asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i inquired whether dc is primary line of biz in that shop. seems that it is not, they bolt together and sell 1 of those 'disk array' things, petabyte ea. there's a factory floor of sorts.
asciilifeform: cart and hydraulic crane is shared, 1 of each per hall, there's 2 halls.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i even asked 'where is the display/kbd cart', it was wheeled to me to inspect.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other nice thing, apparently 'if dun like -- can spit and leave'. month-to-month subscription.
asciilifeform: guaranteed, supposedly, for 24/7 at full tilt.
asciilifeform: the full tower comes with 10x (not misprint) pipe, 1GB.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they dun seem to have side holes, but may be able to 'cheat' and bolt to rear of shelf. if it actually comes that i have a packed booth.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile , kindergarten arithm: in machine rack (22u) 1 hole occupied by patch panel (1u), power strip (1u), then will need 1u moar of mains sockets , 1u for switch, 1u for shelf (entrance router, apu's) , 1u asciilifeform will reserve for own www box, leaving 16 holes ; in 1 , rk plant will live. 15 for the courageous among l1 .
asciilifeform: ( i assume BingoBoingo has enuff sense not to need reminder to do it under open sky, far from nosy parkers etc , is obv. )
asciilifeform: over here they're fiddibux. look in orc shoppe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, dun let this become a life-consuming project
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whichever method of execution is used, make sure whole thing caught on camera. will be likbez for others.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hit the sunday market and buy 1 of those crates of old photoflash cubes i saw there, if found. otherwise what you said.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw interesting similarities in that dc thing to your 'cowork'. there's toilets, showers, kitchens, workshops w/ antistatic desks etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: quick q for when you have 5m : do you know how to 'bless' usb stick into bootability ? for some reason stuck on this ( machine is known to boot stix, boots the heathen gentoo 'live' thing. but not mine, tho is set up exactly like the hdd from earlier test w/ diana_coman )
asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: place seems to have a++ service , asciilifeform was sat in the board room in the throne and treated like royalty. fwiw.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm for. q then for mod6 .
asciilifeform had a very 'you get what pay for' upbringing so hesitant to 'get excite'. but it's by all indications a genuine rack, in genuine dc, and dirt cheap. we find out moar by actually pluggin' in...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apparently we found ~1~ thing that's cheap in usa..
asciilifeform: has amenities i had nfi even existed in dc -- dock and crane for loading irons, and hydraulic cranes on wheels for insertions of boxen.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone.
asciilifeform: will write a photops0t right after tea, re: what i found inside.
asciilifeform: and all l1 people are invited. (at some point l2 ditto, after erryone in l1 who wants in, is in.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma start fillin' it as soon as get keyz
asciilifeform: unmarked bldg, in the middle of nowhere. inside, tho, resembling hybrid of dc and lobby of 5star hotel, flunkies bring coffee etc.
asciilifeform: pretty fancy house, btw, vs. latech's.
asciilifeform: also came back with some photos (unlike latech, these people not allergic, apparently, to photo), will post.
asciilifeform: took a while to go over the contract, cross out things i didn't like , etc. but all eaten. rack people took the dough, promised keys on friday (apparently needs day to clear cheque and day to run wire.)
asciilifeform: 22u (2 occupied by power an/ net panel) so yields 20 holes.
asciilifeform: so, achtung, panzers ! asciilifeform -- signed up for rack.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho .
asciilifeform: mod6: didja ever get an output from ben re his replacement in tbf ? afaik any possible transmutation of tbf requires at least a nod from the fella, given as he seems to be alive, and not yet formally drummed out
asciilifeform would at least like to settle the q of whether even makes sense for anyone to fetch boxes, and if so, which
asciilifeform: mod6: i bring up subj only to avoid possible recursive dependencies ( i.e. for some subscribers, whether to transport box or bake new , may depend on the costs -- and time involved ; and this in turn has effect on what's left to liquidate, etc )
asciilifeform: ( along w/ anyffin else that the owners decide to move. )
asciilifeform: nao ideally i am mistaken about this, and can simply be posted.
asciilifeform: mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform opposes the sale of remaining FG stockpile to orcs at flea market. but mod6 is majority holder, and so will mention even this, for thread-completeness strictly.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em.
asciilifeform: per my reading of last wk's log, to mod6 is also left the fate of the piz FG's (mp asked to be repayed in coin, rather than iron, as i parsed it)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma leave it 1) up to indiv. subscribers, for subscriber-owned boxen 2) mod6 for piz boxen. if 1+2 add up to 4, then it is worth for asciilifeform to physically pick up. otherwise not.
asciilifeform: mod6: on top of this, imho the '20 boxen w/ no hot spares'-in-one-cage thing oughta be avoided . it tempts fate.
asciilifeform: mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect you still have the ~import~ receipts from the boxen that ben botched. that oughta do ~sumthing~ ? try an' find out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: find out what this involves. could 'make or break' the calculation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i wanted the ballpark figure (ty) in log so that subscribers can start making decision 'i'ma ship' or 'i'ma make own new from 0'.
asciilifeform: for boxen owned by subscribers, is to be left 100% to subscriber. but will need to consult w/ mod6 re piz-owned irons in particular.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my current thinking is, to usa, to move the beefier (24, 32 cpu) boxen -- +ev ; but to europistan , where i expect would cost 1.5x-2x, + oddball europistani taxes, may not be, if anyone contemplating the latter, oughta do separate estimate
asciilifeform: simply to put reasonably accurate picture in log
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you recall the estimate for 'crate from BingoBoingostan to usa' ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to comment re ^ when you get a chance.
asciilifeform: mod6: BingoBoingo appears to have prelim. data re the cost of transporting'em, it seems to be +ev.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the very least, imho the purely piz-owned irons oughta live in new racks asap rather than go through the cycle of sell-for-penny-on-dollar-to-orcs etc. but no such thing will be done w/out agreement of shareholders ( and mod6 is majority holder. )
asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'bear found but not yet killed' but yw.
asciilifeform: mod6: expecting to charge (in coin) equiv. of 20-30 $ u.s. per 1u, presently.
asciilifeform: i'ma 1st get the rack tho, and its ~exact~ cost, and ~then~ come up with prices. ( will be cheaper than piz, cuz elementarily , in a quite high-risk location , not to mention the rack per se is 5x cheaper per u )
asciilifeform: mod6: it's a usa rack, but (supposedly) locking, and in 20min range of asciilifeform , who will be gardening it personally
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma be inspecting and possibly leasing a rack today. if this goes properly, mod6 can consider installing $box there .
asciilifeform: mod6: confirmed; errything nao loads but the ml
asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile in minor noose, asciilifeform found that one vendor still makes usb stix (for routers etc) w/ single-layer nand flash. claims operation to +85C and 60,000 rewrites per block.
