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jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "bcstas" is not a valid command.
Framedragger: A N A R C H Y
asciilifeform: it is merely a real object that can be copied and teleported.
asciilifeform: the fundamental mistake of 'spec by gcc' is to consider a large computer program as an ideal object.
asciilifeform: just as folks allergic to cat often do not know that they are in fact allergic to a certain parasitic mite that lives in the animal's fur.
asciilifeform: this is why i suspect that folks such as mircea_popescu are not allergic to the idea of a program specifying a concept, but of a concept that CAN ONLY BE specified by THIS HERE PROGRAM
asciilifeform: (not, at any rate, a ~live~ whale)
asciilifeform: just like you cannot keep a whale in a bowl in your kitchen.
asciilifeform: however an ideal object that is two+ heads wide is not a thing.
asciilifeform: a specification can exist as a real object (which is very painful, consider the standard kilogram block, or trb) or an ideal object.
trinque has a flash of insight
asciilifeform: that is something only a jwz could love.
asciilifeform: if it turns out that it is impractical for one man to wrap his head around a cpp compiler, it is cpp that will have to vanish
asciilifeform: ( you do not, in point of fact, even need a digital computer; there were ODE solvers before the computer, and before the transistor. )
asciilifeform: i'd say yes. but ask mircea_popescu when he wakes up, iirc he doesn't even like the idea of a scoopbot
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541168 << like If I quote a quote ☝︎
PeterL: could somebody up scoopbot a sec?
ben_vulpes: http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
PeterL: what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
mircea_popescu: much like a definition of an apple is not an apple ; just so a spec is not a program.
mircea_popescu: maybe ; but a spec is not defined as "can mechanically be transformed into a working program".
asciilifeform: any statement that can be mechanically transformed into a working program, is a program.
mircea_popescu: technology breeds differentiation. pretty sure this is a stable node ; so they'll exist alright.
mircea_popescu: an' i imagine breeding fantasy is when she fantasizes about being tied in a barn, fed, impregnated etc. like a human domestic animal mix.
mircea_popescu: "I'm a 23 year old female who believes in all things kinky. I have major breeding fantasies, and have had multiple children already, all whom I have given up for adoption. I'm helping the world and being a slut all at the same time." << deeze internets.
mircea_popescu: us and argentina have a lot more in common than the usian would like to think ; certainly much closer to argentina than to europe.
mircea_popescu: think, re the "rediscover sickle and work", that sickle is a necessary product of very intensively worked lands in like europe. it's trying to adjust to pressure.
mircea_popescu: reversion to mean is a bitch.
asciilifeform: there was a venice, (most serene!111), a genoa, etc
mircea_popescu: nah. listen, the way these "spanish dominions" worked was that the spanish kind simple claimed the land. there wasn't a 1 spanyard per billion acres.
asciilifeform: it was a spanish production originally.
mircea_popescu: if carrots become scarce, rabbit doesn't start a carrot farm.
asciilifeform: this cult was a thing quite particular to the time and place - folks who are not making motions to industrialize etc. are not at risk.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect this is the whole recipe of south amercan socialism : "we're just as much a bunch of idiot subhuman iron age farmers ; unlike lenin we won't fuck with proletkult"
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale.'
asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/09/kunstlercast-transcript.html but most of it is a snore )
asciilifeform: 'One thing I've observed which is interesting which is that a lot of people will not admit that they're going to vote for Trump but you see it in their eyes. ... they're just keeping mum about it because their own family members will turn on them if they announced the fact that they're about to vote for Trump. There's going to be a huge number of men, specifically, angry ones who keep their anger hidden most of the time, who will wal
asciilifeform: in other orlols, 'In terms of where the Soviet Union stood beside the United States for instance, in the '70s during the oil embargo and all of the troubles that the US was going through, the economic troubles at the time, the Soviet Union was looking pretty good. In fact, that's when we left the Soviet Union thinking we were going to this dreamy place. We got there and it's a dump. It was just an unbelievably sad sight.'
asciilifeform: ( i have been told that a surprising number of robberies involves arms that are obviously, to naked eye, shams. evidently many folks lose their shit and fail to notice... )
mircea_popescu: pick a road, woman!
mircea_popescu: pretty sure a) those neurotic ceramic salesgirls don't matter-of-factly expose their cunt as seen there and b) they've no guns.
asciilifeform: something is buggy here, 'trayvon' would not be found withing a cannon's shot of 'burning man' as i understand.
mircea_popescu: the only difference is that one has "a taste for opulence" and dings your imported german car.
asciilifeform: also the 'thief isn't asking anything' model is quite a bit off. the 'dindus' of bmore are as actively managed and externally fed as the animals in any other zoo. no less so than the white suburban folk. neither sows, nor reaps, etc.
mircea_popescu: he's just an ex thief or a future thief.
asciilifeform: but it does fear the thief. at the very least, as a class. rulers who interfere with a mass plunder in progress tend to develop 'problems'.
mircea_popescu: that's not a required premise.
