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BingoBoingo: It's
the flyer
the government produces as gringo bait
ben_vulpes: i
think
the liquidity is handled but i'll keep
that in mind
BingoBoingo: If you are looking for a
temporary liquidity source
though, have you considered pete_dushenski? He might be interested in
the opportunity
to buy BTC from Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: cedula gets you ability
to open corporate bank accounts, i hope? << I would help with
this. Doing it with
the US Passport would have negated having a corp.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Here's
the flyer
the government publishes on
the
types of structures available here. www.uruguayxxi.gub.uy/guide/descargas/Set%20up%20a%20company.pdf
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: cedula gets you ability
to open corporate bank accounts, i hope?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: looks like
the uy corp is necessary for ips for
the rockchips at
the very least; and possibly recipient of wires from btc sales
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I will
try
to extract some updated numbers.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you know what
the costs for establishing
this corp in uy are? asciilifeform you still need another
trip
to .ro
to finalize your corp?
BingoBoingo: Something
that can hold an IP block assignment and DC contract at least, if you want
to use something else for
the BTC/fiat conduit
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> and i recall
that
the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is
to get
the liability for
the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct? <<
This and getting a BTC/USD conduit, and proceeding
to get IPs straight from
the regional registry
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it is. Granted it would
take at least 3 continuous weeks in country, substantially more standing in line
ben_vulpes: and i recall
that
the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is
to get
the liability for
the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so wait,
these are separate items ? <<
They are,
to get
the cedula you have
to start
the residency process, but it doesn't need
to be compeltely decided upon.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: A UY corp would be an actual corp. What I have now, as discussed previously is a unipersonal, essentially I am a registered person doing business.
This means what I do as
the Unipersonal is all personal liability. Corps can receive all kinds of incoming
transactions
that aren't necessarily "income".
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: won't a second uy corp just incur more
taxes, and
then more more
taxes when it exceeds
the low
tax regime hole?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A decision on residence requires 6-12 months.
The cedula itself can be done faster, now
that I know everyone around me in
this country is an idiot.
BingoBoingo: With
the lessons learned on
the way
to my UY cedula, we can probably condense
the next fellow's ordeal down
to 3-ish weeks.
ben_vulpes: no, scans not a great idea. i would like
to know what line over which blows you out of
the low
tax regime, some 20kusd per year do i recall correctly?
BingoBoingo: put some of my idle
time into compiling reports on Pizarro's options for accomplishing certain goals (getting a UY corp, etc) I can do
that. I need clarity of instructions.
BingoBoingo: As many contracts etc
that we have sitting in my personal name, I am wary of
the bus factor (either getting hit by or brain irrecoverably eggog'ing inside of). I have serious reservations for a plan
that involves sending scans of my personal non-US identity document
to allow someone sitting inside
the empire
to play
trader, if
that is what
the request is for. I apologize if
this is an uncharitable reading, but if you want me
to instead
BingoBoingo: I can prepare reports on
the local corporate options, and from what I understand asciilifeform is working on a corporate conduit for
this sort of
transaction as well.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> speaking of, BingoBoingo, now
that you have
the cedula, are you approaching
the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account? << BTC
to bank wire can be done, for some amounts it can be done now.
The concern is blowing up
the current low
tax regime my current unipersonal is sitting in. I would like more clarity on a plan for doing
this other
than "[ben_vulpes] can buy usd for wire into "BingoBoingo's]
ben_vulpes: speaking of, BingoBoingo, now
that you have
the cedula, are you approaching
the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently
than
this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking,
think bb is a person, at least not in
the same sense /
to
the same degree I am" ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: so, how did your reasoning go
that produced 100k hither, 10k
thither ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, in other nominalist lulz,
there existed in antiquity a she by
the name "hind bint". find
thee what she occupied herself with :D
mircea_popescu: colonialism is bad mkay and jewing got
the jews burneds so let's never ever fucking do anything ever again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because "white man" aka esltard won't learn fucking languages, or leave "the country" ie zone. and when he does, he
takes care
to first arm self with such impenetrable armor of shit-for-brains as
to practically make no possible difference
to anyone.
mircea_popescu: this is a common item by any definition, in
the sense of "consumable".
mircea_popescu: the failure of
the us means you can get mechanical but not electronical parts is all.
mircea_popescu: the byproducs of industry are always available -- but only
to people in
the
town where industry is.
mircea_popescu: didn't you end up with all sorts of industrial gear, on
the cheap ? and what did you say about it, "not in jungle", yes ?
mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china,
to dissolve exactly
this sort of "only seems
to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons
to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by
the red skins, nor from inside
the reservation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, isn't
this what goes into eg digicams ?
