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jurov: on second thought ... oops i inadvertently supported my point by leaking s3cr3t trilema email :( feel free to censor it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm not using a rss-tron anymore ; bots ruined me for it.
jurov: i found whole discussion too funny, had to throw some 2c in on trilema
trinque: I can just throw it in the RSS list
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of this : any chance one of the bot masters wants to add a "subscribe to comments" option ? whereby i go !~subscribe http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/ and it pings me whenever there's new ones ?
mircea_popescu: "i can't find my hands."
mircea_popescu: "kyle go clean your room this instant!" "sorry mom, i... i... i malloc'd my hands and i think there were some double free's in there or something!"
asciilifeform: just that i only have 2handz.
mircea_popescu: did i drop the "prionic" alt-explanation in log or no ? i... can't recall ?
ben_vulpes: i did eventually run the citation down, 'twas some less than thirty old men with beginning signs of alzheimers who realized they all had vasectomies
ben_vulpes: heh i actually remember when it was! 'diamond age' has a great gag where the poors with shitty ocular implants have to suffer viral ads all day and go insane
ben_vulpes: jurov: myeah i gave up on the cyberpunk dream of technology in my body a loooong time ago.
mircea_popescu: from what i've seen, the porous stuff and the porous stuff only clogs.
mircea_popescu: btw jurov mind protesting the heteronormative pronz a little bit, i need something to counterbalance alf!
trinque: mircea_popescu: hey that has a handle you can pull, or so I gather
mircea_popescu: hopefully b v gets daughters, they get to be 16, call weekly "dad... i'm in jail... because i'm pregnant..."
ben_vulpes: i wonder if you can get a bulk discount for getting your kids out of us.jail?
asciilifeform: eh i am wooden inside, bad pr0nz dun do much.
mircea_popescu: instead of pings, i shall now proceed to pronz. like so : http://67.media.tumblr.com/63e35b70e89db0293762942aa35cf992/tumblr_n06ukj9LrE1ruyp7wo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (there was a cold snap, and that place drew just about 19 amps consistently for days, i'm pretty sure)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had them replaced them with sane items, so they cut power, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, did the breaker blow ?
mod6: i don't know for sure. maybe "hand full of blackcats" or something. small firecrackers.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'd expect some missing flesh then, neh ?
asciilifeform: and if i can describe (and i can) how the scheme can be broken WITHOUT breaking the cipher, then the cipher is decorative.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's favorite rhetorical device is 'this is not relevant.' hey, it's the man's own blog, who am i to say that he has to consider my observations relevant. but this nonsense won't keep rainwater out of a tent, much less ft meade.
mircea_popescu: anyways, i shall bbl!
asciilifeform: and came to conclusion that there is a massive hole in the scheme sketched out in subj link, that i can drive a maersk cargo liner through.
asciilifeform: i did.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118911 << ok i warn, this is long.
Framedragger: " 'how long node a and b have been in communion'" - right, that i can understand, that it's not good
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tho am not sure if it's necessarily bad, to leak incremental nonces. i mean, i know you don't want to leak one single useful bit to da enemy; i don't know if it's a practical constraint, even if it is laudible.
Framedragger: actually, nm. if you don't want to leak incremental info of this kind, i guess it does become more difficult
Framedragger: i am oversimplifying, i guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'ma be answering throughout teh day!
mod6: i apparently need to read your blog more, at least, on the specifics of lisp-cpu via verilog & fpga
mod6: i'll work on that.
mod6: i'll have to reread all of this stuff; i have difficulty with a mental model of this. but i do follow the detail points.
mod6: i follow.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538451 << it's good you acknowledge that, 'cause very time i want to point out "where's your $spec for $x guyz" i feel kinda shit 'cause i should do more, myself. which is a point. and yet the scandalocity remains! ☝︎
mod6: i better reread all of this stuff :/
mod6: right. i think this whole topic is totally over my head these days.
mod6: and i suppose this makes it easier to swap out the station key and retain the royal key.
asciilifeform: what i've referred to as 'station key' is simply a nonspoofable substitute for the ip address.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 14:51 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
asciilifeform: ( and if i were satisfied that the problems are even ~separable~, i would not call them problems )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538426 << phf has own, and i have, and possibly other folks. but there remain unsolved problems. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529651 << ~tcp~ is evil, and i will kill it with my own hands. at least in the sense where i killed, e.g., git.
mircea_popescu: (i just wrote that lol)
mod6: more than anything, i just want to be able to contribue a bit better to these gossipd discussions - which will be a vital part of the infrastructure.
mod6: i'd have to dig it up, but i thought there was a trilema that outlined the 'spec' back a while ago.
shinohai: I take it your female java shadow isn't there?
mod6: but, maybe the first step, to recognize Framedragger, is to update the spec. there has been much discussion about this, and maybe I'm having a hard time keeping all of the details in my head.
mod6: i don't want to disagree with what I just said here: <+mod6> a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts to prototype gossipd out.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key? ☟︎
mod6: i need more coffee.
shinohai: I agree with trinque tho that V has a place in /usr/bin/local of the future
mod6: yeah, forgot about that. anyway, i appreciate interesting ideas.
mod6: and mine can be used, 100% in the same way. im not even sure that i fully agree that mine should do what it does. you and I both, seperately have wrestled with this thought.
