asciilifeform: http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/Beta-Packard.jpg << the type i had

asciilifeform: ^ commercial gadget, made for 40+ yrs

asciilifeform: http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/coincidence.jpg

asciilifeform: but yes, you would want to do it with beta decay.

asciilifeform: or visit spy shop and get the laser microfone, same idea.

asciilifeform: analogue.

asciilifeform: works on this principle, does not need mega-clock.

asciilifeform: aite, if mircea_popescu insists, it can be made to work with gamma. and yes, clock is sufficiently repeatable. visit gun shop, get laser distance meter.

asciilifeform: fughet the gamma.

asciilifeform: with 2 opposite photomultiplier tubes

asciilifeform: commercial scintillation counter

asciilifeform: and i actually had this device, and used every day, at one time

asciilifeform: because you actually ~do~ get 2 geometrically opposite emissions

asciilifeform: now i keep waiting for mircea_popescu to say 'you would use beta decay, fool'

asciilifeform: you know because they're X/c apart

asciilifeform: ( where famously tie-two-jews-together-to-use-1bullet )

asciilifeform: like nazi bullet

asciilifeform: gamma photon can set off 2 detectors, one after the other

asciilifeform: not necessarily

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand?

asciilifeform: 'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing. First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661136 is probably as close as anybody could hope to get, to it ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.

asciilifeform: ( and then you're stuck with a prng, with the attendant consequences )

asciilifeform: jurov: afaik no solution is known , aside from the familiar 'prng and seed published at the end of the day/week/whichever'

asciilifeform: jurov: the problem posed is quite reminiscent of ye olde 'provably fair casino' thread of '14

asciilifeform: and suspect that it cannot exist.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i know of no such algo

asciilifeform: what would that do, Framedragger ?

asciilifeform: ( or after, whichever. )

asciilifeform: you could buffer it and sign parcels prior to transmission

asciilifeform: in tcp

asciilifeform: jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin .

asciilifeform: honest rng maker has 0 to be afraid of from posting arbitrarily large sample.

asciilifeform: this is not intended to rain on mod6 et al's parade, but rather in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662086 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! http://nosuchlabs.com updated .

asciilifeform: jurov: what make of ssd was it ?

asciilifeform: neato BingoBoingo

asciilifeform: for starters.

asciilifeform: != 'just works'

asciilifeform: $closedturdapplication is required to sync...

asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read the quoted text ?

asciilifeform: i know folx who might like it.

asciilifeform: jurov: if you get the thing rooted plz lemme know

asciilifeform: after it was cracked properly

asciilifeform: in all fairness, sony is infamous for this, i had their original prs500

asciilifeform: even 'amazon' does not stoop this low.

asciilifeform: jurov, why didja link this, it's a turd.

asciilifeform: 'Digital Paper Application is required for synchronization and document transfer between Digital Paper and PC. USB connection required to install the Digital Paper application on your PC.' << srsly?!

asciilifeform: (supposing the comp were gentooable, rather than 'chromebook' etc liquishit)

asciilifeform: now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point

asciilifeform: i also see 0 mention of os

asciilifeform: that work in full colour and <10ms refresh.

asciilifeform: i already have lcd toys with that res tho

asciilifeform: esp if it has the usual snail refresh

asciilifeform: 1650 x 2200 is nothing to write home about, tho

asciilifeform: jurov: i have a large collection of various einktrons

asciilifeform: !!up NoMyName

asciilifeform: minus: intel nics.

asciilifeform: ^ with dram socket !!

asciilifeform: if anyone gets hold of one & tries -- plz post.

asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.

asciilifeform: like all other blades, this one worx best when sharp.

asciilifeform: there was this one time, however, when great persian царь-государь xerxes, negrated the sea...

asciilifeform: try an' drink what falls from sky here.

asciilifeform: i buy barrels of water. can laugh at it just the same.

asciilifeform: for game, most folx seem happy with porcelain, prng, rather than platinum, trng, toilet. but hey - who wants, can sell, buy.

asciilifeform: for montecarlo then ?

asciilifeform: e.g. admiral yamamoto.

asciilifeform: quite conceivably 'proof that he did' will be delivered to your smoking crater, and won't do much good.

asciilifeform: cryptocompromise as a 'manageable risk' under any scenario is imho lunacy.

asciilifeform: FG easily fits in sack with laptop neh.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate re hypothetical conditions ?

asciilifeform: now i'm curious

asciilifeform: but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i intend to be quite dead, also can't help.

asciilifeform: trinque: that was in re industrial collapse

asciilifeform: can't help, there.

asciilifeform: aaah 'perceived values', yes, that's three doors down from asciilifeform . right next to where they make the plastic 'bitcoins' and plastic porches etc.

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: the value of promisetronically engraved 'your name on it' is ~0.

asciilifeform: 'wallet inspector'

asciilifeform: anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?

asciilifeform: separate q.

asciilifeform: montecarlo-grade rng bits -- inf.

asciilifeform: lap dance works on 1 lap at a time

asciilifeform: rather like 'price of porn'

asciilifeform: mod6: so only question of time before price goes to 0 and stays there permanently.

asciilifeform: mod6: pretty easy to undercut to death tho

asciilifeform: link?

asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate plox

asciilifeform: 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (dead tree!)

asciilifeform: on the other, historic end of things, we have the infamous https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418/index2.html

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had thread, las vegas runs 100% on usg-supplied prng (yes, prng) boxes, welded shut

asciilifeform: ( though i'm prepared to hear from mircea_popescu how even this, is not so )

asciilifeform: i dun think anyone ever got rich, by pitching to'em

asciilifeform: mod6: whichever model you go with, beggars are probably not the target market

asciilifeform: neither will create entropy from thin air. but one destroys, other -- not