asciilifeform: because , for instance, they already have one.

asciilifeform: fwiw worx great . but they'd rather use intel's.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: we even had a thread about this

asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p

asciilifeform not expert on subj

asciilifeform: i thought mass was enough..

asciilifeform: hm, point

asciilifeform: why not both pull

asciilifeform: sounds inefficient

asciilifeform: and while suffering aids and ebola!111

asciilifeform: and whence the ox.

asciilifeform: what field, lol

asciilifeform: they also have living capital, in india etc : people who, e.g., still know how to make cloth, and can live N to a room without killing self or each other

asciilifeform: they're in afgan, where rent is 20

asciilifeform: that meat ain't meat, it's whatever they scrape from the floor at meat plant, + corn starch

asciilifeform: recall asciilifeform's 'food depo' photos ?

asciilifeform: orly

asciilifeform: incognito, if you must

asciilifeform: visit bmore, mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: i'll point out that su built massive economic base , on the plunder of which the 'civilized' west ~ to this day ~ runs

asciilifeform: i dun see anything peculiar in the pics..

asciilifeform: it's not magical, no, but comes with having capital, vs subsistence living

asciilifeform: and asciilifeform born where ~nobody knew what dollar looked like, lol , what of it

asciilifeform: ( and jurisdiction-shopping )

asciilifeform: this is possible when you're mircea_popescu and have leverage.

asciilifeform: i'd happily move to a planet with no pdiddy.

asciilifeform: to give less of it to rentseekers.

asciilifeform: fact is that it is the most effective way to 'get moar money'

asciilifeform: mega-insight

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not jump very high, and go to mars, aha

asciilifeform: ( and in fact i considered lafondlandia, even, and did go there, and haggle with realtors, chitchat with the criminally insane locals, etc. and concluded that it was just short of +ev )

asciilifeform: fwiw i'd like to solve what i see as the solvable problem, of minimizing living expense without having to live among scum

asciilifeform: experience.

asciilifeform: if i were to pay 10x less rent, would have more than 10x the unwanted hyoomancontact.

asciilifeform: it is optional now but veeey expensive.

asciilifeform: make optional. the way having children is.

asciilifeform: and it wasn't, somehow, any longer a thing to which 'you simply gotta get used to '.

asciilifeform: at one point folx were used to typhus and everything, incl. houses of great lords ( see last night's plumbing b00k link ) stinking of shit. then came the tech to stop.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even consider introversion as anything other than insanity, does he.

asciilifeform: but not nearly as fun

asciilifeform: it's free!11

asciilifeform: 100% physically closed cycle, motherfuckers, on mars, if i could!1111 ☟︎

asciilifeform: and would generate my food, if it could.

asciilifeform: also i dunno re mircea_popescu , but machine does my laundry

asciilifeform: yes, them

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in fact. iirc it cost him 10k usd or so, originally, in 2007ish

asciilifeform: phf: if not open-ocean capable, it's rubbish, because fails at the elementary task of putting distance b/w operator and otherpeople

asciilifeform: phf: the old boat, he sold, it was an off-the-shelf item

asciilifeform: phf: he had, then, like idiot, got a wife

asciilifeform: i fully expect that he'll sail in it

asciilifeform: monkey living.

asciilifeform: disingenuous to compare

asciilifeform: umm phf these dun look like oceanic vessels

asciilifeform puts on conveyor

asciilifeform: phf: sails+livable ?

asciilifeform: this could very well be true, but imho oughta be approached as ~technical~ question

asciilifeform: 'be own slavegirl'

asciilifeform: same idea. orlol's, or gentoo, or almost all of asciilifeform's equipment, is of this type

asciilifeform: if he puts in the time.

asciilifeform: artisan, on otherhand, can make 2 $ shoes that will outlast mircea_popescu's 2$k

asciilifeform: these are products of mass industry, mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: item that sails ~for kalash budget~ is not well catered to. afaik.

asciilifeform: when industry has 0 interest in your problem domain -- it's artisanal, or nuffin'

asciilifeform: FG exists. so -- plainly false.

asciilifeform: cheap + as close to 0 recurring cost as possible.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661221 << old iron-bottomed ( built to be disposable ) diesels are no solution to anything but scrap business . ☝︎

asciilifeform: afaik it was not released as of yet

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661219 << d00d never claimed to invent anything -- just publishes design, like FG is published, wat ☝︎

asciilifeform: those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661225 << has approx same to do with modern rent racket, as with mars ☝︎

asciilifeform: technical problems admit technical solutions. but i suppose political problem ( mircea_popescu simply loathes the idea , Answer Lies In The Sewers - style, ohnoez folx with modest means living rent-free ) does not ..?

asciilifeform: iirc also mircea_popescu's technical objections were, imho, intellectually lazy ('pipe fittings will cost their weight in gold, because boat and they can' -- by same token rng MUST cost 10k $, because raytheon's does; 'must drag it to shore to paint bottom' -- also fixable, make the bottom from inconel or hastelloy ; etc )

asciilifeform: but iirc we already had this thread.

asciilifeform: fuck payingrent.

asciilifeform: it's poor-misanthrope tech and i'm for it, to the hilt.

asciilifeform: i disagree that the ugly boat is intrinsically bad idea

asciilifeform: hem the wrong way in any one of several ways: it doesn’t fit the glamorous image of yachting, it is useless for either sport or ostentation, and it shows people the way to live and enjoy themselves on the water for very little money. Anathema!'

asciilifeform: in other crackpotteries, http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-boat-for-reluctant-sailor.html >> orlol's boat thing, 'To be sure, some people found the project fascinating and, based on the blog stats, went and read all about it. And some of them wished me and the project the very best luck. But the most vocal people were also the most negative. In all, it appears that most of the people who responded did so because QUIDNON rubbed t

asciilifeform: and mcd

asciilifeform: and hey, nowhere is it written that it even has an answer, maybe folx simply dun need gadgets.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made. ☟︎

asciilifeform: aaha

asciilifeform: they're big on fungibility-of-everything.

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: what are courts even about, if not ordering folx to do x, cease y

asciilifeform: lol hey we have this in usa, court obligated immigration ministry to let in allahsnackbar that mr.t wanted to keep out...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's this look like in typical practice ?

asciilifeform: ok sent

asciilifeform: i do not unfortunately have this luxury.

asciilifeform: usg owns email.

asciilifeform: and i've mostly abandoned it

asciilifeform: mail from my actual mail server no longer gets through ~anywhere

asciilifeform: kept for the purpose

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i typically send these ~from~ a gmail

asciilifeform: aite, i'ma write.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: doesn't advocate whitening, or any other obvious liquishit, which is a jawdropping rarity.

asciilifeform: has various ( imho quality ) articles on subj.

asciilifeform: fwiw d00d actually works (as academic) on optical rng

asciilifeform: aha?