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BingoBoingo: orking these steps we shall find a new Freedom and a new happiness... We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us" (TM)(R)
BingoBoingo: "Both my friends James and Philip seem to be the weak, accepting type; whereas I am the fighter. I will never stand to be insulted, and I will eventually have my revenge against all those who insult me, no matter how long it takes." << Dude needed a real enemy
a111: Logged on 2016-08-27 00:25 jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "~ticker" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: and a help page hehe.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529720 << lol, lobbesbot has had this for a few months btw. It is supybot pretty much, so all the favorites are there: later, seen, calc, etc ☝︎
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "~ticker" is not a valid command. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but to copy it you need a reasonably self-contained tribal machine for settling disputes, otherwise devolves to a contest of who can invoke usg library calls to moar effect.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's arguably a historically accidental set, this.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: strictly the set of folk who dun have a hassan and ibrahim.
asciilifeform: if you run a sufficiently tight imperium in imperio, usg gets to bite its elbows and you can get away with pretty much anything, so long as the wall is tall enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a whole array of settlements and structured etcs available. moreover, if you keep that money and kid inherits it, usg steals 60% not 20%
asciilifeform: if it is a 'silent understanding' in, e.g., amicable divorce - then no usg vig
asciilifeform: incidentally in usa, child support is not a cheque to the child's mother
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : if you're rich, it's probably a bad idea for fiscal reasons to skimp on child support.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski greenspun is also a bitter idiot.
mircea_popescu: look : the entire profession of estate lawyer is this : "you want to transfer X sugar from A to B ; with ants eating as little as possible on the way. This is how you time-attack the ants :"
asciilifeform: the fiction is that it has something to do with what it costs to grow a kid, but the reality does not at all resemble the fiction.
asciilifeform: (ianal, but the talmudic fiction is that it is 'a right of the child')
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in the anglo world, it is 'unnecessary' in the same way bleeding-as-medicine is. i.e. unless you are a lizard, judge will piss on your prenup.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529760 << incidentally, a prenup is entirely unnecessary with the advent of bitcoin. but i guess we can forgive kanye given the age of that particular tune. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1530099 << lol alf, you got a way with teh ladies, brings out the icy in 'em! ☝︎
pete_dushenski: also, i dun need lessons in pickups! http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/24/a-trucking-good-time/
BingoBoingo: How can a serivce have 100 kilousers when it doesn't even have two centiusers?
asciilifeform: 'He said Nextdoor has added “racial profiling” as a category for people who want to flag a conversation as inappropriate and that it has provided additional training on how to recognize toxic conversations about race to the volunteer “neighborhood leads” who are responsible for moderating discussions.'
asciilifeform: covertress: http://trilema.com/2014/a-short-compendium-of-stupid-things-you-should-never-say << useful reference.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/26/dear-america-pull-up-your-pants-your-inadequacy-is-showing/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Dear America: Pull up your pants, your inadequacy is showing.
asciilifeform: covertress: lemme guess, you've got a new Veeeery Speeeshul Private Offer!11111 Just For mircea_popescu .
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 17:25 mircea_popescu: has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ?
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1530024 << maybe. I'm about to start up my seasonal thing, which means I move in at work, leaving empty space where I currently reside. But that's a really big maybe seeing as how it's not my place and it's a very risky thing, letting someone move in. That aside, the timeframe is perfect. I will be away for more than a few months even ☝︎
asciilifeform: https://thehackerblog.com/floating-domains-taking-over-20k-digitalocean-domains-via-a-lax-domain-import-system/index.html << related.
phf: hmm, there's no exceptions, bot's simply timing out. i wonder if i should put a reconnect throttle. i wouldn't be surprised if the ping is timing out, but a connection can still go through. so bot times out, then reconnects, then one ping goes through, another one times out, so bot disconnects again..
phf: basically it's a choice between beta level code that is likely to do something stupid, but not as likely to completely die and stable code that doesn't know how to reconnect dying on wednesday while i'm away
phf: it's running on a new irc code, unfortunately pretty close to me going away into desert, but hopefully today tomorrow i'll have time to debug it a bit
deedbot: http://thestringpuller.com/2016/07/a-steeming-bubble/ << Pull Your Own Strings - A Steeming Bubble
deedbot: http://thestringpuller.com/2016/07/mass-adoption-as-a-ponzi-scheme/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Mass Adoption as a Ponzi Scheme
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of it as sewage filter. dunno if you've seen ossessione, but anyway : the street blows by all sorts, maybe some junk you'd like to hold on for a while.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what is the point of such a thing ?
asciilifeform: or is it empty carcass of motel, with a lock on it, and thestringpuller has the key.
mircea_popescu: btw, if motel is motel, wtf is a ho-tel.
thestringpuller: no i have a motel on lock...for...things...
mircea_popescu: you live in a motel ?
thestringpuller: and be initiated into a gang...
thestringpuller: i have a motel room, but he'd have to work
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tghere is also that. ideally a married fellow, lest we end up making more gabriel laddels.
