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BingoBoingo: But like
the IP situation and
the BTC/fiat conduit situation,
there are limits on how long
these discussions can be
tabled.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are now going
to go and start canvassing apartments pricing concretely, yes?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Can I get your assurances
that
this won't come up again for a long
time, at least a year or ever? We're just dumping cash. And we're not going
to be in business long at all. << You have my assurance.
This discussion was started in Februay had been
tabled without activity since
then. Hence reviving it when we have a path
to get
to where we need
to be, but before we get another infusion of iron down here.
mod6: So my willingness
to keep putting money into
this is contingent on whether or not we can even reach profitibility. Which we'll never get
there if "raises" and other "surpises" keep coming ujp.
☟︎ mod6: I'm not made of BTC like some people, and we are still way under where we need
to be at.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> plus
table, chairs, bed, cutlery, hot water heater? << Whiteboard
mod6: Can I get your assurances
that
this won't come up again for a long
time, at least a year or ever? We're just dumping cash. And we're not going
to be in business long at all.
mod6: So, BingoBoingo : Sounds like we have most of a plan
then.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> yeah, it's fuckin
tricky,
though. i'm
trying
to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i
think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably
the max
that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get
to
that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of
the whole pizarro operation's << Sweet
ben_vulpes: expenses and would be willing
to put down a half btc incentive if we hit
that. i'm also considering
that
the apartment rental is going
to be maybe 20% more expensive
than
the combined cowork and bunk, and propose moving some of
the end-of-year incentive forward in
time
to pay for
that.
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's fuckin
tricky,
though. i'm
trying
to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i
think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably
the max
that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get
to
that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of
the whole pizarro operation's
mod6: I
think you were
thinking about
this already, ya?
mod6: Yeah, maybe we could commit
to some amount now,
then build in a bouns structure for sales met or something.
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 21:23 BingoBoingo: <mod6> And
the per-diem money, if we can get it
to "reasonable bump" per month, is a done-deal in my opinion. << I am willing
to
table
the future incentive so you can come up with something more favorable
to Pizarro
than 1 integer BTC.
mod6: Anyway, ok. So we still need
to settle
the year-incentive payment.
mod6: can always fabricate your own
too, just sayin', if your in a pinch.
mod6: there's a guy we know in BSAS who can hook you up with a cage and whipping post/cross
thing
too if you need 'em.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: plus
table, chairs, bed, cutlery, hot water heater?
ben_vulpes: so
that's some 800/mo at
the bare minimum; an upfront of around 4.8k at
that rate
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: help me enumerate
these costs? A substantial guarentee upfront (3-6 months rent) and
then furnishing
the apartment.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mod6> And
the per-diem money, if we can get it
to "reasonable bump" per month, is a done-deal in my opinion. << I am willing
to
table
the future incentive so you can come up with something more favorable
to Pizarro
than 1 integer BTC.
mod6: BingoBoingo: bud, you need your own place
to hang your hat, you're a Lord of
the Republic, not a random street orc.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: help me enumerate
these costs?
mod6: And
the per-diem money, if we can get it
to "reasonable bump" per month, is a done-deal in my opinion.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:
there are not insignificant upfront costs iirc
mod6: I do
think we should get an apt for him, I've stayed in hostels before and I can't imagine staying
there for 6 months.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: am i crazy in
trying
to push for an apartment for you? << You aren't but
the monthly expense of an apartment isn't so different from
the hostel+cowork.
ben_vulpes: gotta figure a) whether
the apartment
thing is crazy for some reason i don't understand b) structure for next years incentive
mod6: Everyone wins: BB gets his raise, and 1 BTC end of feb 2019, and we get
to hang on
to a bit of cash for
the summer
to help ouselves out.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: am i crazy in
trying
to push for an apartment for you?
mod6: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform you guys ok with
that?
BingoBoingo: The now/September split is preferrable
to others
that have been proposed.
mod6: I suppose we could do 2500 now, 2500 end of july, and 2500 sept 1st or something if
that seems more agreeable.
mod6: Hmm? well, i am saying "5000" now
to give you some padding, and feel better about it, and
then 2500 later
to help us get our feet a bit.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: elaborate re what's wrong with normal btc ( you can sell it now, or later, or convert
to whatever suits you ) << Normal BTC is fine for
this, but for pizarro's sake I am denominating
this in Dosiedoes
BingoBoingo: I am saying
the "<mod6> So
that'd be ok with ya? 5000 now, 2500 september 1st?" is not objectionable. Breaking it down into even payments is objectionable.
mod6: Ah, you
think
that
the september 1st payment will be a killer cause btc will be lower, ok.
BingoBoingo: mod6:
That would, From an FX risk perspective
though
the even monthly split is a killer.
mod6: Especially if you deem
that it makes you "whole" from all
the blood, sweat,
tears, and cash you put into
this adveture. Which, we all very much appreciate.
mod6: So
that'd be ok with ya? 5000 now, 2500 september 1st?
