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mircea_popescu: but yes, if you run a php interpreter you've got a windows box, pretty much. state of
the art in empire.
mircea_popescu: spyked,
there's a reason
they put all
the blogs on
the same one box :D
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: spyked how about
THIS definition for
the operating system : "that set of code
that is
trusted implicitly".
this
then makes EVERYTHING on a windows machine operating system, which i contend is right and proper --
the necessary result of opaque monolith systems design is universalization of
the os.
mircea_popescu: in strict
terms, i believe
that is a pretty
tight php implementation of ftp. "shouldn't exist", maybe, whatever.
there it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not directly evident
to me
this is rubbish,
though i never used it.
mircea_popescu: ahh,
the pleasure of ~being able
to reference
these~.
thanks phf!
a111: Logged on 2018-06-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spyked, re
the other
thing, i expect
the item can be both massively
trimmed and significantly improved still.
the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why
this exact line for each line". i
think it's entirely possible even
the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be".
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, you're still doing
the eulora computer
thing ?
☟︎ spyked: buuut... yeah, sometimes smartphone os lets user do 2
things at a
time: listen
to music while instagramming.
spyked: the downside is a horrible drain on battery (and
there wasn't much of
that
to go with it in
the first place), but eh,
they made
their choices.
mircea_popescu: right. i was discussing
the former. which, contrary
to hopes&aspirations, owns
the market.
spyked: afaik ios (the other smartphone os besides android) runs on 1 hardware platform and
the os doesn't multitask (or maybe it does in
the newer versions? hell if I know). while all other smartphones besides apple's run android, and
there's some diversity in
the hardware platforms, which is why
they based
the os on
the kernel
that "runs on everything".
spyked: mircea_popescu, re. smartphone, everytime I bring
the "why use linux shitstack with so many layers of abstraction for mere phone" argument
to certain ppl,
they're all "oh, but it runs on so many devices". and I guess
they're right in a certain way. gotta keep 'em busy, give 'em "choices", or at least
the illusion
thereof.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:37 asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not say
this
to raise mircea_popescu's blood pressure, but strictly out of
truth.
mircea_popescu: ~hypertext preprocessor~. wtf are you going
to do ? do you want hypertext or don't you ? do you want separable parts or don't you ? it's a
triangle, right, a) well specified
tasks ; b) separable parts ; c) no glue needed. pick
two.
mircea_popescu: take
the obvious "wtf is with your >80 char lines omfg". well.. php is what's with it. hence
the whole "it's a scripting language built atop a webotron,
to glue it
to a rmdbs, whadda ya want"
mircea_popescu: spyked, re
the other
thing, i expect
the item can be both massively
trimmed and significantly improved still.
the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why
this exact line for each line". i
think it's entirely possible even
the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (not ~usefully~, obviously. it still runs all
the various inca probing bullshit every cycle, of course)
mircea_popescu: "smart"phones for dumb people ; can only do 1
thing at a
time, and
that's it. no remanence, let alone permanence.
mircea_popescu: do you know, by
the way,
they've managed
to do away with multitasking ?
mircea_popescu: word. stalinism without stalin, how
the fuck is
this even possible.
spyked: anyway, given my limited experience with wp (nowadays I just lul at
the attackers from republic of moldova
trying
to gain wp-admin access for
the old blog), I am ready
to admit
that mp-wp's may be
the optimal permeability of
this membrane. I was even
tempted
to switch
to mp-wp, but I'm hoping
to see
trilema antispam implemented in Lisp at some point in
the future.
mircea_popescu: should billiardaires even
talk
to
the lowly bank clerks on
the internets ? just how haughty shall we get before
there's really nothing left
to
talk about ?
mircea_popescu: so my question
to you is : should someone who ~doesn't even own a computer~ (because no, her retarded "iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 11_2 like Mac OS X)" eminently is not a computer, nor anything even remotely LIKE mac os x) be allowed
to comment ?
spyked: will have
to give it a second pass
to make some notes,
the variety of subjects discussed blew my mind a bit.
spyked: spend
to obtain sane blogging
tool").
a111: Logged on 2018-06-05 16:50 mircea_popescu: "thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more
than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits.
there's a reason for
this.
the fact
that
trilema is comfortable
to me provides
those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage
that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance.
t spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820747 <-- I dun disagree at all. as far as
the
thought experiment goes, I still wonder,
though, whether
those edges of productivity follow from *all*
the lines of mp-wp code and is more
than
the sum of each, or whether
there's a lot of extra crud in
there. perhaps overly naively/boyishly at
the
time, I started my (still ongoing) experiment
the other way around ("what is
the minimum number of lines
to
☝︎ spyked: the question stemmed from "what are valid inputs for blogotron?", which led
to "should comments be permitted for anons, or should
they be predicated upon identity?". otherwise I very much like
the current organization and I believe
that venues
that don't allow inline commenting (such as
thetarpit in its current state) are only "half blogs", not fully.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-05 16:42 mircea_popescu: spyked,
the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able
to live comments ? something in
the vein of "if every
tree was carved any
time anyone on
the
trail
thought about some girl, we'd have
toothpick forests" ?
