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mircea_popescu: ie, there's an allowance the olympic lizzards make for each country to participate. many of them spend many times more on their teams ; but for shitholes from the country of africa it's actually lucrative in the sense of, pay fiddy bux to local derp to spend a week in a hotel for the first time in his life ; cash in on the olympic committee millionz.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/09/from-the-round-house-on-sallys-pond/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - From the Round House on Sally’s Pond.
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/a-hispano-muslim-embassy-to-the-vikings-in-845-an-account-of-al-ghazals-journey-to-the-north
mircea_popescu: shows what a vibrant space one'd have without the usg.mpaa idjits
asciilifeform: (i haven't any dispute re dns being a work of evil, from day 1, but the rms solution is not a solution and i will continue to laugh)
mircea_popescu: as you might've noticed, i'm the opposite of a micromanager.
mircea_popescu: i so deeply don't give a shit WHY some failure failed.
asciilifeform: 'The website may try to fallback to TLS 1.0 in a way that is no longer allowed in current releases or may be using a deprecated cipher suite.'
mircea_popescu: god it was a riot.
mircea_popescu: tho to be honest mercedessen seems a better plural
asciilifeform: does is 'famous' a mistranslation of some unique nigerian word, or wat
mircea_popescu: "peter john I am giving a testimony of how i become rich and famous today... i was deeply strangled up by poverty and i had no body to help me, and also i search for help from different corners but to no avail. i see people around me getting rich but to me i was so ashamed of my self so i met a man on my way he was very rich and he was a doctor so he told me something and i think over"
trinque: anyhow you packaged it up fine; I just skipped a step
trinque: time for a genesis vpatch!
shinohai: It took a while for me to remember everything but I guess like bike riding and all
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - wp-content for a.
trinque: rss is a piece of shit that descends from the www idiocy
asciilifeform: fact is, irc is NOT a stdout-compatible device.
asciilifeform: trinque: the db is a painful and incurable bottleneck for phuctor, the LAST thing i want is to use it for anything else.
trinque: first item simply connects and stays connected to IRC; second item creates a two-way interface to IRC via pg
a111: Logged on 2016-08-09 12:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517299 << if i had a working lispified phuctor, yes.
asciilifeform: even a very recent europe had idiot circus of ill-specified weights and measures...
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> "a drop" is pipette-able though.
mircea_popescu: "a drop" is pipette-able though.
asciilifeform: 'There he ordered Yirik to pour him out a goblet of wine. "And I warn you," he said, "that you forfeit your head if you pour a drop too much or too little."'
asciilifeform: as a boy, i read a - i think czech - folk tale, where a servant is made to pour JUST THE RIGHT amount of wine in the king's glass, 'too little, or too much, Off! with yer head!'
asciilifeform: but moreover, there must be, in the former case, a mechanical test which determines if he is to be shot.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, a man may be whipped for one item he produced not meeting what his master told him to produce. this means the item was specified.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put it in the harshest term : a man may be shot for one item he produced not being identical to another item someone else produced. this means the item was standardized.
asciilifeform: and it is as rusty as a ww2 tank pulled from swamp in ukraine.
asciilifeform: the standard was and is a titanic work, imho.
asciilifeform: well, if you actually were to read the ada standard, it has a massive annex specifying ~optional~ components.
mircea_popescu: mno. EITHER "the standard library" is not the standard library ; or ELSE your mips is a chunk of charcoal and you've got down syndrome to be trying to program on it.
mircea_popescu: when standard lib (which dun belong on a microcontroller)
mircea_popescu: yeawell. not much of a meaning.
asciilifeform: 'standard', in industrial world, has a meaning. it is a document which at least ~attempts~ an exhaustive description of an object, with an aim to enabling reader to re-create it.
mircea_popescu: the latter makes some specific comments as to some points of interest - "the meat should be between some sort of bread". the former specifies every single aspect of the item, including a complete chemical composition etc.
mircea_popescu: if you say "bring me a mcburger" you are asking for a standard item. if you say "bring me a burger" you are asking for a specified item.
asciilifeform: asking to standardize a living humanlang in the nut-and-bolt sense is rather like asking for a standard liver, leg, or cock.
mircea_popescu: specification and standard are also different processes. a specified item is evidently different from a standardized item.
asciilifeform: a dead language with small literature corpus is arguably standardized.
mircea_popescu: does not. french is specifically the one culture language which does not have a normative, academy-produced dictionary.,
PeterL: French dictionary tries to be a standard
mircea_popescu: still. when we discuss language - the alphabet is the only standard. the dictionary is not a standard ; nor aspires to be a standard.
asciilifeform: attempts to WHOLLY detach a standard from particular artifacts - e.g., si def of the metre in terms of cesium atom cross-sections - have not gone far.
mircea_popescu: seems your notion of a standard unduly includes both a and b
mircea_popescu: a standard for 1 inch nut does not a) specify material b) enter into considerations of what levers to push on what type of cnc mill
asciilifeform: you can fire a modern luger round in a ww1 luger, also.
asciilifeform: i screwed in a modern part into a bolt plate made 35 yrs ago, last night, and it fit with 0 measurable error.
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in the land of nuts and bolts, likewise.
asciilifeform: on a martian computer.
