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a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 16:06 diana_coman: reporting is still a different thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834133 << probably just get sane logging in there, then can have noob paste from the respective logfile. ☝︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: consider taking a short at porting cuntoo to pogo, oughta be relatively simple
asciilifeform: i suggested it specifically to shinohai because he's apparently still experimenting with trb and afaik isn't tied up with anyffing else.
diana_coman: I suspect it is tbh but yes, we need some data on this
asciilifeform: ( point being, it may very well be feasible to run a reliable infrastructural trb noad on mech hdd. certainly worth test. )
asciilifeform: actually stike that, there were a few 10-15 min data points
diana_coman: the by-now-usual "it's stupider than you'd think"
asciilifeform: the longest block-processing delays i ever measured were 4-5 minutes, still well below the 10min magic mark
asciilifeform: at any rate, the block processing delay was a kind of red herring, turned out that 'wait for rain to fall' was in fact the culprit in all ( known to asciilifeform ) cases of 'trb node won't stay in sync'
asciilifeform: notably , the patch started life as a general-purpose profiling of a whole buncha things in trb, but i ended up cutting out all but block timing, given as that was where something like 99% of ~active~ (i.e. as opposed to waiting for rain to fall, this was pre- aggression) cycles are spent
diana_coman: right; I didn't press that patch
asciilifeform: diana_coman: reporting block r/w times currently requires pressing with the little patch that takes the times. ( it is not part of 'flagship' trb )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. the old 'rotor'-on-conventional-linux process will finally be obsoleted )
diana_coman: reporting is still a different thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: i expect that soon n00b will be able to revv up a trb box simply by making use of trinque's builder and then 'emerge trb' or the like.
diana_coman: i.e. noob comes, wants to run node, can point him to minimal reporting guidelines sort of thing
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html << for reference; the block timers.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, but it might even help at a later time; it wouldn't be wasted time at any rate
diana_coman: shinohai, hey, thanks!
asciilifeform: aite, this is not a desperately urgent q or anyffing of the kind
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, I didn't; and yes, it has stayed as far as I can tell (i.e. I check it daily to see if it's in sync and it has been in sync for several months now); if you have somewhere a step-by-step thing with what would be interesting to publish, I can go through it and do it but otherwise tbh I'm so swamped with other stuff that it's waaaay at the bottom of any queue
asciilifeform: diana_coman: didja ever post block timer readings from that node ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did ☟︎
asciilifeform: rk3328-roc-cc + usb3sata snake + 1tb mech hdd -- might potentially make a working ~100bux trb node. worth a shot, shinohai , if you have a free hand.
asciilifeform: ( currently failing to dig up in the l0gz; going from memory )
asciilifeform: shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch
shinohai: yeah, not abt to try it without ssd
asciilifeform: shinohai: it is possible to buy e.g. 512G usb stick, but it is poor bang for bux proposition, it will quickly burn
asciilifeform: shinohai: prolly the best result re trb on rockchip would be with 'adult' samsung sata ssd via usb3-sata snake ( you can buy short one, that fits in box )
mod6: asciilifeform: oh, interesting, thought it was netbsd
shinohai: i more interested in rockchip now, because trb
shinohai: oh neat. i already got a 32G sandisk with bsd working, din want to overwrite since i had no spare
shinohai: but still a neat box all in all for things like fw on cheap
asciilifeform: it is, but worx for so long as you dun write to it, lol
shinohai: but it is tucked in neat beside the pogoplug, still chugging along and rsyncing blocks
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc it has a very modest max current, you need a small/slow drive, like the vendor's original
shinohai: my obstacle is that erl has trouble reading some usb drives, gotta get another sandisk
asciilifeform: shinohai: almost ? what was the obstacle ?
shinohai: i almost got one of trinques cuntoo's to build for mips64 to run on erl xD
shinohai: read that this morning with coffee, nice worx
asciilifeform: shinohai: issued 1st cuntoo box to pizarro customer the other day ( see l0gz )
shinohai: im following the rockchip stuff and been meaning to put my logbot in there
shinohai: ah ty asciilifeform ... been busy with irl stuffs but hope to resume shortly.
mod6: How goes today?
ave1: btw the most recent version will only build static executables! so no support for shared anything. Does the musl / gentoo overlay depend on shared libs? (Python usually builds statically and depends for installable modules on it, etc.)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 15:14 trinque: ave1: how far away is bit-identical build in your gcc?
ave1: trinque, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833848, working on it but this is going slowly (so not very soon) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: even wider array of things|!!!
mircea_popescu: bitcoloring tool!
mircea_popescu: oh i see, need something to warn about missing license headers. now it all makes sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in abominably rubbishy toolchains, the practice of 'doing the checks the compiler oughta have but author was dropped as a baby and so it doesn't', roughly.
mircea_popescu: im trying to remember wtf "linting" even is supposed to be.
asciilifeform: gotta love usg.opensores. 'buy this thing, with which you can do ~0 but admire the might of the great inca!'
asciilifeform: https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-07-12#22572942; << thread, for givers of shits
asciilifeform: in other lulz , https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ccd << amstan et al publish their Official usg debug snake . ( holyfuq, wai so complicated, mine is 2 resistors lol )
ben_vulpes: sticky note over the "please shoot me in the face" triggers of shitstack
ben_vulpes: https://eslint.org/blog/2018/07/postmortem-for-malicious-package-publishes << the entertaining part is how much work they put into disguising Kevin Partington's role as "the maintainer"
mircea_popescu: first thing, you know, slavegirl comes across is this plain "you're entirely fucking worthless". pons asinorum, as it were.