PeterL: I feel like BingoBoingo has not posted anything in a while ...
asciilifeform: so i have monumentally nfi.
asciilifeform: dunno, when folks post pr0nz i generally picture that it exemplifies what gets them going. or at least isnt wholly unappetizing. then again we also have BingoBoingo's material.
mircea_popescu: though i suppose it should be a bunch of tiny azn dicks rather than one big one... hm...
mircea_popescu: how is it my kink ? i'm not the one living on the planet without copper deposits!
mircea_popescu: in related news http://67.media.tumblr.com/12d82141a575dd183610da2c61886cf4/tumblr_njgwd4kuzi1scqgdto5_1280.jpg ; or i suppose http://66.media.tumblr.com/6f7147815385acbf1003d4029965f442/tumblr_njgwd4kuzi1scqgdto4_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: i did say.
asciilifeform: 'Lastly, it must be noted that there hasn't been any significant amount of these specimens on the market in approximately 25 years, and they are often only found in old collections. Recently I was informed that a Korean mining company has started a large commercial operation at Corocoro, specifically mining for Copper, leaving little possibility that more of these specimens will available in the future, or at least until the mining op
thestringpuller: Framedragger: just use apple's bluetooth earwaxphones << Glad I'm not the only one who discovered despite who clean I try to keep the headphones. Earwax gunks up into the metal screens and inevitably fucks up the sound.
asciilifeform: i thought only elemental cocaine comes out of the ground there!
Framedragger: good perspective, i guess
asciilifeform: i.e. connectionless passing of data.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's what i'm worried about, you may have to burn IP, too. and i'm all up for mesh networks and post nuclear radio, but kinda sucks that the whole internet backbone may be incompatible with proper gossipd, gotta admit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also i must sadly point out that aluminum wire is a forced mistake -- copper price.
asciilifeform: i was trying just the other week to buy for my cnc motors.
asciilifeform: and i mist dispute that 'others got right'. the ~correct~ wire for an item like this is ~coiled~ like old telephone cord. and is afaik available nowhere.
mircea_popescu: i never contested apple's a fucking zoo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will inform you with great joy that apple power adapters die in this identical manner.
mircea_popescu: i expect poor insulation.
asciilifeform: should i give it away, or did he already find the key that opens this chest.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538218 << btw i can tell from mircea_popescu's photo why it exploded. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i always wondered
Framedragger: true that. goes the extra way to fuck women, metamorphosis and all, so i'll give him that tho
Framedragger: and gossipd without any auth whatsoever wouldn't really be that? in all honesty, i should reread the spec, which is probably outdated, and log search sucks, fml
mircea_popescu: i dunno when or why the prevailing notion of "software" and "technology", at least in english and its dominions, became "it is for to make ordinary people (ie, rank imbeciles) like gods!"
Framedragger: besides, they'd get confused themselves, what with deliberately no message authenticity; and we shall have a good time. am i stretching here?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: how about i (an nsa employee, say) just make a filter which grabs all observed gossipd traffic (packet timing or w/e, and if it's an actually new transmission protocol, then supreme joy is me) and send it for further analysis. i shall assume that while it's not certain which messages are legit and which are not, the offending t3rr0rist group is too lazy to transmit proper false positives to provide noise,
Framedragger: yes this is lulzy and a disservice and i agree the reputation is not insanely great.., so to speak.
Framedragger: maybe. and i agree that without prototype difficult to talk of this anyway
Framedragger: i think i actually remember it
Framedragger: (i am aware that proper gossipd doesn't have to run over internet)
asciilifeform: much of what i've been doing in the mathematics room for past year has been to try to give this frying pan a handle.
mircea_popescu: in short, i oppose the socially destructuring, anti elitist and equalitarian nature of signatures.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i'm against signatures or anything of the sort. it's just that i understand their domain. an item is signed when the auctorial intention is "for this to stand now and forever to any and all who may come".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dunno, it's pretty nebulous
Framedragger: semi-orthogonal (but not too orthogonal): ditching the conceptual level for a second and thinking about mundane reality, would a new transport layer even *work* given current internet infrastructure? there are problems with ICMP traffic on some ISPs (sure, ISPs should die anyway, and esp. those i hear you say.) this can be tested to some extent, hm.
mircea_popescu: that i don't intend to sign anything.
asciilifeform: i admit that i always liked that part.
asciilifeform: this digression is unfortunately needed. because it exposes the point i was making earlier.
asciilifeform: i dun expect other folks to do my work in my place, no.
Framedragger: then the argument does admittedly slide a little: yes okay, this is great that it can't be DoS'd that easily when the time comes; and yet it still has to parse multiple packets before it determines that hey, i don't know this fingerprint.