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trinque: ther eis a whole round of dead shartups on that idiot idea
thestringpuller: trinque: from my point of view it's better to buy 1 year of netflix in cash from a store than to have them charge your debit card 12 times throughout the year.
mircea_popescu: trinque if paper counts then we got a problem because i suspect it makes txn uncountable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. it took a lot of finessing to geting here!
thestringpuller: trinque: lemme simplify - from my experience the throughput of a payment processor is due specifically to the devolution of the use of money.
trinque: more importantly, the willingness to ignore instances in one's own day where he bought a screwdriver or roll of toilet paper...
trinque: the inability to hold to a particular topic is astonishing
mircea_popescu: financial exchanges are a different kettle of fish, usually happen on actual exchanges.
trinque: kill half the earth, you could still have a world where 1mb blocks do not hold all the financial exchange
mircea_popescu: not a bad name huh.
trinque: we were talking about a bot!
asciilifeform: why the hell would anyone mine these, other than if his mother dropped him as a child.
mircea_popescu: oh with a fee. no fee!
asciilifeform: attempting to bill the gym per-minute, with a 0.1 fee tx every minute, would be braindamaged though.
asciilifeform: i also do not care what the other one licked if i actually grasp subj. e.g., i don't give a fuck that it produced ada.
mircea_popescu: a right, i forgot teh splitting.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:03 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538962 << the way this knot is cut is that there are 2 usg, the one that delivers my mail every couplea weeks to the house across the street, and the other one. and i don't give a flying fuck what the dumb one licked. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is a plainly dumb thing to do from their pov.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:20 mircea_popescu: this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539002 << i must point out that this is a strictly temporary situation. miners have ZERO incentive to mine 'old coinbase tx' for 0fee. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: deedbot is intended to have a wallet so i can deposit a whole btc with it and then pay it a little bit whenever rather than have to send multiple transactions. THIS particular aspect of "microtransactions" is rather opposite to the common conception thereof.
thestringpuller: iirc first data was bought by someone for debt and for many years was used as a tax writeoff since it delcared 0 profit
mircea_popescu: the only problem here asciilifeform is that you have a firm opinion about an item you've not bothered to understand ; and the opinion is spit-glued on what may be the effigy of a live hyena except it;'s a stone gargoyle.
thestringpuller: well that's a misconception trinque
trinque: you know, *paying for things* solves a great deal of the world's got-something-for-showing-up problems
asciilifeform: trinque: i can say when a deal is a bum deal and i won't take.
mircea_popescu: this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age. ☟︎
asciilifeform: y'know, like 'mortar' used to refer to a cannon where the caliber is within order of magnitude of the length.
thestringpuller: i see this as a deframentation problem than anythin (hence why i also consolidate inputs in an address before they become dust)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform less than the price of a working nuclear submarine with all the trims.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 02:58 mircea_popescu: what the fuck's one to do ? there's a major difference between "all these people running around blathering about how bitcoin will change the world of starbucks are idiots" and "micropayments are evil". even though at the time a bunch of idiots run around like they run the place, the difference is negligible.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538953 << let's have a working definition of a 'micro' payment. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: eulora provides a convenient way to do this ; but there's no rule one gotta use THAT particular solution.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the whole point is that if i want to pay deedbot 100 satoshi for whatever, i'd rather have this as an offchain txn than as a blockchain spam tx
trinque: with a one megabyte block to serve the whole world's 10min of txn, your groceries *are* a fucking micropayment.
thestringpuller: there's a reason I don't pay for my groceries in pennies...
thestringpuller: !~later tell tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose humani nihil a respublica puto.
mircea_popescu: seems a significant chunk of disputes arise from misapprehension rather than a genuine difference of opinion an' what's worse, seems to me the trend is upwards.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck's one to do ? there's a major difference between "all these people running around blathering about how bitcoin will change the world of starbucks are idiots" and "micropayments are evil". even though at the time a bunch of idiots run around like they run the place, the difference is negligible. ☟︎
shinohai: I wonder what are the Bitpay people on schedule for, gonna give a speech on how to get hacked?
mircea_popescu: anyway. argentina is a fine place for it, more derpy posers per square mile here than almost anywhere in the world.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#49 << it's a convention, nothing to get really.
