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mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as economic inefficiencies, yeah.
adlai: btw, the way to get something sold is to pay a salesman commission.
asciilifeform: (which month of work to sell a few k$ box, is)
asciilifeform: it used a custom tube by 'clinton', not replaceable
phf: for example i bought an xl1201, it's been sitting at a friend's place in seattle for 8 months now, because it's waiting for me to go there in person and pick it up myself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know there is such a thing in business as "FOB"
asciilifeform: but i ain't stuffing it in a box with the usual moneyback
asciilifeform: picture the cost of moving a cm
phf: fwiw she threw out a rembrandt, since it could be sold for 10-20-30k?
asciilifeform: (he never found a lispm to drive it with)
asciilifeform: it sat in his cellar for a decade
asciilifeform: a fellow i know bought one
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493962 << while that true, not applicable here. you should see what a standard office drone does with a large csv in his excel. 8 hour work day so as to avoid 20 minutes' worth of awk, and that includes the time reading docs. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the only difference between actual people and the us scumbags is that someone apparently told the latter they have a say.
asciilifeform: lulzily, iirc a smbx 36xx was about 100k american usd in late '80s
mircea_popescu: no, a 286 with a 14 inch display.
mircea_popescu: the correct model i think is sex. sex is free, to the asker ; it goes for a song. but it depends which asker and what song.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493863 << the concept of "free" as used here is unsound. there is such a thing as technological cost. linux is free, it can bash, derps whine about "firefox automation tools". hurr. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493859 << honestly, gpl, like everything else, started from the wrong premise. an expectation that "all people" WILL wreck your life, and everything you touch. all things, be they science, be they politics, be they family, love, art, whatever the fuck they be - are exactly that, a conversation between A SPECIAL KIND of people over whatever time and space expanses. nothing is open to the "com ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:02 phf: and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:59 phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493848 << yeah, doesn't affect you until you open a dentist's clinic and the customers "are confused". ☝︎
adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw!
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're entirely correct in that there's no such thing as "scientific knowledge", in the sense of a sort of secret football team in the sky that plays and wins for the average derp, once each day and twice on sunday.
adlai: amazingly enough software has a halflife even when at rest. CLM doesn't compile today.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:33 phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis)
trinque: ah, what a pain.
mircea_popescu: trinque just a pile of .sh
mircea_popescu: next grep is going to need a switch to actually search
mircea_popescu: yeah, why the fuck not, type pipes every time, cus it's so fucking hard to have a switch.
trinque: me either. still a problem.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not going to be a proxy gabriel!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:30 phf: funny how a lot of these ideas have been explored, grokked and then promptly not accepted
trinque: I could see myself sharing technology with someone if I see that it benefits me in some way, or at large if it has some strategic benefit to me, and not otherwise in service to a philosophical code
trinque: how is a naggum supposed to do anything if software is free
phf: and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever ☟︎
phf: if naggum wrote his emacs, or at the very least started one, then i wouldn't be necessarily stuck without a text editor i could trust or work with (hemlock being a particularly bad implementation, and emacs corrupted beyond redemption, etc)
phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach ☟︎
phf: lugm-time makes it very explicit that this is a wrong behavior
phf: well, there was a bunch of things, so i'm just going to hand waive it, but one major issue is that it doesn't actually have a date, time, datetime separation
adlai has treated it as a black box of Just Fucking Works... what went wrong for you?
phf: for example naggum specced out "LOCAL-TIME" concept in his "long painful history of time" paper, and it's an excellent solution. per your argument it's true that the actual communal implementation of local-time is a piece of shit. (if you've never read it, it's really horrible)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493744 << i think of these projects in the same terms i think of "knowledge" in general. same way as there's no abstract scientific knowledge that's somehow "accessible" to "society", there isn't universal good value to naggum's emacs, but there would've been value in naggum's ~to me~ as a kind of abstract node in what i'm hoping is a graph of sane people. same way as "scientific knowledge" is only a kind of comm ☝︎
phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis) ☟︎
phf: funny how a lot of these ideas have been explored, grokked and then promptly not accepted ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 15:38 asciilifeform: trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:08 asciilifeform: (svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.)
mircea_popescu: the problem may also start where keyboards have to have shit printed on them through a legacy process.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493768 << kinda slow neh ? but yes, i'm in agreement that glyps have no business being involved in programming, it's a display matter not more. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (the correct way to include the decompressor is via v linkage. that is to say, a signed hash thereof, i.e. an index into a wotronic cryptographic global namespace.)
