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mircea_popescu: heh. bs. tyvm, i'm done reading that crap.
mircea_popescu: " It's impossible to completely avoid connecting the computer to the Internet"
mircea_popescu: "The advice I shared included using Tor" for the record, that particular tidbit has most people involved in compsec scratching their heads at schneier.
pankkake: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html this could be of interest to S.NSA :)
mircea_popescu: “You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest” << teh us improves every day lol
mircea_popescu: i dropped the link as a response to your blog comment,
bgupta: mircea_popescu: discussed previously? In IRC or elsewhere? (My issue with current implementations, is the key lengths they support are too short, but the latest version of the spec seems to address that)
mircea_popescu: pankkake now that's suspicious. u 100% sure ?
mircea_popescu: as prev discussed, those things are mostly a teaching tool. the same reason you don't race cars made out of legos, you don't use the openpgp smartcard for actual security.
mircea_popescu: bgupta because one of those is not particularly designed to resist attack.
pankkake: one of my addresses is on https://bitfunder.com/assetlist though I never bought anything from bf
bgupta: Only issue I see with opengpg/gpg smartcards is that although the latest spec supports 4096bit keys, the current shipping devices don't..
bgupta: so been reading about S.NSA's first product. Why not just install suitable GPG subkeys on one of these? http://www.g10code.de/docs/openpgp-card-2.0.pdf (And keep your master key airgapped in a safe place)
kakobrekla: elden comes out of the hole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309270.0
kakobrekla: distribute to #bitcoin-assets shareholders n stuff
kakobrekla: ill take it!
turbo_ac100: "PAID BAN: duetschpire has chatbanned fireinyourhole for 50 minutes and given everyone some fees. They typed /payban fireinyourhole 0.1"
kakobrekla: i think i know what 'era' stands for
ThickAsThieves: better than xbond!
kakobrekla: if id be a part of bitcoinera and got new capital to invest from others, id invest it in bitcoinera, seems like a sweet deal
MTBmanTT: yea that part bothered me
ThickAsThieves: and they figure the best way is to steal it
turbo_ac100: Each one of us already has positive cash flow, but to get things done faster and for being able to execute larger trades we could use some extra capital."
turbo_ac100: "Our team consists of major players in the bitcoin economy, some of the biggest localbitcoins.com traders, investors, gambling site operators and more.
kakobrekla: better to put your coins to bitbet cold storage
MTBmanTT: alright, I got one more for everyone and ill shush- has anyone heard of these guys, and if they're legit or not: https://bitcoinera.net/
MTBmanTT: hmm, definitely is interesting, id have to search around on how to do that
kakobrekla: and make a big tx to yourself with all that change
jurov: and if it's small tx that collects many unspent outputs together, then fees can be painful
jurov: if it's big then actually you don't need fees anyway
kakobrekla: you pay fee for small tx [small in btc ammt]
MTBmanTT: makes sense on your end, I would too
MTBmanTT: hmm, dont we pay a tx fee if the tx is over a certain amount anyway?
jurov: somehow i figured how to make feeless tx to myself and then wait almost day for it to clear
jurov: i had fun when i accumulated dust from faucets (although then they paid ~0.001/day) and realized i can't spend it without exorbitant tx fees
jig: privmsg kakobrekla i'll share the love.
MTBmanTT: @jurov Can you elaborate a little, do mean from like an inputs.io addy to your main? or the fees for the base payout from the faucet itself?
jurov: faucets can be good to explore transaction fees ;)
MTBmanTT: yea they seem pretty low lol
MTBmanTT: It really seems to me that the only way for a new guy to get started is... exchanges/share buying, faucets, and buying btc locally.. mining just seems like an endless burden :\
kakobrekla: sorry, was ment for MTBmanTT specifically but ok you can have it too jig
kakobrekla: welcome to ASSets
MTBmanTT: @_@ so much btc crap to read
ThickAsThieves: gsj, transfers to US users are blocked
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user gsj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=gsj | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gsj | Rated since: never
gsj: can anyone on bitfunder buy some shares for me and transfer to my acct? I will offer 5 %
mircea_popescu: i think so.
jurov: isn't it wonderful such a thing (airgapped mpex acct) is fully feasible?
