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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo obese fuck "who's always been" never in his life felt so "ashamed" as when the life support got a little threatened ?
mircea_popescu: wasp is a very heavy type of gnat.
mircea_popescu: there is no "elephant" as a categorically different item
asciilifeform: but it smacks of 'elephant is simply a very heavy type of fly'
asciilifeform: this is a defensible pov but not quite what anybody expects.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you buy a car you are in the car biz, yes. which is why car salesmen rape you so badly.
phf: in fact it took me a while to grok what's going on
mircea_popescu: it's a domestic arrangement, what.
phf: probably a controversial point because never interacted with those other pimps
mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: a new pocket knife - in cutlery biz ?
asciilifeform: and if i buy a car i am in car biz ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "special" situation where you're a pimp but that's ok because you're not really a pimp.
asciilifeform: sellers of derelicts that are a few $k of new carpet away from habitability.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:06 phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491446 << there doubtlessly is a large helping of that. bad management by engineers who imagined they can manage for reasons unknown. http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ rather applies. ☝︎
asciilifeform: you could prolly replace it with, e.g., SIOD, without breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: plus how much of it is there - a dozen lines ?
asciilifeform: it is not clear that smbx would be famous and interesting today if they had transformed themselves into a sun earlier.
mircea_popescu: phf real estate is the traditional siren song that sinks a certain type of empire builder head.
phf: they had a different spelling of it (i vaguely suspect on account of indiana jones movie), "kala, divine mother temple" it took me a while to get it
phf: i drove past a mother kali temple somewhere in laurel, md yesterday
asciilifeform: brief overview: i had it lying around because was trying to make a mempool debugger at one time.
shinohai: Speaking of lisp, asciilifeform has officially made me a shiva believer.
asciilifeform: you don't need courage to kick a dead lion.
phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it" ☟︎
phf: to bubbling debt, etc. not saying that either of us could do it in a few sentences, but that's what i would expect from proper paper on the subject. real estate is not even mentioned in the above hack job
phf: well, that's an opinion. a proper exploration of this subject would answer questions like what was revenue sources, what were the expenses, and then go backwards from there, figuring out where and how those were compromised or failed to correct. smbx burned through something like 10mil 80s cash in 2 years. and they burned through them by being locked into real estate, that lost value post crash. so can explore how the internal culture contributed
mircea_popescu: because the people of the 50s "wanted their kids to live a better life"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 20:29 asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier countr
asciilifeform: (whose launcher stood so tall that a man cannot be photographed in the same frame as it and still be visible)
asciilifeform: phf: smbx was a creature of megalomaniacal empire, like the su 'Рокот' rocket.
asciilifeform: 'Instead of a murder-suicide carried out by John Sheridan, as the prosecutor concluded, Baden found that the CEO of Cooper Health System and his wife, a retired teacher, more likely were preyed upon by a man who killed them and then set a fire to destroy the evidence.'
asciilifeform: are a consumer society, the bright store fronts and restaurants blinding people from seeing the general decay of the nation. Unless there's a revival of production and real technological progress, we are doomed...'
asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier country (and medically). Now we ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491353 << you can't get so much as a doghouse for this price, even in bmore ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 17:43 mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
shinohai: asciilifeform is such a wonderfully easy person to make snore. I'll bet he never needs Ambien.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/#comment-117840
mircea_popescu: phf so who did you get into a fight with then!
_FeltPen: @thestringpuller - I feel you, nobody likes competing against a wet paper bag.
thestringpuller: although that's not a good thing...
phf: out 5 years ago. now i can't go there without getting the anger shakes, it's a fucking millenial central. i got into a fight at johnny brenda's (mentioned in the article) a year ago, and everybody backed down, which made me even madder. fuck that place
phf: saw it happen in fishtown, http://articles.philly.com/2016-02-19/news/70734651_1_fishtown-kensington-community-development-corp-johnny-brenda the place was amazing 10 years ago. dead, cheap, bunch of weirdos living there. there was a bookstore, called "germ", that would invite these totally insane performers. their book selection was ufo, nazi, conspiracy theories and right hand magick. they had like a hitler telegram on sale for $2k, it closed ab
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mircea_popescu: check it out BingoBoingo , a new AA cult is born!
deedbot: [Trilema] Nobody could have foreseen their using a woman as a weapon - http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/
phf: the insane borderline chick that was my radar for these things wanted to move to williamsburg in 2002 or so cause that's where here friends were, by 2005 they had awesome parties there, by 2008 everybody knew they had awesome parties there, by 2012 the rent started to climb, by 2014 yuppies moving in, 2015 it's a joke that everyone's in on
phf: yeah, the non space eventually actualizes into a named thing, and it can be "hipsters" like what happened to brooklyn or "gays" like what happened to dupont circle
phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio ☟︎☟︎
phf: so i've lived on the gentrification line before and it's never "white kids", they move in when after the whole thing is named "gentrification" and by then there's already a whole foods in the works. gentrification is brought about by utter misfit john waters crowd, and they prime the area for couple of years by throwing parties and making things happen, large portion of them is gay and otherwise insane.
mircea_popescu: well, slumlord phf buy the place for them, then charges them 100 a month for a dildo to sit on
mircea_popescu: nah, not to gentrify. they're not gentry. just, to scumiffy in a different direction.
trinque: I recall a hilarious "board meeting" in an episode, I think.
