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asciilifeform: fabio__: understand, also, that someone who offers you a more complicated (i.e. more moving parts) cryptosystem without ~justification~, is attempting to compromise your security, no less than if he were stalking in your garden under the cover of night bristling with cameras and antennae
asciilifeform: and yes, we had a thread
nosuchlabswww: Havent been in a irc since 1999. Brings back memories.
asciilifeform: most recently, a battery that nearly turned to a frag in my pocket
asciilifeform: i use a buncha stuff
asciilifeform: there is not such a thing as 'we used for x years and no reported problem.' quite conceivably the correct yamamoto has simply not yet flown.
fabio__: yep. a little
asciilifeform: in a crypto break, you, your family, the onlookers, everyone you give half a shit about - can be corpses, for 25 years, and ~not know~
asciilifeform: if a bridge collapses, or reactor melts down, you will know it
asciilifeform: the burden of proof is one the folks proposing to replace a simple system with few moving parts (rsa) with a larger and gnarlier item
asciilifeform: (its appearance in bitcoin is, contrary to popular delusion, not a reason)
asciilifeform: well, for starters, i'd like a compelling reason to even ~entertain~ ecc in the first place.
mircea_popescu: unlike bob, nobody on a stick and sam altman own nothing, and have nothing to lose. they sleep in ~prison / airbnb as it is.
asciilifeform: by a registered lizard
asciilifeform: (i wrote to a few)
asciilifeform: or simply differing approaches. 'problem' posed: 'someone shat in my garden.' hn algo: 'burn with flamethrower, shoot witnesses' reddit algo: 'empty honeywagon on top of it, have whole platoon drop trou and take a shit in turn on it for good measure'
asciilifeform: i, for one, do not care how many degrees, and from what rotten institutions, such a swindler has.
fabio__: so ECC is new and still unproven, wereas RSA is well understood and a safer bet
asciilifeform: one of these bargains is that you cannot build a career as a university academic with 'use rsa, kthx, bye'
fabio__: and in reference to #2 the point of contention is equivalent strength with RSA for a given bitlength?
BingoBoingo: But until he registers a key and bros out here questionable in his respectability as he lacks a declaration of allegiance.
BingoBoingo: WHo could tell over the noise, twas a voice vote!
mircea_popescu: oh, sorry, was there a consensus ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand. << OpenSSL is, OpenSSH is collateral damage
mircea_popescu: openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand.
mircea_popescu: be wary of consensi generally, for it rarely is more than a device in late night tv commercials.
fabio__: ok, I didn't realise there was not a consensus.
mircea_popescu: the republic doesn't, nor does any lord that i know of, recommend using ecc in any serious capacity. that's the community. otherwise, if you wish to say "i trust djb and whatever he says i'll take" this is fine, but it's a matter of personal investment not "community" nonsense.
asciilifeform: fabio__: the cryptographic side of the question is two-pronged. there is a set of 1) questionable actors making 2) questionable claims (e.g., of equivalence of n-bit ecc with m-bit rsa, n<m) with zero public substantiation
mircea_popescu: what is your idea of a "community" ?
fabio__: There has been quite a bit of noise about ECC NIST curves (nistp256, nistp384, nistp521) being tampered with by the NSA. I thought using ECC was all good if you don't use the NIST curves and instead use community approved curves like Curve25519 and Curve1174 by like DJB and friends, or other approved ones at https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/. ☟︎
fabio__: number one on the faq has a bit saying replacing RSA with ECC is not a good idea:
mircea_popescu: altogether a funny thing, especially in the sense that these idiots learned ~nothing in five centuries.
mircea_popescu: they were ~accidentally~ supplied to de witt in a pile of other documents. which resulted in some beheadings.
mircea_popescu: but they also drew up plans for overthrowing the republic's government, in a very muchly amusing color revolution (the future english king was to come from the house of Orange, you realise!)
mircea_popescu: then they induced the bishop of munster, a sort of medieval thug, to invade the republic, under promise of "large subsidies". those subsidies never materialized, being promised by the broke-ass anglos as they were ; brandenburg moved in from the east and the naive turk uh i mean bishop of munster was forced to a rather disfavourable peace for his trouble / idiotic naivity.
mircea_popescu: but obviously the english ordered ships they couldn't possibly pay for and called this "a cash problem". to be resolved by privateers - except the dutch privateers were both better and more productive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the curious amateur historian may be well served by a review of the 2nd anglo-dutch war. some underlined parts : the anglos were deeply overextended politically - their crummy country consisting of one single town and a bunch of retarded peasants ; while the republic had many more merchants, with lots more money. in practice this meant that the english could pay for one ship where the dutch could afford seven ; ☟︎
mircea_popescu: also missing, the great american novel. as well as a dictionary of the french language.
asciilifeform: 'Despite a great deal of mathematical work in this field, there is still no general theory of cryptography, Blaze posited. He called this “one of the dirty secrets of cryptography.”'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform two points here being that a) the "global dragnet" is much more difficult to use than you imagine ; and much less productive, being more of a prestige item than a tool of any sort ; b) they're discussing a specific item. if i ask you how many stovetops you have in your house you wouldn't count the roof, notwithstanding the sun heating it is, energetically, more significant.
asciilifeform: would have to grow a central nervous system first, neh ?
mircea_popescu: any time this "hitler" grows a pair, he can come over and we can have a chat.
mircea_popescu: somehow a plain reading is never within the purview of militant idiocy.
