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Ukto: The withdraw page clearly, plainly, and simply says I have 35.5btc available
to withdraw. No further details.
Ukto: Clearly, plain and simple.. wow...
that must be
the cause of
the problem right
there.
burnside: I don't say anything about bid depth or order depth on
the market.
Ukto: When you withdraw or
transfer it cancels your orders you can no longer afford. Plain. Simple. Effective. I even have a display on
the withdrawal page clearly showing
the maximum you can withdraw without orders getting canceled -- AND,
this behavior has been discussed
to death in
the btct/litecoinglobal
threads.
Ukto: when looking at
the overall market page
burnside: as of
the
time you load
the book
burnside: [12:06] <Ukto> Regardless of 'pumping
the numbers', i
think
traders have a right
to knwo
that a bid is actually backed, and not just a fake number on
the books.
burnside: [12:05] <Ukto> and
then its a complete, lie
burnside: [12:05] <Ukto> on btct, I can fill my account with 100btc, put up
to 100btc orders on each asset, and withdraw
the 100btc
burnside: no, you lied. you stated unequivocally
that you could place 100 btc bids on all assets, withdraw 100 btc, and all your bids would remain.
Ukto: So in
the end, I
told
the
truth,
that you can set bids on a per asset basis, right?
burnside: errr, assbot has been pretty quiet
tho
burnside: heh,
thanks pigeons, we need
the volume!
pigeons: i just spent 2 btc on btc-bond
to learn how
this works
Ukto: I
think, also
to some degree, it misrepresents market size as well
burnside: we don't make any claims anywhere for "XX in bids are up across
the whole exchange RIGHT NOW"
Namworld: but evaluating one individually will always show an accurate orderbook and
that's all I care about.
Ukto: Namworld:
that is
true.
Namworld: yeah. Orderbook is
true only for
the asset you're currently looking at... I don't see
the problem with bids on other assets disappearing upon filling
that orderbook
Ukto: and
that my own actions are not damanging other possible actions
burnside: it's accurate as of when you load
the book
Ukto: as a
trader, I like
to know
that
the books are
there
burnside: that's always
the case
though, on a larger exchange
the books are always changing.
Ukto: so
that is my opinion
Ukto: but
there is a level of expectancy
Ukto: and say its no diff
than a bot auto moving orders
Ukto: because it wasnt actually
there
burnside: locking on
the backend would essentially work such
that only your first 20btc of bids would go
through
TradeFortress: inb4 race attack causes account balance
to go negative
pigeons: its not fake cause it cancels immediately i agree, but also i dont
think its user friendly, shouldnt accept
the order
Ukto: Namworld: so all 6 of my 5btc pids could instnatly be filled even
tho I have 20btc?
Namworld: It can just removes demand on other assets at
the same
time.
Namworld: How is it a lie? all bids on
the book can be filled right away
burnside: I
thought about
that pigeons, but
that's a ui issue where I decided
that
the order
they're placing should rank higher
than orders
they already had. (what
they want
to do NOW outranks what
they wanted
to do yesterday.)
Ukto: whcih is why
the major stock exchange do not do it
Ukto: I was saying
that in my opinion i feel its a lie
to show X btc worth on
the books when its not actually
there
pigeons: just don't accept
the order
Ukto: yup,
thats cool and nice
to know
burnside: and not all of
them, just
the ones you can no longer afford
burnside: it's part of
the order process
Ukto: apparently from
the sound of pigeons
burnside: ahh, good question. on
the bids side your highest bids get canceled.
pigeons: it isn't
transparent how it chose
Ukto: pigeons: all of
them ?
Ukto: are all
teh rest canceled?
burnside: yes,
the rest of how it works has been beaten
to death
Ukto: so lets go back
to $20
burnside: across assets, sure, but not on
the same asset
Ukto: i cant force wsomeone
to buy my shares.
burnside: The looking bad part I
think you accomplish just fine on your own.
burnside: How could it look
to be
true
that
the order book is not backed? Orders you cannot afford get canceled...
the functionality is plain and simple. And, you did not even
try it?
Ukto: unless your whole goal is
to
troll and
try
to make me look bad ?
Ukto: still have no idea what asking about outstanding shares has
to do with lieing or fud
Ukto: for something
that
to
this moment looks
to be
ture?
Ukto: ah, how about a rebuttle where
the statement was?
burnside: Ukto, just so we're clear. Anytime you post something
that is incorrect, wrong, or misleading, I'm going
to post a follow up with
the
truth. If
that bothers you, I'm sorry, but it has
to be done. If you don't want
to be called a liar,
then don't say definitively
that something is
true when it is not.
Ukto: reminds me of when I had my JAH shares on glbse, and rasta paid divs nightly, even
though he only had
to paid weekly.
Namworld: yeah. Well I had indeed made great profit
trading options...
gribble: The average
time
to generate a block at 185000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2968775.33208, is 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds
gribble: use
the 'gentime' command instead
Ukto: Namworld: btw, I
think
those bonus divs were a great use of
the pre-timed payouts
to get some sales. I
think it helped alot for getting shares out. :)
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with
the ! character. A good starting point for exploring
the bot is
the !facts command. You can also visit
the bot's website for a list of help
topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ Bugpowder: So are
the
taking
the second order money before anyone confirms receiving a functional unit?
jcpham: mircea_popescu but 16 posts means he learned a lot about
the bitty coins
jcpham: where did
that
text come from
mircea_popescu: Do U
think btc should move away from sha256 and let "normal" people
the chance ?"
mircea_popescu: I realise
that
there are some ppl
that allready invested in asic and fpga, but
ton off ppl are unsatisfied with
this.
mircea_popescu: We started off with a bitcoin
that anyone could use and now were forced
to buy stuff we dont really want.
mircea_popescu: "Would it be even remotely possible
to force
the change in sha256 bitcoin algorith
to something else
that asic and fpga devices couldnt compute?
mircea_popescu: "ASIC's are not a natural
technological generation leap like going from CPU
to GPU was. ASIC's are simply specialized processing units made specifically for Bitcoin. Which i do not beleive is following
the original intentions of Satoshi, for many reasons."
jcpham: -otc is getting or is like
that now
too
dub: you should resell
those
dub: >9000
troll
to 1 usefull post
jcpham: surrounding any of
the asic stuff
jcpham: i haven't read ny of
the forum fud
mircea_popescu: jcpham someone was opining
that
they got 300 chips of which 10 work
jcpham: but out of
the box ready
to mine with software is a game changer
jcpham: if definitely isn't leading
the power consumption race
dub: wattage is accurately reported as 'higher
than 400w'