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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i sign my 'hello' i will have no idea where it will enter the network.
asciilifeform gets a distinct impression that mircea_popescu is still thinking of the adversary as being bound by laws, courts, procedures of evidence-gathering.
artifexd: How many connections to other servers do you imagine that you will have? You as in you mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: let's work out, using spec as given in mircea_popescu's article: what does an inquisitor know about a particular utterance
asciilifeform: say mircea_popescu wishes to deniably utter the words 'brezhnev sucks'. he then asks me to utter, 'my friend, who wishes to stay unmarked, wishes to inform the ladies and gentlemen of this network that brezhnev sucks'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider: a subclass of private message where you ask a friend to pass along, to the 'room', some words.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is another way to bake it in.
asciilifeform: the only possible solution to preet signing as asciilifeform, or mircea_popescu, or whoever, is to pull the pin when he comes uninvited.
thestringpuller: mexican_gribble etc
artifexd: After the thing is up and running for 6 months. How does some insightful dude off the street get in? Look for a public (and thus completely untrusted) access ircd that will let him connect and hope to build an identity to the point that you say "hey insightful_dude_from_the_street", what's your ip address? I'll let you connect to me because you say useful
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what would the result of someone forking the WoT be?
asciilifeform: i will let this point prove itself, but was willing to argue for it to possibly save mircea_popescu and artifexd some unnecessary sweat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and then we get medieval-style rediscoveries of 'the latter gospel of mircea'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: lol. the actual ship mircea is an old barque. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_(ship)
asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's scheme, my wot-graph exists as a bitstring that my particular node will disgorge if asked?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> for that matter, imagine a "No" string signed. what now ? << This is the big.
BingoBoingo: Is anyone (mike_c?) interested in doing a recap of 2014 in Bitcoin finance?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: complicates your design a bit, as now you have two classes of message
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gossipd' << see 'gossip protocols', very interesting subfield in maths.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/01/05/russian_hedge_fund_founder_disappears_with_all_the_firm_s_money.html?wpisrc=obnetwork << another mega-lol from same site
BingoBoingo: lol at Slate http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2015/01/06/pegida_marches_xenophobia_is_going_mainstream_in_germany.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your site is down as seen from my perch
asciilifeform: mike_c: phoundation - deserved the treatment; old warhorse irc - doesn't
asciilifeform: mike_c: terrible thing to do.
artifexd: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111243
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well i imagine sufficiently resourceful turrorist would make a normal looking to X-Ray evil battery pack
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what do you mean ? it necessarily will occur.
artifexd: ben_vulpes: You don't. You keep sending money to yourself until it happens.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if one block's large and the other small, all i need a tx that's included in the large block but not the small one. then doublespend it on the small one, which will be rejected necessarily by the large block blockchain
assbot: Which bank will have the foresight to give /krakenfx a USD bank account? /Chase /WellsFargo /BofA_News /usbank /Citibank /HSBC_US /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
asciilifeform: artifexd, mircea_popescu, others - http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111242
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There are ways...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you plan to cook up a transaction dumping your coins that's valid on the gavinchain but not the mirceachain?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems so. Or it means He's basically Shrem'd except exile instead of jail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: s/relied/relayed ?
asciilifeform confesses that he has never purchased a credit on mircea_popescu's site...
artifexd: mircea_popescu: Do you envision the ircd project have the end goal of replacing the freenode #b-a channel or is it only supposed to be a way for one individual to communicate with another individual?
asciilifeform: there's an interesting similarity in the reactions of the freenode folks (quoted in earlier thread) and that of the wp fool (quoted in recent article on mircea_popescu's site)
asciilifeform: muh_buttcoins: i'm genuinely curious as to why you would like to learn the answer to that question
asciilifeform: muh_buttcoins: if you were to meet with proof that it was so, or was not so, would the coins thereby unsteal themselves ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and works, about as well as russian-english (which is to say, very threadbare)
mircea_popescu: muh_buttcoins http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is marked 'persian' there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't expect hard proof of anything whatsoever, sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: occasionally there are idiomatic residual clues
BingoBoingo: muh_buttcoins: It depends. What % of your net wealth do you presently depend on for provisioning a roof and some food?
BingoBoingo: muh_buttcoins: Not entirely
BingoBoingo: Hallo muh_buttcoins
BingoBoingo: !up muh_buttcoins
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd that do ? << if your estimate in 'this was exceeds that [necessary budget]' is correct - it will do nothing.
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rji9f/looking_before_the_scaling_up_leap_by_gavin/ << these comments are giving me brain cancer
asciilifeform: the only way enemy could win this hypothetical engagement is if he can set his fork up to 'catabolically break down' the original bitcoin network ( mircea_popescu's army on the board )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, artifexd, other interested folks: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111218
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rk3it/score_so_far_gavins_fork_0btc_mps_fork_killer_1/ << lol ty mr hahs, whoever you are.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i argue that all transmissions must be signed, if this is to be the thing it is really meant to be.
asciilifeform: active thread on mircea_popescu's site, btw
asciilifeform: rithm: did you actually read mircea_popescu's article ?
artifexd: mircea_popescu> can you actually do it ? << There are mad amounts of detail to work out. That said, yes. I can do it.
artifexd: mircea_popescu> am i s/open/artifexd/ ? << huh?
mquin: mircea_popescu: we seem to be getting questions about this channel and cloaking quite regularly lately
asciilifeform vaguely recalls ben_vulpes having wangled together an autobuilder of sorts
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: which one(s) of you is even doing the merges, anyway ?
mircea_popescu: now if mod6 an' ben_vulpes + whoever else can contribute get snappy with the actual foudnation work, the beheading of gavin's pretense will come exactly in time for a smooth transition to a muchly superior alternative.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu incoming pgp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu achtung
mircea_popescu: jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over? << aye.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ^fitting << hehe not bad eh.
pete_dushenski: anyways, now we know that mike_c is $100/hr!
pete_dushenski: mike_c don't suppose there's been any bidders for wol eh ?
pete_dushenski: mike_c so anything exciting in the pipeline for btcalpha ?
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over?
jurov: mike_c thanks!
punkman: http://www.routercheck.com/2014/08/14/major-problems-tr-069/ http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6166_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201412282145_-_too_many_cooks_-_exploiting_the_internet-of-tr-069-things_-_lior_oppenheim_-_shahar_tal.html
asciilifeform: https://books.google.com/books?id=Ut_0AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA44&ots=uzdXPijFi9&dq=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&f=false << herr orlov's recollections
punkman: asciilifeform: not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6. << relevant http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6370_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412281900_-_internet_of_toilets_-_tbsprs.html#video
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Old lead mining town there. Can't expect much brightness there.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's a point.
mircea_popescu: mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing
mike_c: <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
thestringpuller: elon musk is doing an AMA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2rgsan/i_am_elon_musk_ceocto_of_a_rocket_company_ama/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log.
asciilifeform currently failing to load mircea_popescu's site, but believes that somewhere it works
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not like surprise
asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu had to ruin my surprise gift to the fine folks of #b-a. i was gonna roll that thing out with cardano.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent in a comment re: 'ircd' article a few hrs ago.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT
mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh.
decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally
asciilifeform: decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your site appears to be down
asciilifeform wrestles with dilemma of whether he should open up his 90 or so percent implementation of mircea_popescu's RFP
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966169 ☝︎
thestringpuller: http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Omg+_fc9effa8742cabca49c35ae4827382e4.jpg