asciilifeform: it is now, apparently, a thing.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ? << Parking him in my spider hole would be bad for my sobriety
asciilifeform: (there are students panhandling for tuition at schools like uni of md, which doesn't cost a fifth of what stanford costs)
mircea_popescu: has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ? ☟︎☟︎
trinque: clim is a graphical UI thinger; how does this map to an 80x25 character display
trinque: sounds like it turns into the web browser "supports 9999 devices and browser versions" which has never actually been a thing
asciilifeform: i'd actually like such a thing.
asciilifeform pictures a turbovision clim.
trinque: they banned gabriel_laddel for beating on some fucknut that thought ncurses clim ought to be a thing
asciilifeform: (this also makes for a clean transition to comms over shortwave, hijacked tv satellites, or whatever other twist the future holds where packets come with NO return address)
asciilifeform: enemy's entire infrastructure has a premise baked in, that a 'conversation' is something that happens 'between ip a and b'.
asciilifeform: mpex proxies are a reasonably good analogy for this.
asciilifeform: s, as can mine, and traffic between them cannot be grouped into 'a conversation between x and y' by third party.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
asciilifeform: one other point re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 is that divorcing from 'a node is an ip' entirely, makes this or any variant of this attack considerably more painful. with single-packet quanta, and raptor code (i.e. it does not matter whether mircea_popescu gets all of my packets in order, but only that he gets 10% of the packets i send in next second, in SOME order) his 'node' could consist of 15 machines in 6 continent ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but at least it become evident from this discussion that we'll prolly bundle a performancer, ie something to benchmark key parts of the crypto lib on machines for the user's benefit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: running safety-critical code on pc ~is~ a hack, and there is no way fully around it except to burn the pc.
asciilifeform: if enemy can make it happen every second, programmer is a tard and ought to be fed to pigs.
asciilifeform: and calculation ~never~ returns a result prior to interval elapsing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why you determine a ceiling (longest conceivable interval, assuming every single ram access is a cache miss, etc.)
BingoBoingo: "The sheriff’s office said deputies and Pinckneyville police officers received a call at 9:18 a.m. Saturday for reckless driving. Nine minutes later, officers tried to stop a blue 2016 Ford Hatchback, which failed to stop, the sheriff’s office said. An officer had to pull in front of the Ford to block it to force the vehicle to stop."
mircea_popescu: anyway, a device would be neat, but i'm persuaded it won't be the first thing.
mircea_popescu: you can maybe make a hard ceiling.
asciilifeform: but even on pc you can make a hard ceiling.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my proposal included a device for gateway 'line rate crypto', recall.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh. so now you're married to hardware ? why even do it software then, make gossipd a chip
mircea_popescu: this is from a different dimension.
mircea_popescu: you at some point wrote a c program which, when compiled anywhere, resulted in the same COUNT of cpu cycles being used ?
asciilifeform: and can be placed in a limit of C cycles for n-bit rsa, say.
asciilifeform: verifying a sig is not rocket surgery.
mircea_popescu: so it solved nothing, just a hack.
asciilifeform: then you catch the author of the code, hang him upside-down, and beat with a long bamboo pole.
mircea_popescu: suppose i can get a process to overrun the time ceiling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ceiling is a dirty hack. there's no practical way to guarantee it solves the problem.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529708 << what, like a Ln sorta thing ?!?!?! :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
asciilifeform: why am i reading a chronicle of some dude cleaning his fridge, BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: it does promise to be a complete solution for its limited domain, i'll give you that.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it cuts a chunk of the domain which is conveniently choseb
mircea_popescu: by definition this is a PARTICULAR solution
phf: right timing attacks with gpg as backend i get. i assumed that attacker being able to discover topology is a given (with spec as written)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 03:13 phf: hehe, actually ambush strategy is one of the reasons there's no known solutions for general networks, which must be a bummer for dod
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
mircea_popescu: everyting "can be construed as trust" if one has this scalar notion of trust. "here is what body doing X thing reported its IP to be at the time it was doing the X thing" is a very different statement from "i expect to find my house at the corner of cunt street with shit creek"
mircea_popescu: Their successors include Matt Blaze, a widely known cryptographer and associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania; Cindy Cohn, Ms. Steele’s successor as executive director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation; Bruce Schneier, a security author and expert; Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist at McGill University who writes about online activism; Linus Nordberg, a longtime internet and privacy activist; and Megan ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i reread that piece just a few days ago
phf: mircea_popescu: it is part of grokking. simply to understand where chose-ciphertext comes in into the whole system, rather than just reddit the conversation. i think we just had a thread about it. i vaguelly suspect the result for an observer is going to be a smug conviction about words
asciilifeform: c lang, for instance, was a 'great thing', until it wasn't.
phf: asciilifeform: so far we don't have a complaining problem though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish to be alpha, but for whatever reason they are realistically incapable of it, so they must accept the role of trying to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:15 phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was a lulzy situation, montevideo was "besieged" for like a decade, they (mostly foreign merchants) ended up calling out a foreign legion, garibaldi showed up...
phf: well, unless you mean that his childhood abroad is what made him, he was still a frenchman born in a consulate, and he went back to Paris when he was young
mircea_popescu: "he was a romanian writer from vojvodina (a serb land) in the kingdom of hungary, part of the empire" sorta deal, i guess.
phf: well, i know that lautreamont didn't consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young though, so i think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of the time. considering how over the top nihilist it is, i assumed that it was a joke