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mircea_popescu: i cut mine, but then again i was the only one on the street.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506517 << usg has been maniacally afraid of this kind of thing for decades, to the point that not only wh, but semi-abandoned army reserve shithole not far from where i live, is surrounded by 'bollard' barriers, spikes, etc. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i tried to use it once, it reminded me of those keyboards they widely sold to 'INTERNET!1111' lusers of the '90s, with 'pizza' and 'beer order' buttons
asciilifeform: but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.
asciilifeform: aaaactually i send quite a few packetz a few km back'n'forth.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506537 << if i want to send a packet to my next door neighbour, and it has to go through a station 3km away, it is idiocy ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'i have no idea where i will land so i wanna ret'
mircea_popescu: figuring out which was the case was not something i wanted to get involved in.
mircea_popescu: but the coupla projects of scientific computing i observed, the phases were readily distinguishable : 1. people are excited, they loudly choose "best" hot new stuff, pass along napkin sketches ; 2. the super-duper shit runs into more wrinkles than it's worth, kids are all depresed. at this point the project either dies or management intervenes, gets wizard, wizard takes a weeklong look at it, decides "on the basis of consider
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << what's the advantage i dun get it ? ☝︎☟︎
gribble: vc was last seen in #trilema 5 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <vc> Framedragger: I'm cool with port scans, neither me nor my parent host cares
mats: i put a bookmark in the last one and forgot to pick it up again, i'm now reminded to do so
mats: i'm reading through these now http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996 ☝︎
mats: i v much enjoy reading about the 'golden age of piracy'
pete_dushenski: "I typically pay $5 to $10 to charge up. Every single station has been, for years, mediocre to terrible. The stations are often broken due to software or hardware problems, and remain out of service for weeks. Competition among electric car drivers for these public charging stations is fierce and intensifying. It’s practically impossible for me to find an open charging station during the day."
diana_coman: truth be told I did not realise it but it might be better to add to the notes probably, to make this clear
diana_coman: I read it that that was precisely the point, lol
asciilifeform: lel and i bet when you stabbed her angry husband, the blade also fit perfectly in the hole it made
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno man, i one day visited prechristian syria, went to bed with woman, appendage fit perfectly.
asciilifeform: story interlude: i bought a ~35 y.o. cnc mill recently.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:55 asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:39 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 << actually this might not be so bad idea. i.e. "internodal transport nomad"
asciilifeform: seconds, sure. decades ? i dunno that i personally have two decades left.
mircea_popescu: let's restate. "i would be very comfortable in a chair that was built just like this collapsing assemblage between seconds 1.3 and 1.45 of the fall".
asciilifeform: may as well ask why i would consider a boat that 'only' can last for two decades.
asciilifeform: should i ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, you're discussing a slice of time worth ~two decades ?
asciilifeform: hence why i have 0 interest in 'mass konsooomerized houseboat' concept.
asciilifeform: i can see, possibly, that if mass of office plankton were somehow place in boats, yes, there would be harvesting thereof.
asciilifeform: i never saw it as 'empty'
asciilifeform: i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'
asciilifeform: i can see it.
pete_dushenski: aha. barbs supplanted venetians (and i spanish) on the mediterranean... that's right.
asciilifeform: i dun know of anybody camping out in orbit to save on rent either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have never heard of anyone practicing that solution nor would i think too much of their head tbh.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna rehash the logic behind http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ but the discussion of the merits of that project should prolly be read by any would-be sovereigns of this particular bent.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:11 asciilifeform: the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:08 phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment
mircea_popescu: (yes, i'm pretty much convinced that IF you actually wanted to do what is here contemplated, a wooden structure is the best choice.)
mircea_popescu: i'm also certain it wouldn't be worth having ; but that's a different story.
asciilifeform: i still picture it as looking like 'cray-II'
mircea_popescu: i imagined they must be spraying, but then again i never saw either flight or land crew doing in.
mircea_popescu: it is the strangest thing, i used to think mosquito is the sort of beast that either doesn't exist or else is abundant
asciilifeform: 1, i think, but it was not able to bite through my skin for some reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i guesses as much.
Joshua-I: I have broad taste in that area. Let me think on it a minute
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I what's your favourite girl look like ?
