94300+ entries in 0.712s
phf: asciilifeform:
i'll fix it next. since it's all write from scratch
i just need to figure out how to case insensitive boyer moore
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ACK, and that is cool.
i do understand re. master actually working *against* learned helplessness models, at least an *actual* master anyway hm
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure.. well hm,
i can see what you mean; dunno if example is sound, but
i prob know even less about pastry heh
Framedragger:
i mean you do sometimes want case sensitivity yknow;
i guess question's regarding the default
mircea_popescu: but while
i don't for a second suspect you of gender politics, nevertheless, there you go, you did it to them. what now.
diana_coman: by this model,
I'd say that those poor students
I failed were actually trying to apply exactly mircea_popescu 's approach!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
i chose it specifically because it can not be "conceptually" learned.
mircea_popescu: here's the problemn with this : at first, girl "just doesn'tr have" information on how to bake pastries. then she gets beaten (rarely), corrected (often, but in specific punctual detail) and made to work. then, magically, and
i can't underscore this enough, MAGICALLY, she now HAS!!! the information.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:26 mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out,
i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
mircea_popescu: (
i dunno how much you know / care about early industrialization - but it was ~all women)
mircea_popescu: otherwise,
i can't imagine who'd ever have wanted men for any purpose.
diana_coman:
I guess the thing is that if one abandons this ideal of always true, the question that arises immediately is why then not train actual people in the first place instead of building something else to..train like people
Framedragger: is that related to this currently discussed notion of "insisting on hard non-failing truth == unrealistic autism" (with which
i agree)?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: do you mean Dolly the cloned sheep?
i've heard of it, but only just
diana_coman: it's actually part of why
I quickly became disenchanted with the whole AI school (well, all of them really):
I don't get why the focus on *always right* when no living intelligence (which is supposedly the model in any case) is *always* right
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
i have yet to see him talk other than by himself in a room. were you hear for the discussion of brin the elder ?
Framedragger: (e.g.
i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which
I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out,
i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
☟︎ Framedragger: ..prolly easier to wait for generic a.
i. and then just have it mesh with brainz, heh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my slavegirls aren't tools, they're people. why should my computers be tools ?
i've only two hands.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so
i've heard! never approached it, sadly / to my detriment
mircea_popescu: because the major trick here is - what
i say isn't ACTUALLY ambiguous. it just requires very fine interpretation, which meshes well with a machine. in any case meshes well with the epistemic process that makes people engineers,
Framedragger: ..some kind of generic knowledge tree processing thing / semantic systems. someone must have made a small stab at this..
i mean there are natural language processing toolkits which build up context and work beyond straightforward syntax..
i don't know how well they are doing
mircea_popescu: which is why
i'm saying, there's not much actionable here. but just because
i dunno what to do with it doesn't mean
i don't get drunk and dream.
mircea_popescu: and no, this isn't cheap "do what
i mean"-ism. when
i say "the flower is blue and round is the sky", the notion that the flower is ROUND is invalidated not by what
I mean, but by what everything means.
Framedragger: the case with rsa keys - it would be very difficult to write it up / interpret it as per your idea though,
i think? unless the case was explicitly declared before, and that would break the whole idea (negative meaning, not (only) positive/exhaustive meaning)
mircea_popescu: and
i don't think it is ever acceptable for machine to make shitty rsa keys "because that's what
i told it to".
mircea_popescu: when
i teach my not-so-new-anymore slavegirls how to think, a large chunk consists of "interpreting what is said" which all revolves around "build tree of all possible meanings, prune all meanings contradicted".
mircea_popescu: MOST of the power of trilema relies on exactly this, that
I don't have to IFDEF and DECLARE and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, the "fucking hell who ever heard of a program that wants you to specify what you don't know" essay.
i recall it, and imo it is very much substantial to my complaint.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: not necessarily from godel! some kind of diagonalization may be reconstructed,
i'm sure/heard. but being able to handle some classes or problems is interesting in itself.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
i can't stand his conventional bullshit. he dared criticise (young) caraqiale for "poor morals" in plays ? the schmuck borrowed on his income months in advance to dress up and bullshit like that. he has a massive vein of "never got over mom" that
i loathe in writers.
diana_coman:
I never quite got what you had so much against eminovici really
mircea_popescu: you know, by the way, re my recent failed attempt to interact with the master,
i found last week a notation from romania's genius poet EXPLAINIG THE SAME THING ?
diana_coman:
I don't quite follow your analogy there
I think
mircea_popescu: but then again that's the sort of why an' wherefore the kids think
i'm an asshole.
mircea_popescu: from my brief stint in publishing,
i wouldn't swear the expert editor is less a contributor in the average book than the average author.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman irl it worked as, to quote famous wilde tidbit, "
i leave it to you to to fix the here's and there's".
