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mircea_popescu: phf and then keeps patching ? forever ? from behind the grave ?
mircea_popescu: the hope that it'll always find a way to do what you want it to do in front of my boundless requests is essentially the root of government.
mircea_popescu: phf the rub is that you're stuck with infinity on one end. you really can't tell in advance what i'll want your compiler to do.
mircea_popescu: ad-hoced it above. the thing which thomson describes, which is a very fundamental "specificly diddlable" process. "man in his cave" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those are all fine examples of "break out of unary".
mircea_popescu: and the "not necessarily" sinks it, because now i have what to compare, and that's the end of that.
mircea_popescu: hey, i proposed unoptimizing compiler for the role for reasons!
mircea_popescu: need i break out the math for this or is it obvious from stating ?
mircea_popescu: and this sad limitation fundamentally weakens the process, so that if i keep building more complex inputs your ability to make the prediction weakens (by the log of the count, in the pure case)
mircea_popescu: what does exist is a version whereby the secret can be built ~on the basis of~ given inputs.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, however, is that the magical hash-with-checksum function ~does not exist~. it's part of trilema sf for a reason.
mircea_popescu: it was class 1 or 2. this is an equivalent notation of the thompson problem for compilers (there's no difference between hashing and compiling in this sense).
mircea_popescu: phf the premise ("1 item can be compromised") is true ; this however is not a ~systematic~ concern. the reason it isn't a systematic concern has everything to do with the imaginary concept of "the hash with checksum". suppose 1) a hash function existed which 2) contained a secret which 3) allowed the possessor to distiguish possible inputs into two classes and then on the basis of the result know whether the input that led to
mircea_popescu: no, no, start over. full statement of the problem, explicitly terminated. ty.
mircea_popescu: please put a terminator when you're done and i'ma do my best to ignore the interlopers!
mircea_popescu: trinque they're blisfully unaware of the power of comparison, which is why that part of the discussion keeps being shied away from.
mircea_popescu: let's distinguish the genuine problem from "sky is falling in pies and nsa owns thermodynamics"
mircea_popescu: i don't have full control over turbulent flow, nevertheless fly unmolested. and so following.
mircea_popescu: phf this is elementarily false. i don't have full control over eg female biology, enjoy full control over my slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: state it plainly and without reference, in its complete formulation.
mircea_popescu: phf now now. don't squirm away. let's have the discussion. what exactly IS the concern.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you, catchingwind of this, go into your thomspon shrine, say abracadabra and now my kernel is infected with phf-rat ?
mircea_popescu: i think we're not talking of the same thing. so, i have, for the sake of argument, a 50k line bcc, which builds c and doesn't optimize. it's my bootstrapping compiler. it runs on musl, say. i fire up a pogo, put this on, and proceed to build a kernel during the next week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inconceivable, but this discussion is not something we can actually carry satisfactorily i guess. we'll hafta let it be.
mircea_popescu: well that's what i want to discuss, seems to me it's central to the point. what's the disconnect ?
mircea_popescu: if i come up with random "will you phf guarantee to me that if i swab her cheek on so and so date there won't be a spermatozoid in the microscope field", you'll just shrug.
mircea_popescu: phf which is my point. trust is not binary. yes you trust her, but many things she thinks you care about you don't, and even more you care in different contexts and to different levels than she imagines.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had pc burned in 1995 you'd be collecting computers from ebay, via tyour tablet today.
mircea_popescu: because rakim is stuck bagging my compras for a fucking reason. and nobody asks him which way the world goes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the notion that computers are mass market items are ridiculous. no, rakim didn't want one in 1977 either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you kill things in the order you can not in the order you want.
mircea_popescu: i seriously don't see the problem with "i trust this pared down version of tcc - it builds a very slow blob but it does build it - and these tools which i read myself"
mircea_popescu: and afaik it wasn't specifically written to solve the bootstrap problem. prolly could be shortened thertefore.
mircea_popescu: one possible approach would be a... non-optimizing compiler, let's call it a bootstrap compiler.
mircea_popescu: phf i think hes' right though. we're not going to be solving shit.
mircea_popescu: derpshart this idea is an uncredited rehash of stuff i said in 2011, aka not an idea.
mircea_popescu: phf this is sane, imo. exposes all the dirty hacks which "in kindergarten" etc.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is the principal reason mp doesn't speak against the bsd subversion/heresy.
mircea_popescu: because "Freedom" dontchaknow, and self-determination, and everyone can just be a bum.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the history of linux is not like the history of a respectable item. it's like "the history of the human biofilm on the floors of grand central station, 1817-2017".
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, but still, we have some experience with the neat trb building process. it can be done.
mircea_popescu: certainly the btc musl thing is a major cornerstone in that vein.
mircea_popescu: but i confess it'd still be a great thing if i actually had a canned answer for "oh, eulora doesn't run on my system". and it'd be lovely if it'd just happen to consist of you know, $item tmsr actually wants to take over.
mircea_popescu: i know i couldn't get it to the point where eg it's in the eulora wiki as "do this to run eulora"
mircea_popescu: that's how things go. first, cynical fraud. then, a generation grown up on cynical fraud -- all mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: they literally sit on ass all day converse with their own tulpas.
mircea_popescu: especially considering they're little more than off-color naked women anyhow.
mircea_popescu: i credit watching "women behind bars" right before fading off for a nap earlier.
mircea_popescu: trinque that looks like something straight out of 70s sexploitations.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more like idiots, tbh. "any problems we don't understand will be solved by the amulet of not understood problems. we sacrificed the right nuymber of goats on the right day, no need to worry about it."
mircea_popescu: should be funny to see what % of computers stay the same
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy shit, romania is still in the "first best greatest" age of troglodytism. come to think of it will prolly stay there forever, fucktards can't read.