BingoBoingo: Who knows, maybe startup culture has a tin pest sort of effect on the hood?
mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm. ☟︎
phf: that's definitely not the types i would want anywhere near a baltimore ghetto workshop. not only are they useless, they are also going to do something stupid, get shot or raped and next thing you know we're in the middle of scandal
phf: one guy (support) got it in his head that he's going to open a london branch of the company, he regularly arranges meetings with random uk business representatives to discuss along these lines. i heard he had some kind of meeting with richard branson as part of a small select group, etc. etc. mind you this has long been shot down by the owners as utterly insane and shut the fuck up. doesn't deter him.
phf: i'm not even exaggerating to pander, the whole thing is a parody of itself
phf: 1776 is the biggest one, they have daily talks on how to succeed as a woman ceo, workshops on how to learn ruby. probably a good subject for a blog post, a tour of 1776 on an average day..
phf: this is a spinoff from ycombinator, where you're not paying for tangibles, like "such much space", but instead an opportunity to connect, blah blah blah
mircea_popescu: phf ok this sounds like a great racket actually.
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, all this has stimulated me, ima go write a follow-up to http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/
phf: yeah, basically. you get a floor of a building, put a bunch of tables, a few "closed door" closets for people who are willing to pay $400/mo, a printer, a coffeemaker, and then you charge people $100/mo to have a place to sit and chat all day
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't. << I did not have a pipe wrench yesterday morning and yet $2 got me one before bed time on the same day.
mircea_popescu: ah like a gym, but w/o fat shaming ?
phf: that's not for a room, that's essentially "club membership"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they do have it. work a day, get a grand or so. who ever heard of this, rent < 1 day's honest work ?
phf: for a chair?
mircea_popescu: you go, put a "designer etsy girl" community in ghetoo. take pix.
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i agree, but i'm not telling other pufferfish how to do things, i'm talking from my school :> i'm not even saying it's somehow special. it's just very cheap to put a workspace area in ghetto if the people working it are basically ok with manual labour, "community building" all that jazz
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to "Every pet a rifleman"?
asciilifeform: i would buy one for a workshop but it'll get emptied as soon as i drive off.
mircea_popescu: but as a for-profit thing, you need your own army.
mircea_popescu: one needs a sort of patriotic dweller to engage in this sort of thing.
phf: i know people who did that in detroit before for a hackerspace, but with motorcycles
mircea_popescu: phf this is a monopoly trade. if you're not in the right lawyer club you'll end up in the middle of a scandal.
phf: well, if you have a cause, by up a whole block, put a fence around it, reinforce windows, have a nice workshop space or whatever. as long as nobody's bicycling in you're solid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for having a good time.
mircea_popescu: ftr, 0 out of 200k is just about consistent with a TRUE rate of "random bit flippage".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i genuinely have nfi. but a little more of this and i'ma start verifying the keyz, possibly Framedragger was mitm'd when he scanned. or fucked up in some other way.
BingoBoingo: Well, what else can one expect of a failed Actrauce (-auce is the way to gender job titles mayo)
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Producers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/the-producers/
BingoBoingo: Hey, an AR-15 is a "Modern Sporting Rifle"
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a derpy "teenage interest" thing.
mircea_popescu: uh. grease was a "movie musical" >
BingoBoingo: "John Travolta as Edna Turnblad, Tracy's mother and agent, an agoraphobe ashamed of her obesity. Travolta's casting as Edna continues the tradition of having a man in drag portray the character, going back to the original 1988 film, which featured drag queen Divine as Edna and at Hairspray's Broadway version, which featured Harvey Fierstein as Edna.[10] Executives at New Line Cinema originally expected the part to be filled by an actor a
mircea_popescu: they made a movie ?
mircea_popescu: i thought hairspray was a fag interest musical.
mircea_popescu: romanian to this day uses "a invedera" as part of common please (to bring to the court, to put in the record). so the change isn't either that new or that central.
phf: so, i just learned that historia is produced by an istor or widstor, i.e. a wise man or a person who knows/sees, i.e. the one who вид-ит
asciilifeform: aaactually there is also a theory that it got lost in the echo chamber of suetonius, who was quite possibly his era's equivalent of, e.g., michael moore
phf: it is certainly a fine troll and a strong way to make your point, still it gets lost in the echo chamber
asciilifeform: perhaps his h0rs3 was a houyhnhnm !
asciilifeform: 'caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator' (tm) (r) !1111
mircea_popescu: "he made his horse a senator" <=> "stated his horse would make a finer senator than most of them"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:13 phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491091 << "Polls can be this wrong because a thin sliver "at the top", The Delusionals, have an investment in reality turning a certain way. So they falsify. " ☝︎
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Where the sun’s up past 10:00pm. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/where-the-suns-up-past-1000pm/