mircea_popescu: and the wives, too, strike me as the products of people who think women valuable.
asciilifeform: dunno that the official spiel has any connection, however tenuous, to reality. you've witnessed the products of ameri-schooling. do said schools strike you as an item produced by folx who 'believe kidz valuable' ?
mircea_popescu: it's not much of a solution, to wit it doesn't even concinve anyone, but at least it doesn't include serfs' faces and boots and mud.
mircea_popescu: so modern democracy came up with "kids are SO VERY VALUABLE!!!" it's worth having some. and then took it to heart, hence all the "college debt" mess of financial misdirection, and all the "you can do anyuthing" mess of intellectual misdirection.
mircea_popescu: in the end the problem is this : "modern democracy" ran into the same problem all societies ever ran into : explaining to men why they should bother fathering. the traditional manner was, "you must have an heir, to keep on your traditions stepping on serf faces", and unacceptable.
asciilifeform: i dun dispute that they could believe. but the hypothesis dun strike me as a necessary one.
mircea_popescu: they're not what they are, in the sense of, history. they are what they could be. see ?
mircea_popescu: they're only there ironically, don't you know ?
mircea_popescu: if man will do anything, man will tell stories.
asciilifeform: let's suppose mircea_popescu has it , and 'they all believe' . how the hell do they show up to the 9-to-5 cube then.
mircea_popescu: everyone believes all coulds all the time. proof to the contrary is dismissed under some pretext or other.
mircea_popescu: because why ? because you'll just make up classes to explain it away as need be ?
asciilifeform: ( goes with territory, neh )
asciilifeform: mothers are in their own weight class of risk category for this disease.
mircea_popescu: i doubt this very much.
asciilifeform: again , outside of the open-air mental asylum of liberast www etc , not so many folx actually believe that 'hey i COULD be gold medalist runner' or the like
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, but interchangeable parts... this transistor ~COULD~ be part of that radio, OR of this one ?
asciilifeform: ( typical specimen on the street , victim of ameri-schooling, naturally does not know what is a serf, word says nothing to him. but if you explain it, he'll nod, 'yes that's me' )
mircea_popescu: this could business... it cuts quite a far swathe. 1518 dairy ~couldn't~ believe she could sit on duchess couch, take duke cock. COULD NOT. doesn't fit in there, like with ducks. in the immortal words of a certain mammie, "it ain't fittin', it just ain't fittin'".
asciilifeform: most of the folx in north a have already mentally relocated to 18th c ru, of sorts. i've not met so many folx dumb enuff to actually believe that they will, e.g., one day own (properly speaking) house, or own carcass for that matter
mircea_popescu: to be there you gotta believe you could be there, and there we go.
mircea_popescu: the proof is in the pudding : if one doesn't believe that could, one couldn't possibly find himself in north america. because... COULD NOT.
asciilifeform: i suspect it is, like 1980s su 'communism'(tm)(r), a state religion, ~nobody actually buys in, errybody makes the token genuflections.
mircea_popescu: and yes, there are. everyone buys it, as the necessary prerequisite of being "in".
asciilifeform: i dun think there are, outside of inpatient nut houses, many folx who actually buy the 'erryone can have errything' item
mircea_popescu: the whole "hundred trillions" in derivatives, and everything else, hang from this "could".
mircea_popescu: yes, but if there's structure there can't be equality. and if there can't be equality, it then follows that ~not everyone could be anything they wanted to~. that could is currently underpinning the whole world economy, as the jesus nut of it all.
asciilifeform: what would it even mean to ask the q, outside of structure.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : to pubescent eyes, sexual congress readily translates to "daddy beating up mommy", as a factual matter. and to similarily infantile minds, what i do to my slavegirls is you know, "abuse" or however they put it.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem, however, is that you absolutely need a structure of authority to "distinguish men from vermin". and the whole http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ is all about hwo the autistic boys don't understand who daddy is.
asciilifeform: it's more or less exactly monsanto-style agriculture, and other blunt tools of 'modern civilizations'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much, technology sufficiently primitive is indistinguishable from lottery
asciilifeform: current situation is suboptimal for all sides -- focus on individual debts, rather than the actual and dire problem of distinguishing men from vermin, leads to where some men nailed at ~random, while vermin win reprieve after reprieve (typically by 'demoocracying' as a blok )
mircea_popescu: old dood "owns" things ? really ?
mircea_popescu: since we're doing classics, consider eugenie grandet, and all the piles balzac especially wrote about control transfer in belle epoque france.
mircea_popescu: why should inept creditors have anything ? money doesn't belong with old farts anymore than it belongs with disused wives, it's just not how money works.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... "There isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. "
asciilifeform: and good chunk of 'demoocracy' and 'progress' consists of the inevitable debtors ganging up to nail creditors.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's eyes, the entire abstraction of creditor-debtor is misconceived.
mircea_popescu: just because "london sunk" doesn't mean 1mn black tards can now pay an extra twenty each.
asciilifeform: was speaking of what sinks the remaining floating rafts.