Joshua-I: I'm definitely projecting then :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad place. of course, these days... Joshua-I sorry wut ?
asciilifeform: i've wondered on occasion why mircea_popescu did not settle among the turks.
mircea_popescu: every time i leave someplace there's a bunch of girly tears left behind, you know ?
mircea_popescu: it never rains in egypt. that was nice. not in suitcase. it never gets hot in northern transylvania. also. i dun have either bosphorus or golden horn. the list is long
mircea_popescu: looky, if i missed everything i cared for and don't currently have it'd be an endless funeral+wake over here.
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up Joshua-I
asciilifeform: but regardless, jurov has no case here, because if i want to plug in such a toaster today, i can easily do so without spending so much as one extra penny.
jurov: i remember seeing electrical irons with it
asciilifeform: but i have never seen an applicance made with said plug.
asciilifeform: i have edison screw light bulbs all over the house ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506175 << oh sure, i agree; but it may work for a limited case, as a quick thing; not as a proper stats platform or whatever, god forbid! ☝︎
asciilifeform: if i go to a shop and buy a vacuum cleaner and the mains plug fits in NO socket, i will never buy from said vendor again.
jurov: so i'm rather sceptical about whole affair
jurov: well, after light usage i found bugs in core functionality in ecl, like it ignored *TRACE-OUTPUT*
jurov: eh, i run into this with common lisp all the time
asciilifeform: at any rate, the existence of even the POSSIBILITY of a program which ran on one, but not another, is what i was speaking of
asciilifeform: (iirc items with plain std i/o worked on all jvm)
jurov: since i was sysadmin hybrid
jurov: lol i was the only dude on the team with the setup
asciilifeform: i was speaking of commercial proggies written for sun's.
jurov: i dunno, i had a life as java developer, ibm jvm was superior on linux and ran both eclipse and our project fine
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506248 << in past life, when i gave half a shit, EVERY single proggy i tried to run on ibm jvm, barfed. ☝︎
jurov: re: common lisp - i'm curious, is there any 20y code still worthwhile to run now?
asciilifeform: but naturally crapolade built ~by~ and ~for~ disposable young cocklets, does not ~have~ a concept of '20 year old code i wish to run today'
Joshua-I: trinque: I'd advise seeing it for yourself as it may be the only way to convince you
trinque: $gettrust deedbot Joshua-I
phf: Joshua-I: you didn't understand what i said, and i have neither interest nor time to explain myself
phf: somehow the separation between the two is totally alien concept to a lot of people who run into tmsr machine. "i eat shit, therefore it's good for everyone". we too sometimes eat shit, but we have good sense to know that it might not be the best thing
phf: Joshua-I: sure, that's why i use intellij for work, but i will not talk up the virtues of intellij like it's a good thing, which is what you're doing
phf: Joshua-I: you make it sound like being sloppy with your tools is a good thing :)
Joshua-I: phf: eh I might be over abstracting because I tend to just jump from concept to api so I can get something done sooner rather than later
trinque: I do not benefit from tales of secondhand wonder !!!1!!
asciilifeform: (i will remind n00bs, also, that the part of phuctor which actually phuctors is a pure c proggy.)
phf: Joshua-I: i don't know what "same api" means, in this case. ipython is an enhanced ~repl~, but the code that you write with it constantly changes, because can't just load data set into a python array. need to use numpy, etc.
trinque: sure, I'm not criticizing it
asciilifeform: in, i should add, great haste.
Joshua-I: I might not use it for more specific analysis tho
Joshua-I: I'm doing this program online that uses it. Gets the job done
asciilifeform: i suffered the misfortune, at rupturefarms, of maintaining a 'sage' thing, it was agony
phf: ipython is a handy python repl thing, but i think it was some people's first repl, so it turned into reinvention of clim presentations. problem is it's entirely useless without third party libraries for any kind of large scale data analysis, because core python is limited. where's the landscape of python scientific libraries is a constantly changing mess.
asciilifeform: i have a ~7 y.o. version, it runs fine.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: probably has better binding arbitrartion jokes than i in any case
asciilifeform: i should like to know what it was they typically cut.
asciilifeform: lel u.s. navy, 'During the past six months, our surveyors have uncovered a number of submarines not complying with a requirement for a chip shield on the lathe or drill press. To aid the fleet in a decision process for procuring a solution, I found three of numerous possible companies which supply equipment...'
asciilifeform: i'll skip pex.
asciilifeform: i mean, for water, this isn't reactor coolant
BingoBoingo: I kinda though his formula was most text on blog, book offers a bit of extra.