up significantly, and fiat incomes stay
the same.
ben_vulpes: i'd prefer
to have a bond mechanism in place.
mod6: This is something
that would be figured out at some later date (the conversion rate). However, can Pizarro issue bonds just
to me? Or does
there need
to be a
tranche of
them offered otherwise?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 18:01 ben_vulpes: for a convertible note like
that, how'd you go about setting
the conversion rate? lots of yelling?
mod6: For instance, let us use a scenario such as: asciilifeform puts in X BTC, mod6 matches alf's X BTC (where X <= 5), can
this be created as stock
then? In
this scenario 500`000 shares would be assigned
to alf & mod6 alike. In
the circumstance I would put in (10 - X) more BTC,
this could be assigned
to me as "convertable bonds". I've been revisiting our conversation from a while back on
the Pricing of Capita
mod6: Have been
thinking about
the refinancing, revisiting some old logs. Wondering if mircea_popescu would be willing
to educate me a bit, and entertain a few possible scenarios.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. we burned some sort of local cedar or something, i have nfi what it is, but i smelled delicious in
the shower. and
there's someone sniffing my shirt from
the laundry basket.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, holy shit, so i was on
the beach where we ran into
this very bubbly florida chick
there for "a women's empowerment seminar", which i
thought was bizarre.
mircea_popescu: the only reason is most rather
than all is because pimps are lazy and disorganized. cattle ranchers, all.
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ?! most pimps brand
the hos, wtf.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how she figured
that out, but i suppose i actually do huh.
esthlos: ^^ please check out
the prerelease
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
Tracking information updated. Looks like a
trip in la lata miserable will be avoided
PeterL: Just got a new computer at work,
testing
things out. (they upgraded us all
to Winblows 10, horay! bleh)
BingoBoingo: After
the rest of
today's business will probably hacer a blogpoast on
the subject
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
ty. If
there's a way
to avoid
transit in
the
tin can of sadness, it is appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
ty. I'll plan
to get on
the bus Friday. In
the interim if you could send keepalive/IRunhappy packets
to AES/DHL, just
to see if
the package could appear without getting on
the
tin can of misery it would be appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And are
there reciepts or anything beyond
the
tracking page and demand letter?
These people are big on invoices and I lack one.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, hey, you got 8 hours every day
to fit it in.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how are you going
to learn how
to do it but by doing it
mircea_popescu: incide4ntally, is
the samsung item availavble locally ? "no oem" may have
the counter-property
that "same price everywhere"
BingoBoingo: Not yet, I'm not
thrilled with
the prospect of a 3-4 hour minimum airport adventure
trying
to argue
the finer points of a pre-paid customs program I am unfamiliar with. Have you
tried
twisting
the nipple of
the prepaid customs folks yet? Escalating
the DHL
thing?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, perhaps should organize a carrying of various spare odds and ends such as a dc must have on hand but
the orcs do not : assorted cables, spare hdds / cards etc.
BingoBoingo: I have heard nothing. Did you simply mail
them
the scan, or did you accompany it with: With respect
to [tracking number] here is
the requested document. Considering [whatever prepaid customs program, and Amazon order #], I am confused as
to why
this parcel has not been delivered.
BingoBoingo: Exchange rates are on BIG signs in
the windows of cambios in every corner, and yet
the common perception is
the peso Argentino is "worth more"
than
the peso Uruguayo
mircea_popescu: and i bet you
they're still pompously going about buenos aires, buying socks on credit and acting like renting
their hovels is anything but an act of grace such
that you get
the wife/daugthers every night you feel like.