asciilifeform: this -- works. but the hose has TWO ends

asciilifeform: let's say gavin writes a forked client that incorporates the entirety of traditional bitcoin, and keeps both blockchains around, simply to refuse to spend any output that's been already spent somewhere in actual bitcoinland.

asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for something like a coherent explanation of how that's to work.

asciilifeform: 'We will implement replay protection'

asciilifeform: oh neato.

asciilifeform: 'Hello asciilifeform I see on coin.dance/nodes , The Real Bitcoin is listed with the 'Emergent Consensus' feature tag. Could you tell me if that's accurate - will you follow a HF to > 1MB , and could you tell me anything about how it's implemented in TRB ? Thx!' ☟︎

asciilifeform: or, hm, these get gc'd, don't they.

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c3dCR/?raw=true

asciilifeform: in other noose,

asciilifeform: enjoy mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: and then realizing that it is not logic at all, it is liquishit

asciilifeform: because i hit against it while laboriously replicating the original logic in nqb,

asciilifeform: i'ma have to write it out.

asciilifeform: i.e. the orphaned blocks a particular node ~has seen~.

asciilifeform: and, worst of all, it relies on ~local~ phenomena

asciilifeform: to elaborate : there is a serious disjunction between how reorg is supposed to work, on paper, and how it actually works.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: the very first block would have to outweigh the cumulative work.

asciilifeform: the other open seekrit re classical trb : and afaik applies equally to various prbs : there is no means whereby to introduce a martian reorg consisting of >1 block, such that it will actually get processed.

asciilifeform: realistically a reorg affects, what, few dozen blocks. and that's if martians land.

asciilifeform: idea being (and currently in 'nqb' asciilifeform is experimenting with the proportions) it is quite stupid to do reorg ops of open-endedly large size.

asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it

asciilifeform: did we ever do the bicameral ('nursery' vs 'adult') tx db thread ?

asciilifeform: ( reorg in trb is also ~ruinously~ expensive )

asciilifeform: aha!lol

asciilifeform: ( for instance, enemy can quite easily fill your disk with well-formed but forkleted blocks -- they are never removed )

asciilifeform: it is braindamaged in a great many ways

asciilifeform: i actually spent a good chunk of past 2 days making sense of the reorg logic

asciilifeform: ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1337 << subj )

asciilifeform: classical trb simply throws those out, as malformed rubbish in ProcessBlock()

asciilifeform: (re reorgs)

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i guessed this, from your statement.

asciilifeform: and the 'infinite sigs in finite box' thing is demonstrably nonsense.

asciilifeform: which is to say, wholly unknown.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632693 << as solid as ecc in general ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632698 << zero instances in my trb logs to date, mp_en_viaje ☝︎

asciilifeform: pioneered by microshit

asciilifeform: this had a name, 'embrace & extinguish'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc above was from the mit derps

asciilifeform: never really seemed like an 'attack' to me.

asciilifeform: etc.

asciilifeform: 'FUCKGOATS is broken, won't plug into my shitphone'

asciilifeform: say, for instance, kako's 'trb is broken, won't push my p2sholade'

asciilifeform: ain't that prb for years nao?

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: expand plox re 'expand the downstream'

asciilifeform: ( jurov might have details, he had some proprietary thing of his own that required a prb in the loop, complained of massive headaches )

asciilifeform: iirc prb doesn't even maintain a socket with trb , starting with 11 or so

asciilifeform: aah

asciilifeform: as soon as they have with what, such that doesn't crash 5 min. in...

asciilifeform: quinine, say.

asciilifeform: hanbot: it's approx what was in a sov pharmacy.

asciilifeform: oh hey mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: ^ given vps , probably entire customer base -- equally debianized.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632619 >> http://208.82.112.76 >> 'When we launched the first boutique portfolio of Argentine wines in 1999, we never imagined we’d be at the forefront of a wine revolution...' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo ^ one for your files.

asciilifeform: lul

asciilifeform pictures this

asciilifeform: didja wear it on yer face?!

asciilifeform: ( didn't find deathray hidden under the floor, no. but also ruled out bad drams, so the mystery -- remained ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: oh it'd seem that i neglected to say why i had the geiger around -- was hunting for a reason why a certain box of mine was ringing ecc alarms

asciilifeform: and military equip. ( compasses, aircraft gauges )

asciilifeform: at one time was ubiquitous, esp for nice watches.

asciilifeform: both

asciilifeform: quite enough to expose film, say.

asciilifeform: apparently quite a few old timepieces ragingly gamma

asciilifeform: ( some time in last wk )

asciilifeform: radium thread

asciilifeform: hey pete_dushenski was it you who collected old watches ?

asciilifeform: nope, woke up from road noises as always ☟︎

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nope

asciilifeform: there was a steering wheel, oddly, but rather like in a toy car, it was not connected to anything, just spun in place.

asciilifeform: was annoying, i knew it was taking me to a jail, tried various tricks to get out , or alternatively to crash it, but no dice

asciilifeform: reminds me, i dreamed that i was in a robotic car

asciilifeform: y'mean londonabad

asciilifeform: in shiticon valley -- 1m/y is grinding poverty

asciilifeform: and iirc nyc is no longer king of bezzle

asciilifeform: also i can't resist to ask.. pete_dushenski reads that rubbish habitually? wai?

asciilifeform: and not dividends

asciilifeform: esp when it's still a... salary ☟︎

asciilifeform: 2-2.5x poorsalary ain't 'rich', pete_dushenski

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mimisbrunnr down ?

asciilifeform: for instance, it is a good habit to search for a topic in the logs, prior to asking after it.

asciilifeform: !!up CompanionCube

asciilifeform: likewise, phf's ( the linked logtron ) has back-reference links ( when a line is mentioned, you can go from it, to the mentions ) and other conveniences (search, for instance.)

asciilifeform: between phf's logtron, Framedragger's, and ben_vulpes's -- ~100% coverage. unlike, say, your own connection plus the particular fleanode box it may happen to be on.

asciilifeform: folks coming from heathendom, who 'oh i'll lurk', despite being shown the logs, remind me of fresh-off-the-boat emigres from east asia who will come to somebody's house and then insist on trying to balance with their legs on the toilet, 'just like back home'

asciilifeform: can also read log, http://btcbase.org/log .

asciilifeform: aite.

asciilifeform: !!up CompanionCube

asciilifeform: !~later tell TomServo also your 'recovery' debug.log doesn't seem to be one -- there are no block acceptance messages therein

asciilifeform: ^ the opening shot.

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : AddToBlockIndex failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: SetBestChain() : Reorganize failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: Reorganize() : ConnectBlock failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 REORGANIZE

asciilifeform: my current understanding is that reorg can only fail if there is a catastrophic problem with db ☟︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell TomServo you were right, it wasn't the clock, the original log is monotonic ( probably oughta post it publicly ) -- the boojum is a failed reorg, and it is impossible to say why it failed, could be disk rot.