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mircea_popescu: some people (known as you know, road workers) have very strong preferences re the asphalt barrelatron.
mircea_popescu: yet there also is the BEST IN CLASS asphalt barrel with car attacher!
mircea_popescu: could you possibly also consider yopu know, just going to a different town ?
mircea_popescu: well, shouldn't you have a barrel of asphalt in your car, fix the hole ? serious people go about with barrel of asphalt tied to car.\
mircea_popescu: because your answer is "nothing", ima say you're at cocaineyacht stage!!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, suppose you run your car over a pothole. what do you do now ?
mircea_popescu: what he's proposing is that it's a tad ridiculous to keep, like every honest taxpaying, they took our jerbs murican, shiny toolkit in garage, that cost 5k to buy and used a total of 400 watts in its entire life
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't imagine he's proposing you don't use whatever tool you want for whatever job.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, but this means you're doing archeological work. why are you ?
mircea_popescu: still, wouldn'\t it be kinda nice if he sat himself on chair instead of all that ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand that man drowning in complexishit may find various straws to help himself keep breather holes above level for a week longer.
mircea_popescu: right back to the whole "but my balcony tomato plantation!11!"
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : if your program is compelx enough you forgot who-calls and it is not actually addressed to a large enough problem space, maybe it's time to review why you're writing it.
mircea_popescu: "but the hammer's so nice" "dude we're discussing a tool by itself" "don't you think it's nice ?"
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why regrets - noun wouldn't work in a language where regrets - verb in perfective aspect works out of the box and without glue. in romanian it needs glue to work, and you can say "hey, no glue for noun so you can't do that!"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really work in romanian. i mean, a common honorific for the deceased is "regretatul" ie, the regretted. but that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: that i'd rather he had a sane woman to take him to the hospital.
mircea_popescu: hence all the "uncharted lands" references all the time.
mircea_popescu: (though it's a welcome exercise, in passing, to consider HOW would you rigurously prove an apple doesn't cure sun eclipse.)
mircea_popescu: in practice though, this theoretical distinction carries little importance.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's one thing to tell yokel your apple's a mango, it's another thing to claim your apple cures sun eclypse.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the difference between imponade and the idf is that the imponade relies on failure of those imponed upon to evaluate ; whereas the idf relies on the fundamental problem of the cost of evaluation -- sometimes it's huge.
mircea_popescu: You may, and some do, complain that there is no super-compact expression of some particular problems, but what you completely miss is that the _penalty_ for thinking "outside of the box" or outside of the "intended" uses of the language is _also_ absent.
mircea_popescu: like the lemonade of the proverbial lemonade stand that's always used as example in theoretical economics.
mircea_popescu: "we have engineers doing things|! " "What ?" "we don't actually know." "here's some money then."
mircea_popescu: and the hope is that who knows, maybe the dorks come back with some idf. in any case, up until they return, the thread can be deemed as idf as-is.
mircea_popescu: large companies without a point or purpose adrift in economic anomie essentialy become IDF packagers.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like nightmare fuel in media. a substance that makes people with money and no clue imagine happy thoughts.
mircea_popescu: it all relies on the almighthy IDF. investor dream fuel. dja know what that is ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know what is the real because there ?
mircea_popescu: more like, "whores are bad at finding non-slippery solutions."
mircea_popescu: i wish someone here made a garage band so i could write lyrics for them.
mircea_popescu: come along now an' let's play that strange game where errything's a key!
mircea_popescu: but rare indeed is the computerhead who will sit down and compare the time "improvement" takes to implement CORRECTLY, AND MAINTAIN ; vs the time it actually saves.
mircea_popescu: there is this very specific failure mode whereby computerists who for naive reasons decide "they don't play computer games" end up game-ifying their daily life. it is way the fuck better to level up a warlock than to dick around "saving" typing and growing a crop of tomatoes on your balcony.
mircea_popescu: ot his empanadas as well as open invite from waitress who's apparently been waiting for moths for the one time mp is not with cunt in tow.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein : new dork (at least i've not seen him before) with apparent delusions of "management" at place i normally frequent. i tell him to bring me a dozen empanadas para llevar. he... didn't understand, at first, then on second pass told me to go to "the different counter", then got invited to go search for his mother's cunt, which rendered him apoplectic. /me went to other place down the street he also frequents, g
mircea_popescu: redundancy ftw, it's so luxurious. who the fuck else has shit like this, not even lizard captains.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah i have like one per machine over here :D
mircea_popescu: gosh golly, "pushing the envelope" was such a quaint affair in 1985.
mircea_popescu: "i don't give a shit about rutherford's labels" dun reduce to "there were none" except in your own frame.
mircea_popescu: "does that mean the other jar couldn't then replace this one ?" "that's EXACTLY what it means!"
mircea_popescu: "why did you put the label on the jar, mr rutherford ?" "to distinguish it from another jar."
mircea_popescu: nobody with a name is replaceable. this follows from the definitions.
mircea_popescu: yes, mp so likes. but this is special pleading. mp also likes women, bacteria dishes, boys in this order.
mircea_popescu: europe is eternal, unlike africa, americas etc. a lot like china, actually.
mircea_popescu: so then you know, arbitrarily defined cell collection is arbitrarily defined cell collection. hoop.
mircea_popescu: ~no cells present at your birth are still there, seems to not bother your sense of identity.
mircea_popescu: (this is just a play on the fundamental fact that THERE IS NO MEANING IN NATURE. there's no such thing as "people" or "individual" or "life" or "god" etc irl. all psychogenic noise, the happenstance branches of your own process of organizing the exterior, unrelated to the exterior.)
mircea_popescu: myeah. though if it's proper to speak of you as individual, why exactly not of 1 bn worth of bacterial cells together ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on contemplation, the need-radiation organisms are probably bacteria. i imagine it figures heftily in the "endless adaptability of life on earth" for anything with short (subweek ?) cycles. from coprophyta to drosophila, most of the biomass.
mircea_popescu: cinderblock ie, "wouldn't you like to lvie in a hut made of concentrated furnace waste" ?
mircea_popescu: "they don't make 'em like they used to" "well, they didn't use to have to use sr-90 / ca-40 mix!"