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in compiler-land. i.e., i can, using only the standard, re-create the compiler.
mircea_popescu: not what a standard is.
mircea_popescu: thinking the dictionary "a standard" is exactly the level of ignorance one displays thinking "the blue earth internet icon"
mircea_popescu: "this text is non-compliant, replace letter ? with a proper letter and resubmit" - right
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing any humanlang has to a standard.
mircea_popescu: it's a guideline.
mircea_popescu: dictionary is eminently NOT a standard.
asciilifeform: now on a micro, one needs VERY little of this, and folks traditionally trim the thing down to fit by sacrificing pieces
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ada has a titanic standard lib, this is not really escapable on a c machine if you want SAFE data structures, threads, etc.
mircea_popescu: the #1 rule a standard must pass is BEING SMALL.
mircea_popescu: the EXACT opposite of a fucking standard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the much worse point of this is - WHAT THE FUCK is a "standard lib" supposed to be thaT DOESN'T fit on microcontroller. what the fuck standard is this standard, utf-standard, the antistandard.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, that old "fuck you and netbase" http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.98
asciilifeform: and the recipe whereby you substitute a dummy -- dun work.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 04:53 trinque: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=20015 << if the world ever rights "helpful" is going to be a euphemism for "tries to slip dick in when you turn your back"
asciilifeform: i found a dozen different sites with ad-hoc recipes, and patches, and NONE worked
asciilifeform: because ALL version of gcc i've been able to get a hold of, which are able to build a version of gnat i've been able to get a hold of, refuse to build gnattools (the linker) when standard lib (which dun belong on a microcontroller) is disabled.
asciilifeform: so, for instance, i have, theoretically, a gnat that builds for mips, but in actuality it dun work.
asciilifeform: it isn't even that we are operating on an animal that is squirming on the table, but that it is not an animal at all, but a bag of maggots and weevils
asciilifeform: in point of fact we do not have a freezable software stack.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar
mircea_popescu: points a through i === foss.
mircea_popescu: answer h) yet there's a new team maintaining the item i) except it's unclear exactly who exactly how and to what exact purpose or standard"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being : "a) here is a package of open source software that b) worked great c) for a lengthy, unclear and unverifyable past interval d) maintained by an intelligent but dour and otherwise busy party that e) is well respected but no longer much involved f) yet you could ask q of them if only you could find out how to ask an intelligent one g) which is pointless anyway because you can't make much sense of the
asciilifeform: or a gnat that builds without gnat (which has been annoying asciilifeform greatly in recent times)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh we dun even have a gnudiff that build without gnudiff.
phf: ben_vulpes: i have a patchset, that takes wp from stock 2.7 to mircea_popescu's version, and then adds a few cleanups that i did. once i get through all the other shit i'm working on, i'll release it. the stock->mp patch is useful if you want to do further work on the codebase and have some idea where mp's custom patches begin and end
phf: ben_vulpes: i think everything's here http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517299 << if i had a working lispified phuctor, yes. ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: it is a very tidy sourceball, trinque.
trinque: anyone else wants to play with a lispybot / offer critique / point and laugh, feel free
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 19:02 asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque any idea why deedbot sometimes spits out a phuctoring twice ?
BingoBoingo: Any ways a proper spreadsheet is not software. It is stationary.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. they were a major yahoo sorta thing, years ago. aol-owned outfit.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv << Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A ... | http://trilema.com/cae-dorel << Cae Dorel ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Detroitiscrap.com finally shut down. - Niggermania.NET" << apparently there was a detroit lafond.
asciilifeform: https://www.bell-labs.com/claude-shannon << apparently a thing
asciilifeform: cryptography is a 'meat market' where, after sobering up, one notices that 100% of the 'girls' are actually pigs.
mircea_popescu: (and for the governance-minded log reader : yeah, the above is literally me in my capacity as ceo making a strategic choice that puts the best interest of shareholders second, after the interest of the republic. it literally subsidizes republican research at the expense of s.mg's bottom line. not only is this common in my practice - i hold it to be both required and unavoidable, and if "that's not how you'd run a corp" you're
mircea_popescu: there's also a subtle point here, which is : that if we indeed use a otp-and-hash scheme, this in fact puts whatever hash scheme we use to work.
asciilifeform: incidentally gmp (what ~everybody, at least gpg users, use) is braindamaged in a certain important way
mircea_popescu: anyway : the rsa/otp scheme is also bw-wasting, up to a factor of 2 if no hashing, or otherwise depending on how many hash passes, with 20 it's just 1.05 ie 5% more bw etc.
asciilifeform: the only aspect of rsa that actually takes palpable time on a modern box is key gen.
mircea_popescu: yeah there are some advantages. but half second is too much to delay a game message for encryption, and you won't be able to fit two passes in .5 s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand that if you never hash them, you might as well not use them at all and simply rsa the actual message back and forth. as appealing as the idea is in theory, it's not workable in practice because even with a game as relaxed as eulora, it'll still be too laggy.
mircea_popescu: PeterL reusing an otp straight makes bothering with the whole scheme kinda pointless ; hashing an old otp to generate a new otp is perhaps dubious, but in widespread use. (it's more or less what a "deterministic" wallet is, for instance)
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: $up b-a_alum
PeterL: Anybody else watch olympic opening ceremony? There was about a minute of fun brazillian dancing and hours of boringness and a stupid tribute to global warming. Bleh.