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820744 <-- yes, although I'm personally not convinced one way or
the other. my q is, should "allcomers" (e.g. people without WoT presence) even be able
to comment? I don't know, maybe
the question itself has no merit, mircea_popescu is of course much more qualified
than me
to establish
this.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-05 16:37 phf: resolves
to 82.79.58.192 for me
phf: heh, i need
that scope feature, but also a better query parser. (from:TomServo) (from:ascii "sshd") scope:15
phf: asciilifeform: is
the usb plug on ROC purely power, or it also does
tty?
phf: asciilifeform: right, not all of
the svgs have multiline base64. and you'll notice
that some of
the files have windows newlines. i
think mp-wp codebase is
the one
that would benefit
the most from
the autoformat
tool discussed in logs..
BingoBoingo: I have a pretty good idea of which corners of
the feria
the kitchen will be outfitted from.
ben_vulpes: (nor do i know how i'd have cleaned
the
thing, had i
tried
to use it)
ben_vulpes: place i rented had
the weirdest damn nonstick pan: it had a nonstick coating but
then an elevated metal grate atop
the coating
ben_vulpes: i felt
the same way about
the keys in buenos aires
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No,
the point is
that it is a giant, visually impressive style of key, but
the lock parts it engages with are palpable with
the
tip of
the pinky finger.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is
there a selection anchor missing from
the key link?
mircea_popescu: this'd be
the problem. yes in
the old days
there was
the lich and all
that discussion. but fucking mind you
that koschei was A WARRIOR in his fucking youth.
phf: well, it's
the old age comes for us all, none of
them want
to be césar luciani, and very few prepared
to knowingly don
the armor one last
time and die under
the hail of arrows so
to speak. (and i'm giving
them a lot of credit here as far as how
they lived
to begin with)
mircea_popescu: and
this is not something
they ever notice. and so fucking on, bleah.
mircea_popescu: and
their improvements always are
the same
tired old farmwife bs.
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck would people who ~fundamentally disenjoy~ something nevertheless want
to be "high profile" in it...
this part is incomprehensible. really,
talking
to people is something you dislike doing and
then you figure you wanna be a "high profile blogger" ? "yes mp, because it's all about shaping
the landscape, not enjoying
the landscape". right ? fucktard mcdullardson is going
to ~improve~ upon how
the world works.
mircea_popescu: hence imbecile nonsense a la "paywall garden". because no, steve jobs ain't no fucking genius, he came up with
the exact same idiocy every group of idle 18yos came up with.
mircea_popescu: it's
this specific breakage,
the web keeps exposing.
there's apparently
two ends
to
the pendulum : on one hand,
the net routes around damage ; on
the other hand,
the more it does
that,
the more excited
the damage gets about getting in
the way.
mircea_popescu: myeah. but it's so mean, you know, "oh, if we
turn off comments
then nobody will be able
to rise
to
the
top anymore ha-HA!!! we figured out something fundamental here!"
phf: well, it's how many childhood games have
the notion of a charm, a special word
that gives you coveted status, without further strife. "base", "not it", "shotgun", etc. likewise
the idea
that once you're king, it's just wine and dancing girls for
the rest of your life.
the labeling game on which
the whole house of cards is built.
mircea_popescu: btw, i hope
that's adequate payment for all
the j/p spam ?
mircea_popescu: ti's very much highschooler syndrome. "oh, i guess we're
the seniors now" "why ?" "do you see any other seniors in
the cafeteria ?" "well, not in
the cafeteria you go
to" "word."
mircea_popescu: "high profile bloggers" figure status and performance should be divorceable.
this happens about 2-3
times every decade, with a new crop of "high profile bloggers" who a) misjudge
their status and b) figure
they'll discover shit.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dangling em in
the footnotes
phf: i
think anti-comment is a recent (3-4 years) argument, started by a bunch of "high profile bloggers", who, after running into some heavy polemic,
turned off
the comments on
their sites.
the argument was
then picked up by
the various "minimalist" blogging systems (we can't be arsed
to implement comments, but kottke said
they are useless anyway)
mircea_popescu: you wanna drive cars
that make you love driving and wanting
to drive, not jalopys
that encourage you sitting on
the couch. and
the same for everything everywhere.
the stories about kids ruined for school because couldn't see and no glasses aren't made up,
this was
the scourge of a generation. and on it goes.
mircea_popescu: there's coffee machines
that make you not really want any coffee.
this is not merely a bad coffee machine.
mircea_popescu: in short,
that's a ~HUMONGOUS~ cost, if
the "mechanical support" alters
the result from +
to -.
mircea_popescu: his is not a small matter, but in fact
the only large matter.
mircea_popescu: "thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more
than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits.
there's a reason for
this.
the fact
that
trilema is comfortable
to me provides
those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage
that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance.
t ☟︎ mircea_popescu: commentary is
the heart of
the european intellectual
tradition ; originally it seemed like such a step forward
to have
this commentary sorted by subject rather
than, in
the old style, by author. and
the
technology allowing it seemed genuinely revolutionary for
this reason, exactly in
the vein of plumbing.
mircea_popescu: spyked,
the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able
to live comments ? something in
the vein of "if every
tree was carved any
time anyone on
the
trail
thought about some girl, we'd have
toothpick forests" ?
☟︎ phf: i like
trinque's approach of publishing deeded hosts, requires vigilance on part of log reader, but at
the end
there's a canonical place we can fallback
to, in case