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shinohai: Will try offline build today when I get a bit more organized
covertress: thank you, mircea_popescu. as you can see, i'm having connectivity problems today with my hurricane-damaged isp.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 12:43 shinohai: I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches
shinohai: I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches ☟︎
shinohai: Our beloved fleanode has been cranky I see
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/09/why-i-work-out/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Why I work out.
mircea_popescu: not right now ; i'm about to go to bed. but prolly tomorrow ; and besides there's other people who want to hire noobs, so ask in chan
vinimore: is there anything else I can do?
vinimore: it says I'm the only user hahaha
vinimore: wait... how do I go to the chat again?
mircea_popescu: i think so
asciilifeform: i only found out late in life that it was actually a 'book code' copyprotection thing.
mircea_popescu: i think i even have trhqat pic
thestringpuller: ^- i remember if you gae them cash they'd strip
mircea_popescu: oh ? did i miss out ?
asciilifeform: i want the blue velvety nazi panels from 'wolfenstein'.
mircea_popescu: i wanted it from before doom!
trinque: I'm just gonna end every statement I make with "and there will be sluts"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, take that modern science of materials : i want velvety marble. always wanted it.
mircea_popescu: and i suppose if the ulterior point here is that of those supposed 100mn txn or w/e, 90% are just there to be there ; it has some legs to stqand on.
thestringpuller: the point i'm making is the payment industry WANTS to bloat payments. they prefer 12 payments to 1 payment
trinque: "I have decided how the world works and will now run around picking phenomena from it as fits my narrative."
mircea_popescu: trinque if paper counts then we got a problem because i suspect it makes txn uncountable.
mircea_popescu: you know i used no credit cards this year ?
trinque: thestringpuller: I was establishing some ways to measure the current throughput of the world's financial system, not crediting any particular entity with this throughput.
asciilifeform: i only have objection to the latter.
asciilifeform: i never got the 'old coin' thing.
trinque: I might even lose it all and close shop, and then no gym for you
trinque: and before that, oh my god, I'm holding your money
asciilifeform: i don't do ritualistic epidemiology.
asciilifeform: i also do not care what the other one licked if i actually grasp subj. e.g., i don't give a fuck that it produced ada.
mircea_popescu: a right, i forgot teh splitting.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:03 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538962 << the way this knot is cut is that there are 2 usg, the one that delivers my mail every couplea weeks to the house across the street, and the other one. and i don't give a flying fuck what the dumb one licked. ☝︎
thestringpuller: although most CC tx's go through first data i don't thin they process them all
mircea_popescu: did i just not type all that ?
asciilifeform: trinque: what aspect, again, am i failing to understand ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:20 mircea_popescu: this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539002 << i must point out that this is a strictly temporary situation. miners have ZERO incentive to mine 'old coinbase tx' for 0fee. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: deedbot is intended to have a wallet so i can deposit a whole btc with it and then pay it a little bit whenever rather than have to send multiple transactions. THIS particular aspect of "microtransactions" is rather opposite to the common conception thereof.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what aspect do you suggest i failed to understand ?
asciilifeform: if i wanted to pay 50% fee, i'd go to western motherfucking union.
asciilifeform: just like i won't buy an engine with 1% coefficient of useful work.
asciilifeform: trinque: i can say when a deal is a bum deal and i won't take.
mircea_popescu: this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but to revisit subj, i suggest that 'micro' roughly would be any payment where the coefficient of fee / payload is in the neighbourhood of (or even above!) 1.0.
thestringpuller: i see this as a deframentation problem than anythin (hence why i also consolidate inputs in an address before they become dust)
asciilifeform: i propose that 'micro' is any payment where the tx fee is within an order of magnitude of the payload.
mircea_popescu: in any case, just think how cool it'd have been if i could have paid all these eulora noobs getting bitcents via bot directly.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the whole point is that if i want to pay deedbot 100 satoshi for whatever, i'd rather have this as an offchain txn than as a blockchain spam tx
thestringpuller: there's a reason I don't pay for my groceries in pennies...
thestringpuller: !~later tell tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
mircea_popescu: you'd expect he'd be unable to get out of bed. i guess there's missing ingredients in the formula.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose humani nihil a respublica puto.
trinque: I even said once "so then build Visa on bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: sure ; but i don't think trinque was proposing the purpose of bitcoin is micropayments.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 02:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don't understand this" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538943 << didn't the 'cup of coffee' thread happen long before i showed up even ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don't understand this" ? ☟︎
shinohai: Oh wait, that's the guy that got phished and scammed out of like 1.8 million I think.
shinohai: I wonder what are the Bitpay people on schedule for, gonna give a speech on how to get hacked?
shinohai: I have no interest in that shit
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#56 << what, so i'd be the only bitcoiner there ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-10: [02:01:24] <asciilifeform> i dun get it.
asciilifeform: i suppose we can ask him when he next crosses orbit with us.
asciilifeform: i was wondering if he has actual reservations.
mod6: well, i don't wanna speak for ben_vulpes, but iirc he's read most of them if not all; maybe just didn't get around to signing for lack of time because of baby, and running company.
asciilifeform: trinque: i promise to read.
trinque: did you see what I wrote above about it?
trinque: I'm saying it is a robot handling money
asciilifeform: i'll gladly take turn filling it.
asciilifeform: i like ben_vulpes but he has not been catching mice. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun get it.
asciilifeform: phf: i have one for upnp removal but it is pre-v
phf: asciilifeform: i don't have any vulpes sigs either..
asciilifeform: 'oops i meant - 'down' not 'drown' !'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 00:06 mircea_popescu: it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn he wrote >=1
shinohai: no trinque that's why I abandoned it, it was just garbage, I thought I'd be better off to start from scratch.
trinque: more redundancy the better. these facilities end up being what's available on a particular gossipd node, as I see it
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque. ☟︎
shinohai: What were specs for a bot wallet anyway? There was a cruddy one written by gribble's author I started to hook to trb one time but never finished
thestringpuller: oh man i forgot to put my homage to the dreamcast up before 9/9 ended.
mircea_popescu: trinque if / when you implement the wallet thing you can even charge for this. i'd pay!
mircea_popescu: there was something else but now i forget wtf
trinque: inb4 oh shit I gotta add threads to the rssatron nao
vinimore: okay, I'm creating my char
trinque: I hate when it puts a space in front too
vinimore: what do I do now?
phf: i see
phf: well, i think that a111 has only one responsibility, and that's searching though log, whatever else is added is superfluous, but $s's been internalized by, among other people, asciilifeform. i'd rather not see "$s ... ??? ffs!"
phf: can i nuke all control sequences and have $s exclusively as an equivalent two character operation?
phf: i see
phf: mircea_popescu: so you're saying i should change $s too?
vinimore: Shinohai! you're the guy that I'm looking for!
jhvh1: thestringpuller: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <shinohai> "geez Mircea, I have never seen such smooth, polished cufflinks. What's your secret?"
vinimore: hi, I found a post in a blog about Eulora
shinohai: "geez Mircea, I have never seen such smooth, polished cufflinks. What's your secret?"