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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, that i admit.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i mean it already does this lol. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: i just dunno what you're saying starting 8 lines ago. "<asciilifeform> it could if you were both sybils today."
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's actually "nothing to all comers" guaranteedly, you can't break this even if you want to.
asciilifeform: there are several ways to cut this knot, but thus far i am not satisfied with any
asciilifeform: i fully grasp what mircea_popescu wants to accomplish here, but it does not work with his stated mechanism.
mircea_popescu: so i signed nothing and yet IT (and only it) could know it was me. this is important.
mircea_popescu: i'll just continue using my current system, because such a gossipd would be an outrageous degradation of everything.
asciilifeform: i did draw this picture once, mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: certainly it is not contemplated here thatg anyone would be forced to run v to get gossipd. heck, i don't even believe such "forcing" would be in principle possible.
asciilifeform: not, i must add, as i proggy, but as system.
asciilifeform: i did propose that it might ALL come together in the end.
asciilifeform: i've he panel wall, recall.
asciilifeform: though i have at least one in front of me at all times
mircea_popescu: you don't live in emacs i take it ?
mircea_popescu: "who are you ?" "i am my V and .sig machine" is a perfectly fine response.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/rK7hA << speaking of history and taleb, his latest aphorism. i can dig it. (for non-link-clickers : read more ancient history of private lives)
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: I have not seen mats.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537529 << and how would mr. "i'd love to wank off but the gurlz would be too angry" know this exaclty ? little birdie whispered in his ear ? :p ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:40 asciilifeform: 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
pete_dushenski: obviously, "i told you so" and $5 will buy you coffee. and that it used to be $2 for coffee is neither here nor there.
pete_dushenski: re: taleb, it's also worth noting that way back in 2014 i was ~the sole voice saying that camgirl vids weren't going to turn his crank and bring him here, in the face of "oh but he's still a dude, pete" opposition, no less. whereas alf regularly gets to say "i told you so" whenever another flaw in the shitstack of personal computing is revealed, or mp whenever another usg muppet hoists himself on his own
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:14 PeterL: speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me think of you (though I expect you would read it in the original Italian?)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i shall leave you with http://67.media.tumblr.com/d8015f0fb3262cd6466ba75c2a376949/tumblr_o9jf3wT0YF1vyji3fo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dun think the one button push got cancelled.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not bikeshedding when i actually use it.
trinque: now I did it
trinque: I use sync in my instructions for logbot
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:17 mod6: i'll see where i can get to with this new idea. however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`.
asciilifeform: i dun need 1300 pg of laser paper anywhere. except possibly at my peine forte et dure !
phf: ah, i see. "bible paper vs laserpaper"
phf: why is that? i've never tried
phf: asciilifeform: i'm sure you've seen this version http://glyf.org/tmp/CL-ANSI.pdf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think boolcrap and i knew that chick in meatspace.
asciilifeform: i want the thing printed on archival paper and bound in motherfucking human leather.
phf: i have an ansi copy, it's a piece of shit though
asciilifeform: *before i could
asciilifeform: some dude got to naggum's death library copy just before i did...
asciilifeform: phf: hilariously, i've been trying to buy the dead tree for eons
phf: fwiw dpans has a copy of tex source, first or second to last draft before the standard was sent over to ansi. there's two projects that cleanup that tex, one is dpans2texi which produces texinfo formatted (this is what i use from emacs) and another by some russians that produces a clean pdf with hyperlinks
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 21:44 gabriel_laddel: I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537758 << i never understood why the thing was published as html and not as a sexpr thing that gets htmlificated when you like ☝︎
mod6: thanks Gentlemen. I'll keep polishing here. more to come, I'm sure.
mircea_popescu: so i'd say sounds good, mod6
mod6: for you and I, this is routine.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean. << ah, ok yeah one ~might~ be able to do that. not an expert on make tho.
mircea_popescu: " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean.
asciilifeform: boolcrap: i bet it was her.
asciilifeform: boolcrap: because i think she does.
