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BingoBoingo: There are now weirdo evengelicals hyping "Madre Dios". Three short fat confused looking asians flagged me down near Plaza Independencia.
I thought they wanted directions, but eventually it comes out that they wanted to tell me all about "Madre Dios"
mircea_popescu: incidentally lobbes , now that
i'm back @travelbase or how shall
i put this, shall we get back to the logger thing ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-05 07:20:03 hanbot:
i don't think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren't Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can't even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TA
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for all their self-loathing, she'd be a lot more popular
i guess.
mircea_popescu: hanbot,
i suppose frances mcdormand is the consummate icon of this outlook. not just in fargo, remember that scene when she is unhappy with the level of service the soviet embassy is providing ? "
I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! GIB MONYZ!!!"
hanbot:
i don't think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren't Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can't even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TALK, like, to real faces, who
mod6: BingoBoingo: Cool! Updated.
I take it you still have 192.187.99.74 too, or does that need to be removed from the list?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 09:01:11 mircea_popescu:
i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren't for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 09:39:35 mircea_popescu: yeah, the more
i think about it the more
i'm persuaded : this is the problem, fellows got FIXED codecs, tryna apply them results in ~random noise within a few steps.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mod6 If you are still updating the node list on the trb site
I've got: 143.202.160.10 in Costa Rica, 88.80.148.58 in Bulgaria, 192.151.158.26 in Kansas, and 205.134.172.4 in AlfRack running and sync'd. First three running 99999 version number, last running 70001 version number.
diana_coman: fixed aka added the links to the text
I cite in the article; the archive copy you provide is also useful as it further adds the refs on tarabostes.
diana_coman: re links from the logs,
I should have added the content properly formatted with links included, indeed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the more
i think about it the more
i'm persuaded : this is the problem, fellows got FIXED codecs, tryna apply them results in ~random noise within a few steps.
mircea_popescu:
i'd guess trying to read trilema without being actually literate (which specifically denotes the ability to follow emergent codification from the text) should be pretty fucking trippy.
diana_coman: alternatively, it may also be that they simply take the words/expressions (word salad) (because ...well, they work, right?) and then they proceed to use them as it seems to them that it "should" be; (
I kind of got to see this in action with that shrysr guy).
hanbot: mircea_popescu: damned near. my tolerance for the sorta shit seems to have gone down.
i need a hazmat suit or something (or a chill pill, heh).
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's why
I find it funny; precisely because of this "it's so much further away than that, that we'll call it ...that; a sort of heat seeming cold and the other way around.
mircea_popescu: these dudes wanna talk about word salad ?! it's like some crow living atop the city dump "criticizes" suburbia for disorderliness.
i dunno a whole year of recent logs packs as much salad as they manage to stuff in those 6k misfortunate words.
diana_coman:
I found it funnier re "trilema.com is word salad" tbh;
I'm not sure there's much more to it than that though, not even sure what would "persuasive" mean in their context, exactly.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it seems they're kinda stomping themselves over there, would-be #reddit alt-tmsr l1 is getting massacred in their attempt at creating a narrative.
i guess it helps
being persuasive, if you're gonna try and lord huh.
mircea_popescu: no,
i understand why they have my poster up in the room or w/e. that, however, is where they enter into it.
i'm over here.
mircea_popescu:
i dunno how
i enter into it ; but it's self-obvious that all the various would-be mini-republics will work the exact same way. they fucking have to, what.
mircea_popescu:
i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren't for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
diana_coman: lolz;
I'll go to see to the child for a bit.
mircea_popescu:
i'm out here reading through the bottom decile of the dcu rejected applications bucket.
diana_coman: heh, might end up triggering more discussion but at least
I got something out of those days' reading & mulling.
lobbes: diana_coman: woah, you are right;
I had never realized that there is no year 0 in that calendar scheme
mod6: Alright, noted.
I'll see what
I can do about that in the next few days too.
mod6: Now that my blog is back up and working (blog.mod6.net),
I have a number of articles to write here in the next serveral days with further thoughts/details surrounding the items in the State of Bitcoin Address.
trinque: BingoBoingo: tx dispatcher for deeds is back in action.
I'll get the site generator pointed at the new stuff tomorrow.
diana_coman: trinque: why does your blog send me to an empty page after
I give it a comment? It's quite confusing/initially
I thought it failed to eat it and
I was just about to try again.
mircea_popescu: this, for the record, is the first time in my life
i've actually had this problem.
i been preparing for it all my life, it's true, but
i never actually had it before.
diana_coman: lolz;
I was about to say that compared to further trying to get sense out of cs entrails, just about ~anything else qualifies for happy.
mircea_popescu: lol.
i mean it as the term of art, seen in "vincent ? are we happy ?"
diana_coman: at any rate,
I'll take some days to (mull & read)*
mircea_popescu: but that's the idea : what
i mean by " we systematize the pile" is that first we make a large pile, then we select from it to make a smaller but correctly structured pile, and then we use the pile to fix cs where needed (and also we convert some portion of the larger pile left out, that's worth doing)
mircea_popescu: anwyay --
i kinda do want a done anyway, so if any of the unemployed in the audience wants to hop to, do talk to me about it.
diana_coman: certainly
I meant for "it can take forever"
diana_coman: certainly; and part of why
I'm not all-that-enthusiastic about it; otoh my current experience with ~equivalent of a make me also-not-that-enthusiastic; so
I'm looking at "choice".