asciilifeform: .. consisting of a multitude of Ts and Vs - or fewer, if you include a decompressor of one kind or another
asciilifeform: a hitler speech - longer
asciilifeform: so, e.g., a sinusoid, will be a very short one
asciilifeform: the SANE way to transport audio is ALSO as a compactified lisp proggy, which takes time T and returns a rational multiplicand for the maximum DAC voltage to be present at that time !
asciilifeform: it is simply reduced to what it really is - simply a viewport blit.
asciilifeform: per the above scheme, 'glyph' is no longer a 'special' animal. 'mona lisa' can be a glyph, and so can a mandelbrot zoom generated for one particular occasion.
asciilifeform: 'postscript' was a much earlier attempt.
asciilifeform: (svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.) ☟︎
trinque: neat, sounds similar approach to a shader
asciilifeform: and there are not so many of these, and necessary language is a quite limited subset of henderson's lisp
asciilifeform: but in actuality a sane definition of a glyph is: program, which takes a point in a region of 2d plane and tells you if said point is darkened by said glyph.
asciilifeform: the 'army boot' quandry comes from having to standardize the glyph as a bitmap.
mircea_popescu: fact is, when as much as a vague hint of the flavour of the possibility of a stable base is presented, people go nuts working hands to bone to build it up
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 15:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future, TRULY is the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient to breed actual people with some frequency.
asciilifeform: there is 0 point to cleaning a barrel that is being shat into faster than anyone could possibly hope to clean it.
asciilifeform: to suggest that a thinking man spend his life this way, is quite like 'why dontcha close the embrasure of this pillbox with your body'
asciilifeform: (what means 'wasted blood' ? see http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project for what i mean here. )
asciilifeform: phf: serious folks are avoiding the serious problems because they CORRECTLY intuit that there is not a stable foundation on which to solve them.
phf: yeah, it's a hard problem unrelated to clim
phf: have 3 different fontsets, no way is ttf a solution
phf: with a designer
phf: there's literally not a single system that solved this problem satisfyingly
asciilifeform: whereas on my battlestation, i use ratpoison and a wall of lcd, and anything that spawns windows will look like shit
phf: that sounds like TK problem. like out of the box tk is dog ugly and unpleasant to use, but you can get a designer (an actual one, not like "designer") play with geometries, color and fonts to make it look quite good. i think athena would've benefited from somebody who's not an autist looking at it
asciilifeform: it is about how if i am cooking in a kitchen, there should be NO human shit in the sink
phf: i'm pretty sure athena in mcclim is not even real athena, but rather a simulation, because that was gui state of the art when mcclim started
phf: and clozure for their experimental product, which i'm not sure if that ended up getting delivered. that was like a separate ticketing system for some canadian airline
gabriel_laddel: nfi - it has a bunch of C, so I skipped it
phf: just curious if it's in a working state
mircea_popescu: altogether the attempt to make a "web browser" work seems educational (read : selffuckstick) than anything. we don't even want tcp to survive, let alone html, css or js.
asciilifeform: ideally it would be over a crossover Gb ethernet cable.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: consider a headless x, where you have to connect from outside the box
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what are you using for a framebuffer ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 18:49 yangwao: well. Holiday programmer who just found bad implementation in libsodium (a.k.a C implementation of NaCl)
gabriel_laddel: gentoo with CLIM as the default graphics library, conkeror (emacs style browser) and a bunch of math goodies more or less
asciilifeform: (a potentially useful thing, but quite certainly not the demolition spoken of earlier)
asciilifeform: iirc gabriel_laddel's project was a kind of improved gentoo ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: terrible atm - cannot generate a initial ram filesystem that works correctly :/
asciilifeform: what's a holiday programmer ?
yangwao: well. Holiday programmer who just found bad implementation in libsodium (a.k.a C implementation of NaCl) ☟︎
thestringpuller: jihan wu, bout to lose a lot of money.
mircea_popescu: basically, every culture has a "women on sale" marketplace. the egyptians stick them in shops, if you got money to buy goods maybe you got money for an extra cowsy ? the italians of the pre-roosevelt era stuck them in this bizarre field job.
mircea_popescu: (she's being a mondina)
asciilifeform: (luby himself opened up a troll shop, it seems)
trinque: yes, but at least he'll have a new hoverboard with fans that never spin down
shinohai: "A William P. Tatem Elementary School teacher called police on June 16 after a third-grader said a fellow student made a racist comment about brownies" Good to know we are safe.
mircea_popescu: im just sad i don't have a 9gag account.
mircea_popescu: "argentina has a night life", "romantic comedies", whatever the fuck, all of it belongs on imgur.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that was a /lot/ of setup.
ben_vulpes: hysterical hodgepodge of a language.