BingoBoingo: In other news the Bureau adds. "Lastly, you could consider modifying your vehicle with a vehicle security system or secure the catalytic converter to the vehicle frame with additional welding."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trains ~reddit posters in a different color scheme.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like his trainees have a use
mircea_popescu: anyway. dude's "moral code" is a vaguely digested version of picket fences, whereby "hardworking man" "should" "get things" "just like all the others". it's a strand of labour thinking from the 1800s that was born out of a very strange, but temporary and self-limiting situation, and otherwise has no place in the world.
asciilifeform: wolf is a winner.
mircea_popescu: heh. mno. he fails to say "wolf does the right thing - farmer is a fucking idiot for not shooting it. law ? what fucking law."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you might have noticed that in a dispute between wolf and cow the fellow sides wiht... the cow ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/8Sb0n : 'Paramount Pictures recently sent a DMCA takedown to Google, listing a copy of the popular operating system Ubuntu.'
asciilifeform: and i have reason to suspect that mpb is catastrophically defective and fails to pass tx to trb (which, recall, is a reference, one does not get to say that it is broken in vs the unpublished mpb) under certain circumstances.
asciilifeform: half the time i do not even know if he is speaking of a trb -- or mpb! node.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i still have nfi what mircea_popescu's patchset is. understandably he can stay mum about it if he likes, but it makes his debugging reports ~useless from a trb pov.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:15 mircea_popescu: more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540902 << if mircea_popescu built a rotor, he has same STATIC musltronic binary as other people with his patchset. which includes malloc etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:11 mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540897 << sounds like a ~complete spec right here where it stands ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540909 << mircea_popescu is a wolf in the forest..? ☝︎
shinohai: mircea_popescu: a bot spec would help clarify things, yes
ben_vulpes: do you have a ballpark estimate of your nodes memory consumption and restart frequency?
shinohai: oh hey ben_vulpes ... re: memory use growth. yes it does at first but seems to stabilize after a restart
mircea_popescu: well add a watcher or something, mildly curious.
mircea_popescu: more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski please add entries to the bot page for !% !Q !W !R !A !S !X !1 !2 !3 !4 !5 !q !w !r !a !s !x with the mention "not currently allocated" or such, and a note at the end saying in sum that if one wants to make a bot for #trilema they're to take the next unallocated string for his bot's UNIQUE control code, and display what it does to us in channel.
ben_vulpes: subject of pacific dindustan ("hobo island"): http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/theres_a_homeless_camp_on_a_ci.html
BingoBoingo: !~later tell thestringpuller you have been slacking on blogging for a whole month
asciilifeform: well given as ben_vulpes was likely connecting to my boxes, he is seeing a quite similar mempool landscape to mine.
mod6: ben_vulpes: my test node has ~4gb of ram, it usually hangs out around the same, ~3.5G of ram for bitcoin, then after like a month it ooms. then needs to be restarted.
ben_vulpes: ah right. a 7.something iirc?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: 'libtiff' is not a valid currency code.
asciilifeform: 'The Libtiff library, which has been a reference implementation of TIFF for many years, has disappeared from the Internet. It was located at remotesensing.org, a domain whose owner apparently was willing to host it without having any close connection to the project. The domain fell into someone else’s hands, and the content changed completely, breaking all links to Libtiff material.'
mircea_popescu: a ok.
hanbot: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#226 << i updated it a week ago. possibly there are other guides floating around that still use $ ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That's why I'd put a bet on aspiration pneumonia from inhaling food and beverages
pete_dushenski: it's prolly also been a while (decades?) since hillary went for a jog or had a good shagging
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: At her age aspiration pneumonia is a concern. As a Clintion chemical induced pneumonia can not be dismissed either. Even a fungal Aspergillis infection is possible due to dope smoking.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: she probably has the kind of pneu-monia typical of those with a, ahem, spare tire
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:40:57] <phf> pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
shinohai: i still got a few bugs to iron out, so patience is appreciated.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pretty lulzy but some would benefit from a strategic misspelling or two.
asciilifeform: conversation where you have to click 1,001 times to know wtf was being answered, is not my idea of a good time.
mircea_popescu: because it felt EXACTLY like a very severe case.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#993 << i had a very pleasantly mild red hot chilli in a stu last week. cut it in hand, above the pot as it was simmering. thought nothing of it, ate the stu, moved on with life. that night, i took a hot bath, and i drew the conclusion my hand had somehow gone frostbitten indoors.
pete_dushenski: phf: hehe i don't have a bot atm. though by xmas i'll be in better shape to take that on.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:37:23] <trinque> I'm not adding a bunch of retarded state to my bot to be polite to phf's et al
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#952 << not to mention this is a bickening discussion. we'll have to SORT these in an order ? god help me, i'm not doing that.
phf: pete_dushenski: don't you have a bot running? maybe a way for you to reclaim that lordship ;)
pete_dushenski: it came to me not in a dream but just as i was falling asleep. i didn't write the 'bot directory' idea down because... same reason einstein didn't carry notebook
phf: pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:36:00] <trinque> the prefixes were a good idea *because people's fucking bots wont stay up*
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#949 << not just that ; but botmastering threatens to become a rite of passage. i'd much rather go from 1 to 2chars control seq now, when the inconvenience is mostly baseless bitching ; than in 18 months, when i actually run out of single chars and moving is the worst utter nightmare
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 09:28 mircea_popescu: should have a proper list of commands rather than a few words description of what it does though.
ben_vulpes: pdx insider baseball. twitter account in question is a good bit of "ted wheeler is a rich white out of touch dipshit" agitprop.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i did, i taw a puddy tat!