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful that
i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw the diffe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an ideal output,
i would like a debian distro that says "you can't possibly mean to make these keys out of 32k sets ?!"
mircea_popescu: (and in this sense,
i view eg the debian key disaster thing as collapse, exactly like the tay bridge failure say)
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only?
i think there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic truth-values? weasel words, would need to check, but wouldn't have thought it to have been a "brief spell" only?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: nothing actionable or useful that
i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes.
mircea_popescu:
i dunno, don't get me wrong, fucking larry drove me nuts, "open door", seriously ?
mircea_popescu: but
i meant in the general, as a theoretical possibility. how the fuck...
mircea_popescu: (and yes,
i'm studiously not setting foot on the ground you suggest - because you'd vaporize my entire thing in five seconds. so let's sit over here where it's safe.)
mircea_popescu: but the basis here is indisputable : if trilema were equally sized code,
i'd be dead trying to maintain it.
mircea_popescu: basically, instead of trying to achieve the moon-height skyscraper by investing in material rigidity, invest instead in a sort of... fault tolerance
i guess you'd call it.
diana_coman:
I was just stating that
I actually applied my definition, it's not just some random thing
I came up with now
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> damn
i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah,
I know; thing is also: they shouldn't have gotten that high to fail basically, not that many
mircea_popescu:
i dunno,
i'm wrong all the fucking time, at least as far as
i can see.
i guess not usually on thosethings people'd much rather
i were wrong on
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was not here for the famous xor thread
i guess.
mircea_popescu: damn
i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail.
mircea_popescu:
i wanted to fail the whole philosophy 101 class. mihu didn't think it such a good idea. short teaching career for me, thankfully.
Framedragger: now
i know that some things should be taken in jest, metaphorically, generically, etc. still,
i say "lol".
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:32 hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but
i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 << this
i agree with! however, be it as it may
i've never seen mp graciously accept to being wrong on some point. now, that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta times,
i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g. the chinese konspiraci thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and then later mircea_popescu says the theory is legit becau
☝︎ diana_coman: in my days at uni
I failed students precisely because of trying that idea
diana_coman: asciilifeform> other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass. <- fwiw
I don't think that those are programmers
hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but
i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
☟︎ hanbot: for that matter Framedragger
i start on that dpaste out of curiosity, run into "Getting out of the way: The most basic level is based on avoidingchallenging others’ delusions, and factoring them into your own thinking. The “organizing” merely involves arranging matters so things and people you care about are moved out of the way of an impending train wreck."
hanbot: "ftr when he joined this place, it was purely about business and so was he. later he was wrapping business in propaganda, which is tolerable, as the core is solid. now he is wrapping propaganda in business wrap, at which point it becomes intolerable for any reasonable mind." <<
i don't, for example, seem to remember the same thing. at all.
hanbot:
i find the hypocrisy outrageous. so
i guess
i care.
hanbot: lol kakobrekla is still in his self-justifying tailspin
i see?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 09:54 mircea_popescu: ps : why is "common wisdom" in agreement that "no man could possibly hold 1mn lines of code in head" when
i actually have 10mn words worth of trilema articles in my head ?
Framedragger: from what
i recall IPCC is ripe with corruption
Framedragger: yeahyeah the whole weather modelling in the future based on specific chosen parameters and models is hilarious, and gets regurgitated by media etc,
i too have general aversion to this; does not mean that all of it is useless but hell if they don't show how they got there then that's even more ridiculous
Framedragger:
i suppose this is "fuck you am dragon" territory?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger are these the "fuck you,
i'm a dragon" nuts ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, they added another coupla letters to "lgbt" ?
i wonder how long before it smashes the stack.
Framedragger:
i just wanted to quote this exact sentence lol - yeah another fruity area
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: if you mean "nobody smart", then that's one thing, but if you mean in terms of actual numbers, then
i'd probably have to disagree. shitloads of ecdsa ssh host public keys anyway (stats and breakdown to be published at some point in teh future)
Framedragger: "After realising
I have a public key database of most users on GitHub,
I remembered back to the May 2008 Debian OpenSSH bug, where the randomness source was compromised to the point where the system could only generate one of 32k keys in a set.
I used g0tmi1k’s set of keys to compare against what
I had in my database, and found a very large amount of users who are still using vulnerable keys, and even worse, have commit access to some