BingoBoingo: mod6: I didn't object
to
the 2 part split.
mod6: That I can understand. But I don't want
to give you 7500
to go and spend on hookers and blow.
mod6: If its
to repay your savings you spent on
this whole adventure,
then you'll get your money.
mod6: It's worrying
to me
that I offered
to pay
this 7500 out over
the next year, which doesn't seem
to excite you,
then I offered
to pay some now, some in 90 days,
that's not
taking either it seems.
mod6: BingoBoingo: how much of your savings did you personally spend on
this adventure?
ben_vulpes: sure, but i'm
talking about quality of existence here. own place
to shit, own food prep area, not having
to constantly piss on preferred chairs. it buys security for effects, and calm of mind
that i
think BingoBoingo underestimates (unless he is a very different animal from what i imagine)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: The people everywhere bu
the hostel fire
the disgust receptors far more frequently
than
the ones inside.
ben_vulpes: you've astonishing will
to keep yourself
together around
the addicts but i worry about
the cost of keeping clenched constantly
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: would own quarters move
the needle significantly on morale?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather pay increased living costs either as a flat fee
to get into
the apartment or monthly on
the rental so
that you can cook for yourself and get off
the street food
BingoBoingo: <mod6> What I want, is a commitment for no further renegotiations until at least
this
time of next year. <<
That is
the goal. It's also why I started
the push
this month before any more machines are holding me hostage in
the cabinet.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> yeah in re
the apartment, BingoBoingo you want
to live in
the dorms forever or why wasn't
that in your ask << It's something I am flexible on.
ben_vulpes: yeah in re
the apartment, BingoBoingo you want
to live in
the dorms forever or why wasn't
that in your ask
mod6: What I want, is a commitment for no further renegotiations until at least
this
time of next year.
mod6: We will still need
to increase your overall $1800 per month (or whatever it is, so you can have pants and shoes, etc.), and an apartment was in
the discussion as well.
ben_vulpes: you want flexibility on
the
thing he's most insistent on, i'm crunching numbers on an incentive program, so he's leaning on you
to make up
the difference in
the second axis.
mod6: Yeah, #2, and #3 are not a part of
the 7500
total.
ben_vulpes: mod6: he wants, reasonably, a counteroffer on all
three axes.
BingoBoingo: The board and management are free
to move around on all
three parts
to construct something palatable.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 20:40 BingoBoingo: mod6:
The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in
the near future so
that when
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in
the daily per diem
to an amount
that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into
that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants
to get an apartment or if
BingoBoingo: What kind of adjustment
to
the per diem would you pair
that with?
mod6: I
think 5000 now is what I'm willing
to do, payable in btc, and
then
the next 2500 (also payable in btc) September 1st.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well pizarro got billed for
the dentist.
The doctor is out of my pocket. Part of
the idea is getting
these
things off of Pizarro's line and into my own.
☟︎ mod6: We've been handling
things like dentist/doctor up until now right? Or have you been paying for
that out of pocket?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: wouldja be willing
to
take an incentive payment next may gated on helping me filter
the ocean for shared shell customers?
BingoBoingo: My own fear of encountering a big unavoidable expense requiring a lumpsum is why It's part of
the ask.
mod6: Would
that work for ya BingoBoingo? ben_vulpes ? asciilifeform ?
mod6: I would like
the draw
this out a bit, instead of a big lumpsum payment now.
ben_vulpes: mod6: doesn't really make a difference
to
the books, a liability is a liability. it's going
to show up on
the balance sheet regardless.
☟︎ mod6: That should give you some cash
to work with, and allow us
to not have
to crush our immediate cash position on
the balance sheet.
mod6: How about
this. $7500, payable in BTC monthly, over
the next 9 months?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Honestly
the whatever happens at
the end of next February part is actually
the one I feel
the most flexible on. For
the immediate capitalization component I am perfectly capable of recieving BTC.
ben_vulpes: mod6: "lump sum of BTC equivalent
to 7500 usd", so no conversion necessary
mod6: As far as
the 8000 now,
this really cuts into our available cash flow. Aside from
the plainly stated fact
that we
then also, aside from paying bills, need
to figure out how
to
translate another ~1 BTC in
to USD and
then have someone wire/WU it down
to you.
mod6: Here's
the problem. We obviously need you / want you
to stay. I'm
told you've been doing a good job
there. We have limited money at
this
time, as obviously, we just got into business here; and we're still
trying
to figure out how
to get
to break-even. I
think
the 1 BTC at
the end of next february is something we can do for ya.
BingoBoingo: Pizarro wants
to get BingoBoingo an apartment.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 18:24 mircea_popescu: you will sooner or later run into issues you need actual professional help with. just like
the cold.
BingoBoingo: mod6:
The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in
the near future so
that when
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in
the daily per diem
to an amount
that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into
that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants
to get an apartment or if
☝︎☟︎ mod6: And furthermore,
this raise does not include whatever expenses you would require
to get an apartment in .uy, correct?
mod6: BingoBoingo:
The raise you propse is 1 BTC at end of February of 2019, and ~8k USD now right?
mod6: Alright, since
this keeps pressing here...
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform spent week in
the company of BingoBoingo , and confirms
that
the most serious problem currently is morale , d00d needs some light in his pillbox <<
That was actually a high point for
the morale.
The boost carried over well into
the next week. Definitely
the high point of
the post-bedbug era.
mircea_popescu: making it obvious
that owning
the box is neither glorious nor productive may be sufficient deterrent. who even knows.
BingoBoingo: If
they bathe and stick around
they are likely
to end up in L2 before
too long
mircea_popescu: these are not fixable in software anymore
than a dirty couch can be cleanned by photographic it with
the right angle lens.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes,
the machine itself, hardware-wise, is incapable of multiuser. it leaks its memory via cache
timings on 3 or 4 different layers ; it lacks its state via nic delays, it leaks like a sieve.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not pressing, punchlist item for next rennovation of personal workstation whenever
that happens.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "time
the box"? leaking of user passwords by
timing sidechannel?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not insisting or even proposing
this insanity be continued. i am merely stating
the world.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 3M has a branch office here, if you can pass me
the name of
the specific product
that would be swell.