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asciilifeform: who made ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on pc?!
asciilifeform: i use mc's -- daily
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nc also, hexview
asciilifeform: the humble | is 99% of what unix even has going for it.
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i wrote kilometres of .bat, like everybody else )
asciilifeform: toy.
asciilifeform: no grep, no sed -- not shell.
asciilifeform: and yeah , an nc-like proggy can make life on a shell-less os almost tolerable. but (as i described in earlier thread) that is not the only use.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was described in a trilema
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were many decent clones of the dos nc : e.g., 'volkov commander'
asciilifeform: ^gui only iirc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: softwarehouse inc. was bought by ti, who 'calculatorized' it, there's an old thread
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, the physical, calculatorized pocket derive, had stellar ui, joy to use )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hah, so not only asciilifeform hated that ui !
asciilifeform: *and other
asciilifeform: (when i used 'idea', 'mathematica' other very spiffy nonemacsen specialized to tasks )
asciilifeform: trinque: i still missed 'hungry backspace', zero-mouse mechanics, and not having to use ibm keystrokes .
asciilifeform: i found it trinque
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu this is entirely tru
asciilifeform: or even america 19th c, 'log cabin'
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i was intrigued, 'no screws! ze phyootoor'
asciilifeform: ah hmm looks like i misread phf's 'nails, drills, and screws'
asciilifeform: how to attach the pieces? ultrasonic weld?
asciilifeform: phf: really, no screws?
asciilifeform: it is a manacle.
asciilifeform: the funny/sad bit is that i loathe emacs.
asciilifeform: lul
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there are several systems for which emacs support is poor/laughable/nonexistent, actually
asciilifeform: long ago, asciilifeform did some hard time in a java salt mine, liked editor 'idea'
asciilifeform: he did mention a java editor
asciilifeform: i could bewrong.
asciilifeform: iirc.
asciilifeform: i will take off my hat, if it is so. promise.
asciilifeform: quite srsly, i'd like to know : phf now uses what? 'ed' ? does he still write programs for money ? in commonlisp? in selfsame 'ed' ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: how'd i know. hence -- asked.
asciilifeform: well sure, maybe 'carpenter' now means a fella who blows houses from plastic, in one shot.
asciilifeform: could. and so i asked him, because i'd like to see how carpenter goes along without hammer. maybe he found how to convince nails to go into wood by themselves..
asciilifeform: 'i sold my hammer' 'i suppose you are not a carpenter no moar?'
asciilifeform: what am i to guess , this means.
asciilifeform: well phf did say 'i replaced $tool-of-trade with Nothing'
asciilifeform: which under the surface, consists of not actually writing nontrivial programs.
asciilifeform: but it is disingenuous to say 'i founda Zen Method of programming'
asciilifeform: i don't, note, take issue with folx who quit programming. i aspire to do it one day, myself.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: there isn't a different town.
asciilifeform: if there were one of these per six metres of road, i'd consider a tracked vehicle.
asciilifeform: 'pothole' means what in mircea_popescu's mind's eye, cubic metre pit ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: explain
asciilifeform: the adult emacs.
asciilifeform: phf: genera in my mind is 'an emacs'
asciilifeform: for folx who spent entire life shitting into holes in earth -- that is also not unpleasant, and does not lengthen their oodaloop.
asciilifeform: moarpowerforyou
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ooda loop.
asciilifeform: and not pretend that 'rusty spoon is just as good as power saw '.
asciilifeform: ( there is nothing wrong with getting successful to cocaineyacht stage of life. but i like whenfolx are ~honest~ about it )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have allergy to 'Simplicity! Is Best! Simple life, Simple toolz!!!' folx, who, on examination, are able to carry along in he delusion strictly because they do ~0 nontrivial work with own hands.
asciilifeform: bulldozer that amplifies my intelligence and makes such thing as, e.g., unravelling trb, possible, is not 'balcony tomato'.
asciilifeform: 'power saws are decadence, hand saw suffices to build anything in existence' 'how much sawing do you , personally, do?' 'stop discussing tool out of context!!1'
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: really, wont miss 'who-calls' ?
asciilifeform: or reading old smbx clim crud, etc
asciilifeform: suppose you write a ~new~ proggy, phf
asciilifeform: in fact discussing specific domain here, as example, commonlisp.
asciilifeform: phf knows very well what is 'who-calls'
asciilifeform: enjoying typing out by hand 'least-negative-normalized-single-float' twenty times a day?
asciilifeform: with telepathy?
asciilifeform: phf: with what didja replace , e.g., 'who-calls' ? with grep ?
asciilifeform: 'i picked nose, but cured now, cut off it and fingers'
asciilifeform: harmful habits are not the hammer's fault.
asciilifeform: congrats phf
asciilifeform: aah so cocaineyacht.
asciilifeform: but i'm not an inglischman
asciilifeform: notafaik
asciilifeform: aah ok.
asciilifeform: or does that construct work in ro
asciilifeform: what means 'regrets x'
asciilifeform: .. or because idiot?'
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: .
asciilifeform: ( the other, obligatory naggum re subj, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html , i.e. 'is your work expensive and uncertain because you drill 5km into ocean floor
asciilifeform: but it consists of pumping liquishit from one vessel to another.
asciilifeform: if cost of evaluation were huge because the activity consisted of travel to uncharted asteroids -- that'd be one thing.
asciilifeform: really, closing parens and indenting by hand..?
asciilifeform: phf: i'm still curious re with what you replaced emacs.
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3207123764972938@naggum.net.html
asciilifeform: 'imponade'
asciilifeform: naggum called it,
asciilifeform: think.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they ~have~ to be
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: 'аникей'
asciilifeform: 'where is the anykey?!!1'
asciilifeform: repetitive mechanical work -- suxx.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno about yours, on my kbd there is not a clit..
asciilifeform: usually when i end up picking up entirely new system ( most recently -- ada )
asciilifeform: fwiw i turn a knob or two in .emacs , every other year or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ancients did write 'moderation in all things', neh.
asciilifeform: and yes emacs is a glue trap.