mircea_popescu: if
there can even be such a
thing as a goal of human existence, "do not have
the problems of
the stupid" is a prime candidate.
mircea_popescu: these are eminently
the sorts of problems of
the stupid, whereby
those who come after can't fucking discern what
the everloving fuck were you
thinking. however
the empire managed
to wedge
them into stupid,
through creating a hallucinatory "need for secrecy" or
through "women get
to choose, and you'll produce choices for
them free of charge" or whatever nonsense --
the fact remains, here i sit, and
they could've been
the hitti
mircea_popescu: from out in
the darkness, because
the "very intelligent" people invovled weren't, apparently, intelligent enough
to help me with
this problem.
mircea_popescu: wasn't specifically saying birth or death, merely
trying
to examine
the mechanism.
mircea_popescu: this is
then summarized as "asciilifeform iirc rms really hated noftsker, for some reason", and always in
that same format,
too, "for some reason".
the reason, above : x said something y
took somewhere.
mircea_popescu: ~. much easier
to produce mistrust
than
trust in
the process of organizing work with computers.
mircea_popescu: i suspect, further,
that
this is
traditionally, and nearly universally,
the failure mode in "tech" ie computer fabrication and utilization (and
thereby may be a major item in say
http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ ) :
the production of ideal objects involved is so complex, management ends up in info overload and
the
technologists involved end up misinterpreting
the barf as meaningful ~within
their visible edges
mircea_popescu: if
they're not out
there advertising it as a srsly, it's utterly not worth our/anyone's
time
to consider whatever data
they have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it was never significant ;
ten k or so lusers, and generally of
the "adlai and friends" ilk.
mircea_popescu: there's
the equivalent of ferments, pushing chemistry "against"
thermodynamics, ie, niggers pushing suckers against
their own interest.
mircea_popescu: HOW else "
the reason food went extinct --
too lazy, and "better, moar
technological" alternatives." / "why's marriage gone extinct ? not like
the present day idiocy makes anyone happy. " etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, why else all
the pretense, you know. bitpay exists
to "please stop using bitcoin", keybase exists
to "please stop using rsa",
the WHOLE point of
the usg ersatzen is exactly
this,
to get
the sort of retard who can't
tell
the difference between item and usg.fake
to stop using item.
mircea_popescu: (and i'll point out
that
the eulora movement away from prices-because-prices
to prices-for-these-reasons
that's been evident in
the coupla years past is very much of
this exact same substance. a rational universe, plox, had enough of
the emotional one.)
mircea_popescu: what's required of you is
to explain ~how~ you processed sense data
to end up in what looks from outside like wedges and
thereby how
to avoid it in future. even if it's a lot of explaining and fixing
takes a lifetime, nevertheless,
that's
the process, and
that's ~why~ "we're not x, we're y".
mircea_popescu: understand
that what's required of you isn't a bland "do better", somehow magically and on your own power ; it's evident
that your own power gets you where it got you, idly power-cycling
the machine isn't
the republican game.
mircea_popescu: i don't know ; and i'd like
to know ; but i'd rather not guess, which is
the entire point of even having a wot in
the first place,
take
the guessing out of society, bring reason back among people.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 03:32 ben_vulpes: yo BingoBoingo how about some scans of
that hot cedula :P
mircea_popescu: so, how did your reasoning go
that produced 100k hither, 10k
thither ?
mircea_popescu: the examination of
those
trees, and
the procedures
that produced
them, are
the substance of "that's what school is".
mircea_popescu: that's not just a word / "something you say" / etc, we're not doing word salad, we're doing ASTs for lack of a better
term,
there's
trees everywhere at
the basis of and underneath expression, and
those
trees are sorted and organized by rational criteria.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:48 lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long
time ago
that mircea_popescu just wanted you
to submit. You can't block
the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, ben_vulpes, it occurs
to me
that in
the hubub yesterday you omitted
to explain
the reasoning behind
the various items. i guess it's maybe not evident, but
the semantic content of "i dunno how you're working all
this out in your skull" is "please explain how you're
thinking".
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not proposing x.1 as a counterargument of y.2,
they're separate
trees, and separate
trees are reconciled at
the roots by a manager.
mircea_popescu: why would anyone
think such a
thing ? it never worked in practice yet, but
then again somehow "what works" ain't nobody's got
time for.
mircea_popescu: why's marriage gone extinct ? not like
the present day idiocy makes anyone happy. yet,
they
think
they gotta "respect"
the woman.
mircea_popescu: i doubt
this is
true ; it may be, but it may also be it went extinct in heathendom for
the reason food went extinct --
too lazy, and "better, moar
technological" alternatives.