CopperWireBeard: stay away from the amazing labcoin for now - not that you could buy shares anyway
MTBmanTT: sweet, thank you
mircea_popescu: that's an old article. in general your best bet is to lurk here and see what people say.
gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline>; BitCoin Drama Continues After Hours | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-10/bitcoin-drama-continues-after-hours>; Bitcoin bubble burst? Currency suffers dramatic correction | Internet ...: <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57578985-93/bitcoin- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin drama timeline
MTBmanTT: is there a site, or link somewhere I can go to,and read up on how a newbie like me doesnt get taken to the cleaners? Some of these scam "companies" are convincing at times- wondering if somene made a post about it
MTBmanTT: lol true that
MTBmanTT: would it be ok, if I were to ask some stupid n00b questions?
mircea_popescu: here's a trilemma for y'all : either monucleosis or bisexuality.
jcpham: better than a quadlema
kakobrekla: i didnt have teh niggers in mind really
ThickAsThieves: 99 problems and a trilema aint one
kakobrekla: is there such thing as nilema?
jcpham: that's terrible luck
mircea_popescu: it's when you have three choices but just one m.
jcpham: is that when you have three choices
jcpham: what the hell is a trilema anyways
jcpham: maybe even elctro-shock therapy
jcpham: this trilema dude needs his head examined
MTBmanTT: ah, no shortage of them!
MTBmanTT: i appreciate the help btw :)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo jborkl_ by the way, someone should make a complete history of labcoin. like a post-mortem. all those juicy quotes in the forum and whatnot... splendid story for the future generations.
MTBmanTT: who is this guy/ site "trilema" Ive come across it once before when reading an article on "solarwind"
MTBmanTT: like browser cookie, or go down the street n buy a snack while im reading a while?
ThickAsThieves: youll end up needing to pay for a cookie
MTBmanTT: ty, ill start with that link
mircea_popescu: but you may want to start by reading the chan log
ThickAsThieves: some other tags too
ThickAsThieves: under the mpex and bitcoin tags
mircea_popescu: that link is only relevant in the context of a previous discussion we were having, re some other blown exchange.
ThickAsThieves: but there is a lot on trilema worth reading
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT you have about siox month's worth of reading to get up to speed.
mircea_popescu: im like ya totally, first we build an oil press in the garage...
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, i taught this girl to cook. she loves the power this gives her, so she tries to cook everything now. so for instance can't find halva ? "maybe i'll try cooking some!"
MTBmanTT: reading that link should bring me up to speed here?
ThickAsThieves: is this the one where nefario is on trial for closing?
mircea_popescu: aw fduck it, just read the transcript. http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/
mircea_popescu: [17:56:39] shareholder3_ agree with da2ce7, its a different, larger market the new GLBSE would operate in
mircea_popescu: that thing is the total lolz.
ThickAsThieves: as if they had a stake
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder2 really? satoshidice and bitvps look pretty legit to me
ThickAsThieves: i like how they say "our" too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is true.
mircea_popescu: thus therefore the value of bitcoin comes from there being bitcoin atms and the worst thing that can happen is someone "reporting you for child porn"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the internet kidz have issues in that they imagine the world is congruent with their perception of the world.
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder1 mpex will be classified as money launderers and terrorists
ThickAsThieves: s.cp was a thing?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, in case that was before your time, "[17:05:52] shareholder3_ midterm this will win against MPEX and others as they will get shut down soon too"
MTBmanTT: Hello everyone, new to the scene, here to watch n learn :)
jcpham: still digging up troll gold on the forums i see
mircea_popescu: swimming, making good tuna steak, etc.
mircea_popescu: ya well... the tuna i had for breakfast also spanked me sumariliy in all things that matter.