mod6: i'll see where i can get to with this new idea. however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`. ☟︎
mod6: i could go on here.. but let's just say i didn't think it all the way through.
mod6: yeah, after discussing with myself in here mainly, i'm not in love with that solution either.
mircea_popescu: yes i know
mod6: anyway, i might be able to get it so that you press the tree, including the makefiles, and then just build.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ? << yeah, which wont do. after my monologue earlier, I have a hunch that I might be able to get it down to a single press.
mircea_popescu: this isn't quite right as i understand it.
asciilifeform: i.e. manual.
asciilifeform: i admit that the thing where v is invoked from inside a make always bothered me.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:59:57] <mod6> Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
mod6: i've got: 72.83.9.184 listed on the foundation site. is it back up now with different ip alf?
mircea_popescu: i had 72.83.9.196
mod6: Actually, I forgot, trinque already did that part. Makefile.rotor exists.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 00:28 mod6: oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that. to an extent anyway.
mod6: the two .sh scripts you have in there can be integrated into the makefiles directly i think. however, we'll still need the openssl-004-musl-termios.patch and rotor_buildroot_dot_config
mod6: oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that. to an extent anyway. ☟︎
mod6: I can't make heads or tails out out of what you're saying there asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537788 << at one time rotor was not the only builder, and so i cut'em off ☝︎
mod6: Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
mod6: I think that keeping the Makefiles as a separate V tree would keep things a lot more clean.
mod6: Anyway, I bring this up because if we're determined to stick with this plan; the Makefiles included with the bitcoin source, then there is another ball of wax that needs to be discussed.
mod6: We discussed this, it was Mr. P.'s hunch that these should belong together (I hope I'm remembering this correctly), and I saw the wisdom in that.
gabriel_laddel: O right, that's why I dropped in here the other day.
trinque: heh! I'd be careful with that, masamune-san!
gabriel_laddel: iirc it was pretty clear that mod6 needs to read loper-os, but what do I know.
trinque: ah not in that case though. mod6 has perfectly legitimate interest there, and so do I.
gabriel_laddel: I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
Framedragger: i know right?
Framedragger: from a friend mentioning release of iphone 7 and seeing this pic http://i.imgur.com/SAkZ0C4.jpg i just realized that apple didn't put a fucking 3.5mm jack into their newest shit"phone". srsly.
Framedragger: it did, it did! but i feel i may be wasting people's time by asking to look into half-baked ideas
Framedragger: but i have to stop presenting ideas i do not really believe in myself. i guess i thought it may garner some useful feedback tho.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger meanwhile i figured out that if im careful to never use it, it won'\t mostly pop in again
asciilifeform: ( incidentally : for some reason nobody mentions the basic reason why savages drop like flies even from relatively mild epidemic: no slack in the gears! i.e. if no one gets out of bed for 2 weeks, EVERYONE starves )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not prepared to go into microbiological details of smallpox. but even admitting vaccine saved 10, heck, 20% of the population. then what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i skipped (well, quit ~2 wks in) crypto class in school.
asciilifeform: i find this particular mental block quite interesting
asciilifeform: i know of ZERO exceptions to 'hey dudebroz, i built rng!111 and here's how i whitened, because MUST...'
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [17:40:27] <asciilifeform> 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
mircea_popescu: Framedragger did i misread or did you say it's not doing this anymoar ?
shinohai: I suppose ouput such as this is designed to get more $$$ in defense spending or somesuch
shinohai: <asciilifeform> i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer. <<< kek
asciilifeform: i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer.
Framedragger: oh yeah. i'm there for the lulzy headlines. but you're right asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: such alternative! i suppose next we call idiots something else also.
asciilifeform: i do not believe that it was a natural occurrence.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i should prolly have said mole, but a well.
asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu as ww1 officer. green cloud rolls over trench, grunts coughing out their lungs, 'stop being obnoxious bitchez!111'
mircea_popescu: how do i enter into it again ?
asciilifeform: ya ya all these earthlings are idiots and only on this dirigible i'm d'artagnan ok.