mod6: ben_vulpes: Sir, please weigh in here when you get a spare moment. ^
asciilifeform: mod6: this merits a thread imho. it is not reasonable to ask that every ablebodied fella WRITE a useful patch. but why not READ ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> not a vpatch, at ant rate. << fair distinction
asciilifeform: not same thing as a payerbot by any means.
trinque: I'm saying it is a robot handling money
asciilifeform: and robots in charge of money are a recipe for tears.
trinque: asciilifeform: how to do micropayments for deeds and rss notifications without a wallet?
asciilifeform: not a vpatch, at ant rate.
asciilifeform: 'drownbot hands you a broomstick.'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 00:06 mircea_popescu: it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538879 << oh hey... did ben_vulpes , co-chairman, ever sign a vpatch..? ☝︎
mod6: alright. now we'll begin a testing cycle. when we're done with that, will sign and publish vpatch.
trinque: a very brief overview is that there is one deposit address, encrypted OTPs are archived elsewhere as they are sent to transactors, then deeded, and withdrawals involve a human walk over the account history before dispatching a txn.
trinque: could think of it like bitcoin is a corrosive that *will* find its way out of the container if it can
mircea_popescu: trinque soonish we'll end up with a sort of space sim, "you dock to station trinque, here's what's available"
trinque: that said shinohai pls do not hook a cruddy anything to your trb for your own sake.
trinque: more redundancy the better. these facilities end up being what's available on a particular gossipd node, as I see it
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque. ☟︎
shinohai: What were specs for a bot wallet anyway? There was a cruddy one written by gribble's author I started to hook to trb one time but never finished
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "subscribe" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: holy shit it has a by :
trinque: lol, that one's coming in a minute! measure twice subscribe once (TM) (R)
trinque: I hate when it puts a space in front too
shinohai: should be just a sec
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "In a twist of irony sure not lost to Qntra readers" ?
mircea_popescu: erryone's been using various things for a while.
phf: mircea_popescu: a111's been using $ for search though for a while now
vinimore: in a forum*
vinimore: hi, I found a post in a blog about Eulora
ben_vulpes off to burn a fortune in a fit of pique
ben_vulpes off to contemplate burning another fortune chasing a larger fortune
ben_vulpes: putting girl in tumblr is a different hobby
shinohai imagines many hours and a bottle of castor oil later ......
ben_vulpes: how, praytell, does one swallow a cufflink accidentally?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you know standing up a trinquebot isn't terrifically difficult
trinque: it has a notion of to whom to send
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm not using a rss-tron anymore ; bots ruined me for it.
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of this : any chance one of the bot masters wants to add a "subscribe to comments" option ? whereby i go !~subscribe http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/ and it pings me whenever there's new ones ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 22:00 mircea_popescu: they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease,
mircea_popescu: anyway, think of all the great stuff blockchain technologies allows, guise! you could have like, a satoshi dice based aviator's club, whereby the men all put their house keys in a pile and the women pick from there as previously, BUT whether the dick works or not is now blockchain lottery based!
ben_vulpes: heh i actually remember when it was! 'diamond age' has a great gag where the poors with shitty ocular implants have to suffer viral ads all day and go insane
ben_vulpes: jurov: myeah i gave up on the cyberpunk dream of technology in my body a loooong time ago.
mircea_popescu: btw jurov mind protesting the heteronormative pronz a little bit, i need something to counterbalance alf!
trinque: mircea_popescu: hey that has a handle you can pull, or so I gather
mircea_popescu recommends trinque undergo a recreational sounds session.
mircea_popescu: never cut up a penis ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, can be flushed right out with a gentle solvent.
ben_vulpes: carries a positive charge, shreds sperm cell walls.
mircea_popescu was personally acquainted with lovely, bouncy redhead who got like a dozen in one year.
mircea_popescu: a trip to... hm. what ?
ben_vulpes: weekly abortions yikes what a nightmare
ben_vulpes: any girls are getting implants, and the boys get a trip to india for the plastic
mircea_popescu: depends. are you A and do you know B ?
ben_vulpes: i wonder if you can get a bulk discount for getting your kids out of us.jail?