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mircea_popescu: but by now i just can't summon teh interest on the basis of looks for crying out loud.
nubbins`: i'm into printing shirts, doesn't mean i do it outside ;D
nubbins`: i can't think of anyone into drag that's not at least a semi-recluse
mircea_popescu: isn't this something else ? a drag queen shut in ?
mircea_popescu: actually, my next door neighbour is a drag queen. incredibly, doesn't like to go out much, orders in pretty much every day.
nubbins`: that's sort of what facebook is for, but i can't make fun of specific people
nubbins`: but seriously though, the guy bought WAL-MART BRAND t-shirts
fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour?
mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio.
assbot: When One Pay Raise a Year Isn't Enough - WSJ
nubbins`: (answer: they wouldn't)
kyuupichan: pankkake: It already does of course. ING's mindless sellout doesn't realize it yet.
nubbins`: "a new thing in the future that won't be bitcoin should give us a slice of the pie"
Vexual: or view t o '15
Vexual: likea blooberg interviewm you don't knmow wwhats coming thru
pankkake: in the end, the lambo and the dacia will be allowed on the highway, the tricycle won't
pankkake: nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <= it's much worse, it's like "I can't purchase a lamborghini, so I will buy a tricycle"
Vexual: but if you're asking i'll say if it can't be done with erlang and perl it's not worth doing
danielpbarron: nothing wrong with a +1 saw on irc, unless it isn't true
benkay: so what - spaces don't denote function call from args?
asciilifeform: dice << http://youtu.be/srDronvs3L4?t=53s ☟︎
decimation: you wouldn't, if you could avoid it
benkay: Rassah: saying that doesn't make it any less of a retarded strawman argument in this context.
nubbins`: can't drive to work in a sandwich? who cares!
Rassah: benkay: I didn't say that is what is being suggested here. That is, in fact, what is being suggested in places all over outside of here. No one has suggested anything here, other than that the method I am involved wit is worse than...
Rassah: benkay: this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. // actually this is what is being suggested that people do to create secure paper wallets. I am suggesting that ours is comparable. At the least because people who use that method don't check the RNGs of the systems they use, and at the most because we don't actually use an RNG chip, and use our own source of randomness.
mircea_popescu: of course you didn't get some. you're married.
cazalla: who me? no, wasn't that sort of dream
cazalla: mircea_popescu, so i had this dream about you, in a lobby, it was eyes wide shut-esque except you wouldn't let me come upstairs where the women were but then you sent 2 down to me at the bar so i was content
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140715120259 << "The question now was how to integrate it. OpenBSD developers don't like huge diffs for a very good reason. After fixing the inode format and adding new flags, Ted pointed out the ancient rule "whoever touched it last now becomes the maintainer" was valid even here."
mike_c: i haven't seen it, which is why i don't own one.
mike_c: i can't do non-ergonomic
copumpkin: well, from what I've seen (i just started tinkering with hopper a couple of days ago, so I dunno), the basic hopper disassembler interface/functionality isn't all that different from IDA's
asciilifeform: but there isn't an actual substitute.
asciilifeform: copumpkin: don't misunderstand - if there were an actual substitute, and it only ran under, whatever, ultrix, that'd count
copumpkin: asciilifeform: yeah, the decompiler output seems kinda flaky and silly. The Mac OS thing doesn't seem like a big deal that makes it a "monopoly"
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: the issue isn't whether one likes it, but whether any practical substitute (other than 'objdump' and 10-100x the time/sweat) exists.
