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mjr_: if they told someone who they new IRL, how would you find out that they new? I am guessing you have abusiness idea
mjr_: well yeah, if they told people here you may be able to find out about it
mjr_: hmmm difficult with NDA then...you probably are trying to assure they don't tell someone outside of here (i am assuming)
mjr_: contracts are enforced through WoT right?
mjr_: awkorama: nice rocky and bullwinkle reference :)
mjr_: yeah...kinda...i meant more like tcp multicast ie. i can join a group
mjr_: but this is the funnest of all the btc related rooms
mjr_: i will try to integrate an rss feed reader...i think, that could work right? which would be the first to update?
mjr_: i wish someone had multicast market data, that would be so nice
mjr_: and you have to leave money all over the place for long periods of time
mjr_: spot is way too hard
mjr_: moreso to check stat
mjr_: but if it were to place orders i would like it to be as precise as possible
mjr_: i will slow it down
mjr_: i think once every 3 seconds?
mjr_: so i am just grabbing the jsonmarket depth
mjr_: i showed the output, it calculates spread based on lowest ask and highest bid
mjr_: just to check prices
mjr_: speaking of which, do you have any api limits mircea_popescu? i can slow down my bot if you like
mjr_: bitcoin.clarkmoody.com
mjr_: thats what i was thinking...but i think it has a fallback too...
mjr_: thanks smickles but i think i should build up WoT before doing anything like that
mjr_: so i guess it would even make sense at current fees if you transferred enough
mjr_: i was just doing that math
mjr_: i should have done math before i say that
mjr_: as mircea_popescu calculated...it would be very hard to overcome practically any fee
mjr_: i was just always confused why they wouldn't lift the ask
mjr_: thanks for explaining though
mjr_: yeah defintely wouldn't be worth it for arb lol
mjr_: ie. that is more market data
mjr_: i thought these were trades between mpex users...but technically you are just reporting informative trading information from havelock users, correct?
mjr_: ah personal inventory held in mpex
mjr_: that is what doesn't makes sense to me
mjr_: they asked for s.dice at 2.7% higher than the best offer
mjr_: ;; calc 0.00760000/0.00739500
mjr_: i was just curious why they always seem to come in higher than best ask, is that automatically calculated for the size of order they asked for?
mjr_: i wasn't thinking of arbing it
mjr_: you didn't account for the 100 to 1
mjr_: i think that is a great business model, and all orders are denominated in lots of 100 right?
mjr_: so yeah, i get that
mjr_: and i understand about fees
mjr_: management fee...i haven't researched, and i don't know
mjr_: i heard that they keep 5% or something
mjr_: from what i heard last night
mjr_: and i know they have some sort of dividend holding thing going on
mjr_: yes i know...but they again just paid...almost 5% more than market
mjr_: are all orders queued mircea_popescu? ie. one queue for all
mjr_: or at least i would start there and if i needed more would raise price up
mjr_: i would buy S.DICE at .00724519 a share
mjr_: it just seems like havelocks prices that they buy at are noticeably above what we see
mjr_: i'm not sure if they keep their own inventory and you just report for pricing purposes or if whenever they get an order it comes here and is then filled
mjr_: you report havelocks but you can't fill their orders can you? or is that how it works...
mjr_: so i don't know if i want my bot going up against yours lol
mjr_: is this jurov's or yours
mjr_: but for any one specific option it may be tougher to hang in there, though the spread is large enough so it could work out well
mjr_: it would be easy for S.DICE
mjr_: so if you want to get into a market maker position, you have to hope you are there at the right time
mjr_: since there are many different options
mjr_: yes, but when you conflate "options" with S.DICE it isn't fair
mjr_: over at least 6 different instruments
mjr_: and probably what i meant more than that was that in general, those 80,000 may have been 80 orders...
mjr_: i mean that is a range of calls and puts somewhere around the current price
mjr_: is that all options?
mjr_: not sure if "clear" is even applicable in this context
mjr_: but i guess we can consider that we clear immediately?
mjr_: broker shorts are usually what happens in finance
mjr_: yeah i guess since usually you don't clear immediately
mjr_: but i really don't konw
mjr_: actually i had only really heard of 1 that was testing on slush's
mjr_: but i am kinda happy if that's the case cuz it puts my FPGA project back on track