mircea_popescu: anyway,
i'm not about to go paying idiots a whole lotta money so they're a little bit less idiotic, what the fuck.
diana_coman:
I didn't keep track but
I do recall at least a few off the top of my head, yes.
mircea_popescu: do you even recall how many "artists"
i commissioned to date whose idea of "commission" and "artist" was... take some money and RUN!!!!!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 12:41:13 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls
i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save
mircea_popescu: you meet more 30yos, you'll meet more alfs in the best case.
i am so fucking uncurious to be meeting anymore alfs...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, sadly
i do not currently believe anyone whose name is going to be worth knowing in ten years is older than about fifteen today. with maybe a dozen exceptions.
diana_coman: if you mean "art products" by that everything that's conceivably useful then yes, indeed,
I was thinking precisely of that rather sad attempt, hm; the idea -naive!- behind that to my mind was more to find perhaps as a result *people* doing something useful in that direction, hm.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls
i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save.
diana_coman: and no,
I wouldn't start making another blender, ugh.
diana_coman: re maintaining the infrastructure,
I don't see how it can be really justified as such anyway given that uhm, those doing something with it are anyway essentially non-existent currently so can't maintain so they "do" anything; and if it is to *also* build them up, then well, they'll fit whatever infrastructure is provided, not the other way around.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
I had the article on the
toolchain to help her as
I knew she was having a go at it based on some discussion in #eulora
I think; maybe that?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, why the fuck didn't you write it out ?
i remember reading SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the problem with the foregoing is that
i can kinda ballpark the COST of maintaining all the infrastructure for monkeys to typewrite at their leisure. so can you,
i expect.
hanbot: nah,
i committed a major sin there, possibly
i'll have to pay by starting over and properly documenting.
hanbot:
i had a lot of fun modeling a slime guy in blender, then discovered getting it to a usable form via "baking textures" etc 5 or so layers deep was ...
i guess
i'd call it beyond my attention span.
mircea_popescu: now the proposition here is, as
i understand it, the following :
diana_coman: that yes,
I do; though
I am partial to an sukhoi more than to an AI because at least it's a concrete beast
I guess.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it...
i dunno, it makes a skymap if you print the 1's as stars
i guess.
diana_coman: myeah;
I fell in love with it at 17 (when read the promise) and then promptly barfed by 19 (when encountered the full extent of the "practice")
diana_coman: oh huh, only one? dunno, perhaps the idea is to reverse engineer, that might be about the only possible value
I can see but it's dubious for all sorts of reasons.
mircea_popescu:
i suspect the item as discussed is actually worth 0, yes, making complete idiots of the management of all the us' "allies".
diana_coman: if you are asking "what is this item worth to *you*", well, not much; the fuck do
I do with this sukhoi.
diana_coman: because "what this item is worth" depends on more than just the item in itself and
I have no idea even on the item really, let alone the context.
diana_coman: hm;
I keep thinking that "perhaps
I don't know enough about them to find the value" ; as
I see them now, they are more accumulations of trial and error/overfitting/tinkering though so they seem of very little - or indeed negative - value tbh.
diana_coman: oh boy,
I'm possibly the last person to ask for an argument pro "valuable" on those.
mircea_popescu: so
i don't even know on what basis
i'm supposed to decide what, here.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, thinking now about it,
I think there might be, namely the more directly game-relevant parts that are also not yet fully spec (eg character, structure/item etc);
I need to go over it in this light, put the graphics to the side for now and see from there.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only lisp
i use how shall we put this, on a day to day basis as opposed to some kinda ceremonial function
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 09:56:30 mircea_popescu: neways, as to the burning "OTOH,
I wonder if things like Apache or imagemagick get installed, how will the package management system work out, and how comprehensible will system stay?" question --
i see the merit of using the clean spot as a fixed point to attempt expanding cleanliness. so, it would work by apache becoming tmserv or w/e, and not sucking anymore.
diana_coman: oh;
I was blissfully unaware of the extent of xml-shading, lolz.
mircea_popescu: 56 stars ans 86 forks, if this ain't the mark of the times
i can't imagine what'd be
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 07:02:12 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956250 <<
i honestly think it's the right approach. "identify an useful iota of acceptable internal structure and measure everything in that". next step self-obviously being, "once pretty much everything's within the first sigma, take another look at what you mean by acceptable internal structure".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:21:12 trinque: whaack: starting at beliefs is going to be a shaky foundation, but fwiw
I "believe" most folks writing lisp today are compulsive masturbators like gabriel_laddel
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 02:15:42 mp_en_viaje: wut is this java bullshit, "oh,
i've been fucking three women". mocky.org/three-nude-sluts when!
mircea_popescu: and what
i mean by "there's no more space" is rather a lot in the vein of "you lot chafe and get massively butthurt at even the faintest version of what that world would look like anyone [by which we mean me, for lack of alternatives] can come up with". lisp is a tool for resolving closed problems, not for floating about the endless uncharted seas [
http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/?b=try%20to&e=swim# mircea_popescu: the main problem (and the reason
i don't come across as much of a lisp fan) is that since the 80s complexity exploded significantly ; there's no more space for proto lisp as represented by
mel ; nor for the classical lisp as represented by the defunct moron club.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:19:37 whaack: diana_coman: if
i search for a piece of lisp code to do something,
I have a (perhaps naive) belief that
I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:11:26 diana_coman: ahaha, by now
I see that trinque will measure everything in multiples of busybox.