asciilifeform: e purposefully, but it is also possible for someone to genuinely forget it, and this is left to a judge to decide. If “failure to decrypt your device” leads to indefinite jail time, Kerr asked, is that an outcome we are willing to accept?' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: 'Given the difficulty of opening a post-iOS 8 phone or a similarly protected device, investigators are now forced to turn to other methods. Kerr pointed to a case in the Third Circuit Court of Appeals of a former police officer allegedly dealing in child pornography who would not divulge his computer passcode; he is currently being detained with no clear end date. Kerr noted that it is quite possible for someone to withhold a passcod
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin. << Indeed, as presented
asciilifeform: ( original at http://cryptome.org/2016/08/nap-encryption-gov-access.pdf if anyone gives half a shit )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract.... ☟︎
gribble: Error: "go-home-gribble-you're-drunk" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "-!-!" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if my dungeon videos ever leak there's going to be a ~100mn or so new cases of apoplexy that year ?
asciilifeform: it is almost as good a test as what colour winnie pooh is, in a given country
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing is almost a litmus test for anglo penetration
mircea_popescu: do these idiots not have a language or what the fuck is their problem already.
asciilifeform: i watched a few min, it was a snore, turned off
mircea_popescu: holy shit these idiots! ITS A TOPLESS WOMAN AT A POOL PARTY!
asciilifeform: phf: i rewatched it just a few yrs ago!
phf: asciilifeform: just a reminder that this exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZodexUkiDI
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what nobody on a stick's idea of anything is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this is shaping up to being a pretty great autumn really.
asciilifeform: aaalso apparently multisig is really a beautiful thing
shinohai: Also, I think I'd use doorknob and string before visiting a dentist in that building.
deedbot: [Trilema] Las Esquinas de Vidal (Cursos de Copulacion y Copizdacion a Domicilio) - http://trilema.com/2016/las-esquinas-de-vidal-cursos-de-copulacion-y-copizdacion-a-domicilio/
shinohai: More lulz: "There were a number of security practices that were in place to make this the most secure, yet transparent way of securing funds and we used the company that prides itself and specializes in bitcoin storage. How these practices were bypassed, we're still investigating."
phf: mircea_popescu: "рубить", "топор" has a very nice sound to it in russian, which is that of something crude, rough, but also to the point. can string a few of those together with a lot of breaks and pauses to get a feeling of "honest" crudeness or somesuch
mircea_popescu: hatchet in romanian, yeah. except there's also "om din topor" ie "man of the hatchet", which just means a crude fellow.
mircea_popescu: hey, if they can name a school/street/urinal a pushkin, what's to keep them from naming a gulag v maiakovski
asciilifeform: how much woman is in a wilde ?
mircea_popescu: an orwell of bedwetting is defined as that quantity of bedwetting sufficient to give a wilde of a woman a single white hair.
asciilifeform: and let's say i propose 'the aristotle' as a unit of tautological circularity.
mircea_popescu: and note that naming the tolkien for tolkien isn't blaming him for the gulag. merely recognising his intricacy in the civilisation-masquerading-as-a-culture that spawned him.
asciilifeform: maybe phf. i'm not a fan.
mircea_popescu: there's a quanta of energy, a token of friendship and a tolkien of usg.aspie h&d.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's a toss-up whether it can't produce great stories because no ads or because being mean.
asciilifeform: i do wonder how a boeck is paid - per word? for 'result' ?
gribble: Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 20:57 boolcrap: like a box of gold coins burried in 1740
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513170 << from what i hear that's more of a curse in the us of a. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: imagine how pointless it is to attempt to band-aid a 9-month old's fingers.
trinque: a sweet
mircea_popescu: a ty
asciilifeform: there ought to be a mod that turns the thing open when you press it just-so and turns into a stealthy weapon.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: interestingly - silent, painlessly, thing is literally a knife
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps penalty ought to be a mandatory excursion to usa, to learn how to parallel-park.
mircea_popescu: and there was a quarter mile traffic jam caused by... senor flocop parking.
BingoBoingo: Ah. The five pounder happened on the year of a single sweet potato
boolcrap: i dug up a 1lb potato that was my biggest
boolcrap: like a box of gold coins burried in 1740 ☟︎
diana_coman: phf, in that case basically mircea_popescu has a point anyway and there isn't anywhere to go otherwise; I read it to mean what I said above (so no, not the best etc) - maybe I was just so tolerant as to miss the bullshit entirely
phf: i think that if you approach jrrt as literature and worse start applying literary analysis to it, then mircea_popescu wins in the first round. if you start looking for life lessons and values in jrrt books it's a lot of really dodgy shit
phf: diana_coman: perfectly fit for proper and good life as defined by tolkien, somehow magically fit for all the necessary tasks of the quest. even fighting, like pippin and merry after they are split from fellowship. they are literally only unfit for things that are bad, and even there frodo eventually at the last moment gets corrupted, Let That Be A Warning To You All
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't have a story of arbitrary length ; anything longer than a novel becomes a sludge of separate stories whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman take the story of the whore who wanted to fuck the patriarch. it's a fine story.
phf: if jrrt was just saying "happy in their own world", there probably wouldn't be a story. he makes a point that shire values are best values all throughout the books. gandalf does all kinds of scheming in order to ensure that it's hobbits specifically that participate in the quests, rather than random guy from the street, and it's the kind of values jerome k jerome was making fun of that somehow make hobbits particularly fit for task
mircea_popescu: yes fans. every generation has its thing, orwell tells the story of their infatuation with "a shrophsire lad" (which, for maximal lulz, is actually referenced in, say, a room with a view - old hag actually attempts to discuss florence in terms of a sort of shropshire.)
mircea_popescu: what a qntra day!
diana_coman: I find it actually quite interesting that it's perceived as saying "britain the isolated , small, insignifiant by now island actually matters/is mighty/hero/whatevs" when I read it quite the opposite: as long as they are happy in their own world, they don't matter/contribute nothing/and if they are not interested in the world, the world at some point will be interested in them - and with a big stick at that