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a111: Logged on 2016-02-18 22:21 gabriel_laddel: I have a few obligations to take care of here in the US first.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 13:58 mircea_popescu: the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm".
mircea_popescu: and speaking of jennifers : i can report partial data on a multi-year research project. of the "internet demographic" (under 30, poor, intelligent, educated, ambitious - the sort that supplies the seo experts, hackers, camwhores etc), 93% (of 2274) males and 2% (of 741) females actually heard of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: and in this context there exists a correctness, "what do we make the rail out of ?" "well, minimum mass of functional steam engine is 1 ton, so i guess something rigid enough ; but also can't be friable must be ductile.
mircea_popescu: the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm". ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2014/11/18/how-casinos-cheat-part-ii-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose << lulzy
mircea_popescu: i'm not required to show you a 1980s mercedes sedan in 1882 to explain why the fuck cars are a thing.
mircea_popescu: dude. i gave you an example of cars and horses to explain how TECHNOLOGY IS REPLACED FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE FRUIT TREE UP
asciilifeform: now i must sleep a bit, expedition to the bmore epicentre tomorrow, but i will return to this.
asciilifeform: i bet 500kg of beetle is cheaper than horse
asciilifeform: i was addressing the 'replace my comp' aspect
mircea_popescu: and while i have no doubt seti@home are imbeciles, nevertheless the problem is well solved. voting etc.
mircea_popescu: take the obvious example : the reddit thing. can i do it on n boxes, indiferently ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see much of a problem.
mircea_popescu: but i do not propose it's usable as is by any means.
asciilifeform: anyway i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu re 'delocalized computing is spiffy'. simply must pointout that we ~don't have it~ and that all of the proposed mechanisms put us no closer to it.
mircea_popescu: code is not things, which is why whether i;d download a car or not has no fucking bearing on that discussion.
asciilifeform: last i checked computing, like shooting, was still something we do on sadly physical and very limited contraptions.
mircea_popescu: maybe i shoot him with my penis.
mircea_popescu: maybe i do it with a ion gun, for all you know.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what comes out of it. just as long as the process is correct, come what may will be fine.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you've lived a life dealing with people who want a certain thing to come out of babbage's machine. fine.
asciilifeform: 'i have this pistol because IT IS HUGE mutherfackerz'
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to import usg.retardation for any reason.
asciilifeform: now i'm lost
mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think our scheme necessarily allows to know WHICH it was even if you confiscate them all.
asciilifeform: i.e. they were not able to confiscate and search every box in ipv4 space to see which was sr
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, the point of 'can't connect event with physical box' is to make usg inquisitions prohibitively expensive
mircea_popescu: go ahead, i'll listen.
asciilifeform: and yes, it is on. i personally watched usg blow ~50mil on homomorphicola, to 0 result.
asciilifeform: i' clearly missing sumthing
mircea_popescu: EVEN omfg i gotta spell what i say out for you ?
asciilifeform: where i noted that 'jailed for child pr0nz' only EVER happens to folks who a) need to have problemz b) plebe meat to keep the blades greased
mircea_popescu: "i fuck my wife every morn and every evening, she's not yet run out of cunt". what if she had ?!
mircea_popescu: nor i.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand the problem with the pretense : sword cuts both ways, before you know it, i'm using it to cut their heads.
mircea_popescu: that i have the option to fuck any woman in town does in no conceivable way reduce to me being married to every woman that ever lived.
asciilifeform: i dun find electrical communism, where i somehow need some derps across the town to add my own 2+2 and save the result, any more appealing than the other kinds.
asciilifeform: the fork i eat with is physics
asciilifeform: at any rate i was excluded from various things, like felt top hats, long ago, and will doubtless be excluded from other nice things, like forks and livers, in the future, but it does not follow that random rubbish now logically substitutes for the missing items.
asciilifeform: if he homomorphic thing existed, i would be inclined to agree with mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: do i need dirigible to have fork in my kitchen ?
mircea_popescu: (no, i've no proof, nor signature, etc etc)
mircea_popescu: here, i don't know this to be the case, moreover i suspect otherwise.
mircea_popescu: i am in general more than happy to go into "don't interrupt - mistake" mode, whenever i know this to be the case.
asciilifeform: i was wondering what we want it to do, that can later not be disrupted etc.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in the sense of "this is what we're trying to accomplish". there's a few drivers ; and logically some likely outcomes. should i enumerate ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to extract a sentence out of your last two lines.
