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diana_coman: it doesn't automatically mean
that; but if it
turns out yes, it's
the client's author
that is left out
to dry, no?
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, putting any sort of depending burden upon
the l1 means it'll mean more
than less. but how much do we want it
to mean in
the first place ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
there is of course
the fact
that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all
that difficult
to get in and out - I don't know whether
this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter
☟︎ phf: well, it's kind of at
the core of
tmsr,
that king lear starts with a folly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly ; in which vein one'd much rather have
the original precious cuntlets
that did it
than
the original symbolix.
mircea_popescu: "oh,
the code belongs
to
the people".
things can't belong
to
things incapable of ownership. which is why
the stars belong
to me, not me
to mother earth or w/e is
the american indian femview.
mircea_popescu: i do not presently believe it is ~possible~
to not
to ; idiotic socialistoidisms aside. and no, i don't
think
the world, or even
the garbage bin, of
the "idealistic" "visionary" nonsense, either.
phf: mircea_popescu:
that was a markov chain comment,
that came out of "we already have proprietary code"
mircea_popescu: phf i do not believe
the bus factor is even remotely important
there.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah,
that helps actually - I
think I'm getting a better idea of what you're aiming at
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I know, I'm just
trying
to figure out what
this would mean
phf: asciilifeform: a side point is
that we have existing proprietary proggies,
that are right now extreme cases of "bus factor". deedbot, phuctor, etc.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
to whatever he wants
to pursue. be it "you fucking assholes" or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't aim, not
to accomplish nor
to anything. but i wrote it down! by numbers! what i imagine
the outcomes
to be.
diana_coman: a decent claim
to being original author of
that code or
to what?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, suppose for a minute
that someone not in l1 etc comes with a reasonably-close copy of one of
those secret-code clients; does
that mean l1 leaked or what?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
this depends. "in general" it's dubious people can keep sexual secrets ; and yet women managed
to keep mine from betas for many many years.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's dubious
that you really can keep source code secret; sure, hurdles help but...
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know whether
this would work well for systems work. but we're starting
this discussion with a ~client~. 99% of people WANT
the binary in
thew first place.
mircea_popescu: thoughts plox! (and i specifically want everyone
to say at least an ack, so let's page asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo danielpbarron diana_coman hanbot lobbes mod6 phf spyked
trinque )
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the evident disadvantage is
that
this only works if we can rely on l1
to keep a secret ; which means
things (such as,
that it can't be as big, for instance).
☟︎ mircea_popescu: 3. very clearly quashes
the idiocy of rms-ism AND ers-ism ("open source" bla bla), and makes
the strong political statement
that indeed
there is a difference between nose breathers and mouthbreathers and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this release paradigm has
the advantages
that 1. permits us
to control binaries, which means stuff like
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834888 (which i'm very much impressed with, btw) ; 2. permits
to reserve some interest for
the author, because
the strategic
thinking over at minigame is
that we'll want client competition (from skinning all
the way
to all
the way) and remuneration by installs (hence all
that hash dance in
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating
the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted
to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news, here's something i want
to put before
the lordship :
diana_coman: asciilifeform, given
the amount of
those around it would seem we are on VERY fertile ground here
mircea_popescu: they may not even have
the packages. might get away with copying something, but...
diana_coman: I guess I'll need
to dig into
the configure script
to figure
this one out if nobody saw it before, huh
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it's not even
that, it's not a location
thing apparently
diana_coman: and for added lol, same configure on current server reports same
there BUT it says zlib is fine, ugh
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, me above lol. "is
there a libgl ? yes. is it located somewhere ? no."
diana_coman: has anyone else run into
this sort of
thing before? checking if pkg-config recognizes zlib... yes; checking for zlib-config... no
mircea_popescu: it was
the lulz of all
time, /me attempted demonstrative "here, you stupid bitch,
this is how computers work" only for
the
thing
to explode, spent day fighting obscura before had build back in working order.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 14:03 diana_coman: oh, and in good news it
turns out
that older version of screen compiles fine on proto-cuntoo, hooray!
a111: Logged on 2015-04-06 08:34 mircea_popescu: "In
this article I am going
to show you how
to create an executable
that runs arbitrary code if it's examined by `ldd`. I have also written a social engineering scenario on how you can get your sysadmin
to unknowingly hand you his privileges."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 18:03 mircea_popescu: oh, and
to piss off
trinque ave1 asciilifeform whoever else : quote last line of ldd --version on
those vintage gccs ? :D
diana_coman: oh, and in good news it
turns out
that older version of screen compiles fine on proto-cuntoo, hooray!
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 19:32 mircea_popescu: check out
this beauty : dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 > dpkg: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 not found. meanwhile $ ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo | grep "libGL" > libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f129e644000)
mircea_popescu: lmao, "diogenes of
the single candle", what gems lie burried in
teh logs!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with
this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as
the woodchipped people.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-13 16:22 mircea_popescu: nice work with
the html parser, how's it going ?
BingoBoingo: And for
the logs
the steaks in question are 402 grams of entrecot, cost of 130 pesos
BingoBoingo: Unlike
the attempt at a maritime adventure,
this effort has
time on its side
BingoBoingo: And
the Uruguayos at
the hostel were all in favor of unifying with Croatia before 2022
BingoBoingo: Cooking steaks for
the Peruana
to celebrate
the end of nationality as a
thing
BingoBoingo: Well, what would
the GNU is gnu/lumix be without gnostic dilemmas?
mircea_popescu: check out
this beauty : dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 > dpkg: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 not found. meanwhile $ ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo | grep "libGL" > libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f129e644000)
☟︎ mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted
the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will
take over in
this role after
the August Statement is published in
the first few days of September. Congrats
to BingoBoingo!
mod6: This is
the current Pizarro BTC balance ^.
mod6: ignore
this ^ some of my previous balance was added into
that.
mod6: Pizarro's bitcoins have been sent
to my deedbot account in
the amount of: 6.21445021 BTC
BingoBoingo: <trinque> some of
this work won't have
to be done completely ab initio;
there are musltronic distros out
there
that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example. <<As far as I can
tell Alpine is a musl build of gentoo, comparatively clean. Void on
the other hand is more like a
tampon. Bloody inside and out
mircea_popescu: oh, and
to piss off
trinque ave1 asciilifeform whoever else : quote last line of ldd --version on
those vintage gccs ? :D
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in carlin's own words, "that
tends
to hold
them for about half an hour."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in
the amusement files, MistressCrow20 20F Mistress 29m "How about YOU drop everything and kiss
the ground in front of my feet? Im not kidding at all." LordMPofTMSR "No, because you're female."
mircea_popescu: also imported by reference, all
the "oh, we're moving
to webkit, it's so great and good and btw folks,
totally A
TECHNICAL DECISION OK!!!"
then google drops webkit moves on
to
their in-house shitpile, oprea "dev"
team is like... o yeah
totally!
mircea_popescu: imo
that's
the correct cut here : not "oh, is it
the 1995 safari-clone by nowegians" but "oh, is it
the
thing before or after google gutted it"