BingoBoingo: %t
benkay: don't hate the player
benkay: don't crypto and drugs
mike_c: didn't you lose the one because you were stoned?
benkay: <Rassah> who won't be bothered to create a Tails linux distro on a USB, generate addresses on them using Bitaddress or something, printing to a USB connected priner, and wiping the printer // this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. as a person nominally involved in "public relations" you should never commit such derpitude in public.
benkay: <Rassah> so tech knowledge enough to be able to check how the software works, and maybe hardware knowledge to know what chips are being used in the schematic // well if its chips and an rng, asciilifeform's likely to tell you that unless you can inspect the chips (which you can't), you can't make claims about the RNG.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's a shortcut for the consumer. It's the opposite of a shortcut to produce. Doing the minimum is the right way to produce. Never mind we won't polish the burrs off the edges either.
Rassah: I seriously hate this keyboard btw... It's a very old microsoft touch-type wireless ergonomic, and it misses the keys around the G and H constantly. But I'm too cheap of a bastard to get a better one. So, please ignore my typos, and don't let them reflect on my grammar skills (I took Latin, damnit!)
Rassah: This ting is made for people who are not techy (most of not bitcoiners) who won't be bothered to create a Tails linux distro on a USB, generate addresses on them using Bitaddress or something, printing to a USB connected priner, and wiping the printer. I think this device, where you plug t into your printer and hit print, will make bitcoin a hell of a lot easier to secure for the masses. And it costs a fracton of what the other
mircea_popescu: isn't this fleshlight in nucet ?
Rassah: And yes, if the software and hardware is completely open source and public, why wouldn't someone want to sell cheaper knockoffs? We hope we can still sell outs at a premium, due to our reputaton and such, but...
Rassah: We have sources, we just don't want cheap chinese knockoffs undercutting us before we even ship
mircea_popescu: you know, i had told you this won't work about an hour ago.
mircea_popescu: Rassah do you know what the cook said when the people in the restaurant didn't like his shit soup ?
Rassah: I am not tech, no. I wasn't aware that these things actually retained any bits when you yank them out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha the tech won't read any of this.
BingoBoingo: Rassah: That too, but I just want to point out that even for signing cleartext, it isn't workable.
mircea_popescu: he could also say "i don't want my signature to be dependent on the code written last year by a bunch of dudebros"
Rassah: BingoBoingo: You could just say "Bitcoin address doesn't support encryption, or storing identity inside the key"
BingoBoingo: Rassah: And the last tolerable version of Multibit does something else as well. When PGP/GPG has the ascii armored text block already it just isn't worth trying to replace it with bitcoin signing just to save a few bytes.
asciilifeform: Rassah: the skew we're talking about isn't rng output skew - the kind that can be addressed with von neuman's algo, etc. it's the actual physical effect you're using.
Rassah: asciilifeform: We've dealt with skew stuff too. I don't remember what it was, but it was addressed (I think we have more than enough enropy to work with or something)
BingoBoingo: Rassah: ... Otherwise I don't know what the difference in implementation is between PGP and BTC signing << Other big difference is PGP signing has a nice container for inline signatures attached to signed human readable text of arbitrary length
Rassah: and won't that make an excelent opportunity for someone to sell a device just like ours, using their own trusted sram chips? Maybe for more money, but more secure?
Rassah: won't that cost them way more?
BingoBoingo: Rassah: Anyone ever wonder how the hell Brock, whom no one knew much about, got elected to the BF board, when the public either does't know him or hates his guts? To me that says connections of some sort... << 90's nostalgia
Rassah: We don't use hashing as a source of entropy, no. Only to combine ours with a salt
mircea_popescu: Rassah well then i guess they don't get to talk about it at all, to no-one's particular detriment.
Rassah: BingoBoingo: I think Prius calls it a transaxle too. But I don't see it as any sort of normal "transmission"
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Not realy. The reason I was hired is because they don't have time or patience for that
mircea_popescu: Rassah seriously, this guy can't irc or something ?