asciilifeform: thus far i can't offer anything but same stone knife and bear skin mircea_popescu offers.
asciilifeform: so far i also feel foolish because unable to come up with any serious improvement over traditional 20th c chumpnet.
phf: so i'm just trying to understand better the original objections
phf: asciilifeform: you're more attached to dismissing symmetric, then i am to preserving it
asciilifeform: but yes, the only topologies i know of for this are the traditional star, with 'signed by fuhrer - blob runs, no - not' or ... reimplementing bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you want contact to my uci interface, we agree in advance, and i whitelist your key.
phf: a symmetric-key algorithm is my point, say aes, since i don't know any better
mircea_popescu: i certainly see the argument re SMALL.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying that we are, but WHY NOT must be stated, and in such a way 107 iq guy in 2049 reading this understands exactly wtf.
ben_vulpes: i imagined that each installed worker process would listen for orders from only one key, which'd handle billing.
ben_vulpes: like i'm five?
mircea_popescu: more along these lines i'm thinking.
mircea_popescu: no i know, it's not on you ; just, the matter has to be discuss't.
mircea_popescu: i think it's time to bury that corpse, it smells.
mircea_popescu: anyway. uci is not gossipd. there is a good reason to implement gossipd OVER uci, but on the uci layer the thing shouldn't be concerned with this kind of security i don't thinl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the tor model is, other than its many implementation warts, fundamentally broken i think.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm thinking a "independent nodes" sort of botnet, as opposed to the zombie windowze thing usually run
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as i understand: by signing and broadcasting a message.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a good enough model to propse anything yet, hence the questions
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i would expect there'd have to be a management language for this.
mircea_popescu: it must be capable to open a socket i think.
shinohai: also, here's how to enjoy cheap rum mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/GeHPuNb.jpg
BingoBoingo: I dunno I'm thinking about a "weather" category nao
shinohai: It's mpex I believe, 404 here.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 18:48 hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
mircea_popescu: it's always a little disappointing when i hit the last lines of the logs ;/
mircea_popescu: heresy, i know. but it's a square.
mircea_popescu: so i posit to you that your problem is not even slightly a matter of "wrong knife", along the lines of, "if only i had hyfdrofluoric acid - could melt glass", but more of low energy. you wish to amass moar power not more knowledge, to dent teh pot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i offer the knife whereby we cut them off, like defective siamese twin, from actual people.
asciilifeform: jurov: it helps with 'i walked in here to buy borosilicate kettle'
jurov: i dun see how spectroscope helps with "it-must-be-called-pyrex"
jurov: so I think it's just some UStards latched on "pyrex" and are rightly milked by brand owner
jurov: it's widely used here and I never heard it failed because of cold/heat
jurov: i did not do them yet
jurov: i did break some, but always mechanically, never by heat/cold cycle
jurov: i dunno wtf is this all about. here borosilicate glassware like this is cheaply and widely available, i use it every day, it's suitable even for open flame http://www.panvice.sk/kanvica-svatava-1-5-litra-simax.html
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494324 << i had carbide-oxygen blowtorch, blew own glass for my private chemistry lab as a 12yo! ☝︎
trinque: I guess now if you went in it'd read "from his pair of shoes he was trying to sell"
mircea_popescu: if i were a younger, innocent verision of myself, like the quoted alf has the unspeakable advantage of being, i'd disbelieve this story.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494318 << speaking of which, i went into a shoe repair shop here the other day for laces (which are not sold in shoe stores, mind you). they had one. not one pair, one shoelace. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494313 << wait, i'm confused. you... live in buenos aires ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 16:02 ascii_deadfiber: i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)? ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, i finally found some properly greedy folk in bmore willing to show me some boxez
trinque: ey ben_vulpes, can I get you to crank that knob in nginx sometime today?
asciilifeform: i must point out, glass is seldom used in chemical industry proper
shinohai: asciilifeform I suppose to not have equipment send flying shards of glass and nasty chemiclas all into face
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i had an idea re pyrex, a few yrs ago
gabriel_laddel: I for one would like to be able to buy pyrex, and not the re-branded crap either.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i've worked glass.
asciilifeform: the very same! i missed it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 << dunno about other folx but i have a parachute packed for this. ☝︎