BingoBoingo: Rassah: What I didn't know before is that Priuses have no transmissions, timing belts, or belts f any kind, and reqire practicaly no mainenance other than 10k mile oil changes and 100k brake pad and transaxle fluid changes. Everything else is electric... After $600+ expenses every 3 to 5 years on my Honda Civic, this is awesome. The 60mpg helps too << Transaxel is just a sideways transmission
asciilifeform: Rassah: my purpose isn't pedantry. try to apprehend: i buy your product, get a keychain-sized gizmo with a single chip. how do i verify that the package functions exactly as described?
asciilifeform: Rassah: then it doesn't matter what you did to plug in the random bits - they are smeared across the 'ciphertext' (if you will, the hash output) and can be inferred.
Rassah: It may reduce entropy, but it inreases he number of attack vectors, doesn't it? Attacker would need both the hardware based RNG and the salt to compromise it
mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound terribly mature somehow.
Rassah: So, we won't be relying on Atmel's RNG, and will be reading their SRAM directly
CheckDavid: Can't I up myself anymore? :p
mircea_popescu: anyway, i still don't know what it is or what's to go gaga over.
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Typicall they are one and the same. It's rare that people who dn't know whit about a topic shit all over it. Unless they're politicians
Rassah: mircea_popescu: I haven't heard a peep from asciilifeform, actually. Most complaints ave been from slush
Rassah: I am especially concerned about the one where mining in a pool is made difficult to impossible by making sharing a secret key that lets the miner steal all coins a requirement. The way I see it is, we either have pools that concentrate mining power, but don't actually own or control that power, or we create incentives for individuals to amass tons of mining power, since being a smal miner or as part of a pool is impossible, and
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> Anyone ever wonder how the hell Brock, whom no one knew much about, got elected to the BF board, when the public either does't know him or hates his guts? To me that says connections of some sort... /// but how to apply this logic to Ploshay?
mircea_popescu: i don't do safewords either.
pankkake: that wsan't rape, that was ironic sex!
Rassah: It's supported by bitcoind, blockchain.info, Armory, Mycelium, and probably many others. I figured bitcoin message signing is a step in the right direction, because not many are working on making PGP keys secure as hell, but tons of people are woking on making Bitcoin keys secure as hell, and easy to use from wallets. Otherwise I don't know what the difference in implementation is between PGP and BTC signing
mircea_popescu: perhaps because you also don't know who laid down the ruleset for the sec, and really for the whole us
Rassah: I tought it was him, but didn't want to risk insulting you, because I didn't know what your opinion of him is
Rassah: Anyone ever wonder how the hell Brock, whom no one knew much about, got elected to the BF board, when the public either does't know him or hates his guts? To me that says connections of some sort...
Rassah: mircea_popescu: I don't think washed out child actors have millions privately invested in tons of companies, and tak about this shit over 20 rounds of beer that they pay with an AmEx Centurion card
Rassah: pankkake: I agree with you that you don't need a coin for anything backed. Backing is by definition centralized, so the only thing you can decentralize is the servers handling it. Which, I guess using a distributed ledger instead of a centralized one running on your own server saves you a bit of money, but...
mircea_popescu: Rassah and if instead he were just a washed up child actor with a charged past, looking to come to terms with his depression, wouldn't he be claiming basically the exact same things ?
pankkake: in any case, you don't need a "coin"
Rassah: That's partially why Realcoin, too. Get the pot stirring, maybe someone will get upset and make something better, maybe not, likely it won't go anywhere (he doesn't think it will last may years), but as long as he had fun, he does't give a shit
benkay: <nubbins`> wait, so taleb didn't take the bait from that really super cringey video you paid for? // 30 second doses were all i could handle
pankkake: isn't realcoin the stupidest thing ever?
fluffypony: so I don't think that's a good match
fluffypony: Rassah: mircea_popescu isn't into little boys
mircea_popescu: which apparently doesn't even need to be online.
Rassah: you don't tak about assassination market based disincentives in public, no
pankkake: as there wasn't much to say, so it ends up being weird
nubbins`: wait, so taleb didn't take the bait from that really super cringey video you paid for?
mircea_popescu: well that didn't work.